Limiting size of posts in NGs
~*Laughingstar*~
Kb?? One of the NGs I co-moderate sent this out (we're trying to help users
know how to limit size if they use OE):
"Effective immediately the new size limit for any post is 500 Kb. All
newsreaders add almost 40% to the original file size when posted (either
embedded or attached). Consequently a 360Kb post will post as 493 Kb.
Anything larger than 500 Kb will be rejected."
Thank you - again.
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(Oscar Levant)."
Peter Foldes
to posting under 500kb. If you really need to then post separate posts
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"~*Laughingstar*~" <tired...@nospam.att.com> wrote in message
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Michael Santovec
a larger message into multiple posts. And I'm guessing that's not what
you want to encourage since its purpose is to get around size limits.
I'm not aware of any new reader that would limit the size of posts.
That's left up to the news server to reject posts.
Your notice to users is inaccurate unless the newsgroup is solely used
for file sharing (attachments). The 40% overhear applies to
attachments. It does not apply to the message text.
On the other hand, is a user posts in HTML, the message will typically
be about 3 times the size of a plain text message. This doesn't count
any attachments. The attachment size is the same whether plain text or
HTML
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"~*Laughingstar*~" <tired...@nospam.att.com> wrote in message
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~*Laughingstar*~
>> That was introduced by the annexcafe newsgroups. Very simple answer.
>> Limit yourself to posting under 500kb. If you really need to then
>> post separate posts
>>
~*Laughingstar*~
>> The only option in OE would be the break apart option which would
>> break a larger message into multiple posts. And I'm guessing that's
>> not what you want to encourage since its purpose is to get around
>> size limits.
Correct
>>
>> I'm not aware of any new reader that would limit the size of posts.
>> That's left up to the news server to reject posts.
>>
Thank you. I checked OE but then again thought I may have missed something
in the settings. ;-))
>> Your notice to users is inaccurate unless the newsgroup is solely
>> used for file sharing (attachments). The 40% overhear applies to
>> attachments. It does not apply to the message text.
Precisely what we all thought - iinteresting that they want to enforce this
and not extremist content in some groups :0(
>>
>> On the other hand, is a user posts in HTML, the message will
>> typically be about 3 times the size of a plain text message. This
>> doesn't count any attachments. The attachment size is the same
>> whether plain text or HTML
Absolutely - in fact, as a co-mod I'll give another nudge in that direction.
those posting photos for example.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mike - http://TechHelp.Santovec.us
>>
>>
Thank you, Mike - so much. You're always a big help.
VanguardLH
> Is there any way to limit size of posts in NGs to 500 Kb??
Sure. Configure your NNTP server to limit the size of a submission (and to
reject it at the time of the submission and not afterward so the sender gets
*immediate* notification in their NNTP client of the rejection).
Based on your past posts, you are NOT the co-moderator of a newsgroup. You
might be a moderator of a *forum*. So you have a leech site that pretends
to have forums by usurping the Usenet to make the forum's community look
larger. So how are you going to enforce anyone in Usenet to comply with the
rules of your forum?
> One of the NGs I co-moderate sent this out (we're trying to help users
> know how to limit size if they use OE):
>
> "Effective immediately the new size limit for any post is 500 Kb. All
> newsreaders add almost 40% to the original file size when posted (either
> embedded or attached). Consequently a 360Kb post will post as 493 Kb.
Only true if HTML posts are accepted. If it were a plain-text post then the
size of the post would be exactly the size of the text in the body plus the
bytes for the headers (of which many are added by the server so the user has
no control over its size).
> Anything larger than 500 Kb will be rejected."
That would have to be implemented at the NNTP server. Your NNTP server
would have to issue a rejection along with a text comment explaining the
rejection.
If attachments aren't allowed then why are these posts getting so huge? A
typical post is under 5-15KB in size. Something around 500KB means the
users are NOT properly trimming the quoted posts to provide only sufficient
context as is needed for a reader to understand the thread so far and
provide context for the reply. Trimming and re-ordering the quoted posts
(to the same top- or bottom-posting style of the respondent) is the
respondent's responsibility. Just because a poster is lazy in top-posting
and leaving every byte of prior quoted posts intact is their fault.
Trimming should not only be expected by demanding (by reprimanding the
offender).
@nomail.afraid.org FromTheRafters
> Happy New Year all - Is there any way to limit size of posts in NGs to
> 500
> Kb?? One of the NGs I co-moderate sent this out (we're trying to help
> users
> know how to limit size if they use OE):
>
> "Effective immediately the new size limit for any post is 500 Kb. All
> newsreaders add almost 40% to the original file size when posted
> (either
> embedded or attached). Consequently a 360Kb post will post as 493 Kb.
> Anything larger than 500 Kb will be rejected."
>
> Thank you - again.
Tools - Accounts - Properties - Advanced - Break apart messages.
