SBS and Terminal Server
Terry
Please forgive the newby questions BUT.... I have an SBS server and a
Win2003 server running terminal server. I can get the clients to attach no
problem. I purchased 10 user CAL's and got the terminal licensing server up
and running. My questions are:
How do I get remote terminal server clients to print locally to their
machines?? (printers attatched to their local machines)
Although I have purchased and registered 10 user cal's in the license
server, when I log into the license server it tells me it has alllocated a
temporary "Device" cal to the machine!!, How do I get it to use the user
cal's??
Finally, Is there a way I can set the desktop to appear the same for each
user centrally on the server??
TIA
Terry
Chad A Gross
What OS are your clients? SBS CALs are not TS CALs. In addition, the best
info we have suggests that SBS2k CALs do not cover access to a Win2k3 member
server like they cover access to a Win2k member server. In addition, TS
under Win2k3 does not have a "free pool" of CALs like TS under Win2k.
Therefore, you must purchase TS CALs for each TS client (in addition to any
SBS2k / Win2k3 CALs). Now, you are entitled to a free TS CAL for each WinXP
Pro license you owned prior to the launch of Win2k3 - however, you must
purchase TS CALs for any WinXP boxes acquired after the launch of Win2k3 as
well as any non-XP clients.
SO, you'll need 10 Win2k3 CALs and 10 TS CALs in addition to the 10 SBS CALs
you've already purchased. I'm not sure if Win2k3 server includes downgrade
rights - but if it does, you could install a Win2k TS, in which case you
wouldn't require any additional Win2k CALs, and Win2k TS includes the free
pool, which means that you would not need to purchase TS CALs for your Win2k
Pro / XP Pro clients - only Win9x/ME/NT clients.
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Chad A Gross
Lerman's Law of Technology: Any technical problem can be overcome
given enough time and money. Corollary: You are never given enough
time or money.
Javier Gomez
> you've already purchased. I'm not sure if Win2k3 server includes
downgrade
> rights - but if it does, you could install a Win2k TS,
By default any product purchased using by Select License or Open License
have downgrade rights automatically. If you have a FPP or OEM version... you
have it only if you are enrolled in SA or it's specifically covered in the
product's EULA.
For the specific case of Win2k3 server-
"Microsoft grants the rights to use any prior version of Windows Server 2003
in place of the version specified on the license confirmation, regardless of
which channel was used to acquire the license."
Here are the Win2k3 rules:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/howtobuy/licensing/downgrade.mspx
-Javier
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Roger Crawford
2003 TS Server requires the Licensing Server Service to be running on a 2003
Server and this can be a Member Server or Domain Controller and the TS
client licenses to be installed need to be on that. I have 3 sites that are
running SBS 2000 Server along with a 2003 TS Member Server and I have found
as long as I match the number of Licenses installed on the SBS 2000 Server
on the 2003 Server I have had no problems with Licensing. This is not the
Client Access License for TS but your normal licensing. Then i just add
whatever TS Client Licenses I need to the 2003 Server.
On the Printers install them on the server as if they where connected to the
LPT1 Port of the Server. Are these USB printers? I have had issues with them
printing OK from the TS Server. But then if you are using the Remote Desktop
Client to connect off the Workstation to the TS Server make sure under
resources you have the Printers option Selected which by deafult on setup it
does. Then when you login to the TS Server you should be able to print to
your printer locally.
On your Desktop question you can create a OU for the users that will be
connecting to the TS Server add the users to that OU and then apply a Group
policy to them. I have some sites where I use a man file so all the users
see the same desktop and applications and if someone would delete a icon
when they login the next time the icon is back. Some sites I just use the GP
for the suers to take away certain features that the user does not need to
see and then just put what applications they need in there profile's
desktop. Hope this helps.
Roger Crawford
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"Terry" <te...@rit.co.uk> wrote in message
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Terry
I bought 30 SBS CAL's and 10 Terminal server USER CAL's.
The clients are running WinXP Pro.
My understanding was that I would require either Device CAL's OR User CAL's
depending on the environment.
From this I deduced that User CAL's would be the best option.
I loaded the User CAL's (On SBS and TS) and authenticated the TS License
server.
I then connected the client machine and tried to connect to the (using
remote desktop in XP) Terminal Server.
