Oblique strategizing; Goals/Future

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Anthony Bryan

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Jan 10, 2008, 4:58:43 PM1/10/08
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please everyone post your ideas, I'm sure I've missed stuff.

I think we do a pretty good job keeping track of what everyone is up
to on the 2 pages
http://groups.google.com/group/metalink-discussion/web/status-remaining-issues
http://www.metalinker.org/implementation.html

it's been kinda of hard to have a strategy before... but we have about
20 downloaders and 11 generators now.

FOCUS FOR NOW?

as Rene said, many sites won't be interested until there is Firefox
support. even Opera might not matter to some sites. I think these 2
apps should be our main goals. once they have support, a lot of sites
will be interested. I think we need to be organized in our approach,
and ALL work towards it. vote on the Firefox bug, maybe comment,
forums, follow Planet Mozilla & leave comments on developers blogs,
personally contact them, newsgroups: mozilla.dev.apps.firefox. follow
the Opera betas, post on their forums & blogs. one single thing may
not get them on board, but doing all these things will show there is
some interest from people besides just me. I have a few people from
each place I've been in contact w/, if anyone wants email addresses.

until then we're a niche technology (which isn't bad). we can focus on
what we do best. large downloads, verification, adding a bunch of
files to a queue. the tools you guys have built that make it
relatively easy for a project/company to start offering metalinks are
key. and there's still some download managers which strangely don't
support it yet!

WHAT'S COMING!!!

just today the SourceForge bug was updated: Assigned to: Service
Operations Group (sog)
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=350001&aid=1687501&group_id=1
(whether that means we will see anything in 3 mos or 3 yrs...)

tomorrow: KGet 2.0, will be released as part of KDE 4.0.0. this has
been a long time coming, & I'm pretty excited. this means many Linux
distributions/desktops will have a metalink client installed by
default. no need to install one to try metalinks out. it'll be
available early for openSUSE, Arch, & Kubuntu but available for
Kubuntu 8.04 & Fedora 9 in april(?) & openSUSE 11 later.

screenshots...
http://picasaweb.google.com/mmauder/KDE400/photo#5152342481230625826
http://picasaweb.google.com/mmauder/KDE400/photo#5152342137633242066

soon:
DownThemAll 1.0 Firefox extension. this will make using metalinks a
whole lot easier to try out for many people.
Net Transport
VeryCD eMule client
Lailaps Download Manager

possibilities:
Rene's metalink lib ported to Ruby w/ Fred from Speed Download

Celerius: GTK python downloader. Aren, is this still planned for
release at some point?

Eclipse downloads? Bram offered a patch, but I don't think it's been used yet?

Fedora: It's been close to 3 months since I've heard from Ruben, but
he was going to update their mirror manager (python) to create
metalinks in time for a Fedora 9 release in april.

Ubuntu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/140458/

Mandriva: the bug is now assigned & triaged...
http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=31463

Bouncer: if they got interested in metalinks, they could just use Bram's patch.

wget 2.0

ReGet 5.3

(oblique strategies were a set of cards w/ odd phrases to help
jumpstart things when stuck...Go slowly all the way round the outside,
Honor thy error as a hidden intention, Look closely at the most
embarrassing details and amplify them)

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Aren Olson

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Jan 11, 2008, 12:15:25 AM1/11/08
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Just a quick comment on Celerius: Yes I still plan to release it. As
for when, well your guess is as good as mine. I'm going to try to
allocate more time to it this semester, but no promises. Take a look
at the roadmap[1] on Celerius's site if you want to get an idea of the
current state and where I'm headed. Also, feel free to come by
#celerius on freenode, I'm usually in there if you have questions or
just want to prod me along.

Aren Olson

[1] - http://celerius.tuxfamily.org/roadmap

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Rene Leonhardt

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Jan 11, 2008, 3:10:44 AM1/11/08
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On Jan 10, 10:58 pm, "Anthony Bryan" <anthonybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> just today the SourceForge bug was updated: Assigned to: Service
> Operations Group (sog)https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=350001&aid=1687501&...
> (whether that means we will see anything in 3 mos or 3 yrs...)

