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Jed_Klampett

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May 17, 2002, 4:00:57 AM5/17/02
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I came up with a way to pass any exam in a week:

1) get questions you know are going to be on the exam ie braindumps!
On 217 they ask about udp port 1701 and ip port 50, how the heck are
you supposed to know they are going to ask you that? go to a braindump
site! Yesterday. Think that is cheating? Not me, I think it is
cheating to take your money year after year to keep your certs, I have
been an MCSE and MCT thru so many upgrades I am over it, and

2) get an audio program! you only retain 5-10% of what you study you
might as well review it over and over in the car on audio. If you
drive as much as me you can pass any exam in a week. Check out this
audio it is set to Mozart, good questions:
www.thebestever.net/mcseaudio.asp

Good luck. Jed

SmegHead

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May 17, 2002, 6:31:06 AM5/17/02
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...must not mock.....cant resist....brain overload.....

1) You know they are going to ask you that by learning the damn
material....its not rocket science! Yes it is cheating....plain and simple,
and if you dont think that then you are worse than pond scum! I though MCTs
could do the exams for free....correct me if im wrong?! What a pleasure it
is to have you as a fellow MCSE.....im honoured.

2) So it becomes a memory test rather than understanding the underlying
concepts....thats where i have been going wrong. You have inspired me to
set up my own braindump site, "Pass 70-240 in a week - 200 audio questions
set to ACDC.....It Rocks!!"

Feckin Tool!!!

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Don Julio

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May 17, 2002, 7:33:18 AM5/17/02
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I was hoping to add to that smeg.....but your retort was more than adequate.
I would however, with your permission, also like to call him a nasty name.


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diamondDan

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May 17, 2002, 8:44:44 AM5/17/02
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Well, weeeeelll doggies.

I think you should patent that proven and ideal study method (before someone
steals it from you like you steal the exam questions.)


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SmegHead

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May 17, 2002, 8:36:05 AM5/17/02
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Feel free....its people like this that are making it hard for me to find a
new job that pays well.
I spotted an ad last week that paid mcse qualified people £5/hour for 1st
line support - thats only just above minimum wage!

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diamondDan

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May 17, 2002, 9:07:04 AM5/17/02
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You've got to be kidding!

> I spotted an ad last week that paid mcse qualified people Ł5/hour for 1st

Don Julio

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May 17, 2002, 9:29:31 AM5/17/02
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Cheers..... will do

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SmegHead

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May 17, 2002, 9:34:30 AM5/17/02
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Unfortunately not....i think it was on Jobserve or GoJobSite...cant remember
which as i have been looking at them all.

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> You've got to be kidding!
>

> > I spotted an ad last week that paid mcse qualified people £5/hour for

Jeff Cochran

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May 17, 2002, 9:38:11 AM5/17/02
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On 17 May 2002 01:00:57 -0700, wideope...@yahoo.com
(Jed_Klampett) wrote:

>I came up with a way to pass any exam in a week:

Too bad the vendors only allow you 45 minutes or less. Maybe you
should spend a little less time with Ellie May and a little more time
on studying...

Jeff

CØnsultant®

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May 17, 2002, 10:16:43 AM5/17/02
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shouldn't you be huntin for some food?


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Roger Abell

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May 17, 2002, 10:53:11 AM5/17/02
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Prep methods are to be rated relative to one's objective.
Those may clear an exam but not create a career.
My interview questions are not in some braindump.

Create understanding and you will succeed.

--
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MVP (Windows Platform) Associate Expert
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Darkmere72

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May 17, 2002, 11:24:13 AM5/17/02
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Guys, take it easy...

There are very few people who can BS through an interview for a decent MCSE
post if they've just memorised stuff.

Most of the interviewers are IT people themselves.

In my opinion, it doesn't matter (in a job competition sense) if someone has
used braindumps, they won't get the job instead of you, 'cos they won't be able
to discuss any of the concepts!!!

Remember that sometimes you have to start at low wage in a good company. But
if you learn quickly, you'll be promoted quickly (especially if you have a
degree).

alan_davis

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May 17, 2002, 3:11:28 PM5/17/02
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>shouldn't you be huntin for some food?
>
His sister does that, he just does the cooking.

=mëanoldman=

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May 17, 2002, 3:20:45 PM5/17/02
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Stop picking on him. He's a poor mountaineer who barely kept his family
fed.

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alan_davis

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May 17, 2002, 3:32:41 PM5/17/02
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As he is his Mother's husband, it is his duty to provide for the
family. Sending his sister out hunting for food is just plain madness.
I mean, if she were to get eaten by some grizzly, would be his next
wife?

