So why are YOU switching or not switching to Quicken?
mfogarty
have no plans at all to switch to Quicken.
I have used MS Money for 10 years and didn't activate Money Plus until this
year so I will get updates until the bitter end in Jan 2011. I'm hoping this
thread will be useful to discuss reason(s) to switch or not switch that
people might not have thought of by themselves. So here the reasons I have
come up with for why someone would or would not switch to Quicken.
What's yours?
Reasons for switching
- Upset Microsoft discontinued Money
- Your online updates have expired and you want them to continue and don't
want to buy a copy of MS Money Plus on eBay to extend online services
- have wanted to switch to Quicken for some time, but couldn't because
there was no good conversion tool to do so.
Reasons for not to switching in the near term
- Until recently there was no Money to Quicken converter
- Are waiting to see how other users fare with the recently released money
to quicken converter
- Your MS Money updates don't expire until sometime in 2010 or 2011 and you
don't want to give Intuit one red cent until you have to.
Reasons not to switch at all
- Upset at Intuit for a previous Quicken/Quickbooks/Turbo Tax issue
- Upset that it is even harder to get your data out of Quicken than it is
MS Money
- Your financial institutions don't pay Intuit so you can't get online
updates even with Quicken
- Your dislike of the Quicken interface outweighs having online updates
I would like to add the reason why I am not switching yet. As many of you
know Quicken recently purchased Mint, but what you might not know is that the
founder of Mint has been put in charge of all 4 personal finance software
products(Mint, Quicken for PC, Quicken for Mac and Quicken Online). If you
read the interview linked below you will see that the Intuit spokesperson and
the Mint founder disagree on many of their answers.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-19882_3-10375357-250.html
Do you believe a 27 year-old who probably thinks that desktop software is
for dinosaurs will maintain the version of Quicken you would be switching to?
Maybe he will see the light why people don't want to trust their financial
data to the cloud. Or maybe he won't. Who knows.
I expect for clues about his vision for the 4 products to emerge in 2010 so
I plan on waiting until my MS Money online updates expire in January 2011
before I decide whether or not to make the leap.
What about you?
Antares 531
<mfog...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>I have seen many posts from users who have switched to Quicken and others who
>have no plans at all to switch to Quicken.
>
>I have used MS Money for 10 years and didn't activate Money Plus until this
>year so I will get updates until the bitter end in Jan 2011. I'm hoping this
>thread will be useful to discuss reason(s) to switch or not switch that
>people might not have thought of by themselves. So here the reasons I have
>come up with for why someone would or would not switch to Quicken.
>
>What's yours?
>
I went through the same harsh decision making process you seem to be
immersed in, now. I finally bought a box copy of Quicken Premier and
installed it on a new computer I had just built. I kept my old Money
2007 installed on my old computer, and will manage the two in parallel
at least until I've completed this year's tax work.
I was very surprised with Quicken at first. All the negative things
that were being posted here and elsewhere, concerning the MANY
shortcomings of Quicken had me in a deep state of anxiety, but that
all dissipated as soon as I got Quicken up and running.
I agree, it is "different" from Money, but, for the most part, I like
those differences. I'm getting broken into the saddle with Quicken,
and the more I learn and adapt the better I like it. I'm at that
point, now, where I'd be reluctant to go back to Money, even if MS
were to reverse their decisions and bring it back to life.
>
>Reasons for switching
>
I have accounting records that go back to January 1, 1996 in my Money
files, and was VERY apprehensive about losing access to these. I
decided to set Quicken up and see if I could get all my money files
imported and checked out without disrupting Money.
One thing for sure, I didn't want to wait and not make any adaptations
until Money was so far obsolete that its files could not be imported
into Quicken or any other accounting software, say 5 years down the
line. I wanted to get going with Quicken and get my records imported
as soon as possible. Then, if Money goes entirely kaput I won't be in
a bind.
>
> - Upset Microsoft discontinued Money
> - Your online updates have expired and you want them to continue and don't
>want to buy a copy of MS Money Plus on eBay to extend online services
> - have wanted to switch to Quicken for some time, but couldn't because
>there was no good conversion tool to do so.
