[uf-discuss] Solution to wiki problem with misaligned section-edit links

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Andy Mabbett

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Dec 11, 2006, 1:34:01 PM12/11/06
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The problem of misaligned section-edit links is caused by
using <h[n]> tags for headers, instead of the proper wiki markup ("=",
"==" etc.).

I changed one page to fix that explaining so in my edit summary:

<http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-clarifications&diff=prev&oldid=11212>

and Tantek almost immediately reverted it, reintroducing the misaligned
linking; and adding an "instruction" not to do so to:

<http://microformats.org/wiki/how-to-play>

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David Janes

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Dec 11, 2006, 2:23:05 PM12/11/06
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This policy makes it easier to have a page header without piling up
everything under section "1.". It gets ugly if it's done more than
once on a page though.

Regards, etc....
David

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Andy Mabbett

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Dec 11, 2006, 3:00:57 PM12/11/06
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In message <21e523c20612111123wb4...@mail.gmail.com>,
David Janes <david...@blogmatrix.com> writes

>On 12/11/06, Andy Mabbett <an...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>> The problem of misaligned section-edit links is caused by
>> using <h[n]> tags for headers, instead of the proper wiki markup ("=",
>> "==" etc.).

[Please don't top-post]

>This policy makes it easier to have a page header without piling up
>everything under section "1.".

What is that a problem? It doesn't seem to bother Wikipedia's many
users.

And is the damage it does to usability worth putting up with, for a
marginal, if any, improvement in appearance?

Charles Iliya Krempeaux

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Dec 11, 2006, 3:27:21 PM12/11/06
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Hello,

Why not use __NOTOC__ ?


See ya

On 12/11/06, David Janes <david...@blogmatrix.com> wrote:
> This policy makes it easier to have a page header without piling up
> everything under section "1.". It gets ugly if it's done more than
> once on a page though.
>
> Regards, etc....
> David
>
> On 12/11/06, Andy Mabbett <an...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> > The problem of misaligned section-edit links is caused by
> > using <h[n]> tags for headers, instead of the proper wiki markup ("=",
> > "==" etc.).
> >
> > I changed one page to fix that explaining so in my edit summary:
> >
> > <http://microformats.org/wiki?title=xfn-clarifications&diff=prev&oldid=11212>
> >
> > and Tantek almost immediately reverted it, reintroducing the misaligned
> > linking; and adding an "instruction" not to do so to:
> >
> > <http://microformats.org/wiki/how-to-play>
>
>

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David Janes

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Dec 11, 2006, 3:33:12 PM12/11/06
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On 12/11/06, Charles Iliya Krempeaux <superc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Why not use __NOTOC__ ?

Start a wiki page, keep it in edit mode (i.e. don't save) and play
with it. The current practice has its downfalls but seems to work
esthetically well, with the downside that you have to click one down
to edit.

Regards, etc...

Tantek Çelik

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Dec 11, 2006, 3:33:16 PM12/11/06
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On 12/11/06 12:27 PM, "Charles Iliya Krempeaux" <superc...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello,


>
> Why not use __NOTOC__ ?

I believe __NOTOC__ simply blocks the TOC from appearing at all, unless I'm
mistaken.

Charles, could you elaborate on how you would use __NOTOC__ to solve this
problem of heading noise in TOCs?

Thanks,

Tantek

Charles Iliya Krempeaux

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Dec 11, 2006, 3:40:51 PM12/11/06
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Hello Tantek,

You're correct, __NOTOC__ just blocks the TOC from appearing.
Re-reading what was originally posted I can see that it won't help
with this particular problem.


See ya

On 12/11/06, Tantek Çelik <tan...@cs.stanford.edu> wrote:
> On 12/11/06 12:27 PM, "Charles Iliya Krempeaux" <superc...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Why not use __NOTOC__ ?
>
> I believe __NOTOC__ simply blocks the TOC from appearing at all, unless I'm
> mistaken.
>
> Charles, could you elaborate on how you would use __NOTOC__ to solve this
> problem of heading noise in TOCs?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tantek

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Scott Reynen

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Dec 11, 2006, 5:25:36 PM12/11/06
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On Dec 11, 2006, at 2:33 PM, David Janes wrote:

> Start a wiki page, keep it in edit mode (i.e. don't save) and play
> with it. The current practice has its downfalls but seems to work
> esthetically well, with the downside that you have to click one down
> to edit.

I just realized that this thread is discussing one of my pet peeves.
I can't believe I almost missed the opportunity to rant about how
annoying it is to click on an edit link and have it open the wrong
section. But even more annoying than that: when the links get pushed
down, the last sections end up with no working edit links at all, so
you have to guess at the section number if you want to edit those
sections. So I'll put my vote in for avoiding whatever causes this
to happen.

Peace,
Scott

Ryan King

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Dec 11, 2006, 6:01:07 PM12/11/06
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On Dec 11, 2006, at 2:25 PM, Scott Reynen wrote:
> On Dec 11, 2006, at 2:33 PM, David Janes wrote:
>
>> Start a wiki page, keep it in edit mode (i.e. don't save) and play
>> with it. The current practice has its downfalls but seems to work
>> esthetically well, with the downside that you have to click one down
>> to edit.
>
> I just realized that this thread is discussing one of my pet
> peeves. I can't believe I almost missed the opportunity to rant
> about how annoying it is to click on an edit link and have it open
> the wrong section. But even more annoying than that: when the
> links get pushed down, the last sections end up with no working
> edit links at all, so you have to guess at the section number if
> you want to edit those sections. So I'll put my vote in for
> avoiding whatever causes this to happen.

How about we fix MediaWiki instead? (or maybe see if an upgrade is in
order?).

-ryan

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