=mëanoldman=

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May 17, 2002, 3:44:24 PM5/17/02
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Well one day he was shooting at some food, when up from the ground came a
bubblin' crude. Oil that is, black gold...Texas tea.

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alan_davis

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May 17, 2002, 3:47:48 PM5/17/02
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lol

SlipStream

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May 17, 2002, 3:50:58 PM5/17/02
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MVP? what team were u on?? :P

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CØnsultant®

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May 17, 2002, 3:52:54 PM5/17/02
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now the next thing you know, old jed's a millionaire, ken-folk said, jed,
move away from there. they said caleeforneea's the place ya oughta be, so
they packed up there bags and the moved to beverly, hills that is

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alan_davis

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>now the next thing you know, old jed's a millionaire, ken-folk said, jed,
>move away from there. they said caleeforneea's the place ya oughta be, so
>they packed up there bags and the moved to beverly, hills that is

How do you remember all that?

=mëanoldman=

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May 17, 2002, 4:08:57 PM5/17/02
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Well, now it's time to say goodbye to Jed and all his kin
They would like to thank you folks for kindly droppin' in
You're all invited back again to this locality
To have a heapin' helpin' of their hospitality
Hillbilly, that is, set a spell, take your shoes off Y'all come back now,
hear?

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CØnsultant®

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May 17, 2002, 4:25:41 PM5/17/02
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uh, well, i watch too much tv, lol


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Kevin

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May 17, 2002, 4:49:53 PM5/17/02
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Thanks alot , now i cant that stupid f#*%ing song out of my head...lol


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S. O'Brien

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May 17, 2002, 5:35:35 PM5/17/02
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reruns!!!!


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S. O'Brien

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May 17, 2002, 5:36:05 PM5/17/02
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then it served its purpose

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Roger Abell

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May 18, 2002, 10:42:29 AM5/18/02
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OK - so now someone match up all those braindump
Q&As a letter for each and everyone can pass.

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S. O'Brien

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May 18, 2002, 4:03:25 PM5/18/02
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sure anyone can pass using a braindump... but how many can pass without it?

I can... can they?

Sue


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Jinxy

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May 19, 2002, 6:37:45 AM5/19/02
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An advert in our local newspapers job section detailed experience in each:-
Java, C++, Networking, Website design, SQL etc.. with at least 3 years
experience... and the wage? £15,000 pa.

Another needed an Oracle developer with 5 years experience for £17,000.

Another company wanted recently graduated IT student with minimum 2.1 degree
for £14,000.

Wonder if they were ever filled???


Jinxy

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> You've got to be kidding!
>

> > I spotted an ad last week that paid mcse qualified people £5/hour for

diamondDan

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May 20, 2002, 8:55:13 AM5/20/02
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I thought they "loaded up their truck and they moved to beverly"?

lol


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=mëanoldman=

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hills that is.

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S. O'Brien

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lol

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> Can anyone tell me how to switch on my PC desktop computer type thingy?
I
> don't wanna do any of that learning crap though, I just want you to tell
me.
> Better still if someone could come round to my caravan and do it for me I
> would be most obliged, just mind the ferrets and the dog on a rope. If
you
> let me know when yer comin' I'll have some lentil stew ready fer yer.


>
>
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Don Julio

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May 20, 2002, 9:41:31 AM5/20/02
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Hey, do you Yanks mind peeling your backsides out of bed a bit earlier, I've
had to talk to myself this morning and as riveting as I am, one gets bored
with one's own company after while. Typically, I join conversations just as
I am about ready for going home from work and frequently the next day.

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=mëanoldman=

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Talking to yourself is an early sign of schizophrenia.

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CØnsultant®

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sorry, i get in at 6:30am, as it is, any earlier, i could not function


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Don Julio

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I didn't know there was a 6:30 am .lol


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Tom MacIntyre

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On Mon, 20 May 2002 09:59:03 -0400, "=mëanoldman=" <meanoldman@(no
spam)irantthereforeiam.com> wrote:

>Talking to yourself is an early sign of schizophrenia.
>
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What is diagnosing other people's mental illnesses on Usenet an early
sign of?... :-)

Tom

=mëanoldman=

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7:15 here :-) I start my 7.5 hour work day at 8:30.

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Don Julio

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You talking to me or me?


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S. O'Brien

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Its a long weekend here... its 11 am now... I got outta bed a 1/2 hour
ago... :P

Sue


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=mëanoldman=

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Good point.....

