Back at you HotDogs...
Da Pub
me
this, just what is heaven and where is heaven? Do you think the sky is
heaven? Where is and what is hell? >>> How do you think man became?
Something just happened one day and boom, we were all here<<< Answer your
own
question >>>Do you not believe that God created man in his
own image?<<<< NO i don't, but let me ask you this, Do you think this so
called god just appeared out of thin air,poof here he is. lol.
.>>Once when God made man, he did not like what he saw. So he asked
> Noah to build an Ark and take pairs of each animal on board because he
would
> flood the Earth to kill all living creatures so that man could start over
> again.<<<< Geographical and atmospheric changes happened and you and many
other lost fools
want to believe it was a god that did it...Again, very funny.
HotDogs, it is I that posses sympathy for fools like you and many others
that live their life being depressed and feeling left out, not to mention
having human faults that disgust them, that reach out for forgiveness and
guidance from a statue and/or entity to forgive them for conducting
themselves like fools and morons ( sinfulness as you so freely call it).
You have the audacity to tell me i'm a sinner and a ridiculous fool for not
believing in something that is NOT there. Take a look in the mirror and then
come back and tell me you're not the fool because you worship and believe in
folk lore and fairy tales.
You haven't the strength to live your life on your own, you are so weak
that you need to believe in foolish fairy tales, and want to believe in
someone/something is watching your every move in order to live your life in
a decent manner. FOOLISH LITTLE CHILD.
When you grow up, you too may live your life in a decent manner without
scaring yourself to death over some so called god that you think will damn
you to hell for not believing in IT. I myself need no fairy god tail, in
order to live a decent,caring and respectable life. It is my wishes that
people like yourself could conduct your lives in a decent manner WITHOUT
having fear of a god as your only reason to be a good person.
You want to thank someone for your very existence on earth? Thank your mom
and dad, and leave the kiddies stories like GOD to those that cannot live
from day to day without believing someone is watching them and judging them
like their in school or something.
Question-- Do you really believe, if a person does not believe as you do
then they MUST be sinners? You most definitely need help from someone other
than a fantasy, to get your world together.
HotDogs, if you are like most all foolish believers, then i'm sure you have
no idea when, how and why this GOD stuff was implemented into the human life
style. Most all you fools are unwilling to search out the true fact of how
it all started. >> clue for you>>>> Control - Fear - Manipulation... Go
ahead HotDogs, search for the true reason why simple man invented this
invisible deity(GOD) and why. But be prepared if you do, because the answer
may just destroy your world that have surrounded yourself with to protect
you from yourself.
Good luck in your quest.
"BBQ_HotDogs" <BBQ__H...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> My horizons are expanded. I certainly hope you WILL grow up to be as old
as
> me. Christ is coming. From the sound of you, there are issues you need to
> deal with. Christ is by no means a fantasy. He is however a Savior. He is
MY
> Savior and could be yours also if you would except him into your heart.
> Foolish? Is it foolish to believe that when I die, my spirit will go to
> Heaven? Is it foolish to believe that if you live your life of sin, you
will
> burn in Hell? How do you think man became? Something just happened one day
> and boom, we were all here. Do you not believe that God created man in his
> own image? Once when God made man, he did not like what he saw. So he
asked
> Noah to build an Ark and take pairs of each animal on board because he
would
> flood the Earth to kill all living creatures so that man could start over
> again. But the Devil work's hard too. He has you so wrapped around his
> finger, you cannot see the forest for the trees. I will pray for you Da
Pub,
> since you will not give your true nick and insist on hiding behind
something
> for whatever reason. I certainly hope you are just a misguided child that
> will one day see as I see, there IS a GOD. He is for everyone, not just
me.
> Remember God answers all prayers, it's just that sometimes the answer is
NO.
> The HotDogs
>
> "Da Pub" <Drin...@BeerHaven.com> wrote in message
> news:#3ET1pE#AHA.1888@tkmsftngp04...
> > You need to expand your horizons and leave fantasy to those that have no
> > life, oops, you are one of those people that look at statues and worship
> > them.Never mind moron bible thumper. When you grow up you to may see how
> > foolish you have become.
> >
> >
> >
> > "BBQ_HotDogs" <BBQ__H...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:#8RNuIE#AHA.1840@tkmsftngp03...
> > > Well when you get to be 8 years old, maybe then you will understand
what
> > the
> > > Lord means to you as being your Savior. Till then, hope nothing
happens
> to
> > > you cause Hell is HOT!