The development version of the Metalink Library already offers a
comfortable way of creating Metalinks for Eclipse and SourceForge
downloads by just providing the download URL.

# Download the complete mirror list and create cdt-
master-4.0.2.zip.metalink
metalink.py --mirrors=http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?
file=/tools/cdt/releases/europa/dist/cdt-master-4.0.2.zip


> Eclipse downloads? Bram offered a patch, but I don't think it's been used yet?

# Create openproj-1.0.zip.metalink with mirrors from a static list
metalink.py --mirrors=http://downloads.sourceforge.net/openproj/
openproj-1.0.zip

After downloading a BitTorrent file can easily be generated in a
second command-line run.

# Parse the finished download and update the .metalink with piece
checksums and create a .torrent
metalink.py openproj-1.0.zip.metalink --overwrite --create-
torrent=http://example.tracker.org/announce


> Fedora: It's been close to 3 months since I've heard from Ruben, but
> he was going to update their mirror manager (python) to create
> metalinks in time for a Fedora 9 release in april.

Do you have an URL where I can look at the Python code?
I would be glad to help.

Anthony Bryan

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Jan 11, 2008, 12:16:12 PM1/11/08
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On Jan 11, 2008 3:10 AM, Rene Leonhardt <rene.le...@googlemail.com> wrote:

>
> On Jan 10, 10:58pm, "Anthony Bryan" <anthonybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > just today the SourceForge bug was updated: Assigned to: Service
> > Operations Group (sog)https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=350001&aid=1687501&...
> > (whether that means we will see anything in 3 mos or 3 yrs...)
>
> The development version of the Metalink Library already offers a
> comfortable way of creating Metalinks for Eclipse and SourceForge
> downloads by just providing the download URL.

very nice!

> > Fedora: It's been close to 3 months since I've heard from Ruben, but
> > he was going to update their mirror manager (python) to create
> > metalinks in time for a Fedora 9 release in april.
>
> Do you have an URL where I can look at the Python code?
> I would be glad to help.

that would be great! the Fedora people seem too overworked to add it
on their own but more than willing to accept submissions. looking at
the HelpWanted page, they still have "add metalink pages" listed.

https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/mirrormanager has all the info. the
code's in a git repository. Matt Domsch is the guy to contact, I don't
know if some code has already been submitted besides the initial patch
(which I don't think was used). the discussion was in June? on
fedora-devel & -infrastructure lists (I can forward all the info I
have if you want). scanning the infrastructure list, it looks like
there are some opportunities for metalink there. they're going to try
out some limited jigdo stuff for Fedora 9 respins.

Anthony Bryan

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Jan 11, 2008, 4:03:40 PM1/11/08
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On Jan 10, 2008 4:58 PM, Anthony Bryan <anthon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> WHAT'S COMING!!!

>
> tomorrow: KGet 2.0, will be released as part of KDE 4.0.0. this has
> been a long time coming, & I'm pretty excited. this means many Linux
> distributions/desktops will have a metalink client installed by
> default. no need to install one to try metalinks out. it'll be
> available early for openSUSE, Arch, & Kubuntu but available for
> Kubuntu 8.04 & Fedora 9 in april(?) & openSUSE 11 later.
>
> screenshots...
> http://picasaweb.google.com/mmauder/KDE400/photo#5152342481230625826
> http://picasaweb.google.com/mmauder/KDE400/photo#5152342137633242066

KDE 4.0.0 is out! http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.0/

it looks great! not perfect, but a really good beginning. I think KGet
in KDE 4.1 will have even more metalink features.

also, Net Transports w/ piece checksums should be out in the next few days.

