NOISY BUSES
donquijote1954
problem. One thing is for sure, buses are for the monkeys, if you know
what I mean.)
MIAMI'S NOISY BUSES
It used to be that buses displayed a warning that said "No loud
radios." What a peace of mind, a real refuge from the jungle that
Miami's traffic is. You could listen to your walkman, engage in a
friendly conversation (instead of shouting curse words from car to car)
or simply enjoy the silence. Not anymore. Now THE NOISE comes from the
buses themselves. They have been set up with computer speech that
announces everything from the next bus stop, the address where you are,
to warnings to cross behind the bus, pay your full fare, etc, etc. And
the noise is loud, real loud. See, there's even a flashing sign that
tells you the same information without the need to harass passengers to
the point of a nervous breakdown. I bet the ones that set it up never
ride public transportation. The people that make the decisions never
do. They make enough money to afford a nice car. And they assume the
people who ride buses are too stupid to read the flashing sign or too
stupid to complain.
Well, now I hope to find a lawyer to sue before I become paranoic. I
hear voices, and they are not welcome.
PS: By the way, do you know what's going in the jungle, where the
monkeys don't count? You know, they usually ride buses and bikes.
RIDING A BIKE COSTS PEANUTS
OK, since the lion (for whom "peanuts" is not important) refuses to
listen to the monkey asking for bike facilities, let's scrutinize the
secrets ($$$) of the political jungle, where "democracy" is the
word of choice...
"Remember the Golden Rule: Those with the Gold, Rule" (saying)
"The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" (title of book)
And this one...
"Freedom is when the people can speak, democracy is when the government
listens" -Alastair Farrugia
Oh, that one was so good. So let's see: The monkey can cry all he wants
but he will be ignored. Tough life that of the monkey.
WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE
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NOTE: THIS FLYER WILL BE CIRCULATED AROUND, PARTICULARLY IN BUSES.
Peter T. Daniels
donquijote1954 wrote:
> (This problem is found in Miami but it may as well be a nationwide
> problem. One thing is for sure, buses are for the monkeys, if you know
> what I mean.)
No, we don't. What do you mean?
donquijote1954
"Monkeys" come from the following story...
THE LAW OF THE JUNGLE
Once upon a time, in the deep jungle, lived a Lion and a Monkey... One
day the Monkey, tired of the Lion always taking the LION'S SHARE, and
seeing that such injustice represented a danger to all, demanded
JUSTICE... The Lion, yawning and stretching, said, "You would have to
have paws and sharp teeth..." Then the Monkey, who was very clever,
devised a plan: He would go to the costume store, and look like a
lion...
When the HUNGRY LION saw him, noticing that the new lion wasn't a match
for him, and fearing COMPETITION, killed him on the spot --before the
indifferent look of the little animals of the jungle... And that's how
the Law of the Jungle was re-established one more time... (NOTE: Other
monkeys survived him...)
In other words, there's a divide between lions that got the lion's
share of everything, and monkeys (the poor) who must be happy to ride
buses or bikes. Actually, they must be happy with the scraps since
neither service is working good. Simply in America (save NYC) you must
own a car and feed the beast, if you know what I mean. (I hope you know
what I mean this time.)
AllstonPar...@hotmail.com
> The people that make the decisions never
> do. They make enough money to afford a nice car. And they assume the
> people who ride buses are too stupid to read the flashing sign or too
> stupid to complain.
The ADA requires audible stop announcements at major stops. This rule
can be satisfied by a computerized voice or by the driver.
Does NYC have any automated stop announcements on buses? I remember a
TV news story about a test of such a system on the M15, and people were
getting annoyed after just a few stops.
The Times had a recent article that said a city in Eastern Europe had
the innovative idea of using automated bus stop announcements to nag
people to buy iodized salt. Unfortunately this trend isn't going away,
unless transit managers take a stand against harassing their
passengers.
-Apr
donquijote1954
"Bailey, Jackie (MDT)" <b...@miamidade.gov> wrote:
Thank you for sharing your concerns regarding the enunciators that make
announcements aboard Miami-Dade Transit vehicles. These audio
announcements and the visual displays are provided to comply with ADA
(Americans with Disabilities Act) mandates designed to make public
transit more accessible to passengers with disabilities. Non-compliance
is a serious violation of this civil rights legislation that can
negatively impact federal funding. I regret any inconvenience you have
experienced. If you could provide a vehicle number(s) the next time you
encounter audio that is too loud, we can have the vehicle checked to
insure appropriate sound levels. Once again, thank you for bringing
your concerns to our attention.
