Realism Vs Ease of USE....and other things
AVG_Girvin_SFAC
limted ammo and fuel. lets face it it wasnt FA 1.5. Its quite a bit harder
to fly.
I cant say for sure wether the FA II fligt model(FM) was a good way to go or
not. What I can say is that i wont be playing if FA III comes out even
harder to fly.MORE real.
one of the reasons i canned my CFS game right off the bat was it was too
hard for me....
WW II online?????? do they realy think they can get people to fly there with
a REALIstic only FM?
Its a mistake to get the game too hard
people want to jusmp in the cockpit and take off...without having to know
500 things. take warbirds......even the comands and radio funtions are
difficult to grasp for a guy who doesnt want to take the time to figure it
out....
the thing is EASE of use is the key to FAs success
EASE of use does not mean that the game is easy.
the planes were easy to fly yes..but because everyone was flying them it
STILL made for people to be very skilled to get kills.... it was as hard in
FA 1.5 to get stars as it is in 2.0
but in 1.5 any fool could hop in the plane and be off and running......too
some extent this is true also in fa II
BUt we cant make this game more difficult FM wise.... how many peopl play
CFS or CFS 2.... 100tops every night
again GAMERS dont want hassles...and if FA is looking for harcore
flightsimmers..they will have too look far and wide...
all one needs to do is
A. look at how many play FA 1.5
B Look at how many play FA II Arcade and TC and FFA
C Look at the number of FA II realistic players
Keep the FM as easy as it is now for all times.
this does Not mean we should have b17s outturning spits though....we must
keep aircraft performing reletivly close to their historical top speed climb
rates and turn rates....
The Ms needs to address the misbalances in the game
Ge is on steroids now.want an uber plane..its like that deck of cards thing
pick a plane any plane.....Ge has so many weapons so many climbers
GB..spit 14..they should get the tempest
SU la-7 yak
US lets face it..US blows if ya dont think so just check out the climb
rates..we can go over and over on how this is hostoricaly right.BUt being a
US pilot blows... VR-1 only hurst subscriptios by having Bad uS
planes.......newbies are getting slaughtered every day by the sU....so
something has to be done.wether that be the F2G corsair or whatever
JP. The ki-84a is STILL undermodeled.as is the george and the jack and the
ki-100 Jp has so many undermodeled planes
finaly i have to wonder....FA is a great product but damn its so goofy its
crazy...
AGain shoddyness
the STARS on the planes???? everyone knows that Vr-1 goofed it up with 5
stars where they dont belong CORSAIRs????
but it goes way deeper than this how BAD they ignore some things...take the
JP planes... ki-100 this is a 1945 plane..yet this thing REALY
sucks......dont get me worng I know ya can get kilsl in it...but damn for a
1945 plane it blows....same with the JACK J2m3 blows......ever see anyone
flying it????? theres a reason it blows
seems Some planes arent up to snuff.and are ignored patch after patch cause
there aint much beeching being done...
they can make a tempest...that no one can fly in TC...but they cant do any
real reaserch or recheck their work????? lets get real some of these JP
planes george and ki-84a could and its historicaly document ed that the
george often flew with 12-1 odds and WON!! against P-51s....so comeon?????
p-38..pfffft in every other flightsim.a plane to be feared...UBER they call
the 38..FA II ......JOKE!
So I look at the game and I say its a great game..but like in the
comercial....now ya gotta "show me something more"...
and ya can start with fixing the STAR system...drop it and list the planes
top speed climb rate and turn diamater or radius.
fA II what can I say.........they shoud just elimenate JP and US maybe
even a 3rd country and just make it 1 on 1. the fact is that the gam is
realy unbalanced.
how many times does Ge have to blitz thru JP? in less than an hour after the
server resets? how many times before MS knows there is a problem...how many
years will we have the same damn TC map? pie map blows......
SO Shoddyness...quality.....
heres the thing we shouldALL be worried about this...FA cant last forever
now listen to me again. FA CANT LAST FOREVER..when that sinks in each and
everyone of us should be doing what he can to ensure it last as long as
possible
having unbalance is not the way.us planes DO suck..so do japans...its the
climbrate stupid...its the climbrate stupid
iTS THE CLIMBRATE STUPID
what about the Su squads blasting the same US rtookie 50000 times...cause
those rookies just materialize in a r3d storm and try to take off..yeah you
guys are gonna get them to pay 10 bucks a month..VR-1 best have the new guys
take off from rear bases...or id bases...
So want FA to stick around 3 years from now? Then we realy need to polish up
the next FA II release....AND the FA III release better have a simialer FM
and be easy to just jump in and go
for those here who wanna say Im talkinmg out my A$$..thats fine..
but know this FA cant last forever.and with some of you guys BSKing in the
TC rooms it wont last long at all....
theres plent of games out there.and more coming...i feel that FA in its
current form.and lack of polish(5strs for f4u-4 guns but only 3 for p-51 yet
same guns) is ILL equipped to compete with the competion from other games
that could be coming...that ARE coming...and i dont mean flight sims.i mean
any game...