This logged in successfully BUT when I checked TS Licensing server it showed
that it had issued a temporary device CAL instead of one of the User CAL's.
Also, I was not able to figure out how to install a local printer. or how to
make sure that there was some kind of policy in place to ensure that each
user got the same desktop and programs on their desktop views.
TIA
Terry
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Terry
Just a few embasrrassing q's
1) On the printers you suggest that the printers option is selected in the
resources....where do I find this??
2) On the desktop Q you say to create a OU?? or a MAN file?? or that you
sometimes use the GP option?? What are these?? where do I find them and
what do I do with them should I find them :-)
TIA
Terry
"Roger Crawford" <rcra...@scci.com> wrote in message
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Javier Gomez
If you are running SBS2000 and a TS on a Win2k3 server you need 10
additional Win2k3 CALs. Which will become useless if you upgrade to SBS2003.
Now... I don't think you have answered Roy's first question. Where are you
running the TS licensing server? In a TS Win2k srv... the TS licensing
service should run in the SBS box. However, in Win2k3 needs to run in a
Win2k3 box... not in the SBS2k box.
-Javier
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Terry
of the MS white papers). I was going to try to set up the Licensing server
to run on both for Fault tolerance purposes (as suggested in another MS
paper), but wanted to get the one running properly first.
Do I then also need to buy 10 Win2K3 user licenses as well as SBS cal
licenses as well as TS Licenses?? Even for MS this seems a bit much!!
TIA
Terry
"Javier Gomez" <javier...@remove.this.bit.engineer.com> wrote in message
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Roger Crawford
Maybe I didn't make myself clear enough here and let's see if I can't
get this cleared up a little. On the Printers when I refered to Resources I
was talking about is on the Remore Desktop Connection and if you open this
by Going to Start then Programs then Accessories and then Communcations you
will see it in this list. Click on this and then this will open up and where
you see Options to the Bottom right click on this and then you can see the
Resources Tab.
How long have you had the XP Workstations? Take one of the MS Licesnes
Numbers off a XP Workstation and go to this
link.http://licensecode.one.microsoft.com/transition/ This is the link to
the site where you can take your XP workstation Licesene number and convert
it to a Windows 2003 TS Client Device Lic. Try it with one and see if that
works and if it does get all your XP Lic number and input them here and then
you don't have to purchase any 2003 TS Client Lic. These will be installed
on the TS 2003 Server
Give me a few min and I will answer you last question but here is this at
least.
Roger Crawford
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"Terry" <te...@rit.co.uk> wrote in message
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Roger Crawford
A OU is a Orginaztional Unit and a MAN file is a Mandatory Profile and a
GP is a Group Policy. You must be careful when working with Group Policies
or you can accidently lock your self out of the server. You must remember
you ahve users logging into your TSserver and working on it and you want to
limit them to a extent on what they can see and do and that is why you would
use a OU for the users that are going to connect to the server and apply a
GP to the users for things you want to take away.
So let's create a OU, Open Active Directory Users and Computers on your SBS
2000 Server and where you see your domain.local or domain.com however you
have it set up right click and in this List you will New and in this list
you will see Orginaztional Unit and click this and call this say TSUsers.
Once this is finished right click you new OU and Properties and then Group
Policy and the New and Name this Tsusers or whatever stikes your fancy. Then
Highlight this and click Edit. I mainly do all my changes for the users
under User Configurations and then Administrative Templates. Just browse
threw these and you will see all the posibilites of things you can take away
or allow not to run.
Create a Test user and play with this until you get it the way you want the
users to look for there desktop. Then add the users you want to be in this
group here. Do not add the administrator account to these or you will have
big trouble. Leave it where it is at. Here is a couple of articles and one
that explains how to create a MAN file but you ahve to decide how you want
to proceed on this.
HOW TO: Assign a Mandatory User Profile in Windows 2000
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;323368
Introduction to Windows 2000 Group Policy
"http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/howitworks/management/grouppo
licyintro.asp
Hope this helps some and I will be traveling tomorrow on my way to the SMB
Nation Convention but I will be checking in if you have anymore questions
but the main thing is create a test user and play with the policies on that
user alone till you have it like you want it.
