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er...@officeformac.com

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Jan 15, 2008, 3:21:01 PM1/15/08
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Hi

can we add new styles (i.e. download from MS) and import our endnote libraries into the new bibliographic feature of word 2008?

thanks
eric

Daiya Mitchell

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Jan 15, 2008, 10:13:38 PM1/15/08
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I don't think so. Feature designed for undergraduates with 5-20 sources,
not for academics. Oh, and EndNote doesn't work with Word 2008.

Use Help | Provide Feedback in Word to complain, and to ask for a import
tool.

er...@officeformac.com

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Jan 15, 2008, 11:08:03 PM1/15/08
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thanks for the clarification. Yeah I knew that endnote did not work, but the slow scrolling speed of Office 2004 on intel was driving me bonkers ;P

Daiya Mitchell

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Jan 16, 2008, 2:55:58 AM1/16/08
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A different question reminded me--and another poster confirmed--that you
can use EndNote with Word 2008, sort of. Use drag and drop from EN to
insert unformatted citations in a Word 2008 document. Return to Word
2004, or use the Scan as RTF feature in EN, to format the citations and
generate the bibliography.

You can't use the EN toolbar----but you can get 90% of the functionality
without the EN toolbar.

Unknown

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Jan 17, 2008, 3:26:29 PM1/17/08
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I can't image why MS would overlook this simple function! I am hugely disappointed with Word 2008: it should have some kind of import filter for refs.

John McGhie

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Jan 18, 2008, 5:37:49 AM1/18/08
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Hi Sam:

They didn't overlook it, they ran out of time.

They are working on it now. Keep your eye on the EndNote website: they will
announce when they have a version ready to work with Word 2008 (maybe six
months...)

Cheers


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Daiya Mitchell

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Jan 18, 2008, 11:15:56 AM1/18/08
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Sam, use Help | Send Feedback in Word to send a message to MS. Be sure
to make clear whether you want to be able to import information into the
built-in citations feature, or use the program EndNote--at present you
and John might be talking about different things.

joon...@officeformac.com

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Jan 20, 2008, 2:01:10 AM1/20/08
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I manage bibliography with BibDesk. And some people use Papers for that purpose. So, I made a simple application that converts bibtex file to Word 2008 bibliography db.
You can download it from following location:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~joonhwan/personal/bibim.zip
You just drop a bibtex file on the window, and then you will get "Sources.xml" file. Just put this file under "~/Documents/Microsoft User Data" folder and launch word 2008.
It's still in beta (maybe alpha) version, so some types may not be converted correctly. In that case, please report the bug to following email address: bibi...@gmail.com

BTW, I also need to add bibliography styles. Is it really impossible??

John McGhie

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Jan 20, 2008, 2:27:06 AM1/20/08
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Thanks Daiya:

I *knew* I should left that one for you :-)

Cheers


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John McGhie

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Jan 20, 2008, 4:57:57 AM1/20/08
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Excellent!! Thank you for that.

No, it's not "impossible", you just have to FIND the bibliography styles
list and add to it. So far, we haven't found it :-)

Drill into the Word.app package, look in the Resources folder for a folder
named "Style". In there, you will see a series of 500 kb documents that you
may find VERY interesting.

Warning: There may be a link or pointer list to those files somewhere: if
you don't find that, Word may never see any you add...

Enjoy!

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joon...@officeformac.com

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Jan 20, 2008, 10:51:30 AM1/20/08
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I know style folder is in there, but when I copy styles from Word 2007, it didn't show up.
However, I tried to make a custom style by following link and it worked.
http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_office_word/archive/2007/12/14/bibliography-citations-1011.aspx
I don't know the difference of this custom style and the styles of word 2007 yet, but at lease I'm happy to know that adding a style is not impossible.

Unknown

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Jan 20, 2008, 11:03:00 AM1/20/08
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Nice job joonhwan!

That bibdesk import seems to work great! Now all we need is a style editor for the masses and this could really take off. MS - can you guys supply such a thing?

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John McGhie

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Jan 20, 2008, 6:30:29 PM1/20/08
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Hi Eric:

Of course they could. But there are a dozen keen young code puppies out
there slaving away over a hot compiler as we speak.

This is what Universities have Comp Sci departments FOR...

Need I add "That's how Microsoft started..."