SO POLISH this thing up.....
and damn its OK to make mistakes..but jesus when when a NEW aptch comes otuu
and the same damn mistakes are there...simple assnine things that can EASily
be corrected...and niot fixed after one relaese then 2 release and
three?????? its just a slap in every paying customers face
FA wont last long at that rate
well hope everyone listens....
Lt_Minh
them spend the next 12 paragraphs askng for more realistic planes. Ya can't
have one without the other.
The "real" fix is to make the flight models as historically accurate as
possible. Spend a few minutes learning to fly them, and then have fun...
"AVG_Girvin_SFAC" <us...@aol.com> wrote in message
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AVG_Girvin_SFAC
no one said that planes cant go as fat as they did in real life.or turn as
well..it should just be simple to do
Don Karnage
I remember when I first started seeing Lt_Minh in ATC, and when I first
fought him he was an easy kill.....
After a few weeks he was slightly harder to kill, and as more time passed he
became better.... He was taking the time to learn the planes in ATC......
The point is, he stayed in the game and kept trying..... Maybe you should
try ATC where the planes are a bit closer to their historical
performance..... You will NEVER get true historical performance in ANY room
that does not model the complete full realistic physics model....
"Easy" physics don't exist when you are trying to make things historically
accurate, in the case of aircraft models the arcade model is never going to
be as close as the realistic model will be....... Sure you can model speed
in any physics model.... climb rate too, and lots of other things.... But
when you take away any strength or weakness that a plane had due to physics,
then you will get a very unbalanced game.......
FA2.5 is very easy to learn compared to other flight sims, the advanced
model should be more difficult, and the arcade model should remain easy....
I believe this will continue in future versions of FA.....
--
The Feared Air Pirate, Don Karnage
http://home1.gte.net/crinck/karnage/
"I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it" -- Unknown
"AVG_Girvin_SFAC" <us...@aol.com> wrote in message
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LJK_Reschke
other flight simulation games like Warbirds and Ace's High will be hurt
significantly when WW2OL gets released because of the flight model and other
aspects of the game. But the real reason is going to be the price which is
rumored to be $15 a month. More options and only a few buck a month more, I
do believe you will see many people heading there for those reasons. Also
with Ace's High they take it one step further and actually let you know what
they are working on FAR AHEAD of the week or so prior to the release and
they allow you to have input on the items in the game as long as you can get
them the documentation both supporting and disproving why a plane did or did
not fly this way. Not seeing it in here are we? I give FA a little longer
then the only reason I stick around will be the FAW series that GS_Trukk
puts on each weekend for 3 months.
LJK_Reschke
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AVG_Girvin_SFAC
the time to learn advanced..... people work 8 hours a day or more..the last
thing they want is to come home and deal with a game which is morestressfull
than work.
you can trust me...ANY flight sim that makes it TOO hard to fly will go out
of buisness. WW II online is doomed from the start for this reason..
So eryone can be a naysayer but the numbers in the rooms are ture..they show
what pople want.and sorry but is NOt ATC period...
AVG_Girvin_SFAC
to play rainbow six...I dunno....but they are leaving... so while the the
world rusts around you......the new car we all bought years ago.it aint so
new now...and its got a kjnocking in the motor.and while you can deny it
cause its a great car...its got problems..it may be time to trade in...
So yap all you want..the thing is I KNOW for certain.this game is going the
way of ultra corps. maybe not this year or next...but sooner or later..it
will........lack of real listening by vr-1
SUSF_MONGOOSE
III when FA II doesnt work very well?And all anyone needs to do is,
A:Look at the masses that were here when it was just FA 1.0 then 1.5..
Where are they now?not all in FA II...
L8rs , GOOSE
"AVG_Girvin_SFAC" <us...@aol.com> wrote in message
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SUSF_MONGOOSE
and you will be flamed beyond recognition...I do understand what you are
saying.FA's success was simply because of the simplicity of the flight
model,as you said jump in the plane and go.
L8rs , GOOSE
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SUSF_MONGOOSE
,fluidness , I dont see their planes nose's bobbing all over the place..
L8rs ,GOOSE
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AVG_Girvin_SFAC
mnoth..bt still simplicity was the king
AVG_Girvin_SFAC
heard that its going to be super rrealistic
SUSF_MONGOOSE
Well we had a definate difference of opinion in the middle of beta testing
fa 2 and from then on Fa 2 split , one was arcade the other realistic ,
still that way to this day..I always wondered how they would end fa 1.5 and
now it is clear to me , it will be its own doom as the effects of no sysops
there will do that on its own , but , oh well , twas once a great game , my
first online , and I will never forget the first friends that I met in 1.0
and 1.5 just a few short years ago ..Their will never be a game that can
replace that ...
Take it light , GOOSE
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I think you have a point about the newer people just starting out with
flight sims and a lot of others who have been here a while. But I am glad
that FA has three rooms arcade, intermediate and advanced. That helps to
keep everyone happy.
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movies. Those films are not very good IMHO. The game graphics will be
much better I hope. But I downloaded the films and played them and they
looked fuzzy to me. I use a Nvidia 256 card and a 19" sony monitor that
works fine with AH and other games such as CFS2.
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