10 Reasons Why PHP is Better than ASP
Ali Bobo
2. If you have a problem, someone will have already implemented a
solution in PHP for you
3. Syntax is better, closer to C, C++, and Java. Unlike VB where
anything goes.
4. To run ASP you need IIS on windows, which is not free, for PHP
however you need Linux and Apache which are FREE!!
5. Great built in support for ftp, email, graphics package GD2 and
also MySQL (also FREE).
6. PHP will run on Unix, Linux, Solaris and Windows. ASP is mainly
only Windows associated but you can use it on linux with additional
modules installed.
7. PHP code is much faster, ASP is developed on the COM based
architecture, this is an overhead for the server.
8. mod_rewrite, need I say more.
9. Advanced Perl-compatible regular expression functions and loads
of built in support for regular expressions on the whole.
10. Greater control over error handling, and more detailed error
messages.
http://www.hwhappy.co.uk/2006/11/30/why-php-is-better-than-asp/
Toby A Inkster
> 2. If you have a problem, someone will have already implemented a
> solution in PHP for you
Although PHP is one of my favourite programming languages, I do think that
some of these reasons are not so good, so feel I should "correct" some of
them, or at least further elaborate.
Regarding point #2, yes, that's often the case, but half the time their
solution is junk and needs extensive rewrites to remove obvious security
flaws. The reason there's so many free PHP scripts out there is because
there's millions of PHP scripters out there. It may come as a shock to
some of you, but not all of them are geniuses.
> 3. Syntax is better, closer to C, C++, and Java. Unlike VB where
> anything goes.
PHP's syntax is better because it's closer to C? If anything, similarity
to C's syntax should be classed as a disadvantage. C is a step up above
assembly, but that's all that can be said in its favour.
Of the C-like languages, C#, Java and Javascript are far more elegant in
syntax than PHP. But if you want to see a language with a truly nice
syntax, check out AppleScript.
Besides which, ASP.NET (the latest incarnation of ASP) is a container
format which supports the use of various different languages within it.
Sure, VB is common, but so is Javascript. Perl within ASP is not unheard
of. It's even possible to script PHP within ASP.
> 4. To run ASP you need IIS on windows, which is not free, for PHP
> however you need Linux and Apache which are FREE!!
You do not need either Linux or Apache for PHP. There are various other
operating systems and web servers that will run it. I happen to do a lot
of my testing on Apache for Max OS X. PHP will even run on IIS on Windows.
Whatsmore, there are various alternative implementations of ASP, some of
which are free. However, much like with C#, a lot of people rely on
specific quirks and extensions of Microsoft's implementation, so the
result will not run on the alternative implementations.
> 5. Great built in support for ftp, email, graphics package GD2 and
> also MySQL (also FREE).
MySQL is a pretty crummy database though.
> 6. PHP will run on Unix, Linux, Solaris and Windows. ASP is mainly
> only Windows associated but you can use it on linux with additional
> modules installed.
Contradicting point #4 yourself now.
> 7. PHP code is much faster, ASP is developed on the COM based
> architecture, this is an overhead for the server.
COM-based ASP is pretty old. ASP.NET pages can be pre-compiled, allowing
very fast execution.
PHP scripts can be cached in a compiled form if you use eAccelerator or
similar, but this functionality will not be included in PHP by default
until 6.0 is released.
> 8. mod_rewrite, need I say more.
mod_rewrite is written in C, not PHP.
> 9. Advanced Perl-compatible regular expression functions and loads
> of built in support for regular expressions on the whole.
VBScript as of version 5 (which is quite old now) supports regular
expressions, but they're pretty limited compared to Perl's regexs.
However, as I said earlier, ASP is not just limited to VBScript. Perl will
happily run within ASP, and Perl's regexs are certainly Perl-compatible!
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[Geek of HTML/SQL/Perl/PHP/Python/Apache/Linux]
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Steve
"Ali Bobo" <1001...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> 1. PHP.NET the greatest API resource known to MAN
completely relative statement. i can safely assume you've not experienced
*all* api's known to man!
> 2. If you have a problem, someone will have already implemented a
> solution in PHP for you
and this is in contrast to the support and examples/solutions afforded asp?
think again.
> 3. Syntax is better, closer to C, C++, and Java. Unlike VB where
> anything goes.
uhhhh, php is just as loose as asp - which is *vb script* NOT VB. asp.net,
however, is more OOP capable than php AND forces strong data-typing. troll.
as for which stylistic preference you have in writing code, who gives a
fuck?!!!
> 4. To run ASP you need IIS on windows, which is not free, for PHP
> however you need Linux and Apache which are FREE!!
sorry, wrong again! i can run asp on linux boxes running apache. that
technology is at least 8 years old, idiot.
> 5. Great built in support for ftp, email, graphics package GD2 and
> also MySQL (also FREE).
and, asp has *greater* built in support for these and more. last time i
checked, ms was giving asp.net AND a world-class IDE for it's development
away...i.e. FREE.
next dumbass remark?
> 6. PHP will run on Unix, Linux, Solaris and Windows. ASP is mainly
> only Windows associated but you can use it on linux with additional
> modules installed.
which completely bastardizes your statement number 4...along with mooting
itself in the process. are you that brain-dead?
> 7. PHP code is much faster, ASP is developed on the COM based
> architecture, this is an overhead for the server.
and what version of asp are you talking about? the one from 8 years ago? asp
as of right now can backwardly support com. it's architecture is completely
OOP based and everything runs from a NON-COM based framework. asp performs
equally in speed to php and in a lot of cases, outperforms it. one of the
benefits of a company that creates a web language and also providing the os
on which it will run, the functionality is built into the kernel itself.
> 8. mod_rewrite, need I say more.
the answer is, you need to say something that applies. mod_rewrite is
apache, not php. as i can run asp via apache, your point is moot...again!
> 9. Advanced Perl-compatible regular expression functions and loads
> of built in support for regular expressions on the whole.
funny how think, or imply, that asp and regex are strangers to eachother.
specifically, if i develop a vb < .net application, i have to reference the
*scripting* library (you know, the web version of vb) in order to use regex.
asp has *always* supported regex...vb.net is the first time regex was
directly supported, without COM, in vb. geee, why would that be? because NO
NEW LANGUAGES BY MS HAVE A COM ARCHITECTURES.
> 10. Greater control over error handling, and more detailed error
> messages.
last i checked, try/catch/finally was introduced to asp around the same time
it was supported in php. and, since it's the same construct, how do you
suppose php has greater control. further, both php and asp allow you to
generate customer error messages. as for the defined errors, i can only
laugh. leave out a semi-colon in php, run the page in the browser and tell
me exactly what the error means...not to mention WHERE the *actual* error
is. ROFLMFAO !!!
and, btw, when could you ever seemlessly integrate external resources (not
just modules) into php. oh shit! you mean you had to use COM(). lol. in asp,
if an api exists, i can consume it.
how easy is it to set up php for debugging?
can you use vb, c#, c, c++, or any one of 23 others to develop a php
solution?
can you switch, in code, mid-stream to from one language to another?
if you have no clue as to the technology against which you are making
comparisons, how the fuck can you expect to be taken seriously?!!! further,
how can you ever expect to pick the right tool for the job...which is
COMPLETELY what makes one better than the other! it's all relative to
changing factors that you don't even consider, troll.
Tim Slattery
>> 3. Syntax is better, closer to C, C++, and Java. Unlike VB where
>> anything goes.
>
>PHP's syntax is better because it's closer to C? If anything, similarity
>to C's syntax should be classed as a disadvantage. C is a step up above
>assembly, but that's all that can be said in its favour.
I VASTLY prefer C, C++, java, e to VB or any of its variants. Of
course your can use Javascript for ASP pages, which removes this
objection.e to script PHP within ASP.
>> 4. To run ASP you need IIS on windows, which is not free, for PHP
>> however you need Linux and Apache which are FREE!!
>
>You do not need either Linux or Apache for PHP. There are various other
>operating systems and web servers that will run it.
Exactly, that's what OP really mant to say. ASP is proprietary, it
runs only on Windows/IIS. PHP runs anywhere.
--
Tim Slattery
MS MVP(Shell/User)
Slatt...@bls.gov
http://members.cox.net/slatteryt
Juan T. Llibre
!> ASP is proprietary, it runs only on Windows/IIS. PHP runs anywhere.
Not so.
Grasshopper enables you to produce .NET Web and server applications that
run on Linux & other Java-enabled platforms using ASP.NET 2.0 controls,
role-based security, and C# generics.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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"Tim Slattery" <Slatt...@bls.gov> wrote in message news:idsso31jbcrf46jhr...@4ax.com...
Mark
ASP, ASP.Net and PHP. Have to admit the experience with PHP made me vow
never to use it again...
"Toby A Inkster" wrote:
> Ali Bobo wrote:
>
> > 2. If you have a problem, someone will have already implemented a
> > solution in PHP for you
>
> Regarding point #2, yes, that's often the case, but half the time their
> solution is junk and needs extensive rewrites to remove obvious security
> flaws. The reason there's so many free PHP scripts out there is because
> there's millions of PHP scripters out there. It may come as a shock to
> some of you, but not all of them are geniuses.
There's that... And there's the fact that many of the modules written into
the php engine are not built by geniuses either. Many are not thread safe
and unless you're running in an apache-mode (every request siloed to a
separate process) you pretty much take your life in your hands.
And then there's the crappy release environment that comes with linux. The
test box I had was a version of linux that was about 9 months old at the
time. It came with php 4 from Redhat even though php 5 had been out a couple
of years by then. (a sys admin told me Redhat muddies the waters even further
by making their own mods to the "open source" packages they bundle, so their
versions aren't the same everyone else gets.
I was supposed to test php 5, since it was supposed to have great new
features, but you couldn't *get* an rpm for a version of linux 9 months old.
The user groups all said that it was *unreasonable* to expect an rpm for
linux that old. They wanted me to upgrade linux with a clean install. For
php.
So I tried downloading the source and building from scratch. About 1/3 of
the modules going into php wouldn't build from source. About a week blown to
debugging other people's great open source stuff.
> > 5. Great built in support for ftp, email, graphics package GD2 and
> > also MySQL (also FREE).
>
> MySQL is a pretty crummy database though.
MySql's not such a crummy database, but it does have a *lot* of quirks. You
pretty much have to throw out everything you ever knew about query
optimization for MySql. And to the OP's point, it's free.
Of course, the .Net framework has a lot of the other doodads the OP
mentioned in it, plus there's an open source community to fill in around the
edges.
> > 7. PHP code is much faster, ASP is developed on the COM based
> > architecture, this is an overhead for the server.
>
> COM-based ASP is pretty old. ASP.NET pages can be pre-compiled, allowing
> very fast execution.
>
> PHP scripts can be cached in a compiled form if you use eAccelerator or
> similar, but this functionality will not be included in PHP by default
> until 6.0 is released.
That was one of the interesting parts of my tests, actually. I didn't
spring for Zend Accelerator (which goes against the OP's point about
everything being free), so my timing numbers were pretty much php
out-of-the-box vs the others.
I found that as long as you could keep everything in the underlying c
libraries, php was really fast, but if most of your work was in the script,
php fell *way* behind ASP.Net, slightly behind ASP, finishing only ahead of
Mono which was a dog on all the tests.