Microsoft has one or two more urgently pressing feature additions to get
through.

Ring your local Comp Sci major and ask them to get right on it. You may
need to exert some "encouragement". Try FOOD. Food works for almost all
geeks (hmm.. Female ones tend not to respond well to food unless it's
chocolate ...). Avoid booze. If you feed booze to a computer nerd, they
will do anything, but you may prefer not to be around when they do...

Cheers


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Daiya Mitchell

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Jan 21, 2008, 4:29:10 AM1/21/08
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Eric wrote:
> Nice job joonhwan!

Indeed! Awesome.

Unknown

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Jan 22, 2008, 3:12:17 AM1/22/08
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I have a 100 page document with 70 odd citations. For some reason one of the citations shows up with the title as well as the author / date. The same citation in a new document shows up correctly (APA format). I'm at a loss.

I don't think this feature is ready for prime time yet.

joon...@officeformac.com

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Jan 22, 2008, 7:02:32 AM1/22/08
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Paul,
If there are more than two bibliography with same author, Word put title, too.
To fix this issue, edit style files - they are in Word.app/Contents/Resources/Styles

1. Find following line:
<xsl:value-of select="msxsl:node-set($ListPopulatedWithMain)/b:Citation/b:Source/b:Title" />

2. Edit the line as follows:

Unknown

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Jan 23, 2008, 3:20:18 AM1/23/08
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Joonhwan

Thanks that worked. Silly, and most annoying, bug though.

Paul

joon...@officeformac.com

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Jan 23, 2008, 10:46:10 AM1/23/08
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I'm not sure if it was a bug or not. Windows Word 2007 has the same problem.
Maybe, they just don't understand citation rule :)
We should send them the Chicago manual or something.

Unknown

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Jan 23, 2008, 10:46:55 AM1/23/08
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Is there any way to get the citation to show up as a numbered reference instead of a (name, year) without entering them as endnotes? Or is there a way to have endnotes collected in the citations listing I suppose would also do the trick

Daiya Mitchell

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Jan 24, 2008, 4:44:39 AM1/24/08
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I don't understand what you mean by this part--can you rephrase?

"Or is there a way to have endnotes collected in the citations listing I
suppose would also do the trick"

For numbered reference lists, this is the general approach:
Create a list of references at the end. Use Word's features to apply the
numbers to this list, so that they will update as necessary. In the main
text of the document, insert cross-references to the numbered items in
the reference list. Format the cross-references however you like (a find
and replace might help with this).

Now--can you get Word's citation manager to give you a list of
references? I'm not sure. If you apply numbering to a Word-generated
bibliography, it might get wiped, destroying your cross-references, when
you update fields. Individual citations should keep the numbering even
on updating---but I'm not sure whether you can insert an individual
citation and get it to show the full information, unless you are
inserting it into a footnote.

Unknown

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Jan 24, 2008, 8:59:22 AM1/24/08
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The last part was just me babbling...So I can create a list of references, but I can't figure out what you mean by "Use Word's features to apply the numbers to the list". I am assuming that you mean use add bullets and numbering. This works nicely and even cross-referencing adds the appropriate numbers, but as you speculated all of that is destroyed if you update the bibliography.

I find it odd that Word would not include a format that has them automatically numbered and inserts numbered references into the text as this is a standard in many technical journals.

Thank you very much for your help Daiya

Daiya Mitchell

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Jan 24, 2008, 9:45:46 AM1/24/08
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Yeah, I meant use a numbered list style to apply the numbers, rather
than type them. (Or use Format | bullets and numbering)

If you know you won't need to update the bibliography again, you could
convert it to plain text (right-click and Unlink Field, I think). But
that seems to miss the point of the feature.