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CØnsultant®

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yes, most women do after a long night of getting slammed ;-)


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Don Julio

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Flexi time rules, I start when I feel like it...............well that's not
strictly true, if I started when I felt like it I wouldn't be here at all
:-)


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S. O'Brien

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lmao... long weekend

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Tom MacIntyre

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On Mon, 20 May 2002 14:12:06 GMT, "S. O'Brien" <rme...@nospam.ca>
wrote:

>Its a long weekend here... its 11 am now... I got outta bed a 1/2 hour
>ago... :P
>
>Sue

Diito here, not too far from you probably (Cape Breton Island). I was
up late for me today, at 0810.

Lots to do, gardening, repair my sister's TV...hmmm...how to segue
this into an MCSE idea?...

I haven't a clue... :-)

Tom

S. O'Brien

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a few hours away... in NB

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Tom MacIntyre

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On Mon, 20 May 2002 14:32:20 GMT, "S. O'Brien" <rme...@nospam.ca>
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>a few hours away... in NB

Been there a few times. My first year university roomate lives in
Saint John, and we are still in contact with each other a few times a
year. His company likely has some MCSE's, so now I'm on topic... :-)

Tom

=mëanoldman=

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I can't stand when people make off topic posts.

That is off topic for this forum. ©

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S. O'Brien

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I'm studying for my MCSE at a college here in NB... there... back on
topic... :P

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CØnsultant®

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she has a man, please, keep moving


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Don Julio

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Me and my better half are (rather were) looking to Honeymoon near Lake Peyto
but she went and spent a bloody fortune on a wedding dress this weekend. So
now were probably going to be sleeping in a bus shelter in Blackpool.


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Tom MacIntyre

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On Mon, 20 May 2002 08:25:54 -0700, "CØnsultant®"
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>she has a man, please, keep moving
>

Why do people always think the worst? :-)

CØnsultant®

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because we're men and we're disgusting pigs


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Tom MacIntyre

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On Mon, 20 May 2002 11:21:38 -0700, "CØnsultant®"
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>because we're men and we're disgusting pigs
>

Besides that? :-)

I guess you have to live here to understand the connection felt by
most Atlantic Canadians for their fellow residents.

alan_davis

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What has this to do with Jed?

S. O'Brien

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May 20, 2002, 4:20:16 PM5/20/02
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mebbe he has ancestors in Canada?
lol
Sue
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=mëanoldman=

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*hands Alan the "Duh" award*

Look at the name of the original poster.

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alan_davis

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Mean, I know what the original thread was about.

I was merely pointing out the thread had 'gone off track', see?

=mëanoldman=

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You were not.

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alan_davis

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Was too...

CØnsultant®

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liar
that is off topic for this forum

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> Was too...


alan_davis

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You know, your right!

Si

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May 26, 2002, 3:54:36 PM5/26/02
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Smeg

as an MCT i get a 45% discount off the cost of exams

Si

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> ...must not mock.....cant resist....brain overload.....
>
> 1) You know they are going to ask you that by learning the damn
> material....its not rocket science! Yes it is cheating....plain and
simple,
> and if you dont think that then you are worse than pond scum! I though
MCTs
> could do the exams for free....correct me if im wrong?! What a pleasure it
> is to have you as a fellow MCSE.....im honoured.
>
> 2) So it becomes a memory test rather than understanding the underlying
> concepts....thats where i have been going wrong. You have inspired me to
> set up my own braindump site, "Pass 70-240 in a week - 200 audio questions
> set to ACDC.....It Rocks!!"
>
> Feckin Tool!!!
>
> --
> SmegHead
> "Better Dead Than Smeg"
>
> "Jed_Klampett" <wideope...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:88488ac.02051...@posting.google.com...
> > I came up with a way to pass any exam in a week:
> >
> > 1) get questions you know are going to be on the exam ie braindumps!
> > On 217 they ask about udp port 1701 and ip port 50, how the heck are
> > you supposed to know they are going to ask you that? go to a braindump
> > site! Yesterday. Think that is cheating? Not me, I think it is
> > cheating to take your money year after year to keep your certs, I have
> > been an MCSE and MCT thru so many upgrades I am over it, and
> >
> > 2) get an audio program! you only retain 5-10% of what you study you
> > might as well review it over and over in the car on audio. If you
> > drive as much as me you can pass any exam in a week. Check out this
> > audio it is set to Mozart, good questions:
> > www.thebestever.net/mcseaudio.asp
> >
> > Good luck. Jed
>
>


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what's a braindump and where do i find one?


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Jtyc

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> what's a braindump and where do i find one?