> > > The HotDogs
> > >
> > > "Da Pub" <Drin...@BeerHaven.com> wrote in message
> > > news:#EijMhC#AHA.2204@tkmsftngp02...
> > > > I am hell, you poor misguided fool.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "BBQ_HotDogs" <BBQ__H...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:OPHlTO$9AHA.1896@tkmsftngp05...
> > > > > Forgive thy man for he not knoweth what he has done.
> > > > > I feel so sorry for you. Your soul is destined for Hell. It is not
> the
> > > > place
> > > > > you will want to be. When God blows his trumpets for all of his
> > > believers
> > > > to
> > > > > come foreword, you will only hear the flames of Hell. Start
> investing
> > in
> > > > ice
> > > > > houses, you will need all you can get.
> > > > > The Bible Thumping HotDogs
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Da Pub" <Drin...@BeerHaven.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:#hnrfl69AHA.1668@tkmsftngp07...
> > > > > > The stress of replying to me has your panties in a bunch, reach
up
> > in
> > > > > there
> > > > > > and tickle it some more. I doubt it will help you, but give it
> your
> > > best
> > > > > > shot. Cya bible thumper.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
~Vigilante=)
"Da Pub" <Drin...@BeerHaven.com> wrote in message
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Sword
Some friends and I would sit around, higher than a kite in a hurricane,
talking religion. Someone would say,
"What if you have to work hard in heaven, and hell is just a place where you
sit around and do nothing."
Now, that's a pretty profound statement, coming from a 13-year old, wouldn't
you say? It got me thinking a lot about religion. Whose word are we to
take that heaven is a place where we live in the lap of luxury? What,
exactly, is it to be "saved" (and from what)?
Think about it this way. If you were given your choice:
You single guys and gals out there -- If Hell were a place where you could
go, have unlimited sex with willing partners (even animals for you, Mouse),
drink beer and never be hungover, sleep till whenever you wanted to and wake
up and do it all over again, would you want to go there IF Heaven were a
place where you worked, didn't have sex (you're not married... No nookie for
you), didn't drink beer, woke up at the crack of dawn (ref: early to bed,
early to rise prose) and fluttered around, which would you choose?
You married guys and gals out there -- If Hell were a place you could go
back to a time in your life with your spouse and spend that time when you
had sex like rabbits, didn't want for anything, didn't have to work for
anything and felt like a young "million bucks", would you go there IF Heaven
were the place where you worked, had sex only for the purposes of
reproduction (which is completely ludicrous since reproduction is a cellular
action), couldn't say bad words and couldn't drink beer, which would you
choose?
Some people look at Heaven as a place where you are free. Hell is thought
of as a place where you're tortured on a daily basis. Well guess what?
Some people here on Earth like to be tortured, so wouldn't your vision of
Hell be their vision of Heaven? Does the view of morality in a society
outweigh the view of morality by an individual?
*stir, stir, stir*
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Newsgroup Chairman
Kambei_7
And can make a hell of heaven,
A heaven of hell. " (sic)
"Better to rule in hell than serve in heaven."
kam/def
Milton Rules!
Zepplin_435th
But I do know this. There is a god and a jesus.
If you lived my life you would know it to.
I admitt I live outside the rules of Christian life
as I have lived outside the rules of most things
my entire life, but I do look over my shoulder.
I could list all the times something really bad
should have happened to me from the corp
all the way through partying through college.
But sumtin always saved me.
Now I enjoy a family of 5 and complete freedom
and I scratch my head as to why do I deserve this?
Maybe god wants me here to make pps pay for
being such a weenie........maybe sumtin else.
All I know is that you may not believe in him, but
I think ya do and that you made this post cuz
somewhere in the back of your mind your scared
and your hoping hotdogs can help ya. I feel by the
tense of your post you feel cheated in life and are saying
how can there be a god? But now i'm rambling but Believe you
me there is a god. Hopefully one day I'll learn to live by his rules
even though I truly doubt it, but I'm the one who will pay huh.
Oh and just for shit sakes just go outside and look up at the stars
and try to figure out this How can space never end? When did
it all begin? Science can figure it out...........Can you?