Word is missing so many potential formats in this feature--it's not
designed for people writing for technical journals, but for
undergraduates doing a class research paper. You can use Help | Send
Feedback to describe how you would like to be able to use the feature,
maybe they'll take it into account.

joon...@officeformac.com

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Jan 24, 2008, 10:05:47 AM1/24/08
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In my personal opinion, citation feature of Word 2008 isn't bad. But bibliography management feature is problem. That's why made the converter program. BibDesk or Papers has much better than Word in terms of managing papers (bib+pdf).
I don't know what you mean by technical papers, but at least academic papers (thesis, journals, and conferences papers) would be OK with this tool. I'm editing about 200 pages thesis and about 150 bibliography at this moment, and I have no problem with it.
(Actually I'm curious how you see the difference between undergrad's paper and others)
One thing I miss is numbered style, too.
It's weird because Word 2007 (win version) has that style.
I tried to copy it from Word 2007, but it didn't work with word2008.
I don't need it right now, but if I submit my paper to conference or something, it is very much needed.
However, if you know XML structure, you can make one for you.
Here is the link for the tutorial.
http://blogs.msdn.com/microsoft_office_word/archive/2007/12/14/bibliography-citations-1011.aspx

Daiya Mitchell

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Jan 24, 2008, 10:38:41 AM1/24/08
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Well, the inability to import sources makes it pretty frustrating for
anything using more than 10-15 sources. I'm a historian, so that means
my students can use it for their papers, but I'm not going to bother to
hand-enter sources, of which I have hundreds. So my undergrads' papers
have fewer sources--and also, I'm not especially concerned if they have
to tweak the data entry to get the right output because Word doesn't
offer a certain field. But tweaking the data entry isn't really
sustainable over an academic career, I don't think.

By technical papers--and I was just using John's term--I was picturing
the articles that people send off to technical journals, all of which
require their own format. EndNote, etc, let you switch formats on the
fly---Word only offers four formats. So it's not going to help people
who need to reformat an article from Journal of Epidemiology to Journal
of Biological Epidemiology reference format. Many people have already
run into the limitations of those formats--the first time I tried to use
it for an edited book, I got errors with Chicago format, and someone
here flagged a problem with the MLA format.

I think it will be quite good for my undergraduate students, and
possibly helpful for some MA theses. But beyond that, any work invested
into entering sources, making it work, etc, would be better invested
into setting up EndNote, Bookends, or Sente, which offer so much more,
and a much greater return on the set-up time.

That's out of the box, of course. I've not checked out your tools (yet),
which seem to make it feasible for large numbers of sources. But
customizing XML themselves is not going to be an option for most people,
and the third-party support (like yours) that MS is counting on to
extend the feature isn't out there yet.

Daiya

Unknown

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Jan 24, 2008, 10:51:50 AM1/24/08
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guess what? Bookends now supports Word 2008.

http://www.sonnysoftware.com/

eric

Daiya Mitchell

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Jan 24, 2008, 11:00:02 AM1/24/08
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Unknown

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Jan 24, 2008, 11:32:39 AM1/24/08
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Yeah, When I meant technical papers I meant submission to different peer reviewed journals. I know that some of the physics journals allow the type of referencing available in word 08, but others don't.

Thank you very much for the link joonhwan, I've never tried to edit XML but I might take a look at it.

I'm really just starting to build up a bibliography so I'm trying to get it started with the one available in Word 08 before I cave and start learning to use LaTex and BibTex like everyone else I know.

Unknown

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Jan 25, 2008, 4:41:44 AM1/25/08
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Seems to be a load of problems with this feature. My document now has around 50 citations. When I went to update the bibliography, the CPU went up to 100% (one of the cores flat out) and stayed that way. Eventually I had to kill word and restart it.

Back to latex for me.

JE McGimpsey

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Jan 25, 2008, 7:29:50 AM1/25/08
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> word and restart it.<br>
> <br>


> Back to latex for me.

Before you abandoned Word, did you try more than once to update the bib?

John McGhie

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Jan 25, 2008, 11:11:48 PM1/25/08
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Hi Paul:

That's a classic sign of a corrupted document. You need to select precisely
when editing, or you break the tags :-)

Cheers


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Jan 27, 2008, 1:09:51 PM1/27/08
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Hi John,

No, its not a corrupt document I'm afraid, it's a bug. One of a number of serious ones I've run up against; one is where a message pops up saying the disk is full and it can't save the backup file and another where it claims it can't recognise a image format when adding an image. Restarting word fixes both of them.

So it's latex for me until these problems get fixed.

Curt Laird

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Jan 29, 2008, 9:44:07 PM1/29/08
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HI Paul,
Does this issue consistently reproduce? If so, would you mind sending me the document? Does it happen to all document or just one in particular?

Sorry for the trouble.