>
>Reasons for not to switching in the near term
>
I see no rational reasons for not switching. Quicken handled the file
import process very smoothly and is easy to use. I'm glad I made the
change instead of waiting and brooding until things got really out of
control.
>
> - Until recently there was no Money to Quicken converter
> - Are waiting to see how other users fare with the recently released money
>to quicken converter
> - Your MS Money updates don't expire until sometime in 2010 or 2011 and you
>don't want to give Intuit one red cent until you have to.
>
>Reasons not to switch at all
>
Quicken's converter worked very well for me. The only problems I had
were due to some keying errors I had made in my Money files. I had
inadvertently labeled one payment as a "Regularly recurring" payment,
due on or about the same day each month. This should have been
labeled as a one time only payment, Quicken picked this up and showed
it as an overdue payment for each month, dating back about 3 years to
the date I made the error. There were a few other such errors, but all
of them were due to errors I had made in my Money files.
>
> - Upset at Intuit for a previous Quicken/Quickbooks/Turbo Tax issue
> - Upset that it is even harder to get your data out of Quicken than it is
>MS Money
> - Your financial institutions don't pay Intuit so you can't get online
>updates even with Quicken
> - Your dislike of the Quicken interface outweighs having online updates
>
My bank (Credit Union) and my investment brokerage work very well with
Quicken. I had to key in my username and a password, then Quicken
handled the online updates flawlessly.
>
>I would like to add the reason why I am not switching yet. As many of you
>know Quicken recently purchased Mint, but what you might not know is that the
>founder of Mint has been put in charge of all 4 personal finance software
>products(Mint, Quicken for PC, Quicken for Mac and Quicken Online). If you
>read the interview linked below you will see that the Intuit spokesperson and
>the Mint founder disagree on many of their answers.
>
>http://news.cnet.com/8301-19882_3-10375357-250.html
>
>Do you believe a 27 year-old who probably thinks that desktop software is
>for dinosaurs will maintain the version of Quicken you would be switching to?
> Maybe he will see the light why people don't want to trust their financial
>data to the cloud. Or maybe he won't. Who knows.
>
>I expect for clues about his vision for the 4 products to emerge in 2010 so
>I plan on waiting until my MS Money online updates expire in January 2011
>before I decide whether or not to make the leap.
>
>What about you?
>
As I said earlier, I'll keep my Money files and program alive and
working at least until the end of this tax year and probably until the
end of the 2010 tax year, then I'll make a decision as to whether I
continue using Money, or retire it and put it out to pasture.
Gordon
Jose
so... why wait? :)
I didn't wait for the converter, though. I found a link to an old
downloadable version of Q2002, and I extracted my Money data (since
Jun'95) in ~80 accounts (most of them closed now) into QIF files. I
then imported them one by one into Q2002. The process took me almost a
whole weekend, but by the end of it, I was running Money 2007 and
Q2002 in parallel, getting the same results.
I have to say that I used Quicken from 1995 to 1999, and then I
switched to MS Money until now. So I was somewhat familiar with
Quicken's design (it has changed since then, but I can still see the
same "mind" behind it). I never bought every year's upgrade, though.
I think I bought Q95, Q97, M99, M01, M02, M04, M07, and Q10.
After using Q2002 for almost a month, I bought Q2010 Premier just 12
days ago. As Gordon, I'm running M07 and Q10 in parallel for now, but
I am liking it more and more. Actually, there are a few things I like
better in Quicken. A lot of things are very different (how to handle
downloaded transactions, the views about investments, the planning,
etc), and it will take some time to get used to it. But I think that,
although I will miss some functionality, I am finding some other
features very nice. In my opinion, they are both "similar". I just
don't see Money being that much better, to the point of justifying
being stuck with it.
I could try to define a list of things I like better, but that
wouldn't really be why I switched. Actually, I found about them AFTER
I switched :) The main reason for me was basically to be part of the
customer base of an active product, rather than a dead one. And to
tell you the truth, I've always longed some things from Quicken, and
had been thinking about switching already... and hadn't done it yet
just because of the cost of switching.