Then there's the bastardization-of-perl (and perl is a bastardization of c,
bourne shell, sed and awk) syntax of php which I find personally repellent.
More recently, I went to a conference for SugarCRM, a product written
entirely in php. You heard the ususal open source mantras of "rock solid,
fast and free" but all the questions in every user group session were "why is
it so slow?" and "why don't you fix your bugs?"
Mark
Andy B
me to create 20k worth of php scripts for a website, I have created a 19.5mb
website with better design and security. I was on a few mailing lists where
people claimed that php was "secure". From my results, it is about the most
open to hackers I can find. I had people tell me to keep all of the php
files "outside" the web root and it will be secure. If they didnt know, most
webhosts you pay for wont let you outside the web root. Anyways...off the
soapbox...
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Steve
Leon Mayne
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>of
> ASP, ASP.Net and PHP. Have to admit the experience with PHP made me vow
> never to use it again...
I code for a site written in PHP and although it is very fast, it's a
nightmare to work with. It's perfect for beginners and linux zealots who
code in their bedroom by themselves, but when you start trying to do team
development with it it becomes a nightmare.
MySQL is also fast and free, but so is SQL Express. The 4Gb database limit
hasn't been much of an issue to me yet. The stored procedure functionality
in MySQL is incredibly basic and irritating to use, and if you are stuck
with a MySQL <= v4 server then you'll have to use ad-hoc queries for
everything. Something I hate doing.
Anthony Jones
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SQL Express isn't very scalable though so it wouldn't be useful on a busy
site. I don't know anything about MySQL but I doubt it has the deliberate
connection limit that Express has. If you need to deliver a DB intensive
site at minimal cost then an open source DB such as MySQL would be worth
consideration. However, the potential extra hours of effort to get a
reliable and perfomant solution when using something like MySQL as opposed
to SQL Server standard ought not be overlooked as cost.
--
Anthony Jones - MVP ASP/ASP.NET
Leon Mayne
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> SQL Express isn't very scalable though so it wouldn't be useful on a busy
> site. I don't know anything about MySQL but I doubt it has the deliberate
> connection limit that Express has. If you need to deliver a DB intensive
> site at minimal cost then an open source DB such as MySQL would be worth
> consideration. However, the potential extra hours of effort to get a
> reliable and perfomant solution when using something like MySQL as opposed
> to SQL Server standard ought not be overlooked as cost.
No, you wouldn't use SQL Express on a big site, unless you wanted to start
small and when the money started coming in and the database size increases
you could buy SQL Server Standard (or workgroup) and install it, and then
migrate your database onto it.
There are better free open source databases than MySQL though, like
http://www.postgresql.org/ people just tend to advocate MySQL because it's
easier to use.
Anthony Jones
> "Anthony Jones" <A...@yadayadayada.com> wrote in message
> news:enPcl2OW...@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> > SQL Express isn't very scalable though so it wouldn't be useful on a
busy
> > site. I don't know anything about MySQL but I doubt it has the
deliberate
> > connection limit that Express has. If you need to deliver a DB
intensive
> > site at minimal cost then an open source DB such as MySQL would be worth
> > consideration. However, the potential extra hours of effort to get a
> > reliable and perfomant solution when using something like MySQL as
opposed
> > to SQL Server standard ought not be overlooked as cost.
>
> No, you wouldn't use SQL Express on a big site, unless you wanted to start
> small and when the money started coming in and the database size increases
> you could buy SQL Server Standard (or workgroup) and install it, and then
> migrate your database onto it.
>
Its not the size that is really important, its the concurrent connection
limit. You would need put extra effort in upfront to ensure your site coped
with Expresses limitations gracefully (so that will be cost). Also how well
a site responds as it gets busy may well be a factor in whether it is
successful or not in the first place. It would be shame if the use of
Express was the reason it failed to succeed.
You might use SQL Express for a beta but should consider very carefully
whether you want public deployment to run on Express.
> There are better free open source databases than MySQL though, like
> http://www.postgresql.org/ people just tend to advocate MySQL because it's
> easier to use.
>
True but then the extra effort needed to use postgresql is again cost.
Ali Bobo
wrote:
Interesting points you've made.
Thank you
Ali Bobo
> "Ali Bobo" <1001w...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I just copy&pasted it, from the link at the bottom.
You are quite right and I thank you for your valuable opinion.
I have several friends that have opted for ASP over PHP and I wanted
to understand the reasons.
Just two more questions:
1- Do you actually prefer ASP to PHP?
2- A bit off-topic but, What do you make of this statement?:
The paragraphs below describes W3Schools' vision about future
Internet Distributed Applications:
"Executables, C++ (and Java too) must die
Neither C++ nor Java can ever create standard components that can run
on all computers. There is no room for these languages in future
distributed applications. Executables are not standard. COM objects
are not standard, DLL-files are not standard. Registry settings are
not standard. INI-files are not standard. None of these components
must be allowed to destroy your dream of a standard distributed
application that will run on almost any computer in the world."
http://www.w3schools.com/ngws/ngws_standards.asp
Ted Dawson
> limit.
I can't find the documentation on that... can you point the way?
Chris Shepherd
> A couple of years ago, I was charged with producing a comparitive analysis of
> ASP, ASP.Net and PHP. Have to admit the experience with PHP made me vow
> never to use it again...
After reading your post it seems like the absolute worst-case scenario -- a
person with little to no actual knowledge of how to run (or write apparently)
PHP inside an unfamiliar environment is tasked with writing an objective analysis.
If you had such issues with RedHat, why not just slap it on Apache on Windows?
I'm all for pointing out the flaws in a particular language, but that's not
really what you did, and it's very clear from the wording you use you were
biased against it from the beginning.
The real issue though is that threads like these serve very little purpose.
Posting how PHP is better than ASP on an ASP discussion group is obviously just
going to generate posters saying the opposite, just as you'd expect if the
situations were reversed. I have gripes about both PHP and ASP because I'm
familiar with both and frequently write for both.
Call me crazy, but I use whatever makes sense at the time. If I'm developing and
my target platform is Linux, I'm likely to invest my time into solutions that
I'm familiar with and work well on that platform. It boils down to using what works.
I think any reasonable developer would do the same.
Chris.
mark4asp
Not because it's easier to use, but because there are such a huge
number of hosts offering very cheap LAMP hosting.
Postgresql had been around for donkey's years but dinosaur web hosts
continue to offer only mySQL. Laught you got to, to stop from crying.
Oh yeah, and why no Firebird database hosting? Given that both
Firebird and Postgresql are as free as mySQL and both vastly superior
it seems very perverse that web development should be determined why
what cheap web hosts offer rather than what developers want!
I looked at php and thought it better than asp but not a patch on
asp.net, especially now that we have the MVC. If I had to do fully open
source development I would use Ruby on Rails which is vastly superior
to php.
Jerry Stuckle
All of this are the opinions of one or two people who put together a web
site. Nothing more, nothing less. It is worth exactly what you paid
for it.
Of course not everything's standard. That's because different people
have different needs. And it will always remain that way.
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Juan T. Llibre
!> SQL Express isn't very scalable though so it wouldn't be useful on a busy site.
I don't know what you call "scalable", but I can tell you that I was boxed on
the ears by the SQL Server 2005 program manager for saying precisely that.
The PM said that SQL Express could take a large number of concurrent hits and not choke.
See Joel on Software's take on this :
http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?biz.5.481914.11
<quote>
SQL Server Express 2005 _is_ the real SQL server. Unlike MSDE, its throughput is not crippled by a "governor"
(see http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms165672.aspx and
http://blogs.msdn.com/euanga/archive/2006/03/09/545576.aspx ).
The Express edition has limits on database size, ram usage (affects caching etc) and
number of CPUs (it cannot take advantage of multiple CPUs). If you can live within
those limits (and many systems probably can) then it will meet your needs just fine.
P.S. It also lacks some advanced features (e.g. full text search)
See http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnsse/html/sseoverview.asp
</quote>
I.O.W., a site would have to be a *really* busy site for it to outgrow SQL Express.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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Juan T. Llibre
> I can't find the documentation on that... can you point the way?
There isn't any documentation on that, because there is no such animal.
SQL Express doesn't have a governor controlling concurrent connections.
MSDE has one, but SQL Express doesn't.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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Juan T. Llibre
!> Its not the size that is really important, its the concurrent connection limit.
There are *no* connection limitations with SQL Express.
MSDE had a governor which limited concurrent connections to 10
(it placed concurrent connections above 10 in a queue), but SQL Express
doesn't have a governor.
SQL Express will process as many concurrent
connections as the server's cpu/ram/bandwidth allow it to.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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"Anthony Jones" <A...@yadayadayada.com> wrote in message news:eQJKmQPW...@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
Mark
"Chris Shepherd" wrote:
> After reading your post it seems like the absolute worst-case scenario -- a
> person with little to no actual knowledge of how to run (or write apparently)
> PHP inside an unfamiliar environment is tasked with writing an objective analysis.
You're right, I had no enthusiasm for php from the get-go. As I said at the
end, I've always thought it a syntactic abomination. As another friend put
it, perl and php are what you get when you have humanities majors designing
languages. No real coherent thought detectable in the design.
> If you had such issues with RedHat, why not just slap it on Apache on Windows?
First, because I had conflicting mandates, not of my choosing. Management
dictated Redhat *and* the version of php and supplied the box.
Second, I brought it up because the rabid linux-ophiles tend to downplay
what a chaotic mess software distribution is in their sphere. As I said,
they seem to think "reformat your drive and install a newer version of linux"
is a reasonable response to a request for an rpm of a software package.
And my experience with php was a little worse than average (1/3 of the
source packages not building) but in general I've found at least 10% of
source packages you pick up don't build and then you're stuck with debugging
someone else's software. Or you get one of these software bundles that says
"I just depend on these 10 other open source packages you have to have before
you build me..." which increases your chances that you have to debug at least
one of them because the crap won't build.
When you go to linux users' groups with questions on why the crap won't
build, you usually get "RTFM, jerk!" or "Not my problem, it built on *my*
machine."
Paradoxically, you often have much better luck just grabbing an installer
for the windows version of these things than the original linux one.
Using php and apache as examples, that's especially true. Because php for
windows is organized with dlls, it's so much easier to slot in the extensions
you want to use. The package for php on linux doesn't use so's; you have to
build one honking executable. If you want to add a module, you have to
rebuild the php engine.
I admit I haven't made so many points about the language as what's under the
hood, but half the OP's points were unrelated to the language as well.
> The real issue though is that threads like these serve very little purpose.
> Posting how PHP is better than ASP on an ASP discussion group is obviously just
> going to generate posters saying the opposite, just as you'd expect if the
> situations were reversed. I have gripes about both PHP and ASP because I'm
> familiar with both and frequently write for both.
Yeah, the OP was obviously trolling. This thread has made some interesting
points, though.
I'm less familiar with php than ASP, and I suppose I should also mention
that I consider VBScript (and vb) a syntactic abomination too. When I do
ASP, I usually opt for server-side jscript if I'm not using ASP.Net and C#.
There are only 2 features I can think of that work better in vbscript than
jscript.
> Call me crazy, but I use whatever makes sense at the time. If I'm developing and
> my target platform is Linux, I'm likely to invest my time into solutions that
> I'm familiar with and work well on that platform. It boils down to using what works.
> I think any reasonable developer would do the same.
