Who is answering all the questions here?
tom c
developing with a new technology, and it would be extremely time
consuming and frustrating without this forum.
So who are the folks answering all the questions? Are you microsoft
employees or just kind helpful people or what?
If you are microsoft employees, is this your full time job to answer
questions here, or do you just do it a few hours a day?
Jacek Stawicki
Uzytkownik "tom c" <tomc...@gmail.com> napisal w wiadomosci
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I'm not from MS :) Personally for me, answering the questions is a great
entertainment during coffee break ;)
Regards
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JS
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Juan T. Llibre
can be told from the rest by their e-mail addresses.
They use a som...@online.microsoft.com e-mail address.
Others include either [Microsoft] or [MSFT] in their "From" ID.
The rest aren't Microsoft employees, and that includes the MVPs.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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Eliyahu Goldin
My hidden agenda for answering the questions is picking up these little
pieces of knowledge here and there. I make extensive use of them in my
projects.
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Ken Cox [Microsoft MVP]
Some of us are MVPs whose hobby is to help others with our favourite
technologies. MVPs are strictly volunteers but recognized by Microsoft. We
put in a few hours here and there as time is available.
There are many people who also feel the spirit of community and want to
"repay" the help they've received in the past. Others just want to "pay it
forward".
Some answers are by Microsoft employees. They respond to "customers" who
have registered with them for online support as part of an MSDN
subscription.
Ken
Microsoft MVP [ASP.NET]
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Mark Rae
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> Most of the frequent contributors are not Microsoft employees.
Which is why you almost always get an honest answer rather than the "one
hive-mind" attitude...
> My hidden agenda for answering the questions is picking up these little
> pieces of knowledge here and there. I make extensive use of them in my
> projects.
I couldn't agree more!
I reckon I ask nearly as many questions as I answer too... :-)
tom c
Alvin Bruney [MVP]
microsoft for pushing the .net technology.
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Jesse Liberty
very generous in its allocation of resources to MVP's, and I'm very
grateful, I've never felt myself asked to "push" any Microsoft technology,
nor would I ever consider doing so.
I write about Microsoft technology because that is (principally) what I use
as a developer, but I do not push it, and I recognize fully that it not
only has limitations but that there are times when other technologies are
more appropriate, cheaper, better, etc., and I'm not shy to write that nor
to recommend that to my customers. If I thought for a moment that being an
MVP meant compromising my objectivity, I don't see how I could accept the
reward or the honor, and my clients and readers would correctly stop seeing
me as a trustworthy source of information.
I don't mean to jump on innocent words, but I do think we want to be very
careful about the relationship between MVPs and Microsoft. As I see it, the
MVP is a recognition by Microsoft for those who have been helpful in
spreading information about Microsoft technology to the developer community,
and the balance between accepting such a recognition and being bribed and/or
accepting an incentive is one which those of us who are consultants and/or
authors or writers must watch very very carefully.
Thanks
-j
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Mark Rae
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> I'm sorry
What are you apologising for...?
Eliyahu Goldin
I am not going to disagree with you on your points, but you will probably
admit that easy access to online community support is one of the major
deciding factors in choosing technology. I think that's what Alvin meant.
Online community contributors push the .net technology by providing free
comprehensive online support.
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Software Developer & Consultant
Microsoft MVP [ASP.NET]
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Mark Rae
> Online community contributors push the .net technology by providing free
> comprehensive online support.
Agree 100%. After Google and/or MSDN, this is my main source of support.
Eliyahu Goldin
first try Google Groups and in most cases it brings something useful from
the newsgroups.
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Software Developer & Consultant
Microsoft MVP [ASP.NET]
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Kevin Spencer
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HTH,
Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
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Big thicks are made up of lots of little thins.
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Juan T. Llibre
I don't "push" anything.
I do, however, try to help my programmer peers if I have a solution to their problem.
I do that for free, not for pay.
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John Timney (MVP)
other MVP. We may get some benefits for being an MVP like MSDN access and
the odd free conference, but pay is certainly not one of them (if only).
I also dont "push" Microsoft technology, I answer questions, review books
etc. about a technology I am interested in and most MVP's would be just as
likely to suggest a non-microsoft technology if that was a more appropriate
solution to a question posed. I'm an MVP because I like to help in the
communities I tend to frequent not because Microsoft pay me or expect to to
push their latest buzz technology, I frequent these groups because I learn a
lot from people posting and answering questions.
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Regards
John Timney (MVP)
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Juan T. Llibre
> Online community contributors push the .net technology by providing free comprehensive online
> support.
No. We don't "push" anything.
When I have to criticize .Net for not having a feature,
or for having a poorly implemented one, I do.