Jackie Bailey, Manager
Customer and Information Services
Miami-Dade Transit
***
Problem is, 90% of the buses have it too loud. And then there's the
issue of telling not only what's important, but what isn't. What's the
point of repeating every 5 minutes that you got to pay your full fare
(you already did, which is why you are in the bus) or that you must
cross behind the bus? If you want to stop that practice you better
issue tickets and not nag the people to the point they just switch off.
1% of handicaps (visually, I assume) shouln't make life miserable for
the 99% who isn't. Or is it that the 1% that make the decisions
couldn't care less about the 99% that really use the service? I wonder.
donquijote1954
AllstonPar...@hotmail.com wrote:
> unless transit managers take a stand against harassing their
> passengers.
>
> -Apr
I doubt it'll happen for the simple reason that they don't ride buses.
Shouldn't there be a law that mandated traffic managers to ride their
buses on a regular basis? Perhaps NYC is lucky in that regard, I mean
driving downtown is just impossible.
I think they just want to nag passengers to the point they buy a car.
And then get ready for road rage, but that's another issue.
Peter T. Daniels
AllstonPar...@hotmail.com wrote:
> donquijote1954 wrote:
> > The people that make the decisions never
> > do. They make enough money to afford a nice car. And they assume the
> > people who ride buses are too stupid to read the flashing sign or too
> > stupid to complain.
>
> The ADA requires audible stop announcements at major stops. This rule
> can be satisfied by a computerized voice or by the driver.
>
> Does NYC have any automated stop announcements on buses? I remember a
> TV news story about a test of such a system on the M15, and people were
> getting annoyed after just a few stops.
No. The ones on Chicago's buses were incredibly annoying, in part
because one had to pay attention to them to figure out how far away
from the actual street they were naming the bus was.
NY drivers are supposed to call stops. Limiteds drivers generally do;
regular drivers occasionally do but if asked, they'll call a
destination.
Phil Kane
wrote:
>Does NYC have any automated stop announcements on buses? I remember a
>TV news story about a test of such a system on the M15, and people were
>getting annoyed after just a few stops.
The Portland Tri-Met MAX LRV has automated dot-matrix signs and
audible annoubements in both English and Spanish. The buses have
neither. We always know when the driver is being "observed" by
supervision by the audibility and frequency of the announcements.
>
>The Times had a recent article that said a city in Eastern Europe had
>the innovative idea of using automated bus stop announcements to nag
>people to buy iodized salt. Unfortunately this trend isn't going away,
>unless transit managers take a stand against harassing their
>passengers.
First they have to get rid of the "wraps" which make the buses look
like rolling circus wagons.
--
Phil Kane
Beaverton, OR
Phil Kane
<nolionn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Shouldn't there be a law that mandated traffic managers to ride their
>buses on a regular basis? Perhaps NYC is lucky in that regard, I mean
>driving downtown is just impossible.
Do the NYC transit managers drive themselves or do they have others
drive them?
gl4...@yahoo.com
<Phil...@nov.shmovz.ka.pop> wrote:
> The Portland Tri-Met MAX LRV has automated dot-matrix signs and
> audible annoubements in both English and Spanish. The buses have
> neither. We always know when the driver is being "observed" by
> supervision by the audibility and frequency of the announcements.
Actually, many of the buses have this system installed, but it is only
being used on some routes right now. The system is connected to the GPS
system, and they are having a little trouble sometimes on some routes.
For example, when they started using it last year on route #75, it would
frequently announce that the bus was "Line 32 to Portland" until the bus
got to about SE 32nd & Johnson Creek Blvd. This hasn't happened recently,
so they have solved that particular issue. Still, apparently they are
having some issues, as so far they are only using the route announcement
part of the system, not the street or intersection part of the system.
The dot matrix displays are also in many of the buses, but right now they
are only being used to show the time. Not even that is working quite
right. Sometimes the clocks are right on time, but I have seen them as
much as 8.5 hours slow or fast. If they can't even get the thing to show
the right time, like just about any cell phone can, how can they expect it
to do correct location and route information?
--
-Glennl
The despammed service works OK, but unfortunately
now the spammers grab addresses for use as "from" address too!
e-mail hint: add 1 to quantity after gl to get 4317.
Jack May
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> Actually, many of the buses have this system installed, but it is only
> being used on some routes right now. The system is connected to the GPS
> system, and they are having a little trouble sometimes on some routes.