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Thunder_Princes
but what of dante and the gates of hell? or hieronymous bosch and the garden
of earthly delights?
milton, like most, can b a double edged "sword" HAHAHA ;)
peaceout, tp
Kambei_7 <Kamb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Da Pub
the personality changes you have been going through lately and i'm here ta
tell ya that you need to be a bit more focused and a lot less wavering in
your life dude. lmao j/k All jokes set aside bud, SNAP OUT OF IT !!!
lol
"Zepplin_435th" <jbal...@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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Zepplin_435th
"Da Pub" <Drin...@BeerHaven.com> wrote in message
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Kambei_7
guiding in Heaven for some reason.
Dante just doesn't quote as well in English as Milton. All those triplets
lose something in the translation. And its not just the rhyme. Besides,
Dante is so specific to his time and place that you usually need a page of
footnotes to explain every triplet.
Never was much of a Bosch fan.
kam/def
Da Pub
the grove. A beer a day keeps da twitching away.
"Zepplin_435th" <jbal...@neo.rr.com> wrote in message
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Zepplin_435th
critical condition in the hospital, and doc says theres
nothing we can do. Who do ya turn to then or do ya buy
into this crap "well she, he etc.. was an organism on this planet
thats time has expired, so I guess I'll go home and fire up the ole grill.
I dont think so!
Been there done that.
I'll not repost to this.......
I hope this thread ends quick!
"Da Pub" <Drin...@BeerHaven.com> wrote in message
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Thunder_Princes
Kam... i thought u would b a suckah for hard anything, including art ;)
hehehe
peaceout, tp
Kambei_7 <Kamb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Thunder_Princes
genetic makeup that us earthlings deem homosapien
something might b similar... but i dont think there r a pile of "us humans"
on another planet. the event horizon is to dam big for identicalnessness
i like making up words like identicalness and adding extra stuff LoL
makes me feel smart to use big words hahaha
peaceout, the ever opinionated, princessa
~Vigilante=) <kew...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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Kambei_7
bowlers don't thrill me. Too Warholish.
I'm a bit more plebian in my art taste TP. Post Expressionist is my niche.
I'm a big Van Gogh and Seurat fan. I like a lot of Picasso's work too.
Especially Guernica.
But there's a Van Gogh at the quiet center of my universe.
kam/def
Thunder_Princes
fire up the grill, usually the ones in pain r the ones left behind trying to
make sense of their own life dynamics. the ones gone r just that... i dont
talk about the implied "other side" because there seems to b no imperical
evidence to define what happens.
from a logical perspective one might consider the following:
"if god is not, whether u lead ur life piously or sinfully is immaterial.
but suppose that god is. then if u bet against the existence of god by
refusing to live a life of piety and sacraments you run the risk of eternal
damnation; the winner of the bet that god exists has the possibility of
salvation. as salvation is clearly preferable to eternal damnation, (and no,
eternal damnation does not mean a big party of bacchnalian proportions ~
nice try sword LoL) the correct decision is to act on the basis that god
is."*
which, being an atheist myself, i find difficult to accept from an emotional
standpoint but from a purely rational standpoint... i dont see a better
argument regarding belief. (note this is a non-demoninational belief system
we describe)
* with the exception of the parenthetical expression the quotation is
credited to peter l bernstein*
peaceout, princess
Thunder_Princes
TELL ME !!!! tell me its sunflowers or cypress trees.... PLS dont tell me
its a don mclean thang !!!
and its k to like plebian art... having any opinion about art at all is more
than most conjure up!
seurat and pointillism... never would have guessed that just because its
stylistically more disjointed (unless one is high HAHA) compared to the
more classical post impressionist interpretations...
guernica is da bomb... suprises me u can go there
lets talk kenneth clark and nudes.......... ya baby !!!!! ;)
ur breadth and depth on occassion is quite suprising to me... rather nice =]
personally speaking, my depth is all about shallow ! yum yum yum but heck,
i think u go there too ! muhahahahaha
peaceout, tp
Kambei_7 <Kamb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Kambei_7
I love how the christian ethos mangages to work around the inconsistancies
between the Old and New Testament Gods. Wrathful, vengful destroyer of
infidels on one hand, and kind, forgiving savior on the other. God sounds
awful schizo to me.