The word "push" has a shill-like, or marketing, meaning which I despise.
Yes, we *do* provide free support, but we do it because
we enjoy helping people with their problems, not for any payment.
In my case, I find that helping others not only makes me feel good but also keeps
my skills sharp. Not all the answers given are canned or given from memory.
Sometimes I have to do significant research to get the answer.
Doing that helps me as well as it helps those who posted the problem.
re:
> I think that's what Alvin meant.
Alvin used an untrue description when he wrote that
MVPs are "paid a generous allowance from microsoft".
We are not *paid* anything.
Furthermore, linking such alleged, non-existent,
"payments" to "pushing the .net technology" really irks me.
MVPs receive technological tools from Microsoft as a way
to say "thanks for helping out", and not as payment of any kind.
I accept them gratefully, but they aren't "payment" for anything.
I don't sell myself for a few trinkets.
Juan T. Llibre, asp.net MVP
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Sahil Malik [MVP C#]
- Sahil Malik
http://blah.winsmarts.com
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Cheryl D Wise
I've never received a dime from but then I don't "push" MS technology
either. If a competitor's product is better for the tasks I'll recommend
using it. I am more likely to use php or classic asp since most of my
clients are not on web hosting that supports asp.net 2.0 and asp.net 1/1.1
does not output valid acoessible html. Which means I
can't use it.
The primary benefit I've received from MS as a result of being an MVP has
been the ability to tell someone on a dev team face to face where they
screwed up and also when they have done an outstanding job. ASP.NET 1.0 and
1.1 had a lot of the screw up conersations while 2.0 had many of the "that's
a big improvement" type. With Expression Web Designer there has been many
more of the "good" than "what were you thinking" conversations.
I participate in various communities because I appreciate the help I have
received in the past and believe in the paying of forward principle. Plus, I
continue to learn by participating, sometimes its a new apprach or it may be
something I've never thought about will be triggered by threads and
discussions. Like others of I have a hidden agenda it is to learn something
new myself.
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Cheryl D Wise
FrontPage MVP
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"Alvin Bruney [MVP]" <www.lulu.com/owc> wrote in message
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Alvin Bruney [MVP]
I wish to retract my statement made earlier. It was an attempt at humour
which, after some thought and much feedback, was in poor taste because it
promotes certain misconceptions about the MVP program. I apologize for my
recklessness and indiscretion.
To be clear, MVP's are not paid by Microsoft and are not mandated to push
Micrsoft technology. MVP's effect solutions to problems and if that means
recommending a software product be it Microsoft or other, the recommendation
is within that context.
That said, I personally do not receive monetary contributions from
Microsoft. While I certainly do recommend products, these recommendations
are made within the context of problem resolution and/or effective software
development.
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Warm regards,
Alvin Bruney [MVP ASP.NET]
[Shameless Author plug]
Professional VSTO.NET - Wrox/Wiley
The O.W.C. Black Book with .NET
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John McGhie [MVP - Word and Word Macintosh]
What??? Why wasn't I told?? Where can I get some of that???
People: Alvin's joking... The *Rules* state that if Microsoft ever agrees
to *pay* a person, they must return their MVP accreditation at that moment.
Many of you will know Rocky Heckman, a Security Expert. He was an MVP until
two weeks ago, when sadly we lost him because he is now paid by Microsoft.
Last time I applied for a job at Microsoft it was made very plain (by me and
by Microsoft...) that my MVP accreditation would cease if my application was
successful.
It wasn't -- I asked for too much money :-)
Those have been the rules since I got here in 1997, and they're not going to
change anytime soon.
I *usually* recommend Word because I think it's the best word-processor out
there. But I also recommend Adobe FrameMaker, IBM WordPro and Corel
WordPerfect for various jobs. Any dot-Net MVP in here will cheerfully tell
you if you would be better off using another technology.
Preserving that independence is fundamentally important to us MVPs, and to
Microsoft. So please take Alvin's remarks in the spirit in which they were
intended. There's been some suggestion that a few people didn't get the
joke :-)
Cheers
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"Alvin Bruney [MVP]" <www.lulu.com/owc> wrote:
> let's not forget to mention that MVP's are paid a generous allowance from
> microsoft for pushing the .net technology.
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Please reply to the newsgroup to maintain the thread. Please do not email
me unless I ask you to.
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Microsoft MVP, Word and Word for Macintosh. Consultant Technical Writer
Sydney, Australia +61 (0) 4 1209 1410
Juan T. Llibre
In any case, I take Alvin's apology to all of us at face value.
AFAIC : end of story. We all value Alvin's contributions.
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Cheryl D Wise
Problem with the web is there is no 'tone' of voice to indicate humour or
<sarcasm />
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FrontPage MVP
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