I agree with the same basic sentiment. Use what works where you are. I
haven't had to work in Linux for a while, but the big disappointment for me
was that Mono was such a dog. If it worked at all reasonably, it would be
nice to have a good implementation language cross-platform, but it's
performance was so bad there was no way it could be considered for anything.
Mark
Leon Mayne
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> P.S. It also lacks some advanced features (e.g. full text search)
SQL Express advanced supports full text (also free)
Anthony Jones
> re:
> !> Its not the size that is really important, its the concurrent
connection limit.
>
> There are *no* connection limitations with SQL Express.
>
> MSDE had a governor which limited concurrent connections to 10
> (it placed concurrent connections above 10 in a queue), but SQL Express
> doesn't have a governor.
>
> SQL Express will process as many concurrent
> connections as the server's cpu/ram/bandwidth allow it to.
>
I stand corrected. I had assumed that it carried the similar limitations.
Juan T. Llibre
!> SQL Express advanced supports full text (also free)
Yes, the "Advanced Services" SQL Express version does.
The "basic" SQL Express does not.
Here's a handy feature comparison chart for the different versions of SQL Server 2005:
http://www.microsoft.com/sql/prodinfo/features/compare-features.mspx
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
asp.net faq : http://asp.net.do/faq/
foros de asp.net, en español : http://asp.net.do/foros/
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"Leon Mayne" <le...@rmvme.mvps.org> wrote in message news:650B78D8-F9C9-4D4C...@microsoft.com...
Adam Frame
Do you get a kick out of insulting people on the internet? You, sir are
in need of a mouthwash with a bar of soap. If you cannot contribute to a
civilized discussion without swearing and insults then don't contribute
at all.
Anthony Jones
Agreed the 'governor' was the main reason to stay away from MSDE. The 4GB
per DB would be the next limit that would worry me but thats not too
limiting for many sites.
--
The Natural Philosopher
Indeed, however they left out the most important reason to use PHP
It's not, never has been, and never will be, "Cursed By Microsoft".
This to me is so overwhelming, that all other reasons pale into
insignificance.
Nothing that Microsoft gets involved with ever works properly
thereafter. The temptation to make it only work with Microsoft products,
and if possible only the LATEST and MOST EXPENSIVE Microsoft products,
is usually overwhelming.
Andy Dingley
> Ali Bobo wrote:
> All of this are the opinions of one or two people who put together a web
> site. Nothing more, nothing less.
Re-posted by your trolling friend "1001Webs", who is sock-puppeting
here as Ali Bobo.
Ali Bobo
Hi Andy,
nice to see you again, mate.
And now, after the introductory greetings,
anything at all to say about the topic at hand?
No?
Just what I thought ...
Freak off then, and don't waste our time ¡¡¡
Toby A Inkster
> can you switch, in code, mid-stream to from one language to another?
In PHP? Yes, kinda, if you install the right modules. But only if by "one
language" you mean "PHP" and "another" you mean "Perl or Python".
An example of using Perl within PHP:
<?php
// Use embedded Perl
$perl = new Perl();
// Import function "md5_hex" from package "Digest::MD5"
$perl->eval('use Digest::MD5 qw(md5_hex);');
// Now we can call the function as a normal PHP object method.
echo $perl->md5_hex('Hello');
// prints "8b1a9953c4611296a827abf8c47804d7".
?>
It's slightly clunky in terms of syntax, but it's pretty cool and
occasionally useful if you want to be able to reuse a large piece of
already written Perl script in PHP. Perl functions can be made accessible
to PHP, and variables, arrays, hashes and objects passed back and forth
between the languages.
More info, downloads:
http://pecl.php.net/package/perl
http://pecl.php.net/package/python
--
Toby A Inkster BSc (Hons) ARCS
[Geek of HTML/SQL/Perl/PHP/Python/Apache/Linux]
[OS: Linux 2.6.17.14-mm-desktop-9mdvsmp, up 18 days, 23:46.]
Ham vs Bacon vs Pork
http://tobyinkster.co.uk/blog/2008/01/17/pork-etc/
The Natural Philosopher
> Steve wrote:
>
>> can you switch, in code, mid-stream to from one language to another?
>
> In PHP? Yes, kinda, if you install the right modules. But only if by "one
> language" you mean "PHP" and "another" you mean "Perl or Python".
>
> An example of using Perl within PHP:
>
> <?php
> // Use embedded Perl
> $perl = new Perl();
> // Import function "md5_hex" from package "Digest::MD5"
> $perl->eval('use Digest::MD5 qw(md5_hex);');
> // Now we can call the function as a normal PHP object method.
> echo $perl->md5_hex('Hello');
> // prints "8b1a9953c4611296a827abf8c47804d7".
> ?>
>
> It's slightly clunky in terms of syntax, but it's pretty cool and
> occasionally useful if you want to be able to reuse a large piece of
> already written Perl script in PHP. Perl functions can be made accessible
> to PHP, and variables, arrays, hashes and objects passed back and forth
> between the languages.
<shudder>teh thought of having PERL anywhere on my machine</shudder>
Mark
"Toby A Inkster" wrote:
> > can you switch, in code, mid-stream to from one language to another?
>
> In PHP? Yes, kinda, if you install the right modules. But only if by "one
> language" you mean "PHP" and "another" you mean "Perl or Python".
Actually, in ASP you can switch, in code, mid-stream to from vbscript to
jscript, etc, without the ugly hack of instantiating another language
interpreter.
You can just define script blocks and have them call each other, no problem.
The Natural Philosopher
I had an employee, who was the only one I had to actually fire..set him
a project, did it in perl, ran slower than almost anything else, and
after 6 months still didn't work. Found out he had being writing a
collaborative science fiction book online most of the time.
Another guy picked it up, had it done in bash in 10 days, at about 1/4
the length, and ten times the comprehensibility, tho still a wee bit slow.
So we looked at the worst bits and did them in C.
I suppose that it was that instance that cemented in my mind the firm
conviction that anyone who thinks PERL is great, is probably a total
wanker, and that includes the guy who wrote it. ;-)
Sadly it does exist on my system because some bloody class library
installation script was written in it.
Steve
no.
> 2- A bit off-topic but, What do you make of this statement?:
> The paragraphs below describes W3Schools' vision about future
> Internet Distributed Applications:
> "Executables, C++ (and Java too) must die
> Neither C++ nor Java can ever create standard components that can run
> on all computers. There is no room for these languages in future
> distributed applications. Executables are not standard. COM objects
> are not standard, DLL-files are not standard. Registry settings are
> not standard. INI-files are not standard. None of these components
> must be allowed to destroy your dream of a standard distributed
> application that will run on almost any computer in the world."
> http://www.w3schools.com/ngws/ngws_standards.asp
i usually, by default, disagree with any blanket, black/white
statement(s)...the more a claim is made in absolution, the more it tends to
be absolutely false. since the author cannot predict the future, he cannot
claim what any one language's place in it will be.
Steve
"Adam Frame" <mist...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Ya2dna-v0cz...@giganews.com...
> Do you get a kick out of insulting people on the internet? You, sir are in
> need of a mouthwash with a bar of soap. If you cannot contribute to a
> civilized discussion without swearing and insults then don't contribute at
> all.
first of all, 'mouthwash' is the generic term for a product used *TO* wash
one's mouth. i think you mean that i need my mouth washed with...that would
be 'in need of a mouth wash with...'
the space is important. :)
Wayne
Amen.
Adam Frame
However nitpicking your response may seem, I did realise that once I had
posted it and I thank you for your correction.
Now back to the matter in hand, why is it that on the internet people
find it more acceptable to swear, call people names and (god forbid)
threaten others? I've never understood that.
For me a much more damning response to a post you do not agree with is
one which refutes each and every point you intend to without resorting
to insults. You just debase your very own argument and make it much less
likely that you get your point across.
My 2 cents.
Ali Bobo
> Steve wrote:
> > "Adam Frame" <mistr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:Ya2dna-v0cz...@giganews.com...
> >> Do you get a kick out of insulting people on the internet? You, sir are in
> >> need of a mouthwash with a bar of soap. If you cannot contribute to a
> >> civilized discussion without swearing and insults then don't contribute at
> >> all.
>
> > first of all, 'mouthwash' is the generic term for a product used *TO* wash
> > one's mouth. i think you mean that i need my mouth washed with...that would
> > be 'in need of a mouth wash with...'
>
> > the space is important. :)
>
> However nitpicking your response may seem, I did realise that once I had
> posted it and I thank you for your correction.
>
> Now back to the matter in hand, why is it that on the internet people
> find it more acceptable to swear, call people names and (god forbid)
> threaten others? I've never understood that.
That's easy to answer.
Because they are not face to face, they would think better otherwise.
But don't take it personal, it's just the way Usenet is and there are
even some positive sides in that attitude, such as frankness.
Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:
>Jerry Stuckle wrote:
You're just as fuckin stupid as the person who wrote the shit in the
OP. I mean either you can step the fuck up and post actual examples
and situations in which ASP fails and PHP does not...or you can't.
Yer just another dumbfuck (ie blind Microsoft hater), no different
from the dumbfuck Mac humping flunkies or the dumbfuck Linux lovin ass
stains...all y'all are a bunch of fuckin retards plain and simple.
You base your NONpinions on trivial stupidity often directly linked to
your short between the keyboard and chair, blaming your stupidity on
Microsoft and grasping at anecdotal lames you slurped off some
tweenage muppet fuck run Webbie board. 10 times out 10 when someone
claims their problem is caused by Microsoft...it's really caused by
their own stupidity, usually because Microsoft didn't hold their
bumbling hand enough through the setup/installation or the system
their running is using crap ass factory seconds garbageware they
bought off eBay.
--
Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ą x ą
http://www.backwater-productions.net
http://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog
Hatter Quotes
-------------
"You're only one of the best if you're striving to become one of the
best."
"I didn't make reality, Sunshine, I just verbally bitch slapped you
with it."
"I'm not a professional, I'm an artist."
"Your Usenet blinders are my best friend."
"Usenet Filters - Learn to shut yourself the fuck up!"
"Drugs killed Jesus you know...oh wait, no, that was the Jews, my
bad."
"There are clingy things in the grass...burrs 'n such...mmmm..."
"The more I learn the more I'm killing my idols."
"Is it wrong to incur and then use the hate ridden, vengeful stupidity
of complete strangers in random Usenet froups to further my art?"
"Freedom is only a concept, like race it's merely a social construct
that doesn't really exist outside of your ability to convince others
of its relevancy."
"Next time slow up a lil, then maybe you won't jump the gun and start
creamin yer panties before it's time to pop the champagne proper."
"Reality is directly proportionate to how creative you are."
"People are pretty fucking high on themselves if they think that
they're just born with a soul. *snicker*...yeah, like they're just
givin em out for free."
"Quible, quible said the Hare. Quite a lot of quibling...everywhere.
So the Hare took a long stare and decided at best, to leave the rest,
to their merry little mess."
"There's a difference between 'bad' and 'so earth shatteringly
horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip
their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand
sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible
images burned into their tiny little minds'."
"How sad that you're such a poor judge of style that you can't even
properly gauge the artistic worth of your own efforts."
"Those who record history are those who control history."
"I am the living embodiment of hell itself in all its tormentive rage,
endless suffering, unfathomable pain and unending horror...but you
don't get sent to me...I come for you."