Anthony Bryan

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Jan 12, 2008, 3:49:49 PM1/12/08
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On Jan 11, 2008 4:03 PM, Anthony Bryan <anthon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 10, 2008 4:58 PM, Anthony Bryan <anthon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > WHAT'S COMING!!!
> >
> also, Net Transports w/ piece checksums should be out in the next few days.

http://www.xi-soft.com/download.htm

Develop History

Net Transport 2.54 (Jan 12, 2008)

1. Added Metalink Specification (www.metalinker.org), supported
verifying SHA-1, MD5, MD4 checksums. Please click URL right "..."
button to choose ".metalink" extension to select metalink file in the
task dialog; or download .metalink URL directly.

or in Chinese, if you prefer :)

Net Transport 2.54 (2008.01.12)
1、支持Metalink规范 (www.metalinker.org),支持SHA-1、MD5、MD4校验。请通过任务窗口的URL字段右边的"..."按钮选择文件类型为".metalink"来选择;或直接下载.metalink的链接。

Anthony Bryan

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Jan 17, 2008, 2:35:18 AM1/17/08
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On Jan 11, 2008 12:15 AM, Aren Olson <reac...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just a quick comment on Celerius: Yes I still plan to release it. As
> for when, well your guess is as good as mine. I'm going to try to
> allocate more time to it this semester, but no promises. Take a look
> at the roadmap[1] on Celerius's site if you want to get an idea of the
> current state and where I'm headed. Also, feel free to come by
> #celerius on freenode, I'm usually in there if you have questions or
> just want to prod me along.
>
> Aren Olson
>
> [1] - http://celerius.tuxfamily.org/roadmap

thanks for the update!
I stopped by but forgot to prod...looks like I didn't need to.

can code be shared between Celerius & metalink checker? I guess the
goals are different but it seems like there will be feature overlap &
they are both written in Python. are they drastically different?

how would one go about trying Celerius out, or is that not possible
yet? I've got it downloaded.


revno: 18
committer: Aren Olson <reacocard@noslor>
branch nick: celerius
timestamp: Wed 2008-01-16 19:20:56 -0600
message:
lots of fixes, lots of improvements. Perhaps I'll have a basic text-based
downloader ready soon!
modified:
celerius/backend/download/download.py
celerius/backend/download/http.py

revno: 17
committer: Aren Olson <reacocard@noslor>
branch nick: celerius
timestamp: Fri 2008-01-11 21:34:00 -0600
message:
- cleaned up magic number mess in download.py
- improved the basic downloader somewhat, it should now be able to
downloadhttp urls, either fed in raw or within a metalink
modified:
celerius/backend/download/common.py
celerius/backend/download/download.py
celerius/backend/download/http.py

Aren Olson

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Jan 17, 2008, 10:04:03 AM1/17/08
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Oh don't worry about trying it out yet. You can try it (see
download.py), but I'll hopefully have a simple wget-like frontend done
in a few days here so I would advise just waiting for that. As for
code reuse, it's certainly possible. Celerius's downloading library
already does some very basic checking on the resources it finds in a
metalink, and the library is designed to be easily reusable in other
projects. There's still a LOT of work to do, but the downloading
library is finally approaching a usable state!

Aren

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Sebastien WILLEMIJNS

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On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 09:04:03 -0600, "Aren Olson" <reac...@gmail.com>
said:

> already does some very basic checking on the resources it finds in a
> metalink,

what do you looking for ?

- some bad metalink with a lot of bad fields which can freeze core
software (size field wroten twice, filesize more than 1E30 Go, )?
- some bad metalink with some well known "cosmetic" errors (bad filename
or size, no mirrors available, only a torrent...) ?

it is not the same thing ! ;)

Aren Olson

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Jan 17, 2008, 11:38:13 AM1/17/08
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By 'very basic' I mean 'mirror exists and gives correct filesize',
nothing more. Celerius does no checking on the formatting of the
metalink itself, I'm not entirely sure what would happen if it were
fed a bad metalink.