If there is a God, I would hope that such a Supreme Being would be so far
above our petty existance that he would be pure benevolence. My God would
be an indifferent being. Thinking that such an entity would care about
whether you kicked the neighbor's dog is like us getting upset over the
death of plankton in an anemonie's tentacles. Heck, I don't think we'd even
rate that high in the grand scheme of the unverse(s).
kam/def
Zepplin_435th
for ur sake I hope u r right if not there will a pig roast
in hell sorry dude but man I thought
of al people.........you........would at least..........
good luck to ya bro
"Kambei_7" <Kamb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Da Pub
fat one, just to go to school the next day with still red eye's and a much
more open mind to reality. Thought the very same things lol. I came to the
conclusion that all humans that live on earth will be joined TOGETHER after
death (the good and the bad) , because what is life on earth anyway? It's
the opportunity to enjoy feelings, emotions, ambitions, achievements,
failures, humiliation, fear, love, pain and hate. All things that a pure
energy source could never posses. Without all these, humans could never
truly be alive and therefore could never fully appreciate LIFE.
I was 6 years old and at church one Sunday, when I read about how GOD took
sides between two groups of humans that were about to battle.
Even at the age of 6 I was totally knocked back in my chair when I realized
that GOD was a very BAD example of what a good human should be like.If I had
a GOD that were a true GOD, he would never take sides of ANY human, he would
bring humans together and not help destroy which ever side pissed him off...
From that day forth, I knew without a doubt, that GOD was no true entity,
but rather a tool created by humans for humans to rule humans. I realized
from then on that all mankind was actually the entity of which they prayed
to and that all mankind posses within themselves what they are searching
for, but are unable to see themselves for what they truly are, and shall
spend eternity searching for what is right in front of us. So I realized
also that mankind was afraid to accept the fact that we are what we seek,
for if only a GOD could create life, then our quest is answered. We humans
CREATE LIFE and we HUMANS CAN PUT THE LIGHT OF LIFE OUT.
We will all continue to be lost until the day comes that we all accept the
fact that we and we alone are responsible for our actions and only we can
forgive ourselves and we must all accept and live with our mistakes and our
mistakes can never be brushed aside by praying to a statue or an imaginary
entity.
Rammer <---- says, live long and prosper.
"Sword" <Sw...@knightssquadron.remove_this_spam_line.com> wrote in message
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Thunder_Princes
denomination) include dogmatic syntax... it seems obvious to me that "all
gods" would "judge" based upon their own centric belief system.
have u ever read "the battle for god" kam? (by karen armstrong) i know i
recommended it before in FANG... dunno if u saw it. a very interesting
treatise on the resurgance of modern day religious fundamentalism and the
notion that "mythos" and "logos" re: religion have some new
interpretations/crossover.... u know, everything old is new again LoL
been trying to get a post through regarding art history but it hasnt worked
yet dagnabbit !!! stay tuned to find the one in response to ur picasso, van
gogh, and seurat ;)
peaceout, tp
Kambei_7 <Kamb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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BBQ_Steak
Sit.
Stay.......
"Kambei_7" <Kamb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Kambei_7
have yet to read it. I'm writing it down this time.
Kam/def
Thunder_Princes
him through all his history courses however (lol english is his 3rd
language) but i did take some bitchin physics courses there... the list of
universities i have attended is somewhat long...
lets play... i am sure i can b beaten here... this is my list:;
Simmons College (graduate)
MIT
Harvard (peabody museum of archeology and ethnography ~ internship)
American University
Boston University
Georgetown University
University of Washington
Seattle Art Museum (internship)
too long ago however... i would like to go back for some serious studying
again somewhere... i just need a grant LoL
peaceout! tp
_BANZAI_Mutton <sp...@iswiz.com> wrote in message
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> Damned MIT weenies. ;)
>
> - Mutton
Thunder_Princes
someone is watching u know... and its ME ME ME hehehhe
peaceout, tp
ps - truth b told i am have nearly finished the read... still a lil ways to
go. i am a multiple book reader so it takes me a while LoL iffins u want i
will ship it to ya kam =] (mostly cause i want ur address HAHAHAHA)
peaceout, tp
Kambei_7 <Kamb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Kambei_7
US Coast Guard Academy
Carnegie Mellon University
UNLV
Just a bit of a drop off there at the end.... :)
kam/def
Thunder_Princes
heavens that man has some dark circles !!!
peaceout! tp
Thunder_Princes
TELL ME !!!! tell me its sunflowers or cypress trees.... PLS dont tell me
its a don mclean thang !!!
and its k to like plebian art... having any opinion about art at all is more
than most conjure up!
seurat and pointillism... never would have guessed that just because its
stylistically more disjointed (unless one is high HAHA) compared to the
more classical post impressionist interpretations...