"Ideally in a fight I'd want a BGM-109A with a W80 250 kiloton
tactical thermonuclear fusion based war head."
"Tell me, would you describe yourself more as a process or a
function?"
"Apparently this group has got the market cornered on stupid.
Intelligence is down 137 points across the board and the forecast
indicates an increase in Webtv users."
"Is my .sig delimiter broken? Really? You're sure? Awww,
gee...that's too bad...for YOU!" `, )
Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:
>Do you get a kick out of insulting people on the internet? You, sir are
>in need of a mouthwash with a bar of soap. If you cannot contribute to a
>civilized discussion without swearing and insults then don't contribute
>at all.
Bumbles the newfag dipshit apparently forgot where he was again. Free
cl00, Newfag, nobody on Usenet gives a fuck about your psychological
deficiencies or how much your parents abused and molested you as a
child to make you feel dirty every time you hear a word like FUCK. If
you want some teddy bear picnic, hand holding, butt hugging, My Little
Pony fairy tale land you best retard the fuck on back to Webbie land
where a nice ban happy mod can shield your virgin eyes from all the
"horrors" of the big bad Usenet. In other words, yes, Usenet is the
sordid uncle that molested you as a child...cry now, Newfag...cry for
uncle Usenet. `, )
--
Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm น x น
Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:
>Steve wrote:
The thing you don't get Newfag, is that not everyone is a church going
Christian conservative fuckhead like you are. And yeah, if the only
people you hang out with in the real world are OTHER newfag Christian
conservative fuckheads like yourself...obviously yer not gonna hear
much "foul language" (as your parents beat you to think).
Unfortunately for you, Newfag, the Internet is made up of people ALL
over the world of ALL different walks of life, cultures, subcultures,
interests, etc, etc. And in a LOT of those communities, the ones a
newfag Christian conservative like yourself has no fuckin cl00 about,
yeah, "foul language" is very much the norm and isn't actually
considered "foul" at all...then again these are the people whose
parents DIDN'T beat and molest them into feeling sick and dirty every
time they hear a word like CUNT.
--
Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ą x ą
Adam Frame
ĄMe cago en la leche de tu madre! ĄHijo de puta, cabrón!
ĄPlasta de mierda, maricón! (es como hablan en *mi* comunidad)
You see, Oh mighty keyboard warrior!, I have no aversion to swearing or
insults. I do not, however, see a point to them in a work-related newsgroup.
Now, reread your post and tell yourself that you sound like anything but
a bitter, fat, spotty 14 year old who lives in his mothers basement.
Ali Bobo
productions.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:40:18 +0000, The Natural Philosopher <a...@b.c>
I am more stupid and ignorant than he is.
> Yer just another dumbfuck (ie blind Microsoft hater), no different
> from the dumbfuck Mac humping flunkies or the dumbfuck Linux lovin ass
> stains...all y'all are a bunch of fuckin retards plain and simple.
> You base your NONpinions on trivial stupidity often directly linked to
> your short between the keyboard and chair, blaming your stupidity on
> Microsoft and grasping at anecdotal lames you slurped off some
> tweenage muppet fuck run Webbie board. 10 times out 10 when someone
> claims their problem is caused by Microsoft...it's really caused by
> their own stupidity, usually because Microsoft didn't hold their
> bumbling hand enough through the setup/installation or the system
> their running is using crap ass factory seconds garbageware they
> bought off eBay.
I beg to disagree again.
Microsoft Windows, for example, doesn't deliver what you're paying
for, which is quite a lot compared to Linux.
You can get software as good as Microsoft's for free and if you run
into trouble there will be other users out there to help you at no
cost.
And as for large corporations, communities, offices, etc. using Open
Source software has a lot of advantages too, such as stability,
compatibility and reducing huge costs.
We are in 2008 now Hatter, your arguments sound very 90sh.
Ali Bobo
> > wrote:
>
> >> Steve wrote:
> >>> "Adam Frame" <mistr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> ¡Plasta de mierda, maricón! (es como hablan en *mi* comunidad)
>
Excelente dominio del idioma Español.
¿Dónde lo aprendió?
Bueno, quizás no lo quiera saber ...
Onideus Mad Hatter
<1001...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yer just another dumbfuck (ie blind Microsoft hater), no different
>> from the dumbfuck Mac humping flunkies or the dumbfuck Linux lovin ass
>> stains...all y'all are a bunch of fuckin retards plain and simple.
>> You base your NONpinions on trivial stupidity often directly linked to
>> your short between the keyboard and chair, blaming your stupidity on
>> Microsoft and grasping at anecdotal lames you slurped off some
>> tweenage muppet fuck run Webbie board. 10 times out 10 when someone
>> claims their problem is caused by Microsoft...it's really caused by
>> their own stupidity, usually because Microsoft didn't hold their
>> bumbling hand enough through the setup/installation or the system
>> their running is using crap ass factory seconds garbageware they
>> bought off eBay.
>I beg to disagree again.
You can disagree all you like, Sparkles, it ain't gonna change
reality.
>Microsoft Windows, for example, doesn't deliver what you're paying
>for, which is quite a lot compared to Linux.
>You can get software as good as Microsoft's for free and if you run
>into trouble there will be other users out there to help you at no
>cost.
...unfortunately those users are often like me, often very
egotistical, having VERY little to no patience for newfags and people
who can't figure it out on their own. With Microsoft you get 24/7
tech support with a very friendly sounding, extremely patient tech
flunkie who will happily walk you through even the stupidest of
problems.
>And as for large corporations, communities, offices, etc. using Open
>Source software has a lot of advantages too, such as stability,
>compatibility and reducing huge costs.
Too bad you're still only a child, if you were an adult and actually
worked in the REAL WORLD, you would know that using open source
freeware is actually MORE costly than using software that costs
money...mostly in that open source software doesn't come with a free
24/7 tech support line to help you out of a jam every other five
minutes throughout the day. Also very few college level programs in
IT will bother with open source freeware, which means that the vast
majority of college flunkie graduates that make it into the IT field
won't have a gawd damn clue as to how to even get the open source
stuff to work...and yer lil pipe dream about an online community full
of helpful users who want to work for free...yeah, get fuckin real you
dumbass.
>We are in 2008 now Hatter, your arguments sound very 90sh.
On the contrary, it's your arguments that sound very 90ish, before
companies got slapped with the reality that once they installed PHP or
whatever on all their systems that they didn't have anybody to
actually fix problems with it and wound up having to pay through the
nose for every little hiccup. Everyone who isn't fuckin retarded
knows that most Linux oriented companies are in it for the jacked up
tech support fees. They go to dumbfuck companies that don't know any
better, peddling "free software solutions" and WOW, boy they sure
think they're getting a deal...that is until something goes wrong and
the company that set up the software for 'em suddenly starts goin,
"Well uh...ya see...that's gonna cost ya extra if you want help..."
Onideus Mad Hatter
<use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote:
>On the contrary, it's your arguments that sound very 90ish, before
>companies got slapped with the reality that once they installed PHP or
>whatever on all their systems that they didn't have anybody to
>actually fix problems with it and wound up having to pay through the
>nose for every little hiccup. Everyone who isn't fuckin retarded
>knows that most Linux oriented companies are in it for the jacked up
>tech support fees. They go to dumbfuck companies that don't know any
>better, peddling "free software solutions" and WOW, boy they sure
>think they're getting a deal...that is until something goes wrong and
>the company that set up the software for 'em suddenly starts goin,
>"Well uh...ya see...that's gonna cost ya extra if you want help..."
I forgot about this lil gem:
http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Scraps/Dell_Linux_Support.png
Dell's new Linux installed machines sure are a great deal...well,
until you need help. LOL
--
Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm น x น
Ali Bobo
The fact remains that Microsoft's entire infrastructure is based on
fundamentally flawed designs, not buggy code. These designs can't be
changed.
To change them, Microsoft would have to dump all existing APIs and
break compatibility with everything up till now. If Microsoft does do
this, it will have the opportunity to fix the designs that plague its
product lineup.
I doubt it will. Even .Net, the new secure infrastructure, and built
with security in mind, lets you have access to the 'old ways'. Yes,
you are not supposed to, but people somehow do, and hackers will.
Microsoft and its customer are addicted to backwards compatibility in
a way that makes a heroin addict look silly.
And if Microsoft does change its ways, what incentive will you have to
stick with Microsoft? If you have to start over from scratch to build
your app in this new, secure Microsoft environment, will you pay the
hundreds or thousands of dollars to go the Microsoft route, or the $0
to go with Linux?
In the enterprise Linux space, 2006 was marked by greater expansion of
Linux into vertical markets, new products, and most notably, a string
of surprise business deals among vendors.
Additional companies entered the Linux vendor pool this year, as well,
with the rollouts of new multifunctional network management
appliances, antivirus products, business intelligence (BI) software,
and other third-party wares at Networld + Interop, LinuxWorld, and
other computing conferences.
http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3651486
For your viewing pleasure:
Microsoft Likes (Novell) Linux
http://www.internetnews.com/bus-news/article.php/3641676
rosoft
I can see one reason for PHP in stead of ASP and ASP.NET. PHP on a Linux is
FREEWARE. Since when did Microsoft release any FREEWARE. In other means to
descuss which tool is best is dependent on your opinion.
Lars
"Onideus Mad Hatter" <use...@backwater-productions.net> skrev i meddelandet
news:kdldp31cjv3pn0fh4...@4ax.com...
> mhm น x น
Steve
"Onideus Mad Hatter" <use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote in message
news:d1ndp39beh5v7v4mr...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:02:05 -0800, Onideus Mad Hatter
> <use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote:
>
>>On the contrary, it's your arguments that sound very 90ish, before
>>companies got slapped with the reality that once they installed PHP or
>>whatever on all their systems that they didn't have anybody to
>>actually fix problems with it and wound up having to pay through the
>>nose for every little hiccup. Everyone who isn't fuckin retarded
>>knows that most Linux oriented companies are in it for the jacked up
>>tech support fees. They go to dumbfuck companies that don't know any
>>better, peddling "free software solutions" and WOW, boy they sure
>>think they're getting a deal...that is until something goes wrong and
>>the company that set up the software for 'em suddenly starts goin,
>>"Well uh...ya see...that's gonna cost ya extra if you want help..."
>
> I forgot about this lil gem:
> http://www.backwater-productions.net/_images/_Scraps/Dell_Linux_Support.png
>
> Dell's new Linux installed machines sure are a great deal...well,
> until you need help. LOL
hmmm...the only free support you get from ms is 3 calls within the first
year of installation/purchase. that's for an individual. you *always* pay
for support from ms if you are a corporation. ever price msdn subscriptions?
ever actually call for support from ms? exhorbidant is the only word that
comes to mind. i suppose you haven't. nothing is free, my dear boy.
Steve
> ...unfortunately those users are often like me, often very
> egotistical, having VERY little to no patience for newfags and people
> who can't figure it out on their own. With Microsoft you get 24/7
> tech support with a very friendly sounding, extremely patient tech
> flunkie who will happily walk you through even the stupidest of
> problems.
you and they have only egotism to share. they actually know windows, *nix,
et. al.
>>And as for large corporations, communities, offices, etc. using Open
>>Source software has a lot of advantages too, such as stability,
>>compatibility and reducing huge costs.