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Anthony Bryan

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On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 4:10 AM, Rene Leonhardt
<rene.le...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> The development version of the Metalink Library already offers a
> comfortable way of creating Metalinks for Eclipse and SourceForge
> downloads by just providing the download URL.

I just saw this post by Ash_Rulez on the FlashGot forum:

"I want to convert download URLs automatically to Metalink files with
the help of the Metalink Library, which usually just works fine.

But with Flashgot 0.8.8 (WinXP 32 SP2, Firefox 3.0b4) the [URL]
parameter for a batch file will be cut after an equal sign (=).
In contrary the [UFILE] file contains the full URL.

Example:
http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file=/tools/cdt/releases/europa/dist/cdt-master-4.0.3.zip

[URL] http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file
[UFILE] contains
http://www.eclipse.org/downloads/download.php?file=/tools/cdt/releases/europa/dist/cdt-master-4.0.3.zip

...
Thanks to Flashgot 0.8.9.1, my case works perfectly now (Aria2 +
Metalink Library = automatic cross-platform BitTorrent and Metalink
generation)."

Rene Leonhardt

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On Mar 25, 1:12 am, "Anthony Bryan" <anthonybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks to Flashgot 0.8.9.1, my case works perfectly now (Aria2 +
> Metalink Library = automatic cross-platform BitTorrent and Metalink
> generation)."

Ant is a master in finding related information :)

Giorgio theoretically could add automatic and manual Aria2 detection
for different operating systems.
And with the help of the Metalink Library, SourceForge and Eclipse
download links can be transformed to Metalinks and downloaded from
multiple sources in one click.

If someone knows corresponding KGet command-line information, I will
add a similar shell script, too.

If you know another important download mirror system which would be
worth to support, please let me know.


Anthony Bryan

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Sep 30, 2008, 2:54:29 AM9/30/08
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here are some ideas/goals I've had in mind lately.

- Tidy up www.metalinker.org & lay things out better.
- Need C/C++ developers to work on & submit patches for wget, curl,
Google Chrome, & Firefox. Also, chunk checksums in DownThemAll!
see http://groups.google.com/group/metalink-discussion/web/gsoc08-ideas
- Focus on web servers & maybe investigate proxies.
maybe just a short description of how to setup apache for just serving
static metalinks with transparent content negotiation.
for proxies, any files cached would be seen as different because they
were accessed from a diff uri or if segmented downloads were used.
- Continue refining Internet Draft with IETF
- Presentations at conferences, meetups, user groups
- More articles, podcasts, videos, screencasts describing metalink
- Join with a non profit group like Software Freedom Conservancy or
Open Web Foundation?
- Search for funding like the Knight News Challenge
http://www.newschallenge.org/ or http://www.grants.gov/
- Continue applying for programs like Sun's Community Innovation
Program & Google Summer of Code
- Packaging for distributions. libmetalink, metalink checker, gget, etc

Anthony Bryan

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On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:54 AM, Anthony Bryan <anthon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> here are some ideas/goals I've had in mind lately.
>
> - Search for funding like the Knight News Challenge
> http://www.newschallenge.org/ or http://www.grants.gov/

here's my application for the Knight News Challenge

http://generalapp.newschallenge.org/SNC/ViewItem.aspx?pguid=4a4f8c6a-d2c2-4545-82db-c8ed4b415eba&itemguid=2291351f-5b93-499e-b8ec-44b2c5ae430b

Peter Poeml

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On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:30:10PM -0400, Anthony Bryan wrote:
>
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:54 AM, Anthony Bryan <anthon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > here are some ideas/goals I've had in mind lately.
> >
> > - Search for funding like the Knight News Challenge
> > http://www.newschallenge.org/ or http://www.grants.gov/
>
> here's my application for the Knight News Challenge
>
> http://generalapp.newschallenge.org/SNC/ViewItem.aspx?pguid=4a4f8c6a-d2c2-4545-82db-c8ed4b415eba&itemguid=2291351f-5b93-499e-b8ec-44b2c5ae430b

Great!

