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 More options Jul 27 2007, 4:38 am
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.exchange.admin
From: Diadem Support <Diadem Supp...@discussions.microsoft.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 01:38:01 -0700
Local: Fri, Jul 27 2007 4:38 am
Subject: RE: Exchange --> Greylisting
Hi,

I totally agree with this problem as we are using qmail with greylisting
enabled. Some of our client complaints that they sometimes don’t receive
mails from the domains running MS Exchange SMTP Server. But we have found
records in Greylisting database and Server SMTP connection log but not the
mail.

But this is hard to find a relevant solution.

Thanks & Regards,
Diadem Support

"Yizhar Hurwitz" wrote:
> HI.

> I had the same problem that was mentioned here before:
> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.exchange.admin/browse...

> For those who doesn't know - greylisting is used on some mail servers to
> tempfail first attempt of an email, asking the sending server to retry later.

> In short (more details will follow) - Exchange 2003 SP2 failes to re-queue
> messages sent to some servers that implement greylisting.
> This does not happen all the time (some messages go through but sometimes it
> fails).
> When the problem happens, those emails are hidden in some kind of a black
> hole, and the sender does not get an NDR nor Delay notification, even after
> those timeouts expire.
> Such messsages can remain "lost" for days or even weeks, until the SMTP or
> Information Store service is restarted.
> After a restart of SMTP service, Exchange suddenly finds those lost emails
> (I guess they were in the Mailbox Store), and retries to send them or returns
> NDR to the sender.

> I have just openned a PSS case about this and working with Microsoft.
> However this issue is not easy to re-produce, so I would like to get
> feedback from you as well.

> My questions to you -
> Have you encountered similar problems, such as users complaining that they
> got NDR for a message they sent 2 weeks before, or that the recipient calls
> them and tell them "why did I got now and email you sent a week ago?"
> (And you find out that the recipient server uses greylisting).

> Meanwhile I have found those workarounds and currently I don't have the
> problem, but it still needs further investigations:

> Workaround 1: Send emails to greylisting domains via an ISP Smart Host
> (using SMTP connector).

> Workaround 2: Use scheduled tasks to restart SMTP service every day.

> Workaround 3: Change SMTP virtual server retry timeouts (this does not seem
> to help but I changed it anyway to values you can see below).

> Here is a more detailed report that I have also sent to Microsoft PSS:

> When sending outgoing email to mail server that implement greylisting,
> sometimes Exchange retries the message later (as expected),
> but sometimes Exchange simply does not retry delivery ,
> and neither sends NDR nor Delay notification to the sender.
> Two weeks later when I restart the SMTP service for installing security
> updates (such as IMF updates),
> then Exchange tries again to send those "lost" messages.

> The problem seems sporadic - sometime it works, sometimes it doesn't, with
> the same configuration.

> The problem appears with several different destination domains. The common
> thing is that all of them use greylisting.

> Description of the server
> A single server with the following software:
> Primary roles = DC + Exchange + File server.
> Windows 2003 Standard SP1 (upgarded from win2000 about 1 year ago).
> DC + DNS + FSMO ROLES (This is the only DC in the network).
> Exchange 2003 SP2 with IMF configured and enabled.
> Symatec Corporate 10.0.2 (file protection) + SMSMSE 5.0.1.208 (mail
> protection).

> Connection to the internet:
> Cisco PIX 501 firewall ver 6.3(1)
> ADSL line to the ISP (PPPoE).
> ISP name = Bezeq International (www.bezeqint.net)

> DNS settings:
> The same server is an internal DNS server, and uses ISP servers as
> "forwarders" .

> SMTP connector settings:
> Send using DNS (the default).

> SMTP virtual server settings (related to the issue):
> Logging = NCSA common log file format.
> Delivery retry interval (I have change the defaults):
> First retry = 1 minute
> Second retry = 2 minutes
> Third retry = 15 minutes
> Subsequent retry = 30 minutes
> Delay notification = 1 hours
> Expiration timeout = 2 days

> --
> Yizhar Hurwitz
> http://yizhar.mvps.org

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