> Just wondering how much overlap there is between the 290 > and 270 exams? > Looking at the curriculum on the MS site, there seems to > be quite a bit.
> Without anyone violating the NDA, what info can people > share with me on the similarities between these two exams?
> Cheers, > Dan.
For me, the only real overlap was in NTFS / share permissions scenarios. I would study those ad nauseum, set up a test server, create some user accounts and go to town assigning them different types of permissions and seeing what the users can do and what they cannot.
And oh yeah, roaming / mandatory / local profiles may have appeared on both tests as well.
>> Just wondering how much overlap there is between the 290 >> and 270 exams? >> Looking at the curriculum on the MS site, there seems to >> be quite a bit.
>> Without anyone violating the NDA, what info can people >> share with me on the similarities between these two exams?
>> Cheers, >> Dan.
> For me, the only real overlap was in NTFS / share permissions > scenarios. I would study those ad nauseum, set up a test server, create > some user accounts and go to town assigning them different types of > permissions and seeing what the users can do and what they cannot.
> And oh yeah, roaming / mandatory / local profiles may have appeared on > both tests as well.
> But really that's about it.
Actually, disk management, TCP/IP configuration, installation methods, group policy, permissions, user rights, microsoft management console, domain vs. workgroup, all of these things and more can come up on both exams. Accepted wisdom says to study for both exams together and take professional first, then server. I did it the other way around and did fine though.
-- Catwalker aka Pu$$y Feet BS, MCP, MCSA MCNGP #43 www.mcngp.com faq.mcngp.com "If man could be crossed with the cat, it would improve man, but it would deteriorate the cat." Mark Twain
Completely different approach on both exams. 70-290 deals with mirrored drives and RAID-5 for example which you can't even install on XP.
>TCP/IP configuration,
Same on both, I guess.
> installation methods,
Night and day. RIPrep and RIS servers never appear on 70-290.
> group policy, permissions, user rights,
70-270 had very little on GPOs as I can recall.
> microsoft management console,
Hardly mentioned at all in the 70-270.
> domain vs. workgroup,
Wha? Never came up.
> all of these things and more can come up on both > exams. Accepted wisdom says to study for both exams together and take > professional first, then server. I did it the other way around and did > fine though.
> -- > Catwalker
Prepping for both at the same time can't hurt, but I definitely wouldn't study for one and think it pretty enabled me to pass the other. The two exams are completely different for the most part and require studying as such.
> Prepping for both at the same time can't hurt, but I definitely > wouldn't study for one and think it pretty enabled me to pass the > other. The two exams are completely different for the most part and > require studying as such.
You had one exam with one set of questions. Don't assume that's the mix everyone is going to get. The exam objectives show definite overlap. You have to know how each fits into a network with many platforms and structures. The questions combine concepts and expect you to know how things fit together, including how professional and server interact. I have found that each exam builds on another. It is better to treat them less as discrete exams and more as a puzzle the gets clearer the more pieces you add.
-- Catwalker aka Pu$$y Feet BS, MCP, MCSA MCNGP #43 www.mcngp.com faq.mcngp.com "If man could be crossed with the cat, it would improve man, but it would deteriorate the cat." Mark Twain
> Just wondering how much overlap there is between the 290 > and 270 exams? > Looking at the curriculum on the MS site, there seems to > be quite a bit.
I found them very different. I breezed through 270 and well, you know the 290 story.
You can pass 270 without ever having touched a server. 'Nuff said.
> You had one exam with one set of questions. Don't assume that's the mix > everyone is going to get. The exam objectives show definite overlap. > You have to know how each fits into a network with many platforms and > structures. The questions combine concepts and expect you to know how > things fit together, including how professional and server interact. I > have found that each exam builds on another. It is better to treat them > less as discrete exams and more as a puzzle the gets clearer the more > pieces you add.
I see the exams as discrete exams. The .NET exams for example have nothing to do with supporting XP Pro, which has nothing to do with managing a SQL Server. On the MCSE track there is some overlap... more between 70-291 and 70-293 for example... but I think that's more to do with the fact that planning a network and maintaining a network are highly interrelated disciplines - in other words, to support a network properly, it helps to know how to set things up, and to set things up, it helps to have had real-life experience supporting and troubleshooting a network.
I'm not sure the same is true though with client / server interaction. You can be an excellent client-side support tech without having touched a server, and you can be a server admin guru who would be at a loss when resolving client-side issues... though most admins can generally handle both disciplines...
> I see the exams as discrete exams. The .NET exams for example have > nothing to do with supporting XP Pro, which has nothing to do with > managing a SQL Server. On the MCSE track there is some overlap... more > between 70-291 and 70-293 for example... but I think that's more to do > with the fact that planning a network and maintaining a network are > highly interrelated disciplines - in other words, to support a network > properly, it helps to know how to set things up, and to set things up, > it helps to have had real-life experience supporting and > troubleshooting a network.
> I'm not sure the same is true though with client / server interaction. > You can be an excellent client-side support tech without having > touched a server, and you can be a server admin guru who would be at a > loss when resolving client-side issues... though most admins can > generally handle both disciplines...