I am writing on a comment.
Unfortunately, I wrote 1853 characters but it turns out that 1000
comments is the maximum.

(So now I'm working on shortening it ;)

Peter
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Nicolas

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Oct 29, 2008, 6:50:53 PM10/29/08
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On 30 sep, 04:54, "Anthony Bryan" <anthonybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> - Need C/C++ developers to work on & submit patches for wget, curl,
> Google Chrome, & Firefox. Also, chunk checksums in DownThemAll!
> seehttp://groups.google.com/group/metalink-discussion/web/gsoc08-ideas

My personal opinion is that metalinks are out of the scope of wget and
curl. Although wget developers seemed interested in expanding
horizons, adding multithreaded downloads and stuff, I'm almost sure
curl wouldn't :)

If someone wants to download metalinks from scripts, using a command
line tool with a nice interface... there is aria2.

Anthony Bryan

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On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:50 PM, Nicolas <nicolas...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 30 sep, 04:54, "Anthony Bryan" <anthonybr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> - Need C/C++ developers to work on & submit patches for wget, curl,
>> Google Chrome, & Firefox. Also, chunk checksums in DownThemAll!
>> seehttp://groups.google.com/group/metalink-discussion/web/gsoc08-ideas
>
> My personal opinion is that metalinks are out of the scope of wget and
> curl. Although wget developers seemed interested in expanding
> horizons, adding multithreaded downloads and stuff, I'm almost sure
> curl wouldn't :)

both apps maintainer's are waiting for patches to add metalink
support. I've been meaning to post about curl.

Daniel, the curl author, has blogged about it & generously put up $200
towards a feature bounty (along w/ $300 from us, for a total of $500).

Daniel Stenberg writes:
"A metalink file transfer library could be made as a layer on top of
libcurl, and I think that is the only logical and sensible way.
Adding metalink support to the curl tool however, seems like a good idea to me…"

Requirements: (1) Single source (ie not multi-source) downloads from a
single URL at a time. (2) Failover to other URLs listed in a Metalink
if the current URL is unavailable.
(3) Use chunk checksums and full file checksums so downloads retain
integrity. (4) Code to curl's coding standards for quality and
formatting so it can be incorporated into the curl sources.

http://groups.google.com/group/metalink-discussion/web/gsoc08-ideas

> If someone wants to download metalinks from scripts, using a command
> line tool with a nice interface... there is aria2.

true, and we love it!

Anthony Bryan

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Oct 30, 2008, 2:00:19 AM10/30/08
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On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Peter Poeml <po...@suse.de> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 01:30:10PM -0400, Anthony Bryan wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:54 AM, Anthony Bryan <anthon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > here are some ideas/goals I've had in mind lately.
>> >
>> > - Search for funding like the Knight News Challenge
>> > http://www.newschallenge.org/ or http://www.grants.gov/
>>
>> here's my application for the Knight News Challenge
>>
>> http://generalapp.newschallenge.org/SNC/ViewItem.aspx?pguid=4a4f8c6a-d2c2-4545-82db-c8ed4b415eba&itemguid=2291351f-5b93-499e-b8ec-44b2c5ae430b
>
> Great!
>
> I am writing on a comment.
> Unfortunately, I wrote 1853 characters but it turns out that 1000
> comments is the maximum.
>
> (So now I'm working on shortening it ;)

great comment, thank you so much Peter!

if anyone's curious about the $ amount, it's what my mentor for the
program told me to put. it's how much he received to do a website for
the 2014 winter olympics.

http://www.newschallenge.org/sochi_olympics_project

Peter Poeml

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Oct 30, 2008, 6:17:25 AM10/30/08
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On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 02:54:29AM -0400, Anthony Bryan wrote:
> - Presentations at conferences, meetups, user groups

Metalink technology should indeed be presented at conferences.

