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Pete Delgado

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Jan 2, 2008, 3:00:40 PM1/2/08
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Just curious if anyone has used the dd-WRT firmware to update thier MN-700?
If so, how well does it seem to work?

http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv2/index.php

-Pete


Jason Tsang

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Jan 2, 2008, 3:18:25 PM1/2/08
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What makes you think that it would work?
Don't see any indication that it would work at all...

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Pete Delgado

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"Jason Tsang" <jason-o...@ETEmvps.org> wrote in message
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> What makes you think that it would work?
> Don't see any indication that it would work at all...

Jason,
Did you look at the supported devices page?

http://gopaultech.com/blog/2007/10/dd-wrt-firmware-pimps-your-router/
http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices
http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/MN-700


-Pete


Jason Tsang

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Jan 2, 2008, 6:14:48 PM1/2/08
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Interesting... was looking for this on the main pages and not within their
Wiki

You should check their forums to see feedback from there... much more likely
you'll get the answers you seek than here.

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Pete Delgado

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"Jason Tsang" <jason-o...@ETEmvps.org> wrote in message
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> Interesting... was looking for this on the main pages and not within their
> Wiki
>
> You should check their forums to see feedback from there... much more
> likely you'll get the answers you seek than here.

Jason,
I did check the forums and several people have reported success. However, I
wondered how "mainstream" the firmware was and if anyone here had attempted
the upgrade. It looks as if the technologies that it supports are exactly
what an aging MN-700 would need in order to keep it current!

-Pete


Chris H

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Jan 3, 2008, 3:16:59 PM1/3/08
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You won't find any support coming from Microsoft on this. When production
of the Broadband Networking hardware/software was ended, the unit was
disbanded completely.
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Pete Delgado

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"Chris H" <VistaM...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> You won't find any support coming from Microsoft on this. When production
> of the Broadband Networking hardware/software was ended, the unit was
> disbanded completely.

Nor would I expect any support from Microsoft in order to install
third-party firmware onto a long-ago discontinued router. Was there
something that I said that indicated anything to the contrary?

The reason that I posted here was because this is the appropriate forum for
the particular hardware and since there is still a small user community for
the hardware, I thought that there might be some interest in the third-party
firmware and I was also hoping that someone had attempted the upgrade with a
retired MN-700.

Enough beating this dead horse!!

-Pete


Barb Bowman

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Jan 4, 2008, 6:32:37 AM1/4/08
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Looks like a whole lot of work to me. The processor was not strong
enough to supply enough speed to pass WPA certification, so I'm
curious as to whether the speed improves any when CE is wiped from
the unit.

I don't see any issues with peer to peer discussions of 3rd party
firmware for the router here at all.

On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 01:26:14 -0500, "Pete Delgado" <Pe...@noads.com>
wrote:

>The reason that I posted here was because this is the appropriate forum for
>the particular hardware and since there is still a small user community for
>the hardware, I thought that there might be some interest in the third-party
>firmware and I was also hoping that someone had attempted the upgrade with a
>retired MN-700.

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Chris H

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Jan 4, 2008, 12:04:33 PM1/4/08
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Oh, I wasn't arguing, just pointing out a fact. As Barb said, though,
unless there's something discovered which makes the hardware really sit up
and pay attention, it is doubtful it can be of much use compared to products
currently on the market.

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Pete Delgado

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"Barb Bowman" <ba...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Looks like a whole lot of work to me. The processor was not strong
> enough to supply enough speed to pass WPA certification, so I'm
> curious as to whether the speed improves any when CE is wiped from
> the unit.

Since I had planned to decomission the router in favor of a D-Link 2310 I
figured that I would try it when I get a day free. Yes, it looks like an
awful lot of work for a casual user, but I hate to see good hardware go to
waste!

I too wonder if the overhead of WinCE may have been the problem with WPA
certification. Thus far, I haven't found any performance information from
anyone who has done the firmware upgrade so I can't tell.