Check your shorts.


=mëanoldman=

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Check some of Consultant's recent posts for a link.

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www.ratemypoo.com is a great site for dumps


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jed thanks for the audiosite i like the idea of music with guest there's
is good science behide that type of study. As for smegabreath busting
you for useing braindumps thats how this site got started I have an idea
start a free site then went it gets useful hit them up for the bucks.


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did not see anything that would help my mcse at ratemypoo.com

any more ideas?


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> did not see anything that would help my mcse at ratemypoo.com
>
> any more ideas?
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how about icantbelieve.youwent.thereforthat.com


mfgrandalski

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I love seeing complaints from people who complain about having to
recertify every couple of years. It's usually the money they complain
about but it is really the time needed to keep current - they think
nothing has changed or their skills are still sharp as the first day. In
reality they are JUST LAZY.

Well I hope someday these complainers need surgery and get a doctor that
has the same attitude about keeping current!!


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well said!!!

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Don Julio

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Ooooh .. i was going to say that


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S.O'Brien

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not my fault you are old and slow!!!! lol

sue
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Barko

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I love to see all the high and mighty "anti-braindumpers" get so riled.
The sentiment that you cannot learn the concepts etc. by memorizing is
true as far as that goes, and neophytes cannot learn from braindumps OR
study guides. You need real on the job experience. But those of us who
have been in the trenches for ahwile, and on the cert merry-go-round, we
already know the concepts, we know our jobs. We know that test questions
do not match the reality of the work place, especially the trick
questions. Dang right I will use braindumps, to see what is going to be
on the test, to focus my studying so I can maintain my cert and get on
with the real work at hand.
In fact, making good use of a braindump is not a matter of memorizing,
its still hard work and takes lots of study. Now I am sure one of you
mean and nasty "anti-dumpers" is going to slice and dice me and call me
bad names. Grow up!


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Jtyc

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> not my fault you are old and slow!!!! lol
>

Age is a thing of the mind.


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*slices, dices and calls Barko bad names*

Happy?

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Jtyc

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> I love to see all the high and mighty "anti-braindumpers" get so riled.
> The sentiment that you cannot learn the concepts etc. by memorizing is
> true as far as that goes, and neophytes cannot learn from braindumps OR
> study guides. You need real on the job experience. But those of us who
> have been in the trenches for ahwile, and on the cert merry-go-round, we
> already know the concepts, we know our jobs. We know that test questions
> do not match the reality of the work place, especially the trick
> questions. Dang right I will use braindumps, to see what is going to be
> on the test, to focus my studying so I can maintain my cert and get on
> with the real work at hand.
> In fact, making good use of a braindump is not a matter of memorizing,
> its still hard work and takes lots of study. Now I am sure one of you
> mean and nasty "anti-dumpers" is going to slice and dice me and call me
> bad names. Grow up!
>

You do know that if you actually, truly knew the subject matter, you would
not need a braindump or practice tests for that matter.

You do know that right?


diamondDan

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Jun 25, 2002, 1:26:56 PM6/25/02
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In article <Barko...@mail.examnotes.net>, Barko decided to open his
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> I love to see all the high and mighty "anti-braindumpers" get so riled.

Since when is defending what is right "high and mighty"?

> The sentiment that you cannot learn the concepts etc. by memorizing is
> true as far as that goes, and neophytes cannot learn from braindumps OR
> study guides.

And yet these "neophytes" get certified every day by using the same
braindumps that you do.

> You need real on the job experience. But those of us who
> have been in the trenches for ahwile, and on the cert merry-go-round, we
> already know the concepts, we know our jobs.

If you know network administration and design so well, why the need to
cheat?

> We know that test questions
> do not match the reality of the work place, especially the trick
> questions.

Trick questions, or just too difficult for you and beyond your realm of
expertise?

> Dang right I will use braindumps, to see what is going to be
> on the test, to focus my studying so I can maintain my cert and get on
> with the real work at hand.

Microsoft provides on their website what is going to be on the test by
means of a subject matter checklist for every exam. A real professional
doesn't need to cheat to pass, they simply know the product and the
concepts and can answer difficult questions concerning its usage.

BTW - using braindumps will not help you maintain your cert. In fact
just the opposite - let Microsoft have your personal information and
tell them that you use braindumps. They will help you get off the 'cert
merry-go-round' by stripping you of your certs!

> In fact, making good use of a braindump is not a matter of memorizing,
> its still hard work and takes lots of study.

Sure, cheating is always hard work, yeah sure! Try studying the right
way and then come back to us and tell us which is harder!