I think that academic world is especially grateful for "real-world"
papers with practical relevance and pragmatism, because there is a lack
thereof.

Below is a list of possible targets I found.

International World Wide Web Conference
http://www.iw3c2.org/
Next one is in March 09, Madrid, Spain.
The proceedings of this year are here:
http://www2008.org/papers/Proceedings.html


NSDI - USENIX Symposium on Networked Systems Design and Implementation
http://www.usenix.org/events/nsdi09/
Next one is in April 09, Boston, MA.
Past conferences: http://www.usenix.org/event/byname/nsdi.html
Proceedings of this year: http://www.usenix.org/events/nsdi08/tech/


IPTPS - International Workshop on Peer-to-Peer Systems
http://www.usenix.org/events/iptps09/
April 09, Boston, MA (is held mmediately before NSDI'09)
Past Proceedings: http://iptps.org/


ACM symposium on Applied computing
http://www.acm.org/conferences/sac/
Next one: March 09, Honolulu, Hawaii
http://www.acm.org/conferences/sac/sac2009/
Past proceedings via ACM library:
http://portal.acm.org/toc.cfm?id=1066677&type=proceeding&coll=ACM&dl=ACM&CFID=7148331&CFTOKEN=72614786
http://portal.acm.org/toc.cfm?id=SERIES179&type=series&coll=ACM&dl=ACM&CFID=7148331&CFTOKEN=72614786

Neil M.

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Oct 30, 2008, 10:48:02 AM10/30/08
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Hmmm, funny you should mention that one. A co-worker of mine just told
me that he is presenting there. I'm going to try and see if I can go as
part of my work duties and get them to cover the cost, so I could also
present Metalink while I'm there.

The bad news, looks like its too late for submissions for most of the
tracks.

Neil

Anthony Bryan

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On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 6:17 AM, Peter Poeml <po...@suse.de> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 02:54:29AM -0400, Anthony Bryan wrote:
>> - Presentations at conferences, meetups, user groups
>
> Metalink technology should indeed be presented at conferences.
>
> I think that academic world is especially grateful for "real-world"
> papers with practical relevance and pragmatism, because there is a lack
> thereof.
>
> Below is a list of possible targets I found.

this would be great! a few years ago, I always sent in papers on
metalink but never got accepted.

hopefully now, we have enough experience and "proof" that it's useful.

while we can't afford to pay for people to attend these, we might be
able to help out a little bit. & if the funding situation changes,
this is one of the things I think needs to be paid for to help get
academia involved.

> International World Wide Web Conference
> http://www.iw3c2.org/
> Next one is in March 09, Madrid, Spain.
> The proceedings of this year are here:
> http://www2008.org/papers/Proceedings.html
>
>
> NSDI - USENIX Symposium on Networked Systems Design and Implementation
> http://www.usenix.org/events/nsdi09/
> Next one is in April 09, Boston, MA.
> Past conferences: http://www.usenix.org/event/byname/nsdi.html
> Proceedings of this year: http://www.usenix.org/events/nsdi08/tech/
>
>
> IPTPS - International Workshop on Peer-to-Peer Systems
> http://www.usenix.org/events/iptps09/
> April 09, Boston, MA (is held mmediately before NSDI'09)
> Past Proceedings: http://iptps.org/
>
>
> ACM symposium on Applied computing
> http://www.acm.org/conferences/sac/
> Next one: March 09, Honolulu, Hawaii
> http://www.acm.org/conferences/sac/sac2009/
> Past proceedings via ACM library:
> http://portal.acm.org/toc.cfm?id=1066677&type=proceeding&coll=ACM&dl=ACM&CFID=7148331&CFTOKEN=72614786
> http://portal.acm.org/toc.cfm?id=SERIES179&type=series&coll=ACM&dl=ACM&CFID=7148331&CFTOKEN=72614786

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Bram Neijt

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Oct 30, 2008, 7:45:13 PM10/30/08
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I must admit that I actually quite like to give lectures on things like
this, so if anybody spots a conference in the Netherlands or nearby in
Europe I will actually consider visiting.