Getting GPS to work downtown areas is really difficult because it is hard to
get a direct path to the satellites.
Greg Sutherland
So if we can't get GPS to work downtown the chances of getting a
computer controlled system for the operation/control of private motor
vehicles in these areas is even more unrealistic.
Greg
gl4...@yahoo.com
<jack...@comcast.net> wrote:
The satellite based system they have for tracking the location of the
buses and displaying dispatcher's information (ie, "Hawthorne Bridge
closed, all routes re-route via SW 2nd and Morrison Bridge) seems to work
just fine, even downtown though. Possibly the GPS portion of the system
isn't getting access to enough satellites to accurately pinpoint the
location.
Bus #75 (where they have been concentrating a great deal of effort on the
system recently) doesn't even go downtown, and in fact the tallest
building along that bus route is maybe one of the big 3 floors with attic
Victorian era mansions near SE 39th & Steele. Possibly the multi-floor
grocery store at SE 39th & Powell is taller, but not by much.
The route has a lot of cross-routes though, and goes through enough
transit centers that there is more than enough opportunity for the system
to get confused about what bus its looking at.
I think another item that gets it confused is that TriMet does, in some
ways anyway, try to conserve money in its operating practices. For
example, a bus might operate a few times on route #14 during rush hour
because it is a heavy commuter route, and then when that is over the same
bus and driver start driving the #8 Jackson Park, because that goes to the
largest hospital complex in the city (Oregon Health & Science University,
Veterans Administration Hospital, Dornbrecher's Childrens Hospital, and
several others all exist in a medical complex) because during the days
there is fairly heavy traffic for people to get to their medical
appointments, etc. The same bus and driver might then later move to
something with a lot of lunchtime traffic. Some of the buses and drivers
cover as many as four (4!) routes in a single shift, because the traffic
needs shift on the various routes. This is probably very confusing to a
system that was most likely designed to track buses operating on a single
route over their entire operation day.
I'm still trying to figure out why the clock gets so screwed up sometimes,
though. It's not like someone drove the bus to Tokyo and back overnight.
Peter T. Daniels
A friend of mine has Tom Tom (dumb name, horrible radio ads) in his
car, and it works perfectly in Manhattan. (I don't know why he chooses
to drive in Manhattan, though.)
Stephen Sprunk
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> In article <s_6dndD23uir9ArY...@comcast.com>,
> "Jack May" <jack...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Getting GPS to work downtown areas is really difficult because it is
>> hard to get a direct path to the satellites.
>
> The satellite based system they have for tracking the location of the
> buses and displaying dispatcher's information (ie, "Hawthorne Bridge
> closed, all routes re-route via SW 2nd and Morrison Bridge) seems to
> work
> just fine, even downtown though. Possibly the GPS portion of the
> system
> isn't getting access to enough satellites to accurately pinpoint the
> location.
The tracking system for our buses here doesn't require full GPS
availability. The system mainly works via a programmed map and
determines the exact location by odometer. An occasional GPS fix is
just used to make sure the system doesn't drift too much and to handle
detours off the route map.
> Some of the buses and drivers cover as many as four (4!) routes in a
> single shift, because the traffic needs shift on the various routes.
> This
> is probably very confusing to a system that was most likely designed
> to track buses operating on a single route over their entire operation
> day.
That's typical for bus operations, and if TriMet's system can't handle
it then whoever put out the bid was incompetent. Our drivers have to
select the route they're operating for each new run to set the signs up,
and that in turn selects the map that the tracking system uses. Every
bus has every map, so as long as the driver picks the right route and
there's no unmapped detours (e.g. due to an accident or construction)
there's no problem. If the driver does go off the route, the system
will go silent (as far as stop announcements) and resync within a minute
or two of returning to the mapped route.
S
--
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CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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donquijote1954
Phil Kane wrote:
> First they have to get rid of the "wraps" which make the buses look
> like rolling circus wagons.
Actually that gives me an idea. Why not have the buses free? Yes free,
like radio and TV where advertising pays for costs. And then they could
even bombard us with advertising instead of the needless information we
are fed at the moment.
Just kidding. ;)
donquijote1954
The top ones probably commute by helicopters. Bicycling could and
should be an option in NYC, but I guess it needs some bike managers to
go and study the terrain first.
donquijote1954
> The dot matrix displays are also in many of the buses, but right now they
> are only being used to show the time. Not even that is working quite
> right. Sometimes the clocks are right on time, but I have seen them as
> much as 8.5 hours slow or fast. If they can't even get the thing to show
> the right time, like just about any cell phone can, how can they expect it
> to do correct location and route information?