> Now I am sure one of you
> mean and nasty "anti-dumpers" is going to slice and dice me and call me
> bad names. Grow up!

No bad names here, just punching holes in your weak arguments which
support illegal activities. I would just as readily argue against the
exploitation of children or the legalization of drugs as solutions to
the problems that face us.

> Barko
> Don't sweat the hard stuff...

I guess your solution to the hard stuff is just to cheat, then you don't
have to sweat it, right?

_Mike_

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"Jtyc" <y...@respondtothegroup.com> wrote in message
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> You do know that if you actually, truly knew the subject matter, you would
> not need a braindump or practice tests for that matter.
>
> You do know that right?

Are we talking about the real world know things, or the MS test world
which is pretty divorced from the real world?

You only need to spend a few months with just about any academic
to know how divorced they are from the real world.

Cheers
Mike


diamondDan

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> "Jtyc" <y...@respondtothegroup.com> wrote in message

Probably the biggest reason is that the Microsoft exams cover *all*
areas of the product, while in the real world will you seldom use the
entire feature set. Yes, you may have a level of proficiency which in
your realm, is quite impressive. But in comparison with someone who
knows the whole product, your skill level is lacking.

Microsoft is testing people on the entire feature set, and that is why
the exams can differ from real life. They want certified professionals
that are not limited in scope to workgroup networking, or single
language implementations, or single site domains, for example. They want
you to be comfortable with almost any application in which the product
may be used.

_Mike_

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"diamondDan" <diamo...@mcngp.tk> wrote in message
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> Probably the biggest reason is that the Microsoft exams cover *all*
> areas of the product, while in the real world will you seldom use the
> entire feature set. Yes, you may have a level of proficiency which in
> your realm, is quite impressive. But in comparison with someone who
> knows the whole product, your skill level is lacking.
>
> Microsoft is testing people on the entire feature set, and that is why
> the exams can differ from real life. They want certified professionals
> that are not limited in scope to workgroup networking, or single
> language implementations, or single site domains, for example. They want
> you to be comfortable with almost any application in which the product
> may be used.

Let me see if I am understanding you correctly, the exams represent
what you need in real life covering all aspects and features of the
product?

I must have done fake MS exams, because they hardly covered all
areas at all, tended to push features they wanted to emphasize from
a marketing point of view, like RIS etc. I was continuously hammered
that I have to remember the MS answer, rather than the real world
answer. E.G., you cannot build a Win2K server using RIS. The only
form of raid 5 arrays, is the MS software versions, etc. etc.

Cheers
Mike


diamondDan

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In article <uc1cINIHCHA.1104@tkmsftngp11>, _Mike_ decided to open his
mouth and remove all doubt by saying...

>

> "diamondDan" <diamo...@mcngp.tk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.17827e4d...@news.epix.net...
>
> > Probably the biggest reason is that the Microsoft exams cover *all*
> > areas of the product, while in the real world will you seldom use the
> > entire feature set. Yes, you may have a level of proficiency which in
> > your realm, is quite impressive. But in comparison with someone who
> > knows the whole product, your skill level is lacking.
> >
> > Microsoft is testing people on the entire feature set, and that is why
> > the exams can differ from real life. They want certified professionals
> > that are not limited in scope to workgroup networking, or single
> > language implementations, or single site domains, for example. They want
> > you to be comfortable with almost any application in which the product
> > may be used.
>
> Let me see if I am understanding you correctly, the exams represent
> what you need in real life covering all aspects and features of the
> product?

No, as I stated "Microsoft exams cover *all* areas of the product, while
in the real world will you seldom use the entire feature set". Learn the
difference!



> I must have done fake MS exams, because they hardly covered all
> areas at all,

It is obvious that with a 60 or so question exam you cannot cover
everything, but the pool of questions considered as a whole covers most
of the concepts.

> tended to push features they wanted to emphasize from
> a marketing point of view, like RIS etc.

Yes, you can expect a certain margin of marketing spin on the exams as
it is clearly *not* vendor neutral. That just goes with the territory.

> I was continuously hammered that I have to remember the MS answer,
> rather than the real world answer.

From your bootcamp instructors, no doubt, who directed your attention
more on the questions tested rather than fully knowing the product.
Which would have been impossible in the week that it took you to get
your MCSE!

> E.G., you cannot build a Win2K server using RIS. The only
> form of raid 5 arrays, is the MS software versions, etc. etc.

Yes, I am sure that Microsoft feels that the *only* version of RAID in
the world is their software flavor! Get real!