I have held a talk on metalinks a while ago on FOSDEM [1] and I enjoyed
that allot (they even gave me a box of chocolates!) and Anthony was even
willing to help out with the traveling costs!

Anybody who has the chance to do anything like this: go for it. It was
allot of fun and I saw allot of cool things.

If anybody finds information on a conference that might be willing to
accept a talk about metalinks, post it on the list ;)

Bram

[1] http://ftp.belnet.be/mirrors/FOSDEM/2007/Lightning_Talks/

Anthony Bryan

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Oct 30, 2008, 11:14:35 PM10/30/08
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Bram was a trailblazer, the first to give a talk on metalink I believe!

FOSDEM 09 is coming up in Feb, as is BarCamp/Future of Web Apps Miami.
I should also look at those conferences in Boston that Peter
mentioned...

anyone want to co-author a paper? :)

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Anthony Bryan

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Nov 26, 2008, 8:10:21 PM11/26/08
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On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Anthony Bryan <anthon...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:54 AM, Anthony Bryan <anthon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> here are some ideas/goals I've had in mind lately.
>>
>> - Search for funding like the Knight News Challenge
>> http://www.newschallenge.org/ or http://www.grants.gov/
>
> here's my application for the Knight News Challenge

thanks to everyone for their help w/ the Knight challenge! we didn't
get it, the application wasn't specific enough to a geographic
location.

on to other opportunities...

SourceForge doesn't use metalinks yet!
https://sourceforge.net/tracker2/index.php?func=detail&aid=1687501&group_id=1&atid=350001
I still have occasional problems downloading when their mirrors
haven't synced...

One Laptop Per Child. what a cool thing! OLPC system images are quite
large, ISO sized sometimes, & probably downloaded by people w/ awful
internet connections. Python is a main part of their system. maybe a
chance to integrate metalink-checker for system update downloads?
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Builds#Stable_builds

launchpad.net, Canonical's webapp for bugs, translations, etc.
launchpad is closed source for now, so we can't submit patches, but in
the future will be open. or we could get someone sympathetic on the
inside.
see this download page https://launchpad.net/bzr/+download w/ md5 &
signatures. could be really slick!

Nicolas Alvarez

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Nov 26, 2008, 8:52:12 PM11/26/08
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Anthony Bryan wrote:
> One Laptop Per Child. what a cool thing! OLPC system images are quite
> large, ISO sized sometimes, & probably downloaded by people w/ awful
> internet connections. Python is a main part of their system. maybe a
> chance to integrate metalink-checker for system update downloads?
> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Builds#Stable_builds

Not to mention children would be confused if shown a list of mirrors and
instructions on how to manually check md5s! Yet they could get the same
functionality with the same usability as a single-mirror link with
metalink :)


Anthony Bryan

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Dec 16, 2008, 1:21:14 PM12/16/08
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FOSDEM 2009 is coming up in 7-8 February in Brussels, Belgium.

10 days until the deadline to give 15 min lightning talks. anyone want
to go? :) it sounds like a cool experience & we'll help out w/ the
traveling costs again.

2008-12-26: Deadline for lightning talk requests

http://www.fosdem.org/2009/call_for_lightningtalks

Peter Poeml

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Dec 16, 2008, 1:34:04 PM12/16/08
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On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 01:21:14PM -0500, Ant Bryan wrote:
>
> FOSDEM 2009 is coming up in 7-8 February in Brussels, Belgium.

Thanks for the reminder.


>
> 10 days until the deadline to give 15 min lightning talks. anyone want
> to go? :) it sounds like a cool experience & we'll help out w/ the
> traveling costs again.
>
> 2008-12-26: Deadline for lightning talk requests
>
> http://www.fosdem.org/2009/call_for_lightningtalks

Fosdem would be a nice opportunity to meet also! I'll be there.