Thanks,


Curt



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Seems to be a load of problems with this feature. My document now has around 50 citations. When I went to update the bibliography, the CPU went up to 100% (one of the cores flat out) and stayed that way. Eventually I had to kill word and restart it.

Back to latex for me.

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Jan 29, 2008, 9:46:40 PM1/29/08
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Paul,
Can you elaborate on the other problems you’re encountering?

If you have scenarios or problematic documents, please forward them to me. (email below)


Thanks in advance for your help!



Curt


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Seems to be a load of problems with this feature. My document now has around 50 citations. When I went to update the bibliography, the CPU went up to 100% (one of the cores flat out) and stayed that way. Eventually I had to kill word and restart it.

Back to latex for me.

Unknown

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Feb 19, 2008, 2:55:06 AM2/19/08
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Hi Curt,

I'm currently working the insert image issue through MS support. It's a very bizarre one.

I'm afraid I can't send the document, it's my thesis.

John McGhie

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Feb 19, 2008, 4:46:58 AM2/19/08
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Hi Paul:

Curt is the Software Development Engineer that MS Support are asking :-)

Can you make a copy of the document that demonstrates the problem, removing
your thesis text, and send him that?

If he can't reproduce the problem, he can't fix it for you :-)

Cheers


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Curt Laird (MSFT)

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Feb 19, 2008, 5:27:33 PM2/19/08
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I promise I won't steal or sell it -- no really. It isn't the answer to cold
fusion is it? ;-)

If you could send me a scaled down version of it that reproduces the problem
that would be just dandy.

Thanks,


Curt


On 2/19/08 1:46 AM, in article C3E0DBAA.10E35%jo...@mcghie.name, "John
McGhie" <jo...@mcghie.name> wrote:

> Hi Paul:
>
> Curt is the Software Development Engineer that MS Support are asking :-)
>
> Can you make a copy of the document that demonstrates the problem, removing
> your thesis text, and send him that?
>
> If he can't reproduce the problem, he can't fix it for you :-)
>
> Cheers
>
>
> On 19/02/08 5:25 PM, in article ee888...@webcrossing.caR9absDaxw, "Paul"
> <Paul> wrote:
>
>> Hi Curt,
>>
>> I'm currently working the insert image issue through MS support. It's a very
>> bizarre one.
>>
>> I'm afraid I can't send the document, it's my thesis.

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maria gulinello

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Mar 25, 2008, 9:09:21 PM3/25/08
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Try doing that if you have a lot of refs, a lot of pages or a lot of images and tables. Not working for me. Not to mention if you have symbols or equations. It is ok if you are writing an abstract with 2 refs - but I could do that by hand in the time it takes to convert and convert back. For 300 bucks I expect better. Tech support just says get an earlier version of office or be patient

> er...@officeformac.com wrote:
> &gt; thanks for the clarification. Yeah I knew that endnote did not work,
> &gt; but the slow scrolling speed of Office 2004 on intel was driving me
> &gt; bonkers ;P
>
> A different question reminded me--and another poster confirmed--that you
> can use EndNote with Word 2008, sort of. Use drag and drop from EN to
> insert unformatted citations in a Word 2008 document. Return to Word
> 2004, or use the Scan as RTF feature in EN, to format the citations and
> generate the bibliography.
>
> You can't use the EN toolbar----but you can get 90% of the functionality
> without the EN toolbar.
>

njs...@officeformac.com

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Apr 1, 2008, 8:35:26 PM4/1/08
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Will some of you kind bibliography students take a look at my new thread about a citation manager style problem?

Thanks!
Neva

littlek

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Apr 9, 2008, 7:25:39 PM4/9/08
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Hi-
I just downloaded office 2008 and am trying to use refworks write n cite with it. I installed (drag and drop) write n cite and it recognizes which document I am working on but when I click cite, no references are inserted into the text. Am I missing something?

John McGhie

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Apr 10, 2008, 6:02:08 AM4/10/08
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I think you need to ask RefWorks. Please post the answer you get in here.

There are two things that may be wrong:

1) It appears that Write n Cite may be a VBA Macro. If it is: well, there
is no VBA in Office 2008, and thus, no Macros.

2) It appears that Write n Cite may not be able to read .docx files. Try
saving the file as RTF.

However, the information on their website is by no means clear. I "think"
they mean it is compatible with "Mac Word 98 up to and including Mac Word
2004".