My honest opinion (not that I have opinions that are dishonest) is that
buses got too many gadgets and too few buses and drivers. That happens
usually where hierarchies determine things in a top-down manner. The
lions tend to spend in extravagant projects. Something like this...
HOW THE LION BENEFITS FROM THE LITTLE ANIMALS' POVERTY
One day all the little animals went up to the King of the Jungle and
complained about their poverty, and in particular about the fact that
every time, during the dry season, they had to travel long distances to
drink the precious fluid, and demanded a WATER WELL be built for
them... They cited how the resources that they contributed to the
kingdom were wasted in WARS and EXTRAVAGANT PROJECTS to the tastes of
the King... He, however, replied with all kinds of excuses: the lack of
resources, that it wasn't a matter of him not wanting it, but that it
was a matter of "priorities" --which was one of his favorite words...
Meanwhile, an Owl --who had very good eyes-- had been observing life in
the jungle, and thought this way: "Every time there's a dry season the
little animals must come to the little dirty waterhole where the Lion
waits for them... Had they been well fed and strong, he would have had
to run after them and even risk resistance. And, more importantly, the
little animals are forced to fight the Lion's wars as the quick way out
of poverty..."
And that's how the Owl landed an important --and well paid-- post in
the brand new Astronomy Department created by the King of the Jungle
--to the effect of exploring life in other planets...
Phil Kane
<nolionn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Actually that gives me an idea. Why not have the buses free? Yes free,
>like radio and TV where advertising pays for costs. And then they could
>even bombard us with advertising instead of the needless information we
>are fed at the moment.
But, but, but....they do that now and charge for the privilege!
>
>Just kidding. ;)
I'm not! Don't they have any sense of class......?
--
"Stand Clear of the Closing Doors, Please"
Phil Kane - Beaverton, OR
PNW Milepost 755 - Tillamook District
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"donquijote1954" <nolionn...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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In Portland, the buses ARE free within the downtown area -- and advertising
is *part* of what makes this possible.
Phil Kane
<lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>In Portland, the buses ARE free within the downtown area -- and advertising
>is *part* of what makes this possible.
But it's not "free" to get into the Fareless Square.
Jason McHuff
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> In article <s_6dndD23uir9ArY...@comcast.com>, "Jack May"
> <jack...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> <gl4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:gl4316-3012...@69-30-8-79.pxd.easystreet.com...
>> > In article <a67ep25d4217fb7sh...@4ax.com>, Phil Kane
>> > <Phil...@nov.shmovz.ka.pop> wrote:
>> >
>>
>> > Actually, many of the buses have this system installed, but it is only
>> > being used on some routes right now. The system is connected to the
>> > GPS
>> > system, and they are having a little trouble sometimes on some routes.
>>
>> Getting GPS to work downtown areas is really difficult because it is hard
>> to
>> get a direct path to the satellites.
>
> The satellite based system they have for tracking the location of the
> buses and displaying dispatcher's information (ie, "Hawthorne Bridge
> closed, all routes re-route via SW 2nd and Morrison Bridge) seems to work
> just fine, even downtown though. Possibly the GPS portion of the system
> isn't getting access to enough satellites to accurately pinpoint the
> location.
I've heard that the operators claim that the system is not reliable. One
said that the eary/late time counter changed by several minutes at a stop
downtown.
> This is probably very confusing to a
> system that was most likely designed to track buses operating on a single
> route over their entire operation day.
I don't know what they were desiging for 10 years ago when they put the
system in, but the announcements should be linked to a specific location.
If its working right, they should only be made when the bus thinks its at a
certian stop. Having a bus do multiple lines ("offlining") isn't really
that different then a bus that goes 2 different directions one one route.
Also, another reason to have buses switch lines is so operators can get
breaks. If an operator has been sent to a line to releave someone, it can
be simplier to just let the new operator stay on that line.
> I'm still trying to figure out why the clock gets so screwed up sometimes,
> though. It's not like someone drove the bus to Tokyo and back overnight.
Yeah, I wonder why its wrong, since it should be linked to the system that
tracks the time (and other info like re-route messages) for the operators,
which I think works fine.
Overall, if you want to see want to see working automated stop
announcements, go to Salem. And getting back to the original topic, they
have also used the system to make extra announcements, some of which
operators would stop.