Roger Crawford
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Terry" <te...@rit.co.uk> wrote in message
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Terry
One more question (sorry)
I have bought 10 user CAL's for TS and 30 for SBS. I only have about 6 users
currently connecting through TS. My understanding from the Microsoft site
was that I needed Device OR user CAL's. Is this the case or do I need to buy
additional Licensing for Win2k3 and device CAL's for TS on top of everything
else??
TIA
Terry
"Roger Crawford" <rcra...@scci.com> wrote in message
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Javier Gomez
There are 3 types of CALs:
-SBS CALs
-Windows Server CALs
-Terminal Server CALs
(In 2003 each one of them can be "user" or "device"... but that's not the
important issue)
If you have a SBS2k and a TS Server Win2k3... you need all of them. Now your
question will be "Why do you need Windows 2003 Server CALs???"... you need
them because you are accesing features of the Win2k3 server and you are not
licensed to use them. The SBS2000 CALs cover Win2k servers... but not Win2k3
(this has been confirmed by MS personnel in this NG... I can give you the
link of the post if you want). The problem is that if you upgrade to SBS2k3
you won't need them anymore and you have lost all those CALs.
I suggest you re-read Chad's post and post back if you still have questions.
Hope that clears things up,
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-Javier
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terry
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Roger Crawford
time? Then I would go with the per device lic. If you have XP take advantage
of getting the free TS 2003 Cals while you can. I know you already have some
but you never know when you might need a few more and like I said they are
free. Which Terminal Server Client Lic did you get? The ones for 2000 or
2003 and which type if 2003?
Roger Crawford
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"terry" <te...@rit.co.uk> wrote in message
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terry
I have 30 users. 20 will be local and 10 will be TS clients.
I have 30 SBS CAL's, 10 Server 2003 CAL's and 10 TS User CAL's.
The TS still insists on granting a temporary Device CAL though!!.
I will register the machines and see if I can get the Device CaL's as they
are all WInXP machines....however I am not holding out much hope as they are
brand new.
Thanks for all your help Roger.
Terry
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Javier Gomez
> are all WInXP machines....however I am not holding out much hope as they
are
> brand new.
Yes... you are right. If the workstations are new you are not going to get
free 2k3 TS CALs for them (I believe the cut-off date is April 24, 2003).
However, if you purchased them recently you can buy SA for WinXP... and then
you get the free TS CAL.
Michael
is issuing Temporary device CAL's to the client machines when there is a
pool of User Cals to draw on...............
Terry
"Javier Gomez" <javier...@remove.this.bit.engineer.com> wrote in message
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Javier Gomez
SA = Software Assurance
Maybe it's time to call MS... I have heard that licensing support questions
are free.
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-Javier
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Roger Crawford
Server it will not issue lic to Windows 2003 Terminal Server clients. But if
you have setup the Terminal Server 2003 Licsensing and installed the clients
which mode is it running in for Licsensing (Start then Programs then
Admistrative Tools then TS Configuration )and Which CLients Lic did you
purchase? Device or User?
Roger Crawford
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terry
I Bought User CAL's for the win2k3 server.
The TS licensing server is win2k3.
The TS server is win2k3
The SBS server is SBS2k
Will check in the morning what mode the TS is running in :-)
Terry
"Roger Crawford" <rcra...@scci.com> wrote in message
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Roger Crawford
If you go to Start then programs then Administrative Tools then Terminal
Services Configuration and open that and the Highlight the Server Services
to the right it will tell you which mode it is running under for Licensing.
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Terry
Sorry for the delay, checked this today and it says "Per User"
Regs
Terry
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Terry
I have noticed an event log which reads:
Event ID 1054
User: NT Authority\System
Windows cannot obtain the domain controller name for your computer network.
(The specified domain either does not exist or could not be contacted).
Group policy processing aborted.
Would this be because the TS server is starting far quicker than the SBS
server??
If so, is it likely to cause a problem with this Group Policy being
aborted??
The message is appearing in the event log of the TS server. Once logged in
they both seem to be communicating very well>
TIA
Terry
"Roger Crawford" <rcra...@scci.com> wrote in message
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terry
Checked on this today, (Sorry for delay), and it says it is running in User
mode!! So still at a loss for why it appears to be issuing temporary Device
cals........
Regs
Terry
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