> Cheers
> Mike
>
>
>
Fine, you go elsewhere and take some other exams. Sheesh, I've never
seen someone so doggedly pursue a pointless discussion! Complain,
complain, complain. That is the way the test is, that is the way it is
designed, and until they make it otherwise, that is the way you will
have to take it.

Still don't like it? Go to Linux and be a happier man!

_Mike_

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"diamondDan" <diamo...@mcngp.tk> wrote in message
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> No, as I stated "Microsoft exams cover *all* areas of the product, while
> in the real world will you seldom use the entire feature set". Learn the
> difference!

And I said they do not, how many times do I have to say this before
you realise what I said?

> > I must have done fake MS exams, because they hardly covered all
> > areas at all,
>
> It is obvious that with a 60 or so question exam you cannot cover
> everything,

Uh oh, but hang on, you claimed I could not understand that they do,
but suddenly you claim they do not?

> but the pool of questions considered as a whole covers most
> of the concepts.

So now it is not all but most. How can I learn the difference
until you make up your mind and stick to one claim?


> > tended to push features they wanted to emphasize from
> > a marketing point of view, like RIS etc.
>
> Yes, you can expect a certain margin of marketing spin on the exams as
> it is clearly *not* vendor neutral. That just goes with the territory.

Just pointing out that not all aspects are covered, not saying that it is
not to be expected.

> > I was continuously hammered that I have to remember the MS answer,
> > rather than the real world answer.
>
> From your bootcamp instructors, no doubt, who directed your attention
> more on the questions tested rather than fully knowing the product.
> Which would have been impossible in the week that it took you to get
> your MCSE!

You have of course reviewed the whole course, all the material etc. in
coming to this conclusion? Or are you just another know it all who is
so briliant you even know about what you have not experienced?
These boot camp instructors are all MS certified and have in most
cases been for many years.

> > E.G., you cannot build a Win2K server using RIS. The only
> > form of raid 5 arrays, is the MS software versions, etc. etc.
>
> Yes, I am sure that Microsoft feels that the *only* version of RAID in
> the world is their software flavor! Get real!

Had a hardware based question where I was afterwards told I got the
answer wrong because I selected raid5 as a quickest drive option.
It is in the real world, but apparently not so in the MS world.


> Fine, you go elsewhere and take some other exams. Sheesh, I've never
> seen someone so doggedly pursue a pointless discussion! Complain,
> complain, complain. That is the way the test is, that is the way it is
> designed, and until they make it otherwise, that is the way you will
> have to take it.
> Still don't like it? Go to Linux and be a happier man!

Now here is the skill and intelligence of a super being, you either
agree with me or stuff off. Shame on you, have not got the skills to
show me up so you would rather wish me away.

Sorry, you might succeed in bullying a lot of well intentioned people
just trying to get ahead on this forum, but you aint going to do so
with me.

Cheers
Mike


diamondDan

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mouth and remove all doubt by saying...

> "diamondDan" <diamo...@mcngp.tk> wrote in message


> news:MPG.1782a039...@news.epix.net...
>
> > No, as I stated "Microsoft exams cover *all* areas of the product, while
> > in the real world will you seldom use the entire feature set". Learn the
> > difference!
>
> And I said they do not, how many times do I have to say this before
> you realise what I said?
>
> > > I must have done fake MS exams, because they hardly covered all
> > > areas at all,
> >
> > It is obvious that with a 60 or so question exam you cannot cover
> > everything,
>
> Uh oh, but hang on, you claimed I could not understand that they do,
> but suddenly you claim they do not?
>
> > but the pool of questions considered as a whole covers most
> > of the concepts.
>
> So now it is not all but most. How can I learn the difference
> until you make up your mind and stick to one claim?
>

Here is what I meant:
1) Microsoft test objectives (from their website) tell test takers what
kind of material they should study for before taking the test. The test
objectives are comprehensive and cover everything from simple attended
installation to complex enterprise applications of the product.

2) The pool of test questions covers many of the objectives stated in 1)
and attempts to do so in a 'real world' manner by presenting scenario
based problem solving questions. The pool of questions is not as
comprehensive as the test objectives.

3) The 60 or so questions that you get when you take the test are pulled
from 2), and thus are even less comprehensive than the pool itself,
which is less comprehensive than the test objectives. Even at this
level, it still can take a couple of hours to finish the exam. The
purpose is to sample the test objectives in a reasonable time frame.

