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Clogtowner
Nov 6, 2009, 9:59:48 AM11/6/09
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Hi y'all - I find it hard to believe that the military shooting today
was not motivated by religion. Although the perpetrator's military
record shows "no religious preference," on the morning of the
incident, he was apparently dressed in Muslim attire and he shouted in
Arabic "God is Great" before he opened fire. This, together with his
declared aversion to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, lead to my
feelings that the crime is based on religion. Please correct me.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/06/2009-11-06_susptected_gunman_in_fort_hood_shooting_maj_nidal_malik_hasan_shouted_allah_akba.html
was not motivated by religion. Although the perpetrator's military
record shows "no religious preference," on the morning of the
incident, he was apparently dressed in Muslim attire and he shouted in
Arabic "God is Great" before he opened fire. This, together with his
declared aversion to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, lead to my
feelings that the crime is based on religion. Please correct me.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/06/2009-11-06_susptected_gunman_in_fort_hood_shooting_maj_nidal_malik_hasan_shouted_allah_akba.html
ornamentalmind
Nov 6, 2009, 10:11:46 AM11/6/09
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Since it is your belief clog, it is unassailable. And, so far, no one
can be sure of another person’s true motivation(s). Many don’t even
know their own!
And, regardless of the FBI’s interpretation, it was terrorism, plain
and simple. Of course, he may have been depressed. As I understand it,
he had a history of this ailment. And, being a shrink who dealt
specifically with this type of illness associated with the military,
I’d guess he was ripe for a break. His Imam said he was heartbroken
not being able to find a good wife!
On Nov 6, 6:59 am, Clogtowner <clogtow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi y'all - I find it hard to believe that the military shooting today
> was not motivated by religion. Although the perpetrator's military
> record shows "no religious preference," on the morning of the
> incident, he was apparently dressed in Muslim attire and he shouted in
> Arabic "God is Great" before he opened fire. This, together with his
> declared aversion to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, lead to my
> feelings that the crime is based on religion. Please correct me.http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/06/2009-11-06_suspte...
can be sure of another person’s true motivation(s). Many don’t even
know their own!
And, regardless of the FBI’s interpretation, it was terrorism, plain
and simple. Of course, he may have been depressed. As I understand it,
he had a history of this ailment. And, being a shrink who dealt
specifically with this type of illness associated with the military,
I’d guess he was ripe for a break. His Imam said he was heartbroken
not being able to find a good wife!
On Nov 6, 6:59 am, Clogtowner <clogtow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi y'all - I find it hard to believe that the military shooting today
> was not motivated by religion. Although the perpetrator's military
> record shows "no religious preference," on the morning of the
> incident, he was apparently dressed in Muslim attire and he shouted in
> Arabic "God is Great" before he opened fire. This, together with his
> declared aversion to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, lead to my
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Jason
Nov 6, 2009, 1:50:27 PM11/6/09
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Clog & Orn:
It was not an act of terrorism in my opinion. Terrorism is "the useof
violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for
politicalpurposes" (dictionary.com). This man was a Muslim in a
desperate situation who had been harassed for being a Muslim and
feared being deployed. This act is no more an act of terrorism than
the combat marine who blow away some police officers in California
when he wasordered to re-deploy to Iraq a few years ago. People often
get religious when someone blasts a hole in them especially when the
shooter watches them bleed to death (or, the person is placed in some
other really stressful situation). For this to be terrorism, there
needs to be some organization (or even small group) backing him for
coercive, intimidation, or political purposes (which may surface).
Otherwise, it is a criminal act with some possible religious
motivation. I sincerely hope that Muslims fight in our military as
Americans for America (or, even for humanity). In addition, I hope
that this brings forth some of the verses in the Koran that support
some of this violent behavior. Those calls to battle Koranic verses
in combination with the stressful situation may be what pushed him
over the edge. I also noticed that the Islamic organizations quickly
denounced the act of violence but no, not a one, Islamic organization
praised Muslims for serving in the United States military or praised
any Muslim's soldier's sacrifice for this country. Islam is more
important than humanity or American even for "American-Muslims"--or so
it seems.
Jason
On Nov 6, 8:59 am, Clogtowner <clogtow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi y'all - I find it hard to believe that the military shooting today
> was not motivated by religion. Although the perpetrator's military
> record shows "no religious preference," on the morning of the
> incident, he was apparently dressed in Muslim attire and he shouted in
> Arabic "God is Great" before he opened fire. This, together with his
> declared aversion to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, lead to my
> feelings that the crime is based on religion. Please correct me.http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/06/2009-11-06_suspte...