I'm still researching whether someone has come up with a way to do the
upgrade simply through software. Since the MSBBN update was able to update
the firmware in the MN-700 I know that it is possible without having to go
the solder and JTAG route, however whether or not I can find someone who has
done it or if I have the patience to go through the code and do it myself
remains to be seen!

>
> I don't see any issues with peer to peer discussions of 3rd party
> firmware for the router here at all.

Cool. Because I also recall that at one point you had found a driver for the
MN-720 that did "real" WPA and I had hoped that you would repost the link to
your article! :)

-Pete


Pete Delgado

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"Pete Delgado" <Peter....@noads.net> wrote in message
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> Cool. Because I also recall that at one point you had found a driver for
> the MN-720 that did "real" WPA and I had hoped that you would repost the
> link to your article! :)

Found it...

http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/2005/11/01/How+To+Enable+WPA2+For+The+Microsoft+Wireless+PC+Card++MN720+On+Windows+XP+SP2+.aspx


Barb Bowman

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Jan 4, 2008, 2:42:16 PM1/4/08
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consider the DIR-655 or DGL-4500, or even the DIR-855 if you can
spend the $$.

On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 14:24:04 -0500, "Pete Delgado"
<Peter....@noads.net> wrote:

>Since I had planned to decomission the router in favor of a D-Link 2310

Barb Bowman

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Jan 4, 2008, 2:41:18 PM1/4/08
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wow. ancient history. forgot about that.
http://blogs.digitalmediaphile.com/barb/2005/11/01/How+To+Enable+WPA2+For+The+Microsoft+Wireless+PC+Card++MN720+On+Windows+XP+SP2+.aspx

is that the one?

not sure if Vista's inbox driver covers this NIC, but probably. I
gave mine away a long long time ago so I can't check myself.

On Fri, 4 Jan 2008 14:24:04 -0500, "Pete Delgado"
<Peter....@noads.net> wrote:

>Cool. Because I also recall that at one point you had found a driver for the
>MN-720 that did "real" WPA and I had hoped that you would repost the link to
>your article! :)

Pete Delgado

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"Barb Bowman" <ba...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> consider the DIR-655 or DGL-4500, or even the DIR-855 if you can
> spend the $$.

Barb,
The reason that I got (but can return) the 2310 is because it is a
rangebooster G model and I already have a D-Link USB rangebooster NIC that I
got for $12 new on clearance at Target. What would the other models give me
other than WPA2 & "N" at more than twice the price I paid ($39)? The data
rates appear to be comparable. The only real difference that I note is that
the 2310 supports WPA-PSK & WPA-EAP and the others support WPA2.

Since I am using Windows Server 2003 and AD on the wired portion of my
network, wouldn't it make more sense to use the 2310 and the Windows Server
DC as the IEEE 802.1X authentication server and use WPA-EAP rather than
WPA2?

-Pete


Barb Bowman

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Jan 4, 2008, 7:05:46 PM1/4/08
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ah, not exactly the typical home environment.

xin...@gmail.com

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The DD-WRT is much more better than original firmware from MS!

The v24 rc5 works fine on my MN-700. I'm using 512k ADSL broadband
link, and now P2P download can keep working with 70kbps for days
without reboot.

BTW, the Tomato (http://www.polarcloud.com/tomato/) firmware works
fine on MN-700 too, except the power LED does not light with it.

NetCobra

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Jan 10, 2008, 5:07:22 AM1/10/08
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On 1月3日, 上午4时18分, "Jason Tsang" <jason-online...@ETEmvps.org> wrote:
> What makes you think that it would work?
> Don't see any indication that it would work at all...
>
> --
> Jason Tsang - Microsoft MVP
>
> Read my blog for the latest in Media Center topics
> (and other topics that interest me)http://jtsang.blogspot.com
>
> More information by mehttp://jtsang.mvps.orghttp://www.classicsunveiled.com

>
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> "Pete Delgado" <Peter.Delg...@noads.net> wrote in message
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> > Just curious if anyone has used thedd-WRTfirmwareto update thier

> >MN-700? If so, how well does it seem to work?
>
> >http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv2/index.php
>
> > -Pete- 隐藏被引用文字 -
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What makes you think it could not work?