>
> Too bad you're still only a child, if you were an adult and actually
> worked in the REAL WORLD,
omh, when did you suddenly get a job in the 'real world'? aren't you still a
walmart employee? and that, at an individual location and not in bentonville
corporate? further, don't you still live with your mom?
if you've joined the rest of us in the 'real world', we'd love to
congratulate you...and send sympathy cards to your new employer. hey, we
might actually have to consider your pov as mattering when you debate
someone here...as it would now have been honed by actual practice and
application.
>>We are in 2008 now Hatter, your arguments sound very 90sh.
>
> On the contrary, it's your arguments that sound very 90ish, before
> companies got slapped with the reality that once they installed PHP or
> whatever on all their systems that they didn't have anybody to
> actually fix problems with it and wound up having to pay through the
> nose for every little hiccup.
wow, the 4.2 billion dollar per year corporation for whom i work has been
running it's critical applications using php and rhl since php 3, rhl 5.
until recently, neither offered any help. we did just fine. now that rhl
does offer support, it may make someone in another department have warm and
cozy feelings...but, from the cio down to the actual sys admins, we've never
been worried. and, we've only ever been down due to power or connectivity
issues. no os is immune to either of those. we're still doing just fine.
again though, did you say you had joined us in the 'real world' yet?
Steve
> On Jan 23, 7:02 am, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-
> I doubt it will. Even .Net, the new secure infrastructure, and built
> with security in mind, lets you have access to the 'old ways'. Yes,
> you are not supposed to, but people somehow do, and hackers will.
> Microsoft and its customer are addicted to backwards compatibility in
> a way that makes a heroin addict look silly.
yes, it's called keeping customers (for ms) and, not redesigning your entire
business application layer (for the customer). that's silly?
> And if Microsoft does change its ways, what incentive will you have to
> stick with Microsoft? If you have to start over from scratch to build
> your app in this new, secure Microsoft environment, will you pay the
> hundreds or thousands of dollars to go the Microsoft route, or the $0
> to go with Linux?
$0 with linux? that's a blanket statement without context and lends itself
very ammenably to fit, in forfieture, in the recyling bin.
> In the enterprise Linux space, 2006 was marked by greater expansion of
> Linux into vertical markets, new products, and most notably, a string
> of surprise business deals among vendors.
i get the impression, ali, that you've no idea what you've just said...hmmm,
all i need is some proof...
> Additional companies entered the Linux vendor pool this year, as well,
> with the rollouts of new multifunctional network management
> appliances, antivirus products, business intelligence (BI) software,
> and other third-party wares at Networld + Interop, LinuxWorld, and
> other computing conferences.
same as the above...but, where's my proof? oh yeah, happily plagurized from
the link you posted here:
> http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3651486
i knew i shouldn't give you too much credit for sounding 'credible'.
compared to your other posts, you actually started to sound smart...until i
see that you've merely mastered CTL+C, CTL+V.
;7)
Steve
"rosoft" <sup...@RosoftEngineering.com> wrote in message
news:DHNlj.3070$R_4....@newsb.telia.net...
> Hi
>
> I can see one reason for PHP in stead of ASP and ASP.NET. PHP on a Linux
> is FREEWARE. Since when did Microsoft release any FREEWARE. In other means
> to descuss which tool is best is dependent on your opinion.
hey numbnutz, did you not read the whole thread? ok, go ahead, jump right in
there...but you make yourself look dim. now, to recap...
asp.net AND the MSVS IDE are BOTH FREE-ly available for download from
microsoft. ms gives away lots o' shit whenever they start losing
audiences...say, a surge in people making more web applications out of php
and the like. now since your claim was ms releasing *any* freeware, showing
that they produce at least *one*, falsifies your claim. however, if you
aren't sufficiently silenced from making uniformed, opinionated comments,
i'll be happy to produce a list of 'freeware' available from ms...or you can
search ms and see a ton for yourself.
next.
Steve
> Steve wrote:
>> "Adam Frame" <mist...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:Ya2dna-v0cz...@giganews.com...
>>> Do you get a kick out of insulting people on the internet? You, sir are
>>> in need of a mouthwash with a bar of soap. If you cannot contribute to a
>>> civilized discussion without swearing and insults then don't contribute
>>> at all.
>>
>> first of all, 'mouthwash' is the generic term for a product used *TO*
>> wash one's mouth. i think you mean that i need my mouth washed
>> with...that would be 'in need of a mouth wash with...'
>>
>> the space is important. :)
>
> However nitpicking your response may seem, I did realise that once I had
> posted it and I thank you for your correction.
good. now if you could just muster a smile...i was playing with you!
> Now back to the matter in hand, why is it that on the internet people find
> it more acceptable to swear, call people names and (god forbid) threaten
> others? I've never understood that.
i'm not 'swearing'. i'm using words that could be immediately considered
offensive. grow up. the intent behind words are more offensive than those
used in declaring them. 'bad' words are simply words. i have a large
vocabulary and refuse to limit my use of any because of some religous or
social moray.
and, i don't threaten anyone...whether on the net, or in person. if i mean
someone harm, i simply inflict it. it is counter-productive to announce my
intentions to the object of my attentions.
> For me a much more damning response to a post you do not agree with is one
> which refutes each and every point you intend to without resorting to
> insults. You just debase your very own argument and make it much less
> likely that you get your point across.
yes, that's worth about 0.02. none of that applies on usenet. very few argue
this way. if you notice, i do argue point/counter-point/refutation. note
also that whatever language i use, the facts i present stand on their own.
as for 'debase'...that seems a bit wordy for you. :)
Steve
> On Jan 20, 9:40 am, Adam Frame <mistr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Steve wrote:
>> > "Adam Frame" <mistr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:Ya2dna-v0cz...@giganews.com...
>> >> Do you get a kick out of insulting people on the internet? You, sir
>> >> are in
>> >> need of a mouthwash with a bar of soap. If you cannot contribute to a
>> >> civilized discussion without swearing and insults then don't
>> >> contribute at
>> >> all.
>>
>> > first of all, 'mouthwash' is the generic term for a product used *TO*
>> > wash
>> > one's mouth. i think you mean that i need my mouth washed with...that
>> > would
>> > be 'in need of a mouth wash with...'
>>
>> > the space is important. :)
>>
>> However nitpicking your response may seem, I did realise that once I had
>> posted it and I thank you for your correction.
>>
>> Now back to the matter in hand, why is it that on the internet people
>> find it more acceptable to swear, call people names and (god forbid)
>> threaten others? I've never understood that.
>
> That's easy to answer.
> Because they are not face to face, they would think better otherwise.
nah, i'd still tell him he was full of shit.
> But don't take it personal, it's just the way Usenet is and there are
> even some positive sides in that attitude, such as frankness.
exactly. (and royness too).
Steve
and this is impressive how? and yes, that's about how it sounds in my
'comunidad'...tambien. next.
> You see, Oh mighty keyboard warrior!, I have no aversion to swearing or
> insults. I do not, however, see a point to them in a work-related
> newsgroup.
it's not work-related. it's php related, but not work-related.
among omh's many faults, making large assumptions - incorrectly - is his
forte (pronounced correctly as 'fort' :) wtf was his rant about xtians?
where'd that come from?
> Now, reread your post and tell yourself that you sound like anything but a
> bitter, fat, spotty 14 year old who lives in his mothers basement.
actually, truth be known, he's 29 this (afaik)...and, yes, he does live with
his mother. only, i think he keeps her down there. btw, all his 'real world'
experience in programming comes from working the cash register at walmart.
no, i'm not making any of that up.
Steve
==========
y, de quien te molesta por te dar las palabras escribir aqui. sin linguas
del espanol en total!
Floor
> if you have no clue as to the technology against which you are making
> comparisons, how the fuck can you expect to be taken seriously?!!!
> further,
> how can you ever expect to pick the right tool for the job...which is
> COMPLETELY what makes one better than the other! it's all relative to
> changing factors that you don't even consider, troll.
define 'better'
Floor
The Natural Philosopher
Steve
"The Natural Philosopher" <a@b.c> wrote in message
news:120134774...@iris.uk.clara.net...
lol. yet, in grade 3, 'relative' means that 'better' changes meaning under
each circumstance. 'better' in that light, would mean the tool that best
fits the accomplishment of the task at hand...which is a complete
re-iteration of what i'd said before. we, in grade 3, read with
comprehension.
cheers, phil.
Serious
[speaking of Onideus Mad Hatter]
>actually, truth be known, he's 29 this (afaik)...and, yes, he does live
>with his mother. only, i think he keeps her down there. btw, all his
>'real world' experience in programming comes from working the cash
>register at walmart. no, i'm not making any of that up.
Damn, what a pathetic loser. Well, that figures, since he did sound like
a loser.
Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:
Your butt hurtz is showing Stevie. You wanna have yerself a lil cry
and try flailing for lames a lil more? *snicker* I could be a gawd
damn garbage collector and I'd still have more programming experience
in my left pinky finger than you'll ever have in your entire
fuckwitted, meandering little inconsequential existence. You're just
a stupid ass loser who got slapped across the face one too many times
by your betters and it's made you all bitter and pissy.
PS - all your "facts" are completely the fuck wrong. For one I'm 27,
two I don't "live with my mother", I own my own house you fuckin
retard and at Wal*Mart I'm an inventory control specialist which is a
fuck of a lot more than you've ever managed to accomplish workin over
at Mickey Ds, Bumbles.
Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:
Oh Stevie, you're still so very much retarded, aren't you? With
Windows there is endless shitloads of support, from hand holding
software setup wizards and tutorials guiding you through each step,
dozens of different templates, thousands of handy tool tips, highly
automated/advanced troubleshooting and configuration allowing even the
biggest idiots to install practically anything and have it work the
first time right out of the box. Then of course there's the Microsoft
Knowledge Base...do be sure and let us all know when one of the Linux
distros manages to get something similar.
Steve
still gainfully employed behind the walmart cash register? thought so. still
living with your mom? thought so.
maybe your 'technical expertise' will be more valid once you have a job that
at least kind of resembles programming or technology based infrastructures.
for this topic, you'd have had to manage the budget of a tech. dept. before
anyone would listen.
dream big, oh rotunda, dream big. maybe some day some one will hire you. :)
Steve
wow, an inventory control 'specialist'...hmmm, sounds a bit like 'domestic
engineer'. well, enjoy your $10 per hour. it's too bad your 'programming
experience' consists solely of pointing a scanner at a barcode and letting
the computer behind it add/subtract from its inventory pool. :)
and, i've never worked at mcdonalds or any other fast-food or service type
of industry. well, i take that back. i worked at plush hotels in california
while in college. i was a concierge...met lots of famous people. that was
kind of fun. getting close to $200 in tips per night was great too. you're
just going to have to realize that those jobs are for the young and
unskilled...or for people who are just in love with it. you're too old to be
considered a pup. now you just have to work on your self-proclaimed
'skillz'.
'special'...that's a hoot!
Onideus Mad Hatter
>> Your butt hurtz is showing Stevie. You wanna have yerself a lil cry
>> and try flailing for lames a lil more? *snicker* I could be a gawd
>> damn garbage collector and I'd still have more programming experience
>> in my left pinky finger than you'll ever have in your entire
>> fuckwitted, meandering little inconsequential existence. You're just
>> a stupid ass loser who got slapped across the face one too many times
>> by your betters and it's made you all bitter and pissy.