It was not an act of terrorism in my opinion. Terrorism is "the useof
violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for
politicalpurposes" (dictionary.com). This man was a Muslim in a
desperate situation who had been harassed for being a Muslim and
feared being deployed. This act is no more an act of terrorism than
the combat marine who blow away some police officers in California
when he wasordered to re-deploy to Iraq a few years ago. People often
get religious when someone blasts a hole in them especially when the
shooter watches them bleed to death (or, the person is placed in some
other really stressful situation). For this to be terrorism, there
needs to be some organization (or even small group) backing him for
coercive, intimidation, or political purposes (which may surface).
Otherwise, it is a criminal act with some possible religious
motivation. I sincerely hope that Muslims fight in our military as
Americans for America (or, even for humanity). In addition, I hope
that this brings forth some of the verses in the Koran that support
some of this violent behavior. Those calls to battle Koranic verses
in combination with the stressful situation may be what pushed him
over the edge. I also noticed that the Islamic organizations quickly
denounced the act of violence but no, not a one, Islamic organization
praised Muslims for serving in the United States military or praised
any Muslim's soldier's sacrifice for this country. Islam is more
important than humanity or American even for "American-Muslims"--or so
it seems.
Jason
On Nov 6, 8:59 am, Clogtowner <clogtow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi y'all - I find it hard to believe that the military shooting today
> was not motivated by religion. Although the perpetrator's military
> record shows "no religious preference," on the morning of the
> incident, he was apparently dressed in Muslim attire and he shouted in
> Arabic "God is Great" before he opened fire. This, together with his
> declared aversion to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, lead to my
Clogtowner
Nov 6, 2009, 2:59:09 PM11/6/09
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Hi y'all - my beliefs are assailable, usually in light of more
evidence. This was not simply terrorism.
evidence. This was not simply terrorism.
Jason
Nov 6, 2009, 9:17:26 PM11/6/09
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I think that religion was very much an issue. Terrorism? That is a
stretch.
Jason
Foot Hood Suspect's Religion was an Issue
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/06/fort.hood.suspect.muslim/
stretch.
Jason
Foot Hood Suspect's Religion was an Issue
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/06/fort.hood.suspect.muslim/
Clogtowner
Nov 6, 2009, 9:39:32 PM11/6/09
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Hi y'all - as more evidence becomes apparent from his colleagues who
are not able to speak openly owing to army regulations, it seems as
though religion played a large part in this.
are not able to speak openly owing to army regulations, it seems as
though religion played a large part in this.
ornamentalmind
Nov 7, 2009, 2:37:39 AM11/7/09
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“It was not an act of terrorism in my opinion. Terrorism is "the
Yes Jason, I understand your opinion. And, your opinion might be valid
IIF one cherry picks one of many definitions at a source while
ignoring the abbreviation ‘esp.’.
When the rest of the definitions are addressed and used, the term
terrorist can be perceived as being quite accurate.
However, I won’t belabor it because it is generally understood that
there is no global agreement on the meaning of the term!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism
Personally I don’t normally use the term and like its use even less as
it is presented in current day parlance. It is a snappy term that is
evocative and easy to assign any number of attributes and motivations
to…for any occasion. Any member of the Ministry of Truth worth their
salt knows this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtepuyvsGbg
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useof
violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for
politicalpurposes" (dictionary.com)….” – J
violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for
Yes Jason, I understand your opinion. And, your opinion might be valid
IIF one cherry picks one of many definitions at a source while
ignoring the abbreviation ‘esp.’.
When the rest of the definitions are addressed and used, the term
terrorist can be perceived as being quite accurate.
However, I won’t belabor it because it is generally understood that
there is no global agreement on the meaning of the term!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism
Personally I don’t normally use the term and like its use even less as
it is presented in current day parlance. It is a snappy term that is
evocative and easy to assign any number of attributes and motivations
to…for any occasion. Any member of the Ministry of Truth worth their
salt knows this!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtepuyvsGbg
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> - Show quoted text -
Clogtowner
Nov 7, 2009, 9:54:12 AM11/7/09
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Hi y'all - As I see and hear more about this guy, I am coming to a
conclusion that he became faced with an ultimate choice. He chose the
Koran and his Muslim Brotherhood. I believe it will be swept under the
table and a less controversial reason given. Nevertheless,
unfortunately, I prophecy (go on then) that these acts will become
more prevalent here, as they have in Europe.
On Nov 7, 1:37 am, ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> “It was not an act of terrorism in my opinion. Terrorism is "the
> useof
> violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for
> politicalpurposes" (dictionary.com)….” – J
>
> Yes Jason, I understand your opinion. And, your opinion might be valid
> IIF one cherry picks one of many definitions at a source while
> ignoring the abbreviation ‘esp.’.
> When the rest of the definitions are addressed and used, the term
> terrorist can be perceived as being quite accurate.