Hope this helps


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plhyn

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Anyone hear anything recent regarding Endnote X1 and Word 2008? In middle of writing my dissertation and starting to get really frustrated! :chagrin:

CyberTaz

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May 19, 2008, 12:24:37 PM5/19/08
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The most accurate up-to-date info will be available here:

http://www.endnote.com and http://www.officeformac.com/blog/

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
[MVP] Office:Mac

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Corentin Cras-Méneur

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May 19, 2008, 2:41:46 PM5/19/08
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CyberTaz <onlygen...@com.cast.net> wrote:

> The most accurate up-to-date info will be available here:


There is virtually nothing there about EndNote support for Office 2008.
I believe that they made an annoucement that they will bring EndNote
support in EndNote X1 as a free update.

At this point, I don't miss it so much. I never use Cite as you write so
I can just copy my references from EndNote to paste them in Word.
When I need to format, I save as RTF and format from within EndNote.
Much much much faster…

Corentin


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CyberTaz

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May 19, 2008, 4:39:31 PM5/19/08
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Hi Corentin -

You're quite right, and that's because it doesn't exist as yet:-) The point
is that as information about the progress is made available that's where it
will show up first... At least according to the info on the End Note site:

http://www.endnote.com/support/en_wpchart_mac.asp

Regards |:>)
Bob Jones
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On 5/19/08 2:41 PM, in article
1ih6wi5.1kzrneb1qcp19yN%korve...@NoSpam.mvps.org, "Corentin Cras-Méneur"
<korve...@NoSpam.mvps.org> wrote:

> CyberTaz <onlygen...@com.cast.net> wrote:
>
>> The most accurate up-to-date info will be available here:
>
>
> There is virtually nothing there about EndNote support for Office 2008.
> I believe that they made an annoucement that they will bring EndNote
> support in EndNote X1 as a free update.
>
> At this point, I don't miss it so much. I never use Cite as you write so
> I can just copy my references from EndNote to paste them in Word.
> When I need to format, I save as RTF and format from within EndNote.

> Much much much fasterŠ
>
> Corentin
>

Daiya Mitchell

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According to that page, there is supposed to be a June release of a free
update to Endnote X1 that will enable Word 2008 compatibility.

> http://www.endnote.com/support/en_wpchart_mac.asp
>
>

Andreas Fischlin

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I wish to report on most serious problems I have encountered using Office 2004 and EndNote X1. Since it is clear for the time-being that EndNote does ONLY work with Office 2004, that is the route I tried to go. Using rtf files works smoothly going back and forth between Office 2004 and 2008 (at least so far). However, using EndNote X1 with Office 2004 under Leopard (OS X 10.5.x) is a disaster.

First I encounter regularly complete freezes of Word while typing simple diacritical characters (Umlaut, Option-u-u for instance to get a German ü). I have uninstalled and reinstalled the entire Office 2004, trashed carefully all preferences, made all upgradeds service packs in painstakingly exactly the correct sequence etc. etc. All to no avail. The problem persists and creeps in as soon as I try to do serious work (now with several papers I am writing).

Secondly, if I try to unformat properly entered and once EndNote formatted citations using EndNote X1's menu command ("Tools -> EndNote X1 -> Unformat Citation(s)") the field codes get corrupted and I loose all work. Similarly attempts to reformat the bibliography result in corruption of already once properly formatted in-text citations. The result is to go back to older versions (hopefully not formatted) and to reenter the citations and cross my fingers that at some stage the entire formatting of the bibliography will work. I know this might be an EndNote X1 problem and I will report it to EndNote.

This is all in all an extremely frustrating situation and my conclusion is that Word from Office 2004 and EndNote X1 under Leopard are basically no longer usable (at least on an Intel Mac). The frustrating thing is it is most difficult to find the culprit, since it seems to be the combination of OS, Office, and EndNote. It could also be a Word problem under Leopard, since EndNote X1 used to work fine under Tiger using Word Office 2004. But it could also be a problem with Office 2004, since I have updated with recommended service packs and my Office 2004 under Leopard is no longer the same as under Tiger. Only EndNote X1 is the same, yet needed to be reinstalled if I reinstall Office 2004. So none of the involved software components could be left really exactly the same as before.