Anthony Bryan

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Dec 21, 2008, 1:20:18 PM12/21/08
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another conference possibility?

http://en.oreilly.com/oscon2009/public/cfp/57

OSCON 2009 (San Jose, CA - 20-24 July 2009) Call for Participation

Call closes midnight 02/03/2009 PST.

Some of the topics we hope to see for the 2009 conference program are:

* Doing more with less, the opportunities of a constrained economy
* Design and usability: tools, techniques, and success stories
* Open source in smart phones and mobile networked devices
* Cloud computing, openness in distributed services
* Parallelization, grid, and multicore technologies
* Open web, open standards, open data
* AI, machine learning, and other ways of making software smarter
than the people using it
* Open source in democracy, politics, government, and education
* Best practices for building a business model around open source
* Virtualization, appliances, and their creation and deployment

You'll be asked to include the following information for your proposal:

* Proposed title
* Overview and extended descriptions of the presentation: main
idea, sub topics, conclusion
* Suggested track
* Speaker(s): expertise and summary biography

Proposals will be considered for the following types of presentations:

* 3 hour tutorials
* 45 minute sessions
* 45 minute panel discussions

We also ask you to be clear about the experience and knowledge level
of the audience that you are targeting: novice, intermediate, or
expert. Keep in mind that we look for a balance of all three
experience levels when determining the conference schedule.
Tracks:

* Administration – open source innovations in system and network
administration
* Business – open source best practices applied within the
enterprise, legal issues and marketing strategies
* Databases – essential techniques and advanced tips in MySQL,
PostgreSQL, SQLite, etc.
* Desktop Applications – GUI toolkits, synchronization and offline
caching, filling the long tail of a fully open source desktop
experience
* Design & Usability
* Emerging Topics – promising projects, proposals, and people
(everything that doesn't fit in another track)
* Java – new tools, building on OpenJDK, Harmony, etc.
* Linux – creation, use, and future direction of Linux and its
killer apps, from kernel and distros to office suites and multimedia
* Mobile – ahead-of-the-curve open telephony and mobile
technologies, people, projects, and activities pushing the boundaries
of what's possible
* People – community, users and their experience, user-centered
design, and usability, humans rather than technology or processes,
marketing as an architecture of collaboration
* Perl – (Perl Conference 12) Perl 5 and Perl 6, trends from
databases to mod_perl to Perl hacks for productivity
* PHP – (PHP Conference 8) migration, deployment, security, and
preparing for the future
* Programming – hard-core open source tools, technologies, and
techniques for elegant, quality coding
* Python – (Python 16 Conference) latest developments, Python 2.x and 3.0
* Ruby – Rails, Ruby 2.0, test, deploy, extend, and integrate
* Security – application, network, and data security, from Linux
firewalls to VoIP risks
* Web Applications – the perpetual beta model, user experience,
frameworks, scaling, testing

Have a passion to share what you know? If so, you are invited to
submit a proposal now to speak at the next OSCON.

Anthony Bryan

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Jun 15, 2009, 9:36:47 AM6/15/09
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from http://blogs.fsfe.org/adridg/?p=120

http://www.nluug.nl/events/nj09/index.html

"The NLUUG fall conference (expect around 280 attendees in Ede, the
Netherlands) is on the Open Web this time around; if you’re working on
web standards, web tools, interoperability or anything else covered by
the call for abstracts (PDF, 817k, low information density), do drop
the programme committee a note (and an abstract of around 200 words).
Even policy wonks can have their say there. Deadline for submissions
is the end of this month."

Anthony Bryan

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Dec 21, 2009, 12:04:59 PM12/21/09
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FOSDEM '10 (6-7 February, Brussels, Belgium) is coming up & Lightning
talk deadline was extended until 12/25

so if anyone feels like giving a presentation, on metalink or anything
else, go for it!

http://www.fosdem.org/2010/

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