guernica is da bomb... suprises me u can go there
lets talk kenneth clark and nudes.......... ya baby !!!!! ;)
ur breadth and depth on occassion is quite suprising to me... rather nice =]
personally speaking, my depth is all about shallow ! yum yum yum but hell,
i think u go there too ! muhahahahaha
peaceout, tp
Kambei_7 <Kamb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Kambei_7
Etoilee" if I want starry Van Gogh. Not Sunflowers or cypress trees either,
though both are also great. The Van Gogh that occupies my spiritual center
is Irises. "View of Arle with Irises" has been my permanent wallpaper at
work since, well... forever. "Irises" and "Iris" along with "Arle" form my
holy Van Gogh trinity. "The Olive Trees" and "Olive Orchard" aren't too
shabby either, and any of the "Anemone" works are quite satisfying. I could
go on at length about why these paintings ring my bell, but I'd be typing
all night.
I'm glad you read what I meant and not what I typed. "Expressionism" must
have been a Freudian slip. Macke and Marc are way up there on my list.
I guess you can see that color and composition are what grab me. Like I
said. Plebian.
I'm not really familiar with Kenneth Clark. You'll have to educate me.
If you want to talk nudes... How about Olivia? More what you'd expect from
me?
I'm pleased that I can provide you with an occaisional surprise or two TP.
Remember, I'm a hedonist in every sense of the word. I believe in indulging
myself in both the physical and the metaphysical.
No path is too low or too high to travel in my quest for gratification.
Speaking of that... I'm planning a trip to Bangkok over Thanksgiving. :p
kam/def
Kambei_7
Tark though, and I used to know a guy who provided many of his players with
uh.. never mind.
kam/def
Thunder_Princes
;)
big brother is watching hehehe
peaceout and nite nite to u all, tp
Kambei_7 <Kamb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Kambei_7
another profile I have. My last reply doesn't show up here either. Did you
get my "Homage to Van Gogh" reply to your "Starry Night" question TP? The
FANG seems a bit flakey tonight.
Kam/def
panama_joe1
PJ
Da Pub <Drin...@BeerHaven.com> wrote in message
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Thunder_Princes
TELL ME !!!! tell me its sunflowers or cypress trees.... PLS dont tell me
its a don mclean thang !!!
and its k to like plebian art... having any opinion about art at all is more
than most conjure up!
seurat and pointillism... never would have guessed that just because its
stylistically more disjointed (unless one is high HAHA) compared to the
more classical post impressionist interpretations...
guernica is da bomb... suprises me u can go there
lets talk kenneth clark and nudes.......... ya baby !!!!! ;)
ur breadth and depth on occassion is quite suprising to me... rather nice =]
personally speaking, my depth is all about shallow ! yum yum yum but hell,
i think u go there too ! muhahahahaha
peaceout, tp
Kambei_7 <Kamb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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NinerSevenTango
--97T--
And if you don't believe, I will tell the man behind the curtain, then
you'll really be in trouble.
"Da Pub" <Drin...@BeerHaven.com> wrote in message
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NinerSevenTango
Package deal alert! Two in one, in fact. First, pious vs sinful is a false
comparison. There might be good vs evil, or pious vs non- religious. But
being religious is assumed to be the opposite of sinful here. No evidence
to support that. (It could be stated as an arbitrary assertion, and could
be argued about, but it was snuck in here in order to skew the argument onto
the basis of such an arbitrary assertion.) Second, if we let that slide,
and allow the argument to proceed on the premise that if there is no god
then it does not matter whether you lead your life good or evil, then we
have to accept that good vs evil have no meaning outside the context of some
supernatural entity. This does not follow from any observational experience
at all. Actually, whether you lead your life based on evil or good is very
material indeed! Outside the context of any other entity at all.
The rest of the argument is then based on the above false and arbitrarily
asserted premises.
But, if I were a betting man, I would take that bet, based on my
observational experience that;
I have never known of or heard of anyone suffering eternal damnation, (in
fact I don't know anyone that was damned by a god, and I don't know whether
eternity is over yet so we could know whether the damnation was eternal),
I have never known or heard of anyone suffering salvation either.
Anyone who wishes to assert such damnation or salvation is welcomed to bring
any evidence of such to bear, and as with everything I will consider the
evidence and decide on the basis of reality.
--97T--
Sorry, not college edicated 'tall.
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Kambei_7
TP,
BBQ_Wabbit
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Good for you. Ever take any Historical Geology courses?
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Sword
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It's true. Just ask him.
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