<snip>

> > > E.G., you cannot build a Win2K server using RIS. The only
> > > form of raid 5 arrays, is the MS software versions, etc. etc.
> >
> > Yes, I am sure that Microsoft feels that the *only* version of RAID in
> > the world is their software flavor! Get real!
>
> Had a hardware based question where I was afterwards told I got the
> answer wrong because I selected raid5 as a quickest drive option.
> It is in the real world, but apparently not so in the MS world.
>

It is a sad fact that in the real world, the *correct* answer is not
always the *right* answer. Anybody who has ever had to deal with a CFO,
CIO, or CEO knows what I am talking about. A major part of success in
this world is knowing *when* and to *whom* you are answering. As was
mentioned, these tests are not vendor neutral, so in this respect it
pays to know the MS 'corporate correct' answer. It may not be the best
solution in real life, but consider the 'person' you are answering to.

BTW - which exam was that question on? Where you had to select the
quickest drive option, a hardware based question?

>
> > Fine, you go elsewhere and take some other exams. Sheesh, I've never
> > seen someone so doggedly pursue a pointless discussion! Complain,
> > complain, complain. That is the way the test is, that is the way it is
> > designed, and until they make it otherwise, that is the way you will
> > have to take it.
> > Still don't like it? Go to Linux and be a happier man!
>
> Now here is the skill and intelligence of a super being, you either
> agree with me or stuff off. Shame on you, have not got the skills to
> show me up so you would rather wish me away.

No, I am just saying that ranting and raving in a newsgroup will not
solve your testing dilemmas, and many of us here are tired of your
soapbox drivel.

If you want to offer help to those starting the cert path, or can offer
technical advice to those setting up a home lab, fine. In that case we
encourage you to stay and keep posting. But if your only purpose here is
to complain about how unrealistic and unfair the test is and how great
your bootcamp training was, then shove off. And yes, I do have the
skills to show you up AND I would like to wish you away! BOTH!



> Sorry, you might succeed in bullying a lot of well intentioned people
> just trying to get ahead on this forum, but you aint going to do so
> with me.

Bullying? No, sorry, I am quite helpful when I want to be. If someone is
"well intentioned" I go to great lengths to help and advise them. You on
the other hand just want to argue and are quite stubborn.

>
> Cheers
> Mike
>
>
>

70-224

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> In article <OXYST$IHCHA.2640@tkmsftngp11>, _Mike_ decided to open his
> > Had a hardware based question where I was afterwards told I got the
> > answer wrong because I selected raid5 as a quickest drive option.
> > It is in the real world, but apparently not so in the MS world.

Quickest drive isn't Raid 5 in real life either. Especially in software raid
situations.....


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_Mike_

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"diamondDan" <diamo...@mcngp.tk> wrote in message
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> Here is what I meant:
> 1) Microsoft test objectives (from their website) tell test takers what
> kind of material they should study for before taking the test. The test
> objectives are comprehensive and cover everything from simple attended
> installation to complex enterprise applications of the product.
>
> 2) The pool of test questions covers many of the objectives stated in 1)
> and attempts to do so in a 'real world' manner by presenting scenario
> based problem solving questions. The pool of questions is not as
> comprehensive as the test objectives.
>
> 3) The 60 or so questions that you get when you take the test are pulled
> from 2), and thus are even less comprehensive than the pool itself,
> which is less comprehensive than the test objectives. Even at this
> level, it still can take a couple of hours to finish the exam. The
> purpose is to sample the test objectives in a reasonable time frame.

Right, in reality pretty close to me saying the tests do not cover the
whole product at all.

> BTW - which exam was that question on? Where you had to select the
> quickest drive option, a hardware based question?

Cannot remember the exact details, to be honest, either 210, 270 or 215.
What happened is as I walked out of the exam, another person was
explaining this exact question to the our instructor, I piped in I had
selected Raid 5, the instructor immediately said no, as MS only look
at Raid 5 as being software initiated, striping would be quicker.
I only remember this at all because of this incident.

> No, I am just saying that ranting and raving in a newsgroup will not
> solve your testing dilemmas, and many of us here are tired of your
> soapbox drivel.

It might be a shock to you, but most of this news group is your clan
ranting and raving about brain dumpers etc.

> If you want to offer help to those starting the cert path, or can offer
> technical advice to those setting up a home lab, fine. In that case we
> encourage you to stay and keep posting. But if your only purpose here is
> to complain about how unrealistic and unfair the test is and how great
> your bootcamp training was, then shove off. And yes, I do have the
> skills to show you up AND I would like to wish you away! BOTH!

Again, most of your posts are ranting at people on brain dumping or
so called funny one liners between yourselves. You feel you are
entitled to give me advice on what to post, I suggest you first
practice what you preach.