>>
>> PS - all your "facts" are completely the fuck wrong. For one I'm 27,
>> two I don't "live with my mother", I own my own house you fuckin
>> retard and at Wal*Mart I'm an inventory control specialist which is a
>> fuck of a lot more than you've ever managed to accomplish workin over
>> at Mickey Ds, Bumbles.
>wow, an inventory control 'specialist'...hmmm, sounds a bit like 'domestic
>engineer'.
Uh huh, and do these "domestic engineers" of yours handle the
ordering, pricing and display of over 40,000 products in a major
retail chain? Nah, didn't think so.
>well, enjoy your $10 per hour.
LOL, that's like the starting wage of regular grocery associates, ICS
gets paid quite a bit more than that.
>it's too bad your 'programming
>experience' consists solely of pointing a scanner at a barcode and letting
>the computer behind it add/subtract from its inventory pool. :)
Actually you deficient little retard I happen to be working on a new
type of inventory tracking system...a real time, three dimensional
spatial tracking display of all inventory in the store via RFID tags,
based primarily on the initial research of Marcus Nilsson and Josef
Hallberg. You...yer just an idiot fuck who ain't doin shit.
>and, i've never worked at mcdonalds or any other fast-food or service type
>of industry.
You might as well be, given your complete failure to produce anything
noteworthy or remarkable. The only difference between you and someone
working at McDonalds is that you managed to convince a fuckin retard
to waste money on you with little to no results for their buck.
Really, that's all you are...a waste of company resources. Shining
banal mediocrity in a sea of unproductive asshats getting paid far
more than you should on the failing promise to deliver something
worthwhile. Don't worry though, every tech bubble eventually
bursts...your time'll come sweety and when it does yer dumbass will
find yourself right down there at Mickey Ds applyin for a job when you
can't even get an interview at any place respectable...won't be so
funny then, will it?
>well, i take that back. i worked at plush hotels in california
>while in college. i was a concierge...met lots of famous people. that was
>kind of fun. getting close to $2.00 in tips per night was great too.
Uh huh, I think yer missing a decimal point there, here, let me fix it
for you. ^_^
>you're
>just going to have to realize that those jobs are for the young and
>unskilled...or for people who are just in love with it. you're too old to be
>considered a pup. now you just have to work on your self-proclaimed
>'skillz'.
>
>'special'...that's a hoot!
You can't even apply for my job without a degree you bumbling retard.
You're obviously confusing my position with that of "unloaders" and
"stock men". Yer so fuckin stupid though I can see as how you would
have trouble figuring it out.
--
Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm น x น
Onideus Mad Hatter
>> Oh Stevie, you're still so very much retarded, aren't you? With
>> Windows there is endless shitloads of support, from hand holding
>> software setup wizards and tutorials guiding you through each step,
>> dozens of different templates, thousands of handy tool tips, highly
>> automated/advanced troubleshooting and configuration allowing even the
>> biggest idiots to install practically anything and have it work the
>> first time right out of the box. Then of course there's the Microsoft
>> Knowledge Base...do be sure and let us all know when one of the Linux
>> distros manages to get something similar.
>still gainfully employed behind the walmart cash register?
I don't work the cash register, Dribbles...although even if I did I
would still make more money that what you're gettin at Mickey Ds.
>thought-SLAP-
...no, you really don't, do you?
>still living with your mom? thought so.
What the fuck part of *I* own *MY* own house did you NOT grasp the
first time I said it? I mean, okay, yer a fuckin retard, but still,
try and pay attention at least long enough to try and prevent yer
stupid ass from tripping over your own dumbfuck lame witted attempts
at verbal retribution. Like I said though, it's pretty obvious that
your butt hurtz is showin REAL bad, hence your little "need" to try
and get into a pissing contest over jobs and income and the like.
Generally the only kinds of people who start that shit are the ones
that KNOW they're worthless, they KNOW they have no level of skill,
they KNOW they're getting paid more than what they're worth...and so
that's the only thing they have to brag about. Where as those who are
actually are worth something...yeah, they've got actual work and
examples to back up their expertise...you ain't got shit, do ya
sunshine? Yer just some dumbfuck code flunkie gettin paid to do
menial hack and paste work that the REAL programmers don't want to be
bothered with. You're the IT equivalent of a stock boy/man at
Wal*Mart.
>maybe your 'technical expertise' will be more valid once you have a job that
>at least kind of resembles programming or technology based infrastructures.
Only a dumbfuck like you with NO skill level would equate his JOB to
his expertise. Einstein once worked as a patent clerk, so by yer
inane, fuckwitted meandering stupid-logic he didn't become a genius
until AFTER he quit and got a job somewhere else. Your job has
NOTHING to do with yer abilities as a programmer or any other
profession. In your case it was probably a matter of clueless HR
types who didn't even comprehend WHAT it was they were hiring for and
wound up pickin you cause you slurped their ass the best...or, judging
by your claim that you've never worked at all in your life, except as
some fluff boi at a cushy hotel, I'd be willin to bet that yer just
some spoiled rich brat whose daddy got ya all hooked up. Yeah, yer
daddy probably paid yer way through school (probably in more ways than
one) and then yer daddy probably got ya a nice easy programming
flunkie position at his company, innt that right, Bumbles? Go on,
tell us all about how daddy's connections got you yer fumbling "dream
job", you shit slurping ass hat. Fact of the matter is the only real
"skill" you have is in kissing up and givin blow jobs to all of
"daddy's" business associates. *snicker* Yer a pathetic
nothing...and that's all you'll ever be, child.
>for this topic, you'd have had to manage the budget of a tech. dept. before
>anyone would listen.
Hey Bumbles, do you think no one noticed that you "cleverly" avoided
all the ass blistering arguments and facts by whining on about how yer
daddy's spoiled little bitch? Cause uh...I don't think ya did,
Sunshine. *nods*
>dream big, oh rotunda, dream big. maybe some day some one will hire you. :)
Yeah maybe if I kiss as much ass as you do and get yer daddy to adopt
me so he can "recommend" me to all his business associates and such.
Tell us...how does it feel knowing that the only reason you're even
working in your position is because someone owed yer daddy a favor? I
bet that bothers you a lot, huh? To the point where you have to run
around online cryin from yer butt hurtz and whining about how SPECIAL
you THINK you are because of your job title and how much money yer
daddy got his friend to pay you for your fumbling mediocrity.
--
Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ą x ą
The Natural Philosopher
>
> Actually you deficient little retard I happen to be working on a new
> type of inventory tracking system...a real time, three dimensional
> spatial tracking display of all inventory in the store via RFID tags,
> based primarily on the initial research of Marcus Nilsson and Josef
> Hallberg. You...yer just an idiot fuck who ain't doin shit.
Big words. So, tell me, how did you convince them you were responsible
enough to stack the shelves then?
Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:
What the fuck are you Steve's half witted cheerleader? Is the bitch
too deficient in the ball area to reply himself that he's got to get
yer fruity ass replyin for him? No offense, Fuckup...but I think he
could do a LOT better than you. If Steve's the spoiled little rich
kid whose daddy bought him everything in life...I guess that'd make
you the half witted leaching "friend", eh? Did Steve's daddy get you
a nice cushy programming flunkie position too? Did you have to suck a
lot of dick to get it? Yeah, I bet you did, huh? How much cock
exactly would you say you've sucked for your position as meandering
cubical flunkie?
The Natural Philosopher
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:15:43 +0000, The Natural Philosopher <a@b.c>
> wrote:
>
>> Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
>>> Actually you deficient little retard I happen to be working on a new
>>> type of inventory tracking system...a real time, three dimensional
>>> spatial tracking display of all inventory in the store via RFID tags,
>>> based primarily on the initial research of Marcus Nilsson and Josef
>>> Hallberg. You...yer just an idiot fuck who ain't doin shit.
>> Big words. So, tell me, how did you convince them you were responsible
>> enough to stack the shelves then?
>
> What the fuck are you Steve's half witted cheerleader? Is the bitch
> too deficient in the ball area to reply himself that he's got to get
> yer fruity ass replyin for him? No offense, Fuckup...but I think he
> could do a LOT better than you. If Steve's the spoiled little rich
> kid whose daddy bought him everything in life...I guess that'd make
> you the half witted leaching "friend", eh? Did Steve's daddy get you
> a nice cushy programming flunkie position too? Did you have to suck a
> lot of dick to get it? Yeah, I bet you did, huh? How much cock
> exactly would you say you've sucked for your position as meandering
> cubical flunkie?
>
Just checking to see if you were worth keeping out of the killfile,
that's all.
But a post of constant abuse, pure bragadaccio, zero intelligent
content and no humour whatsoever, is just noise as far as I am concerned.
*plonk*
Steve
> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 14:37:51 -0600, "Steve" <no....@example.com> wrote:
i'm sorry...did you say summ'n, hunny?
Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:
What's the matter, yer butt hurtz is so bad that you have to plug yer
ears, close yer eyes and go, "LA LA LA LA LA LA, CAN'T HEAR YOU, LA LA
LA LA LA"
It's okay, I understand, I mean getting blistered across yer lil ass
with nine shades of bitch slapping reality, boy that must REALLY hurt,
huh Stevie? Especially considering what a spoiled little rich brat
you are, you just can't deal with any real kind of critique or
negative commentary, you just shut down completely and your sub
conscious blocks it out to try and protect what failing little ego you
have. Innt that right, Stevie? ^_^
--
Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm น x น
Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:
>> What the fuck are you Steve's half witted cheerleader? Is the bitch
>> too deficient in the ball area to reply himself that he's got to get
>> yer fruity ass replyin for him? No offense, Fuckup...but I think he
>> could do a LOT better than you. If Steve's the spoiled little rich
>> kid whose daddy bought him everything in life...I guess that'd make
>> you the half witted leaching "friend", eh? Did Steve's daddy get you
>> a nice cushy programming flunkie position too? Did you have to suck a
>> lot of dick to get it? Yeah, I bet you did, huh? How much cock
>> exactly would you say you've sucked for your position as meandering
>> cubical flunkie?
>Gosh. I guess they wouldn't let you stack after all.
Gosh, I guess that's really all the better of a "comeback" you could
formulate...I'm not impressed Natural Philistine...really not at all.
>Just checking to see if you were worth keeping out of the killfile,
>that's all.
Uh huh, well do try and keep yer blinders on tighter this time you
inane fuckwit, keeping you and your stupidity the fuck out of my
threads and posts really should be your TOP priority. And since
you're OBVIOUSLY not intelligence enough to censor your own idiocy,
well, it's a good thing you have a program to make those sorts of
decisions for you, eh Dribbles?
>But a post of constant abuse, pure bragadaccio, zero intelligent
>content and no humour whatsoever, is just noise as far as I am concerned.
Awww, am I not yer online babysitter? Tsch, tsch, tsch...why I just
had *NO* idea that it was somehow *MY* job to entertain yer stupid
ass. If you had *JUST* told me sooner I could have started coddling
you and wiping your ass like a two year old. Oh well, no real
loss...well, for me anyway.
>*plonk*
That's the sound yer empty head makes as you bang it on yer keyboard
hoping that something amusing or meaningful will magically pop out.
Ali Bobo
Hey, the Nabaztag also uses RFID tags.
http://gadgetgameinspector.blogspot.com/2008/02/rfid-enabled-nabaztagtag.html
Perhaps you could hire him as an assistant, you two would make a nice
couple ...