I'm going to disagree with you again. While there may be some truth to what you say, learning the client OS will help you with server and learning the server OS will help you with the client, especially in this instance where they are both MS and have many of the core elements in common. That doesn't mean everything is the same, but they many similarities and many of the same tools. Maybe I'm just more of a big picture type person, but I prefer to see the network and the certification as a whole and the client, server, and each exam as pieces that belong to the whole. (We are talking about the MCSE/MCSA certification and I don't remember the OP mentioning anything about .NET exams and knowing server will have a huge impact on learning SQL server.) Like a puzzle, the exam topics interlock. The more you know about all the topics, the better you will do on each exam.
I actually started my study with Active Directory since it was the major change in between NT4 and 2000 and I think it was a good decision. I didn't take the AD exam until much later, but I think it was critical to my understanding of server and the role it plays on the network. Every exam I've taken has built on knowledge and experience I have gained from studying for the previous exam. My experience managing a network also helped trememdously even though it is with NT4, Netware, and IBM AS400/Mainframe server systems. I'm not saying you can't pass the client exam without all the other stuff, I'm just saying the many of the skills overlap, which is what the OP was asking. I'm also suggesting that the goal for the certification shouldn't just be to get the cert but to really learn the material and be able to apply what was learned.
-- Catwalker aka Pu$$y Feet BS, MCP, MCSA MCNGP #43 www.mcngp.com faq.mcngp.com "If man could be crossed with the cat, it would improve man, but it would deteriorate the cat." Mark Twain
> > I see the exams as discrete exams. The .NET exams for example have > > nothing to do with supporting XP Pro, which has nothing to do with > > managing a SQL Server. On the MCSE track there is some overlap... more > > between 70-291 and 70-293 for example... but I think that's more to do > > with the fact that planning a network and maintaining a network are > > highly interrelated disciplines - in other words, to support a network > > properly, it helps to know how to set things up, and to set things up, > > it helps to have had real-life experience supporting and > > troubleshooting a network.
> > I'm not sure the same is true though with client / server interaction. > > You can be an excellent client-side support tech without having > > touched a server, and you can be a server admin guru who would be at a > > loss when resolving client-side issues... though most admins can > > generally handle both disciplines...
> I'm going to disagree with you again. While there may be some truth to > what you say, learning the client OS will help you with server and > learning the server OS will help you with the client, especially in this > instance where they are both MS and have many of the core elements in > common. That doesn't mean everything is the same, but they many > similarities and many of the same tools. Maybe I'm just more of a big > picture type person, but I prefer to see the network and the > certification as a whole and the client, server, and each exam as pieces > that belong to the whole. (We are talking about the MCSE/MCSA > certification and I don't remember the OP mentioning anything about .NET > exams and knowing server will have a huge impact on learning SQL server.) > Like a puzzle, the exam topics interlock. The more you know about all > the topics, the better you will do on each exam.
Well, I was actually talking about MCP exams in general not being one big puzzle, 'cause not knowing quite what you were going on about, I thought that was the point you were tyring to make. But if you want to specifically talk about the MCSE track as well, the comment also applies because SQL Server is an elective for the MCSE/MCSA. And you can manage a SQL Server quite well without having any knowledge of the vast majority of client or server issues (unless you're talking about SQL client issues...)
I think you mentioned once you were going for your 2000 MCSE. Have you taken the 70-290 and the 70-270? 'Cause again, I'm not sure where you're coming from in stating the tests are similar. There is a small amount of overlap (that I covered earlier) and yes, having knowledge of both server and client is helpful to pass both exams and helpful in sys admining in general (duh), but there is ton of information exclusive to the 70-270 exam that isn't covered in 70-290, and a hell of a lot of stuff in the 70-290 which isn't covered in the 70-270. I'd say the overlap is at most 10% between the two tests, with 90% being entirely different. Again, without straying off topic, this is what we were originally discussing without going into long-winded discussions about how everything interlocks perfectly or whatever... (I think you're giving M$oft way too much credit...)
And I said, I don't care if they lay me off either, because I told, I told Bill that if they move my desk one more time, then, then I'm, I'm quitting, I'm going to quit. And, and I told Don too, because they've moved my desk four times already this year, and I used to be over by the window, and I could see the squirrels, and they were merry, but then, they switched from the Swingline to the Bostich stapler, but I kept my Swingline stapler because it didn't bind up as much, and I kept the staples for the Swingline stapler and it's not okay because if they take my stapler then I'll set the building on fire...
-- Catwalker aka Pu$$y Feet BS, MCP, MCSA MCNGP #43 www.mcngp.com faq.mcngp.com "If man could be crossed with the cat, it would improve man, but it would deteriorate the cat." Mark Twain
catwalker63 wrote: > And I said, I don't care if they lay me off either, because I told, I > told Bill that if they move my desk one more time, then, then I'm, I'm > quitting, I'm going to quit. And, and I told Don too, because they've > moved my desk four times already this year, and I used to be over by the > window, and I could see the squirrels, and they were merry, but then, > they switched from the Swingline to the Bostich stapler, but I kept my > Swingline stapler because it didn't bind up as much, and I kept the > staples for the Swingline stapler and it's not okay because if they take > my stapler then I'll set the building on fire...
???
So what you're trying to say is that the reason for your nonsensical rants about how all the MCSE tests are pieces to a puzzle is due to the fact that you're the female equivalent of the red stapler dude from 'Office Space'?