Of course I am not sure whether my diagnosis is completely correct, since proving such a diganosis is extremely time consuming, and I simply don't have that. I should be able to work. But I have already made great and careful efforts while attempting to rescue papers (submittable under a tight dead-line) and wasted days to rescue as much as possible. My experience is rather big in the mean-time, yet still far from a proof.

BTW, I am an experienced (sophisticated) user, have taught computer science (university level), programmed for decades Macs and other computers and know very well what I am doing.

Therefore I guess nobody can offer a remedy, or can you? I would be most pleased to hear from you. Anyone interested in the files showing the nasty behavior, simply send me an E-mail and I can provide entire packages.

Andreas Fischlin :angry:

John McGhie

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Jun 3, 2008, 4:39:02 AM6/3/08
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Hi Andreas:

This sounds like you have a message for Microsoft. I suggest that you use
Word> Help>Send Feedback and copy your post in there. That way, a Microsoft
employee will read it. They will not read it in here: Microsoft does not
read this forum.

Cheers


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Andreas Fischlin <andreas....@env.ethz.ch> wrote:

Hi Andreas,

> I wish to report on most serious problems I have encountered using
> Office 2004 and EndNote X1. Since it is clear for the time-being that
> EndNote does ONLY work with Office 2004,

It also works with X and the EndNotes folks are actively working on
integrating it in Word 2008.

> that is the route I tried to
> go. Using rtf files works smoothly going back and forth between Office
> 2004 and 2008 (at least so far). However, using EndNote X1 with Office
> 2004 under Leopard (OS X 10.5.x) is a disaster.


You can also export as RTF in 2008 and perform all formatting directly
in EndNote (that's what I do)


>
> First I encounter regularly complete freezes of Word while typing simple
> diacritical characters (Umlaut, Option-u-u for instance to get a German
> ü). I have uninstalled and reinstalled the entire Office 2004, trashed
> carefully all preferences, made all upgradeds service packs in
> painstakingly exactly the correct sequence etc. etc. All to no avail.
> The problem persists and creeps in as soon as I try to do serious work
> (now with several papers I am writing).

That's sounds unusual to me. I use this character and many other of the
same kind in French and I never experienced that. Do you get the same
problem from another user account on the same Mac ?? Are you fully up to
date??


> Secondly, if I try to unformat properly entered and once EndNote
> formatted citations using EndNote X1's menu command ("Tools -> EndNote
> X1 -> Unformat Citation(s)") the field codes get corrupted and I loose
> all work.

Same thing, I never had that. I wonder wehther Office could be corrupted
on your Mac (or it could be the System, permissions.. .You should boot
on your MacOS X DVD to check the hard drive with DiskUtility from the
Utility menu in the installer).

> Similarly attempts to reformat the bibliography result in
> corruption of already once properly formatted in-text citations. The
> result is to go back to older versions (hopefully not formatted) and to
> reenter the citations and cross my fingers that at some stage the entire
> formatting of the bibliography will work. I know this might be an
> EndNote X1 problem and I will report it to EndNote.


Do you get the same problem if you scan the Manuscript (in RTF) from
within EndNote??

[...]


> Of course I am not sure whether my diagnosis is completely correct,
> since proving such a diganosis is extremely time consuming, and I simply
> don't have that. I should be able to work. But I have already made great
> and careful efforts while attempting to rescue papers (submittable under
> a tight dead-line) and wasted days to rescue as much as possible. My
> experience is rather big in the mean-time, yet still far from a proof.


COnsidering the problems you also have with extended ASCII characters, I
would suspect that something is not quite right with your Office
installation. It could be many things though and I know how tedious it
can be to track it down.

> BTW, I am an experienced (sophisticated) user, have taught computer
> science (university level), programmed for decades Macs and other
> computers and know very well what I am doing.
>
> Therefore I guess nobody can offer a remedy, or can you? I would be most
> pleased to hear from you. Anyone interested in the files showing the
> nasty behavior, simply send me an E-mail and I can provide entire
> packages.

It could also be that the file you are using is corrupted. Your Normal
template could be corrupted too (and transmitting the problem to all new
document).

Try moving the Normal template aside to have Word create a new one upon
launch and create a new document. Insert references, extended ASCII,
format, unformat... Do you still have the same problem??

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