--
--Jason McHuff, http://www.jasonmchuff.net
gl4...@yahoo.com
<n...@jasonmchuff.net> wrote:
> I've heard that the operators claim that the system is not reliable. One
> said that the eary/late time counter changed by several minutes at a stop
> downtown.
Yes, I've heard that too. The web site tracking of the bus, and how long
it is going to take to get to where you are waiting for it, will do that
every once in a while. I've been told it has something to do with the way
the system looks at the stored system timetable.
I've also been told this is why the entire system ceases to work when we
have snow: everything is so far off the published timetable that the
lookup function for the stored timetable information doesn't work.
> > I'm still trying to figure out why the clock gets so screwed up sometimes,
> > though. It's not like someone drove the bus to Tokyo and back overnight.
>
> Yeah, I wonder why its wrong, since it should be linked to the system that
> tracks the time (and other info like re-route messages) for the operators,
> which I think works fine.
Yes, other than the early/late display (which is linked to the lookup
timetable system that doesn't seem to work) THAT unit seems to be OK, and
the time on that display is absolutely spot-on. ALWAYS.
> Overall, if you want to see want to see working automated stop
> announcements, go to Salem. And getting back to the original topic, they
> have also used the system to make extra announcements, some of which
> operators would stop.
I have been to Salem. The thing they have there works fine. It looks a
bit like what TriMet got, but overall their bus system is quite a bit
simpler. I know Salem has grown a lot but I think even now they are still
about 1/10 the population of
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"Phil Kane" <Phil...@nov.shmovz.ka.pop> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 14:09:20 -0800, "Baxter"
> <lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
> >In Portland, the buses ARE free within the downtown area -- and
advertising
> >is *part* of what makes this possible.
>
> But it's not "free" to get into the Fareless Square.
>
And your point?
As far as that goes, it's not free to drive your car to Fareless Square
either -- and definitely not free to park your car there.
Phil Kane
<lbax02.s...@baxcode.com> wrote:
>As far as that goes, it's not free to drive your car to Fareless Square
>either -- and definitely not free to park your car there.
Unless you have a Handicapped Hanger (as I have) and park at a meter
(unless it's a 15 minute zone).
donquijote1954
Phil Kane wrote:
> On 31 Dec 2006 10:16:26 -0800, "donquijote1954"
> <nolionn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Actually that gives me an idea. Why not have the buses free? Yes free,
> >like radio and TV where advertising pays for costs. And then they could
> >even bombard us with advertising instead of the needless information we
> >are fed at the moment.
>
> But, but, but....they do that now and charge for the privilege!
I know, I know. But then they could paint the roof. Or the computer
voice could even say: "Buy this or that deodorant to make people
comfortable in the bus." That could be a great improvement with so many
winos that nowday use public transportation.
> >
> >Just kidding. ;)
>
> I'm not! Don't they have any sense of class......?
No. They assume the people who ride buses won't complain. They don't
have a voice to talk back to the computer voice.
donquijote1954
Baxter wrote:
> > Actually that gives me an idea. Why not have the buses free? Yes free,
> > like radio and TV where advertising pays for costs. And then they could
> > even bombard us with advertising instead of the needless information we
> > are fed at the moment.
> >
> > Just kidding. ;)
> >
> In Portland, the buses ARE free within the downtown area -- and advertising
> is *part* of what makes this possible.
I could even take Bush giving a pep talk on Iraq if it was for free.
Now I'm really kidding.
bus builder
because it is extremely important that the 1% or the handicaps, as you
so eloquently put it, need the information you so desperately seek to
avoid. my suggestion, never get old, never consider others first and
never ride the bus again.
so selfish
donquijote1954
bus builder wrote:
> you are ignoring the logic of the law. ADA requires these things
> because it is extremely important that the 1% or the handicaps, as you
> so eloquently put it, need the information you so desperately seek to
> avoid. my suggestion, never get old, never consider others first and
> never ride the bus again.
> so selfish
Sorry, but I'm so used to the world of politics, where an 80% can be
blatantly ignored (see war in Iraq) that the needs of a mere 1% (which
could perhaps be .1%) sometimes tend to be ignored. And talking about
politics, and the need for a real democracy, where the majority can be
heard too, here is a proposal (THE REVOLUTION) about the buses in
particular and the world in general...
PS: If I had bike lanes, you could have your buses. Or perhaps I get
the point: If I don't like it, I can buy a car. :(
"Public transportation should be A1. (The city of Curitiba, in Brazil,
offers us a functional model of transportation; bicycle lanes should be
implemented along all major streets.) Our roads, where the Law of the
Jungle rules, should be made safer, say by enforcing passing on the
left only."