The boot camp issue came up because the super intelligent 172 IQ
deemed I was incapble of remembering what I had done on the
course two days after I had done this.

> > Sorry, you might succeed in bullying a lot of well intentioned people
> > just trying to get ahead on this forum, but you aint going to do so
> > with me.
>
> Bullying? No, sorry, I am quite helpful when I want to be.

Plenty bullies can be helpful when they want to be, they never seem
to want to be helpful.

Cheers
Mike


diamondDan

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In article <#ZYj3GVHCHA.2604@tkmsftngp11>, _Mike_ decided to open his
mouth and remove all doubt by saying...

>

> "diamondDan" <diamo...@mcngp.tk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.178386a26...@news.epix.net...
>
> > Here is what I meant:
> > 1) Microsoft test objectives (from their website) tell test takers what
> > kind of material they should study for before taking the test. The test
> > objectives are comprehensive and cover everything from simple attended
> > installation to complex enterprise applications of the product.
> >
> > 2) The pool of test questions covers many of the objectives stated in 1)
> > and attempts to do so in a 'real world' manner by presenting scenario
> > based problem solving questions. The pool of questions is not as
> > comprehensive as the test objectives.
> >
> > 3) The 60 or so questions that you get when you take the test are pulled
> > from 2), and thus are even less comprehensive than the pool itself,
> > which is less comprehensive than the test objectives. Even at this
> > level, it still can take a couple of hours to finish the exam. The
> > purpose is to sample the test objectives in a reasonable time frame.
>
> Right, in reality pretty close to me saying the tests do not cover the
> whole product at all.
>

They cover as much of the product as is reasonable with a 60 question/2
hour exam. It's called selective quality assurance, whereby you test a
sample set to determine a baseline for the whole package. There is a
certain margin for error, but it is manageable.

Besides, who wants to sit down for a 1,000 question, 3 day exam to test
all of the features for 2000 Server. And that would just be for 70-215!
Get a grip, man!

> > BTW - which exam was that question on? Where you had to select the
> > quickest drive option, a hardware based question?
>
> Cannot remember the exact details, to be honest, either 210, 270 or 215.
> What happened is as I walked out of the exam, another person was
> explaining this exact question to the our instructor, I piped in I had
> selected Raid 5, the instructor immediately said no, as MS only look
> at Raid 5 as being software initiated, striping would be quicker.
> I only remember this at all because of this incident.

Either you or the instructor is confused.



> > No, I am just saying that ranting and raving in a newsgroup will not
> > solve your testing dilemmas, and many of us here are tired of your
> > soapbox drivel.
>
> It might be a shock to you, but most of this news group is your clan
> ranting and raving about brain dumpers etc.

Yeah and helping people make training decisions, implementing home
networks, selecting test electives, answering sample test questions,
discussing DHCP and DNS, and all that!

> > If you want to offer help to those starting the cert path, or can offer
> > technical advice to those setting up a home lab, fine. In that case we
> > encourage you to stay and keep posting. But if your only purpose here is
> > to complain about how unrealistic and unfair the test is and how great
> > your bootcamp training was, then shove off. And yes, I do have the
> > skills to show you up AND I would like to wish you away! BOTH!
>
> Again, most of your posts are ranting at people on brain dumping or
> so called funny one liners between yourselves. You feel you are
> entitled to give me advice on what to post, I suggest you first
> practice what you preach.

Just who the devil are you anyway? Your only posts are defending
bootcamps and yourself! Start reading some of this forum before you came
on the scene and you will see a different picture.



> The boot camp issue came up because the super intelligent 172 IQ
> deemed I was incapble of remembering what I had done on the
> course two days after I had done this.

I too feel you are incapable of remembering what you did at the boot
camp, and I challenge you to retake a Microsoft test to see how you do!

> > > Sorry, you might succeed in bullying a lot of well intentioned people
> > > just trying to get ahead on this forum, but you aint going to do so
> > > with me.
> >
> > Bullying? No, sorry, I am quite helpful when I want to be.
>
> Plenty bullies can be helpful when they want to be, they never seem
> to want to be helpful.

I have been helpful on a number of occasions. You are just upset that
everyone seems to be against you and your arguments. Why else did you
change your nic? Got tired of being killfiled? Keep it up, chump and
you'll be in my bozo bin again. Or is that bullying?

cross36

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Funny posting. How to be a king in Dumping, and memorizaton. Get a
lifetime supply of Ginkgo Biloba and Braindumps, EHE


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