Onideus Mad Hatter
Nah I'll just hire your mom as an assistant, we make a REALLY nice
couple...or couplING I should say.
--
Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ą x ą
Betikci Boris
> 1. PHP.NET the greatest API resource known to MAN
> 2. If you have a problem, someone will have already implemented a
> solution in PHP for you
> 3. Syntax is better, closer to C, C++, and Java. Unlike VB where
> anything goes.
> 4. To run ASP you need IIS on windows, which is not free, for PHP
> however you need Linux and Apache which are FREE!!
> 5. Great built in support for ftp, email, graphics package GD2 and
> also MySQL (also FREE).
> 6. PHP will run on Unix, Linux, Solaris and Windows. ASP is mainly
> only Windows associated but you can use it on linux with additional
> modules installed.
> 7. PHP code is much faster, ASP is developed on the COM based
> architecture, this is an overhead for the server.
> 8. mod_rewrite, need I say more.
> 9. Advanced Perl-compatible regular expression functions and loads
> of built in support for regular expressions on the whole.
> 10. Greater control over error handling, and more detailed error
> messages.
>
> http://www.hwhappy.co.uk/2006/11/30/why-php-is-better-than-asp/
<?php
echo ("I LOVE PHP!");
echo ("Asp is not a programming language but an appreciable technology
which brings developer an ultimate agility and control over code.";)
print ("I LOVE PHP!");
Ali Bobo
>
> >Perhaps you could hire him as an assistant, you two would make a nice
> >couple ...
I suspect the real reason for not hiring the Nabaztag is that you fear
that your inflatable doll would get jealous ...
Onideus Mad Hatter
You certainly do seem very interested in my personal life, Cuppycake.
Maybe you should worry more about your own failing relationships
rather than throwing out flailing projections in regards to mine. On
the positive side (well, for me) is that if anyone ever tells me to
"get a life", I can just say, "Hey, I've got Ali Bobo's!"
Really though, again, you should probably concentrate more on your own
failing existence rather than simply giving it all up and attempting
to live vicariously through mine, all the while projecting all the
unresolved fuckups in your own life that you ran away from.
PS - I really am fuckin yer mother on the side, go ask her about it,
Junior.
--
Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm น x น
Steve
sorry, you're going to have to speak up if you want to be heard.
Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:
Poor Steve, at this point he's regressed back into essentially a
scared little animal, backed into a corner, knowing its life is at an
end and shitting itself as a very last resort. He's hoping his putrid
smell will drive off his attacker and make him seem like an
unappetizing meal, in this case shitting out retarded sounding posts
and hoping it'll cause me to lose interest and stop verbally molesting
him with his own fuckwitted idiocy.
Steve
funny. i keep seeing you making posts, however there's nothing in them.
seems kind of pointless.
ajtri...@googlemail.com
productions.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:20:58 -0600, "Steve" <no....@example.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >"Onideus Mad Hatter" <use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote in message
> >news:6fvvq3dvps3oqpcgg...@4ax.com...
> >> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:18:44 -0600, "Steve" <no....@example.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >sorry, you're going to have to speak up if you want to be heard.
>
> Poor Steve, at this point he's regressed back into essentially a
> scared little animal, backed into a corner, knowing its life is at an
> end and shitting itself as a very last resort. He's hoping his putrid
> smell will drive off his attacker and make him seem like an
> unappetizing meal, in this case shitting out retarded sounding posts
> and hoping it'll cause me to lose interest and stop verbally molesting
> him with his own fuckwitted idiocy.
>
> --
>
> Onideus Mad Hatter
Hasn't this discussion gone on long enough????
Michael Fesser
What do you expect from an empty head?
rm -f /dev/brain
Just killfile this idiot.
Fup2 poster
Micha
Ali Bobo
I'm not in the least but I can't help to think that you are bit of a
wanker.
That you use inflatable dolls is the obvious conclusion since you need
both hands to write all the crap you litter Usenet with.
> Maybe you should worry more about your own failing relationships
> rather than throwing out flailing projections in regards to mine. On
> the positive side (well, for me) is that if anyone ever tells me to
> "get a life", I can just say, "Hey, I've got Ali Bobo's!"
Sure mate, I'll remember that next time I go to WalMarts and let a
carton of milk drop in front of you just for the pleasure of watching
you on all fours.
And don't forget to keep the smile on your face while you are down
there, as you have been instructed so many times ...
Just remember that your job is at stake and since you have absolutely
no future as a web designer or whatever else really, you'd better
behave like the good doggy you in fact are,
> Really though, again, you should probably concentrate more on your own
> failing existence rather than simply giving it all up and attempting
> to live vicariously through mine, all the while projecting all the
> unresolved fuckups in your own life that you ran away from.
I couldn't care less about you or about any fucked-up weirdo of your
kind, believe me.
What I fail to understand is what someone whose portfolio consists
basically of modified (for the worst) freely (for a good reason) Flash
Templates, is doing in a thread of this kind which clearly is above
the "expertise" of a Windoze jerk, sorry, wanker.
Go back to your Cartoons, your dolls and your toys, moronish piece of
nothing. There's discussion going on here that is beyond your mental
capacity and people writing on matters that you can't grasp.
In fact, even the Nabaztag is beyond your retarded mind ...
Onideus Mad Hatter
>On Feb 11, 8:04 pm, Onideus Mad Hatter <use...@backwater-
>productions.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:20:58 -0600, "Steve" <no....@example.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >"Onideus Mad Hatter" <use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote in message
>> >news:6fvvq3dvps3oqpcgg...@4ax.com...
>> >> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:18:44 -0600, "Steve" <no....@example.com>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >sorry, you're going to have to speak up if you want to be heard.
>>
>> Poor Steve, at this point he's regressed back into essentially a
>> scared little animal, backed into a corner, knowing its life is at an
>> end and shitting itself as a very last resort. He's hoping his putrid
>> smell will drive off his attacker and make him seem like an
>> unappetizing meal, in this case shitting out retarded sounding posts
>> and hoping it'll cause me to lose interest and stop verbally molesting
>> him with his own fuckwitted idiocy.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Onideus Mad Hatter
>> mhm ą x ąhttp://www.backwater-productions.nethttp://www.backwater-productions.net/hatter-blog
Don't you wanna see how long Steve will try to get the last word in?
That's the last failing attempt at saving face for someone whose been
totally ripped apart, they may lose the argument, but by their God
they WILL get the last word in...even if they have to reply to a
couple hundred bot created follow-ups. LOL
--
Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ą x ą
http://www.backwater-productions.net
Onideus Mad Hatter
<1001...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> You certainly do seem very interested in my personal life, Cuppycake.
>I'm not in the least but I can't help to think that you are bit of a
>wanker.
Well maybe that's because your dumbass treats the Internet like real
life...most likely because your real life is so utterly shit. My life
is great so I don't need to retard online looking to get what *I've*
already got, unlike you.
>That you use inflatable dolls is the obvious conclusion since you need
>both hands to write all the crap you litter Usenet with.
I told you already, it's yer mom, d00d. Why can't you just accept the
truth that your mom and I are boinkin each other? Trying to ignore it
won't make us stop fuckin each other.
>> Maybe you should worry more about your own failing relationships
>> rather than throwing out flailing projections in regards to mine. On
>> the positive side (well, for me) is that if anyone ever tells me to
>> "get a life", I can just say, "Hey, I've got Ali Bobo's!"
>Sure mate, I'll remember that next time I go to WalMarts and let a
>carton of milk drop in front of you just for the pleasure of watching
>you on all fours.
Actually you dumbfuck I'll get on a walkie and just call for
maintenance for a 'wet spill' (read 'dumbass spill'). And if
something is spilled we have to stand there and wait around for
maintenance to come so dumbfucks like you don't walk through it. So
essentially your stupid ass would be giving me a free five minute
break whilst I wait for the mop and bucket crew to clean up your
stupidity. Oh but hey, don't worry about it, the prices in the store
are jacked up on average about 20% *JUST* for the retards like you who
drop shit and take shit back. Most people don't realize this, but if
all the retards like yourself up and DIED tomorrow...all the prices in
all the stores would just magically drop about 25%. Essentially
you're just making OTHER people pay for your stupidity...oh but hey,
you just keep fumbling for Hatter retribution wet dreams you pathetic
meandering obsesso fuckwit. Yeesh...Hatter Addicts...they sure are
breeding you STUPID these days.
>And don't forget to keep the smile on your face while you are down
>there, as you have been instructed so many times ...
I'm pretty sure they only tell the cashiers to smile and look
happy...although since I enjoy my job and the people I work with I'm
usually smiling anyway...I mean I'm not some loser like you who hates
his life and everything in it. I'm sure you go to work as a cubical
flunkie with a sad face and a depressed heart as you fork over any and
all creative potential you *MIGHT* have had to someone *ELSE'S*
dreams, ambitions and ideas. For me, the *ONLY* one who gets *MY*
creative potential is *ME*, so when I get off work I feel totally
refreshed, brimming with creative ideas and drive, saving it all up
just for me. Where as for a cubical flunkie like yourself, well you
get off work mentally exhausted, only able to flop down in front of
the boob-tube and zone the fuck out to Seinfeld reruns, completely
unable to produce anything noteworthy or remarkable on your own
because by the time you clock out your employer has already raped you
of any and all creativity and ideas. That's the reason that mouthy
fucks like you have no personal work that they can show off, because
all it is to a dumbfuck like you is a worthless hate ridden job, where
as to someone like me...it's an art form.
> Just remember that your job is at stake and since you have absolutely
>no future as a web designer or whatever else really, you'd better
>behave like the good doggy you in fact are,
Actually dumbass, it's YOUR money that's at stake. The more shit
dumbasses like you screw up the higher the prices will go, it won't
affect me one way or the other, Dipshit.
>> Really though, again, you should probably concentrate more on your own
>> failing existence rather than simply giving it all up and attempting
>> to live vicariously through mine, all the while projecting all the
>> unresolved fuckups in your own life that you ran away from.
>I couldn't care less about you or about any fucked-up weirdo of your
>kind, believe me.
Right, this just from the Hatter Addict who claims he's gonna show up
at Wal*Mart and start spillin shit all over the floor like a retard so
he can "get back" at dat mean 'ol Mad Hatter for all his online butt
hurtz.
*rolls eyes*
You're as transparent as you are stupid, you dumbfuck.
>What I fail to understand is what someone whose portfolio consists
>basically of modified (for the worst) freely (for a good reason) Flash
>Templates,
None of my sites are based upon any Flash templates nor did they come
from any templates either, you fuckin retard. They were ALL
constructed FROM SCRATCH with all coding work as my own. It's kinda
flattering though that you would think so highly of my work, confusing
it for professionally designed Flash templates...LOL, looks like ya
fumbled again, Dumbass.
>is doing in a thread of this kind which clearly is above
>the "expertise" of a Windoze jerk, sorry, wanker.
Free cl00, Retardo, my web server is running Linux (duh uh, think slow
now) and it's pretty fuckin obvious to anyone who isn't some fumbling
amateur, wannabe like yourself that a great many of my sites are
utilizing some pretty high end PHP. A lesser, poser class, dipshit
like yourself though just looks at my sites and thinks, "Oh it's a
template, it came like that." No Fumbles, just because YOUR stupid
ass couldn't make a site like mine doesn't mean that *I* can't make a
site like mine. They're *MY* work, *MY* sites, *MY* code, *MY*
graphics. Don't try and project your own lack of ability onto others
you drooling dipshit. Just because *YOU* can't doesn't mean that
other people like myself can't.