The thing I remembered I liked in Q, and missed in M, was the ability
to drill down in charts. If I see the pie chart with my asset
allocation, I can click in the International Stocks area, and get
another chart providing me the detail by account. In M, when you try
to see the details behind a piece of a chart, you just got a list of
transactions. I don't know, some people might think "big deal". I
guess it depends on how people think.
Jose
HowdyDoody
>On Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:31:01 -0700, mfogarty
><mfog...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>>I have seen many posts from users who have switched to Quicken and others who
>>have no plans at all to switch to Quicken.
>>
>>I have used MS Money for 10 years and didn't activate Money Plus until this
>>year so I will get updates until the bitter end in Jan 2011. I'm hoping this
>>thread will be useful to discuss reason(s) to switch or not switch that
>>people might not have thought of by themselves. So here the reasons I have
>>come up with for why someone would or would not switch to Quicken.
>>
I have done the same. I have a copy of Quicken 2008 on my PC and also a copy of MS Money 2007 and I run them in tandem.
I also have MS Money on my MAAC under VM Ware Fusion just in case. I also used Quicken years ago before making the
switch to Money, as, at the time, I liked the interface of Money much better. I will buy Quicken 2010, but still keep
Money for as long as I can and keep running them separately.
William R Wood
Bills/Deposits, Cash Flow tool and customizable reports that actually work
well. I use Money to manage and plan our finances. Without the above 3
features I cannot do that. At best Q is different, not better.
Even if Q did everything Money does, I would not switch because I already
know Money cold and it does everything I need. I have data back to 1980 in
well over 100 accounts organized to my exact specifications. Switching
would be a complete waste of time since there is nothing to gain.
I have not seen anyone describe a convincing reason to switch.
For whatever its worth, I distrust both MSFT and Intuit equally.
Regards
Bill Wood
teabag
"mfogarty" <mfog...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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"I'm hoping this thread will be useful to discuss reason(s) to switch or
not switch (to Quicken) that people might not have thought of by themselves.
I'm not sure that computers think yet.
James E. Freedle II
not have the same capabilities as Microsoft Money. One of the biggest things
that I do in Microsoft Money as bills come in, I go and edit the occurrence
for the new bill. This is not possible in Quicken.
"mfogarty" <mfog...@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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John Pollard
> The biggest reason that I am not switching to Quicken is that Quicken
> does not have the same capabilities as Microsoft Money.
> One of the
> biggest things that I do in Microsoft Money as bills come in, I go
> and edit the occurrence for the new bill. This is not possible in
> Quicken.
As you have described it: your statement is false.
I suggest you make your statement much more specific, so it can be
compared to reality.
--
John Pollard
James E. Freedle II
the educated population may be able to understand what you are talking
about.
"John Pollard" <inv...@invalid.com> wrote in message
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John Pollard
> What the heck do you mean? You need to be more specific so that the
> rest of the educated population may be able to understand what you
> are talking about.
I mean what you said "is not possible" in Quicken (as you described it),
*is* possible in Quicken. So either you didn't describe what you want to
do very clearly, or you're not talking about either of the Quicken
versions that will use the new Converter to convert Money files, or your
statement is not incorrect.
I mean you CAN edit the next "occurance" of a scheduled transaction (a
"bill") in Quicken - in both Q2009 and Q2010.
--
John Pollard
Jose
bill. BUT if it's a split, you can't really adjust that (at least, I
haven't been able to find how in Q2010). That's my case for my Gas &
Electric bill, or my cable/internet/phone bill.
MS Money has a much more elegant solution for this.
Jose
Dick Watson
Given the increasing popularity of virtual environments--primarily aimed at
helping the customers MS really cares about, keep legacy XP/IE6 zombie apps
operable till eternity--I'm less sure of this than I would have been even a
couple of years back.
I just brought up a copy of Chip's Challenge from 1992 era WEP4 in XPmode on
WVPC on Win7 64-bit. Works just like 1992 was here all over again. Only
maybe a little faster.