COMING OUT OF THE JUNGLE
http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote1
donquijote1954
> look this jungle metaphor is useless as are metaphors in general. the
> need of the disabled is greater than the need if the able bodied. the
> precedent should be to not impose on anyone but the difference between
> an elderly person who can barely see hear and walk who needs to know
> when to get off for the dr.s and youre need to zone out and not be
> bothered with the needs of others is great.
> look you refer to democracy but is was exactly such a process that
> ensured the rights of these people that you would otherwise step on.
> if this is a jungle then you are the vulture.
> i end with a phrase you can appreciate
>
> share the road
The needs of the minorities are easily used as an excuse to put the
majority through a hellish treatment. I guess that's what buses have
become. And if I had a choice (a word that should be used more in
democracy), I would use my beautiful bicycles to get around. Once
again, that becomes a hellish experience in which I'm exposed to any
other vehicle out there, without the benefit of having my own space,
aka BIKE LANES.
Metaphors are useful however when I want to make the point that I
REMAIN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FOOD CHAIN. :(
donquijote1954
donquijote1954 wrote:
> Metaphors are useful however when I want to make the point that I
> REMAIN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE FOOD CHAIN. :(
These metaphors are sooo useful. Just look at this...
'This "chain" can be described as follows: Orca (also known as "killer
whales") feed upon seals, that feed upon squid, that eat small fish,
that feed on copepods, that feed on microscopic algae. In this example,
algae-autotrophs by virtue of their ability to photosynthesize-are
the base of the food chain. It is always the case that numbers-or at
least biomass-decreases from the base of the chain to the top. In
other words, the number and mass of phytoplankton cells are much
greater than the number and mass of copepods being supported by the
phytoplankton. Viewed another way: to support one orca requires many
seals, large numbers of squid, huge numbers of fish, and so on down the
chain (see energy pyramid). This is because, with each transfer, some
of the energy is lost to the environment.'
In other words, in the jungle where we live a great mass of smaller
fish go on to feed the big fish, and unless you are a big fish in
America and can own a supersized SUV (so you can brave your way
around), you are somewhere in the food chain, down to where people ride
buses or bikes. :)
Jeff Zeitlin
>NY drivers are supposed to call stops. Limiteds drivers generally do;
>regular drivers occasionally do but if asked, they'll call a
>destination.
I'm a fairly regular bus rider in Manhattan, and my experience has been
that most drivers, local or limited - well over three-quarters of those
I've ridden with - will call the major cross streets on north-south
routes, and every stop on east-west routes. Many, but fewer than the
three-quarters cited above, will call all diverging or intersecting bus
routes and subway stops as well.
--
Jeff Zeitlin
jzei...@cyburban.com
Hans-Joachim Zierke
bus builder schrieb:
> you are ignoring the logic of the law. ADA requires these things
> because it is extremely important that the 1% or the handicaps, as you
> so eloquently put it, need the information you so desperately seek to
> avoid. my suggestion, never get old, never consider others first and
> never ride the bus again.
> so selfish
Take a break.
With today's technology, it should certainly be possible, to give blind
people (who are far less than 1% of the population) a wireless switch
for it. The only question is: What cost for avoiding what kind of
annoyance?
Hans-Joachim
--
Erfahrung ist ja bekanntlich das Wissen, das einen befähigt, einen Fehler
wiederzuerkennen, wenn man ihn zum zweiten Mal macht.
Christoph Schmitz am 27. 11. 2006 in de.etc.bahn.eisenbahntechnik
donquijote1954
Hans-Joachim Zierke wrote:
> bus builder schrieb:
>
>
> > you are ignoring the logic of the law. ADA requires these things
> > because it is extremely important that the 1% or the handicaps, as you
> > so eloquently put it, need the information you so desperately seek to
> > avoid. my suggestion, never get old, never consider others first and
> > never ride the bus again.
> > so selfish
>
> Take a break.
>
> With today's technology, it should certainly be possible, to give blind
> people (who are far less than 1% of the population) a wireless switch
> for it. The only question is: What cost for avoiding what kind of
> annoyance?
The hard of hearing have a device that allows them to hear radio. They
may as well be issued similar equipment for buses.
The problem is, and forgive my metaphors, if the bus-riding monkeys are
worth keeping free of annoyance. ;)
Well, this is a monkey that had it...
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