NetCobra

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Jan 10, 2008, 5:35:07 AM1/10/08
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On 1月4日, 上午4时16分, "Chris H" <VistaMobil...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You won't find any support coming from Microsoft on this. When production
> of the Broadband Networking hardware/software was ended, the unit was
> disbanded completely.
> --
> Chris H.
> Microsoft Windows MVP/Tablet PC
> Tablet Creations -http://nicecreations.us/http://forums.mobilepcworld.net

> Associate Expert
> Expert Zone -www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
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> "Pete Delgado" <P...@noads.com> wrote in message
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> > "Jason Tsang" <jason-online...@ETEmvps.org> wrote in message

> >news:%23%23lQHVZT...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> >> Interesting... was looking for this on the main pages and not within
> >> their Wiki
>
> >> You should check their forums to see feedback from there... much more
> >> likely you'll get the answers you seek than here.
>
> > Jason,
> > I did check the forums and several people have reported success. However,
> > I wondered how "mainstream" the firmware was and if anyone here had
> > attempted the upgrade. It looks as if the technologies that it supports
> > are exactly what an aging MN-700 would need in order to keep it current!
>
> > -Pete- 隐藏被引用文字 -
>
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In fact, You WON'T find ANY support for MN-700 coming from Microsoft
now, the life cycle of MN-700 has expired at 01/08/2008 (http://
support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/?p1=1470). So no one will fix the bugs
in MN-700 now.

Barb Bowman

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Jan 10, 2008, 5:47:29 AM1/10/08
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there have been no fixes for a long time as the team was disbanded
long ago.

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 02:35:07 -0800 (PST), NetCobra
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>So no one will fix the bugs
>in MN-700 now.

Chris H

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Hasn't it been nearly four (or maybe five) years since the product ceased?

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Pete Delgado

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<xin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Great to hear that you've gotten it to work! A couple of questions for you:

1. How did you install the boot loader? Did you use the jtag method or have
you found a software route?
2. Are you using WPA or WPA2 and if so, have you measured speed and range on
the wireless?
3. Are you using any other MS products such as the MN-720 or MN-730 on your
network and if so, what drivers are you using for them?

Thanks!

-Pete


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On Jan 11, 12:30 pm, "Pete Delgado" <P...@noads.com> wrote:
> <xin...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:dfb3d4f3-6d01-4749...@f3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> Great to hear that you've gotten it to work! A couple of questions for you:
>
> 1. How did you install the boot loader? Did you use the jtag method or have
> you found a software route?
> 2. Are you using WPA or WPA2 and if so, have you measured speed and range on
> the wireless?
> 3. Are you using any other MS products such as the MN-720 or MN-730 on your
> network and if so, what drivers are you using for them?
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Pete

1. I installed the boot loader with JTAG cable, and AFAIK, there isn't
a way to install the boot loader without JTAG cable for MN-700;
2. I'm using WPA now, I did not measure speed and range for my MN-700,
but the signature is good while there is a wall between my laptop and
MN-700;
3. I'm using MN-730 now, and the driver I using is installed by
MSBNDownload.exe which was downloaded from
http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb%3Ben-us%3B814445&x=20&y=11.

Barb Bowman

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Jan 11, 2008, 5:55:34 AM1/11/08
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yup

On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:35:04 -0800, "Chris H"
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>Hasn't it been nearly four (or maybe five) years since the product ceased?
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Pete Delgado

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Jan 11, 2008, 12:32:51 PM1/11/08
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...and it was a sad day in mudville when such a promising hardware line was
discontinued!

-Pete


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eyesofnova

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What is the chances microsoft would be a dear and maybe post the source code
for the firmware? Since they're not supporting it, it would do them no bad if
they did release it. Infact, it help a thriving community of alternate
firmware people like myself who own a mn700 and would like to come up with an
easier way to hack their router. Any Microsoft heads out there listening?

Barb Bowman

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the team that built the MS Broadband Home Networking Products was
disbanded years ago. But it would seem unlikely in the extreme that
even if they were around, that this code would be made available.

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