I'm thinking Money will be able to live in these kinds of environments--if
not the native one--for a decade, easy. Maybe two.
On a side subject: Why do you set your messages x-no-archive? It's
unfortunate to see that your posts won't be available in the groups.google
archive.
"Ed Hansberry, MS-MVP/Mobile Devices"
<spamfree-...@hotmail.spambegone.com> wrote in message
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> While I generally agree with this, I need online updates. Even if
> you don't, eventually, you will buy a PC that Money won't install
> on, or even if it does, may not work properly. It is tied to IE
> very closely, so IE9, 10, 11, etc. may totally break it. I'd say
> five years minimum before you run into that issue.
James E. Freedle II
will modify all future occurrences of the bill. So say I am budgeting $60 a
month on a bill and I get the bill and it is $59.50. If I edit the bill in
Quicken will will change my bill to always be $59.50. This is not correct,
it should NOT change all future occurrences of a bill. In addition Quicken
destroys data. In the event that you void a transaction and if you
accidently hit the wrong one, better hope you remember what the amount was
as the Quicken software developers were not smart enough to simply put the
void as a Yes\No field and just ignore the transaction when calculating the
balance. What other data do they destroy?
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James E. Freedle II
"Dick Watson" <littlegr...@mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
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John Pollard
> That is what I was saying. If you edit the next occurrence of the
> bill, it will modify all future occurrences of the bill. So say I am
> budgeting $60 a month on a bill and I get the bill and it is $59.50.
> If I edit the bill in Quicken will will change my bill to always be
> $59.50.
And I'm saying: not true.
If you click the Edit button that is on the specific scheduled transaction
whose next occurance you want to edit (NOT the Edit option in the Bill and
Income Reminders menu), you will be given the option to choose "Next
occurance" or "All occurrances".
--
John Pollard
Dick Watson
NG. It has the longest/best archive of the group and, when their search is
working, the best--far and away--search capability. Regardless of how you
read and post to the group (within three choices--groups.google.com, direct
via Usenet (news:msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.money), or by the
occasionally brain-damaged Microsoft Community forum; all of the sites that
pass off Usenet as their own forum earn my undying contempt),
groups.google.com is a valuable resource. And when the MS Community is
confused--as it was yesterday--I find groups.google.com my only other way to
get here at some times of the day. Including X-No-Archive in the header info
of a Usenet post causes groups.google.com to remove the post after six or
seven days.
"James E. Freedle II" <nob...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
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Mike
In Quicken 2010 Deluxe, is there any way to edit a single future transaction
that is NOT the next transaction? For example, Money allows one to edit a
single transaction if it is one of the next 12 transactions.
"John Pollard" <inv...@invalid.com> wrote in message
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William R Wood
Guaranteed that I will zoom past your 5 year prediction without breaking a
sweat. :)
My approach will be to maintain a legacy box to run Money forever. I might
also try a virtual machine at some point but I bet that I can keep Money
going for at least 30 years by simply running XP or Win7 or whatever comes
along plus a version of IE that still runs money on then current hardware.
I build my own computers so all I have to do to keep a simple box going
indefinitely is stock up some spare parts. Thus I don't care if future
versions of Windows or IE break Money - I will be using whatever older
version of Windows/IE still works. Of course I will also run a separate
computer with current hardware and software for general purposes.
As to online updates, I like them but don't absolutely need them. I will
type my transaction data in manually before switching to software that will
not do what I need. Now if Q gets better or somebody else puts out software
that is actually better than Money for my purposes, I would switch. I don't
think that is ever going to happen since it hasn't happened yet. The online
crap that now seems to be gaining popularity is worthless to me.
Regards
Bill Wood
"Ed Hansberry, MS-MVP/Mobile Devices"
<spamfree-...@hotmail.spambegone.com> wrote in message
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> While I generally agree with this, I need online updates. Even if
> you don't, eventually, you will buy a PC that Money won't install
> on, or even if it does, may not work properly. It is tied to IE
> very closely, so IE9, 10, 11, etc. may totally break it. I'd say
> five years minimum before you run into that issue.