Probably not what you wanted though because anything over the limit will
be included in the next article (post).
Peter Foldes
The news server is annexcafe and in some groups they allow Stationary,music
background and attachments which are mostly *.bmp . Now it is not very hard to reach
that high limit there.
Also she is not the moderator of the newsgroup but a forum moderator as you posted.
As far as this issue is concerned she should get in touch with Gregory Gooden the
owner of the server or one of the sysrops and bring it up with them.
This is not the arena to discuss another newserver and their rules. She will be
pissed off at me but the above is the fact
This newsgroup is for Outlook Express issues and not for news server rules
especially when it is not concerning this ms news server
There are quite a few MS MVP's on that server and they are fully in line about
understanding the issue that Laughingstar posted here
Aside from that she could have asked in the U2U group where Winston,Kerri Brown,John
Inzer,myself and a few others could have explained it to her
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"VanguardLH" <V...@nguard.LH> wrote in message news:hi5s77$q59$1...@news.albasani.net...
~*Laughingstar*~
were using OE. PERIOD.
I feel sorry for both of you.
~*Laughingstar*~
>> Laughingstar wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any way to limit size of posts in NGs to 500 Kb??
>>
>> Sure. Configure your NNTP server to limit the size of a submission
>> (and to reject it at the time of the submission and not afterward so
>> the sender gets *immediate* notification in their NNTP client of the
>> rejection).
>>
>> Based on your past posts, you are NOT the co-moderator of a
>> newsgroup. You might be a moderator of a *forum*.
My condolences! My purpose was explained.
VanguardLH
> VanguardLH
>
> The news server is annexcafe
Nothing in the headers or in the original post provides that information.
That is background information that the poster did not divulge. I answered
based on what the OP said, not on some assumed information known only to
the OP and perhaps a select few that know of the moderation duties of the
OP in that forum. The OP chose to hide his/her real environment.
> and in some groups they allow Stationary,music background and attachments
> which are mostly *.bmp . Now it is not very hard to reach that high limit
> there.
If they allow attachments then they should not be trying to impose a 500 KB
maximum to the size of a post in their *forum*. If they want such a tiny
quota on the max size of a post then they should refuse posts that contain
attachments or strip out the attachments when they accept the post. If size
is such a problem in these forums, why does their forum software permit
attaching files to their posts?
> Also she is not the moderator of the newsgroup but a forum moderator as
> you posted. As far as this issue is concerned she should get in touch
> with Gregory Gooden the owner of the server or one of the sysrops and
> bring it up with them. This is not the arena to discuss another newserver
> and their rules.
Is it even a newserver (NNTP)? Or is this just another leech site using a
gateway to connect their forums to Usenet?
> She will be pissed off at me but the above is the fact This newsgroup is
> for Outlook Express issues and not for news server rules especially when
> it is not concerning this ms news server
Even if she wanted to discuss just the use of OE with their forum software,
they also have a web-based interface to their forums. Do they also include
the ability to attach files in their forum software? If so, it isn't an OE
issue at all. Also, if they accept NNTP connections or e-mails from OE,
just how are they going to stop non-OE users from submitting posts to their
forums? Not all e-mail or NNTP clients have the ability to slice up a
large message into many smaller messages (plus that is often blocked since
it is also a means of slicing up an infected file to get past AV scanners).
> There are quite a few MS MVP's on that server and they are fully in line
> about understanding the issue that Laughingstar posted here Aside from
> that she could have asked in the U2U group where Winston,Kerri Brown,John
> Inzer,myself and a few others could have explained it to her
So it is an issue with whatever forum software that AnnexCafe is using
which has nothing to do with Outlook Express.
VanguardLH
> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> Laughingstar wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any way to limit size of posts in NGs to 500 Kb??
>>
>> Based on your past posts, you are NOT the co-moderator of a newsgroup.
>> You might be a moderator of a *forum*.
>
> My condolences! My purpose was explained.
Except you are moderating a *forum*, not a newsgroup. So your question was
MISLEADING! As evidenced by your "expertise" (lack of it) in your prior
posts, my condolences to the forum which has you as a moderator.
Steve Cochran
on this server (it had a limit of 800 kbytes back then I think) was peer
pressure for users to reduce the size due to those who had only dialup or
machines that couldn't handle the large files. That worked better than any
strict enforcement, as the users were friendly to each other back then.
cheers,
steve
"~*Laughingstar*~" <tired...@nospam.att.com> wrote in message
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~BD~
Hello lovely lady :)
As others have done when pissed-off with Annexcafe, come on over to
Jenn's BBS at www.pqlr.org/bbs
and/or the Usenet newsgroup 'alt.politics.scorched-earth'.
Which group do you moderate btw?
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Dave (Sometimes man stumbles over the truth ...... Sir Winston Churchill)
AKA BoaterDave - banned by Annexcafe!