>Go back to your Cartoons, your dolls and your toys, moronish piece of
>nothing.
Funny in that cartoons, dolls and toys all make up a multi-BILLION
dollar a year industry. You're just a fumbling retarded tweenage
muppet fuck dipshit though so I can see as how it would have skipped
you. Do be sure and let us all know when you're finally out of junior
high and manage to graduate out of yer Pampers size 7s and into some
Pull-ups you drooling, Barney generation flunkie.
>There's discussion going on here that is beyond your mental
>capacity and people writing on matters that you can't grasp.
This from the retard who doesn't even have *A* site, let alone many
sites with PHP coding that would necessitate a claim of being
knowledgeable in the area. Hell yer such a poser class idiot fuck
that all you see when you visit one of my sites is straight Flash and
nothing else and instantly you think, "DUH UH...TEMPLATE!"
I've SHIT more PHP code than your stupid ass has ever even DREAMED of
producing, Spittles.
>In fact, even the Nabaztag is beyond your retarded mind ...
For someone with such an aversion to toys and dolls you certainly are
enamored with this little Nabaztag...and when you look back on all the
references in your posts to "blow up dolls" and the
like...yeah...ewww. I don't even wanna KNOW what the fuck kinda sicko
fantasies you're having, you Nabaztag rapist.
Fred Atkinson
<use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote:
>Don't you wanna see how long Steve will try to get the last word in?
>That's the last failing attempt at saving face for someone whose been
>totally ripped apart, they may lose the argument, but by their God
>they WILL get the last word in...even if they have to reply to a
>couple hundred bot created follow-ups. LOL
That observation has already been made by a number of other
users on USENET.
Fred
Steve
> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:35:37 -0800 (PST), "ajtri...@googlemail.com"
> <ajtri...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>Hasn't this discussion gone on long enough????
>
> Don't you wanna see how long Steve will try to get the last word in?
> That's the last failing attempt at saving face for someone whose been
> totally ripped apart, they may lose the argument, but by their God
> they WILL get the last word in...even if they have to reply to a
> couple hundred bot created follow-ups. LOL
hey, there it is...you actually said something. now, show me where you
actually 'ripped [me] apart'. name calling is not a valid counter. and,
since you've posted nothing more than this, you've not made a counter. you
have made no argument, i have not lost anything. remember, my argument has
been and still is that whether php or asp, one should pick the tool that
suits the job. if you disagree with this, then you obviously aren't
experienced with the tools or real-world situations. from what i've gleaned,
you think asp and flash are the only tools in the shed...and couple that
with your stock-boy position at wally world, i think you fall dead-center
into that category - inexperienced.
Steve
> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 18:36:40 -0800 (PST), Ali Bobo
> <1001...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> You certainly do seem very interested in my personal life, Cuppycake.
>
>>I'm not in the least but I can't help to think that you are bit of a
>>wanker.
>
> Well maybe that's because your dumbass treats the Internet like real
> life...most likely because your real life is so utterly shit. My life
> is great so I don't need to retard online looking to get what *I've*
> already got, unlike you.
you still into infantilism? those pics were shocking. your 'real life' seems
to want to be a pretense on many fronts. must be that your 'life is [NOT SO]
great' afterall.
Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:
>>>> You certainly do seem very interested in my personal life, Cuppycake.
>>>I'm not in the least but I can't help to think that you are bit of a
>>>wanker.
>> Well maybe that's because your dumbass treats the Internet like real
>> life...most likely because your real life is so utterly shit. My life
>> is great so I don't need to retard online looking to get what *I've*
>> already got, unlike you.
>you still into infantilism?
LOL, diaper trolled!
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/31804acd3d6ecf06
Poor Stevie, bitch slapped *SO* badly he has to resort to scraping the
VERY bottom of the Hatter Addict barrel. Tsch, tsch, tsch...yer so
pathetic Stevie. If you like diapers so much though I'm sure I could
arrange to have some sent to you:
http://www.getrevengeonyourex.com/shop/shopletterlarge.php?p=120
See I'm a firm believer that you should never attempt to attack anyone
on a level that you yourself are not FULLY prepared to have delivered
right back at yourself. So if you accuse me of being an
infantilist...well, you shouldn't be too surprised if I go ahead and
send some special messages to all your friends and family and
employer, now should you? ^_^
>those pics were shocking.
Yeah I never thought Photoshop edits could look so unbelievably fake
either, although they were created by talentless meandering fuckwits
like yourself without a single ounce of creative talent or ability.
>your 'real life' seems to want to be a pretense on many fronts. must
>be that your 'life is [NOT SO] great' afterall.
I'm sure it wouldn't be if any of the delusions of Hatter Addicts like
yourself were anywhere near rooted in reality, unfortunately for your
lil wet dreams of retribution, they're not...but try and remember,
whatever lies you accuse me of in place of a failed argument...I can
accuse you of something even worse. Protip: Don't ever fuck with
someone who has more creativity than you do.
Onideus Mad Hatter
Ahhh but who has the record? With enough sharp poking to his ego I
think lil Stevie could possibly break the Usenet record for the most
number of bot replies.
--
Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm น x น
Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:
>
>"Onideus Mad Hatter" <use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote in message
>news:e7h2r3l0cakn3oqaf...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:35:37 -0800 (PST), "ajtri...@googlemail.com"
>> <ajtri...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>>Hasn't this discussion gone on long enough????
>>
>> Don't you wanna see how long Steve will try to get the last word in?
>> That's the last failing attempt at saving face for someone whose been
>> totally ripped apart, they may lose the argument, but by their God
>> they WILL get the last word in...even if they have to reply to a
>> couple hundred bot created follow-ups. LOL
>hey, there it is...you actually said something. now, show me where you
>actually 'ripped [me] apart'. name calling is not a valid co<COCK SLAP>
Message-ID: <27p6q39qjfcivsv16...@4ax.com>
...well, that was easy. Remember fuckwit, YOU were the one who
reached for pathetic insults first when you couldn't counter the
arguments I presented in that post. You got soundly bitch slapped and
then turned right around and started cryin about Wal*Mart in
retaliation. You got pwn3d, bitch!
--
Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm น x น
Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:
>fun<COCK SLAP>
How does my cock taste this morning, Stevie?
--
Onideus Mad Hatter
mhm ą x ą
Onideus Mad Hatter
wrote:
Poor Michael, he just can't seem to share his Usenet blinders with
anyone else. Remember Michael, not everyone is as pathetic as you
are, some people have no problems at all thinking for themselves and
simply choosing not to read (or not to take serious) certain posts.
Dumbfuck that you are though you just can't be trusted to post like an
adult, which is why you need a net.nanny program to filter your view
of Usenet to prevent your dumbass from needlessly replying in
stupidity to people who REALLY don't wanna hear any of your bullshit
in the first place. Usenet filters (read "blinders")...learn to shut
Steve
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:36:11 -0600, "Steve" <no....@example.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>>> You certainly do seem very interested in my personal life, Cuppycake.
>
>>>>I'm not in the least but I can't help to think that you are bit of a
>>>>wanker.
>
>>> Well maybe that's because your dumbass treats the Internet like real
>>> life...most likely because your real life is so utterly shit. My life
>>> is great so I don't need to retard online looking to get what *I've*
>>> already got, unlike you.
>
>>you still into infantilism?
>
> LOL, diaper trolled!
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/31804acd3d6ecf06
>
> Poor Stevie, bitch slapped *SO* badly he has to resort to scraping the
> VERY bottom of the Hatter Addict barrel. Tsch, tsch, tsch...yer so
> pathetic Stevie. If you like diapers so much though I'm sure I could
> arrange to have some sent to you:
> http://www.getrevengeonyourex.com/shop/shopletterlarge.php?p=120
>
> See I'm a firm believer that you should never attempt to attack anyone
> on a level that you yourself are not FULLY prepared to have delivered
> right back at yourself. So if you accuse me of being an
> infantilist...well, you shouldn't be too surprised if I go ahead and
> send some special messages to all your friends and family and
> employer, now should you? ^_^
oh, by all means do. let me know when you find a way...hint: first you have
to take your head outta your ass in order to look around. it is an amusing
thought, you trying to hack to find out anything about me. but again, by all
means do.
>>those pics were shocking.
>
> Yeah I never thought Photoshop edits could look so unbelievably fake
> either, although they were created by talentless meandering fuckwits
> like yourself without a single ounce of creative talent or ability.
>
>>your 'real life' seems to want to be a pretense on many fronts. must
>>be that your 'life is [NOT SO] great' afterall.
>
> I'm sure it wouldn't be if any of the delusions of Hatter Addicts like
> yourself were anywhere near rooted in reality, unfortunately for your
> lil wet dreams of retribution, they're not...but try and remember,
> whatever lies you accuse me of in place of a failed argument...I can
> accuse you of something even worse. Protip: Don't ever fuck with
> someone who has more creativity than you do.
ok...i'll stick to fucking around with you then.
bring it!
Steve
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 08:32:11 -0600, "Steve" <no....@example.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Onideus Mad Hatter" <use...@backwater-productions.net> wrote in message
>>news:e7h2r3l0cakn3oqaf...@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 14:35:37 -0800 (PST), "ajtri...@googlemail.com"
>>> <ajtri...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>Hasn't this discussion gone on long enough????
>>>
>>> Don't you wanna see how long Steve will try to get the last word in?
>>> That's the last failing attempt at saving face for someone whose been
>>> totally ripped apart, they may lose the argument, but by their God
>>> they WILL get the last word in...even if they have to reply to a
>>> couple hundred bot created follow-ups. LOL
>
>>hey, there it is...you actually said something. now, show me where you
>>actually 'ripped [me] apart'. name calling is not a valid co<COCK SLAP>
>
> Message-ID: <27p6q39qjfcivsv16...@4ax.com>
>
> ...well, that was easy. Remember fuckwit, YOU were the one who
> reached for pathetic insults first when you couldn't counter the
> arguments I presented in that post. You got soundly bitch slapped and
> then turned right around and started cryin about Wal*Mart in
> retaliation. You got pwn3d, bitch!
lol. for someone as 'leet' as you, you seem to scream that point-n-click and
'support' are really what you want. for the rest of us, we can go with
that...or, we can go with a more stable os like linux and support it
ourselves. a little reading never hurt anyone. that's free...like the os.
plus, there are plenty of free venues to get questions answered. as for
support that we may pay for? it is no more or less expensive than the
support one gets from ms. you 'point' (bitch slapping) is nullified. no
matter how you look at it though, the rest of us know that not many problems
have just one solution. hence, we look at the task and the tools.
as for insults? dude, you can't go three words without dropping f-bomb. and,
when i mentioned wally world, it was to remind you that your 'experience' is
working there in a non-developmental technical role...you are a technology
*consumer*, not a *provider*. the point was that your opinion carries less
merit than others who actually supply solutions.
you comparing yourself to einstein was very whimsical as well. the
difference between you and him is that he had a brain and used it. secondly,
i don't see you having the capacity to do much more with your career than
working where you currently are, doing exactly what you're doing now. i
mean, come on! 27? working the front-lines taking inventory? that's a job
for someone 10 years your junior.