> --
> __________________________________________________________________________________
> Ed Hansberry (Please do *NOT* email me. Post here for the benefit of all)
> What is on my Pocket PC? http://www.ehansberry.com/
> Microsoft MVP - Mobile Devices www.pocketpc.com
> What is an MVP? - http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/
Cindy Conover
cindy
"Dick Watson" <littlegr...@mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
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Jose
weeks of using Q2010, I haven't been able to find how.
This is one of the things I miss from Money, but being able to edit
the next bill covers most (not really ALL, but most) of my needs on
this regard.
But then there are things I'm finding in Quicken that Money didn't
have/or not as good/nice/convenient, and the more I dig into Quicken,
the more useful things I'm finding. For example:
- I can see, under Investing Activity, a quarterly summary of my 401
(k), with the beginning value of the quarter, the new deposits,
interests, dividends, realized gains, and change in market value, to
build up to the ending value of the quarter. And I can see all 4
quarters this year, but also previous and future years. Can you create
a "similar" report in Money? Yes. But this is right in the overview
page of the account, along with the performance.
All in all, I think the change to Q (going back to the original
questions) is an improvement. Not a dramatic one, but I am definitely
no worse.
On Nov 5, 8:31 am, "Mike" <Dig...@Comcast.Net> wrote:
> I wasn't going to ask this, but since we're on a similar topic, I will.
>
> In Quicken 2010 Deluxe, is there any way to edit a single future transaction
> that is NOT the next transaction? For example, Money allows one to edit a
> single transaction if it is one of the next 12 transactions.
>
> "John Pollard" <inva...@invalid.com> wrote in message
>
> news:OAU46BiX...@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>
>
>
> > James E. Freedle II wrote:
> >> That is what I was saying. If you edit the next occurrence of the
> >> bill, it will modify all future occurrences of the bill. So say I am
> >> budgeting $60 a month on a bill and I get the bill and it is $59.50.
> >> If I edit the bill in Quicken will will change my bill to always be
> >> $59.50.
>
> > And I'm saying: not true.
>
> > If you click the Edit button that is on the specific scheduled transaction
> > whose next occurance you want to edit (NOT the Edit option in the Bill and
> > Income Reminders menu), you will be given the option to choose "Next
> > occurance" or "All occurrances".
>
> >> This is not correct, it should NOT change all future
> >> occurrences of a bill. In addition Quicken destroys data. In the
> >> event that you void a transaction and if you accidently hit the wrong
> >> one, better hope you remember what the amount was as the Quicken
> >> software developers were not smart enough to simply put the void as a
> >> Yes\No field and just ignore the transaction when calculating the
> >> balance. What other data do they destroy?
> >> "Jose" <jose.simonpl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Dick Watson
least your posts will be a little harder to find.
"Ed Hansberry, MS-MVP/Mobile Devices"
<spamfree-...@hotmail.spambegone.com> wrote in message
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> There are a number of reasons why anyone wouldn't want their
> posts to live on indefinitely in on the internet.
James E. Freedle II
only use Windows Live Mail to access Newsgroups.
"Dick Watson" <littlegr...@mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
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James E. Freedle II
I am going to apply almost the same approach. I have many virtual machines
and several of them are older operating systems like Windows for Workgroups
3.11/DOS 6.22, Windows 98 Second Edition, Windows Millennium Edition,
Windows 2000 Professional, Windows xp Home Edition & Windows xp Professional
Edition. I just recently upgraded my Windows Vista installations to Windows
7 and I really do not see a need to create Windows Vista virtual machines, I
might just to have a virtual machine running Windows Vista. I will use a
virtual machine before having old hardware around. I have a Windows Home
Server that backs up every thing every night so I have good backups. That
way I am assured to have Money as long as I want to use it. :)
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James E. Freedle II
that is the only trial version that I could find on the internet.
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Dick Watson
http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.money/msg/8a66a4562dd805d8
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Roy Smith
I think he means that he's blocked the receiving of messages from Google
groups on his pc.... after all I don't think it's possible to be able
to block Google groups from getting ones messages through other
newsgroup servers.
--
Roy Smith
Windows XP Pro SP3
James E. Freedle II
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James E. Freedle II
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broadcasting...
And, yes, Usenet feeds to anybody set up to receive it. That's kinda its
reason for being.
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William R Wood
Jim,
That is very interesting.
Could you give us a few details about the software you are using to create
the virtual machines? I still have DOS 6.22, Win for Workgroups 3.11,
Win98, Win2K and software that runs on that old stuff. It would be nice to
get that stuff running again. So far I know nothing about virtual machines
so any tips would be great.
Regards
Bill Wood
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Brent
Found additional info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-No-Archive
"Ed Hansberry, MS-MVP/Mobile Devices"
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> Sure you can. Set X-No-Archive to yes. They will honor that and
> not retain your message.
Roy Smith
Well I'm not Jim, but I have been toyinf around with virtual machine
software lately. Mainly I've been using Sun's Virtual Box and VMware's
Vmware Player. Of the 2 I prefer Vmware over virtualbox.
Both program basically set up an environment on your PC where you can
install another Operating System and it see's it as a separate PC with
nothing else on it. Both virtual PC programs include a set of guest OS
tools which must be installed in them. These tools offer such things as
drivers for video, sound, mouse and keyboard plus a few other things.
These customized drivers also provide special features such as
automatically adjusting the video resolution when the guest OS window is
resized, automatically capturing and releasing the mouse pointer as it
passes over the guest OS window and more.
The bad thing is that Sun's Virtualbox's guest tools don't support any
Windows OS past Windows XP. There is a lot more I could go into, but
since this is off topic for this newsgroups I'll stop. Though one last
thing, my favorite of the two is Vmware. If you want to talk about this
more, my email address on this message is valid.
--
Roy Smith
Ubuntu 9.10 Karmic Koala
James E. Freedle II
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"Brent" <undefined> wrote:
>I learned something new today. Thanks, Ed.
>
>Found additional info here:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-No-Archive
>
So did I. I didn't realize they kept the message for 6 days then
deleted it. Interesting.
James E. Freedle II
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"James E. Freedle II" <nob...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
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If I could block google from doing anything I would.
"Dick Watson" <littlegr...@mind-enufalready-spring.com> wrote in
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You trust Microsoft more?
"James E. Freedle II" <nob...@nowhere.org> wrote in message
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Microsoft is more trustworthy than Google. I know Microsoft's motivations,
just like Apple, Google wants to control every thought that you have and
every action that you take. If I had enough money I would buy both companies
and dismantle them.
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James,
If you bought Apple or Google and dimantled them - leaving just Microsoft ..
WHO would do the innovation ? Google and Apple MADE computers USEFUL.
They could have done that without Microsoft.
linux,unix,CP/M or any other OS would have done nicely
Google and Apple have foresight.
Google was NOBODY a few years ago.
Two guys with an idea.
Prior to Google, for a vast majority of the users in the US, there was -
maybe -
Yahoo for internet, and Microsoft for software. For those that didn't know
about Yahoo it was msn ( when they opened IE they were brought there and
there they stayed.)
For any person I knew that isn't a computer pro, that's all they knew.
They bought a PC and opened Internet Explorer. ( or AOL if dial-up)
Then Google challenged Yahoo as a resource.
They had an idea of how to get info quicker to the user.
The rest is history.
AND for all of the resources that Google provides , how much has it cost you
? Nothing !
On the other hand:
Microsoft is great at MARKETING.
Microsoft bought DOS and LICENSED it to IBM.
Microsoft copied the concept of VisiCalc, 1-2-3 for Excel
Microsoft copied WordPerfect for Word.
Microsoft copied Apple's MAC concept for Windows
( actually Apple HIRED them to write the original code- back when it was
"them" against IBM)
Microsoft copied Netscape Navigator ( MOSAIC) for Internet Explorer
Microsoft copied Quicken for Money.
Microsoft copied, copied,copied
Their ONLY addition to the cause has been to keep prices down by squashing
any competition so that they had been the sole OS writer for years. So
without MSFT, software might COST more. WITH only them, they have had
absolutely no need/desire to innovate. We'd be paying $200 for DOS 14.0
If you wanted to advance the industry, you'd choose Steve Ballmer over Steve
Jobs ? Come On .... Compare XBOX vs. IPod
Nintendo / Sony Playstation was selling for about $275 and selling a lot of
them
Microsoft wanted into the business. They undercut the price of the
competitors and sold ( still sell) the XBOX at a loss. This was when they
were being investigated by the govt for 'monopoly status' too ! At the time
Steve Ballmer said on the nightly news that they were losing about $100 on
each XBOX. Who/why would you do that ? How can you and I ( or Sony) compete
with a company that sells their product at a loss ? That's what the
antitrust laws are all about !
I'm glad that Europe doesn't let them get away with it.
Now look at the Apple IPod:
Steve Jobs went to Samsung and convinced THEM that "right now these flash
chips are new/expensive and you'll lose money at first, but once the IPod
catches on, you'll sell tens of millions of these chips and the cost will
drop to nothing". So Jobs showed them the IPod and convinced Samsung to
gamble. The IPod came out and the rest is history. Cost of IPod went down,
down, down. Apple and Samsung both made a ton of money and consumer prices
went from $300 to 200 to 100 to $50. Samsung is now into everything and
IPods are everywhere. They didn't COPY anything - they CREATED something.
To rephrase you, " If I had enough money , I WOULD buy both companies."
I'd love to be in their executive staff meetings.
Cal Learner-- MVP
>If you bought Apple or Google and dimantled them - leaving just Microsoft ..
>WHO would do the innovation ? Google and Apple MADE computers USEFUL.
Digital Research's CPM and Digital Equipment's AltaVisa preceded
Apple's and Google's innovations, I think.
- Bobb -
"Cal Learner-- MVP" <via_ne...@please.tnx> wrote in message
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> In microsoft.public.money, - Bobb - wrote:
>
>>If you bought Apple or Google and dimantled them - leaving just Microsoft
>>..
>>WHO would do the innovation ? Google and Apple MADE computers USEFUL.
>
> Apple's and Google's innovations, I think.
Absolutely. That's my point. A lot of stuff was out there in the past but
NO ONE made them useful. I worked for Digital Equipment. It was a GREAT
engineering company and made LOTS of great hardware (they had the Rainbow
and the DecMate before the term "PC" existed). But if I drove out of Boston
area. and mentioned that I did field service for "Digital Equipment", the
common person was confused because they thought I meant a DIGITAL WATCH ( I
am not kidding).
Yet they knew what an Apple computer was ( very early 80's) .
I worked at DEC when they had Altavista, but they weren't used to dealing
with 'common folks'. It sat there - used by internal people mostly.
Then came MOSAIC and Netscape . ... then Yahoo , then Google.
Like Xerox Parc, DEC had a lot of great stuff that the public never saw.
But at Apple, Wozniak could design it and Jobs would sell it. First the
Apple Kit, then the apple 2 ,then the Mac. The Newton didn't fly but they
had the concept before the users had the need. Later the Palm Pilot got that
market My point is there was innovation - new stuff.
Same thing with Google. When it first came out with its search engine
telling me that it did the search in .00000001 seconds, I thought it was
nice but - did it matter ? Then Yahoo started loading up their site with
slow-loading ads and - compared to Yahoo , Google was a MUCH better
experience.
If you haven't tried anything else at Google: check out
http://www.google.com/intl/en/options/
BTW , to read link between Google and Altavista - see bottom of:
http://news.cnet.com/AltaVista-In-search-of-a-turning-point/2100-1023_3-270869.html
Cal Learner-- MVP
>
>But at Apple, Wozniak could design it and Jobs would sell it. First the
>Apple Kit, then the apple 2 ,
then Lisa,
- Bobb -
monitor. . I only saw it at the computer show in Boston. I never saw one in
use by the public.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj2A0LybwPA
Let video load and start the video at 4:45 mark to skip the intro
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