>
> However, I won’t belabor it because it is generally understood that
> there is no global agreement on the meaning of the term!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism
> > > feelings that the crime is based on religion. Please correct me.http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/06/2009-11-06_suspte...Hide quoted text -
conclusion that he became faced with an ultimate choice. He chose the
Koran and his Muslim Brotherhood. I believe it will be swept under the
table and a less controversial reason given. Nevertheless,
unfortunately, I prophecy (go on then) that these acts will become
more prevalent here, as they have in Europe.
On Nov 7, 1:37 am, ornamentalmind <ornamentalm...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> “It was not an act of terrorism in my opinion. Terrorism is "the
> useof
> violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for
> politicalpurposes" (dictionary.com)….” – J
>
> Yes Jason, I understand your opinion. And, your opinion might be valid
> IIF one cherry picks one of many definitions at a source while
> ignoring the abbreviation ‘esp.’.
> When the rest of the definitions are addressed and used, the term
> terrorist can be perceived as being quite accurate.
>
> However, I won’t belabor it because it is generally understood that
Jason
Nov 7, 2009, 11:42:46 AM11/7/09
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The question is: how can we minimize the number of these kinds of
killings? Christians had similar kinds of killing with the
abortionist doctor recently; England had a number of killings between
the Catholics and the Protestants. What was effective for them to
reduce the body count? And can some of those methods work with the
Muslims (or other groups)?
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killings? Christians had similar kinds of killing with the
abortionist doctor recently; England had a number of killings between
the Catholics and the Protestants. What was effective for them to
reduce the body count? And can some of those methods work with the
Muslims (or other groups)?
Clogtowner
Nov 7, 2009, 12:19:14 PM11/7/09
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Hi y'all - I don't know how to lessen the killings as long as religion
is rife. IMHO there is a huge difference between the Christian bible
and the Muslim "bible." Muslims who read the Koran are faced with the
requirement to enslave the people of the book and kill or convert
infidels. It is absolutely plain 9.29 I suppose we should encourage
Muslims not to read the Koran and continue to believe (as some do)
that it is a religion of peace. A misguided Muslim is preferable to an
informed one as were the 9/11 group.
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is rife. IMHO there is a huge difference between the Christian bible
and the Muslim "bible." Muslims who read the Koran are faced with the
requirement to enslave the people of the book and kill or convert
infidels. It is absolutely plain 9.29 I suppose we should encourage
Muslims not to read the Koran and continue to believe (as some do)
that it is a religion of peace. A misguided Muslim is preferable to an
informed one as were the 9/11 group.
ornamentalmind
Nov 7, 2009, 4:30:51 PM11/7/09
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“The question is: how can we minimize the number of these kinds of
killings? “ – J
Personally I do not think this is possible without culling the herd,
implementing global totalitarianism, (not sure even this would work)
or using some other type of draconian measure(s).
History is my evidence.
And, IIF one is interested in minimizing killings in general, I would
suggest starting out by dealing with more prolific types and easier to
control types.
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killings? “ – J
Personally I do not think this is possible without culling the herd,
implementing global totalitarianism, (not sure even this would work)
or using some other type of draconian measure(s).
History is my evidence.
And, IIF one is interested in minimizing killings in general, I would
suggest starting out by dealing with more prolific types and easier to
control types.
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Jason
Nov 7, 2009, 5:07:03 PM11/7/09
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Orn,
Yes, I think that you just need to sit in the lotus position (in
totally selfish, selfless peace) and do absolutely nothing while
innocent people are murdered around you. That is very Buddha of you.
If I am wrong about your general philosophy, tell me how.
Jason
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Yes, I think that you just need to sit in the lotus position (in
totally selfish, selfless peace) and do absolutely nothing while
innocent people are murdered around you. That is very Buddha of you.
If I am wrong about your general philosophy, tell me how.
Jason
Jason
Nov 7, 2009, 5:08:46 PM11/7/09
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Orn,
By the way, I am partly trying to rile you but also get a clear
answer.
Remember that simply having people in a group with different
worldviews creates tension, period.
Jason
> > > > > > feelings that the crime is based on religion. Please correct me.http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/06/2009-11-06_suspte...-
By the way, I am partly trying to rile you but also get a clear
answer.
Remember that simply having people in a group with different
worldviews creates tension, period.
Jason
ornamentalmind
Nov 7, 2009, 8:01:43 PM11/7/09
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“…If I am wrong about your general philosophy, tell me how.” – J
Jason, normally I do not respond to intentionally provocative and
intentionally misleading requests. In this one instance, since you at
least admitted to using hyperbole at the very least if not numerous
fallacies, I’ll give a short response.
I can only guess that you either didn’t read my post or misread it
because:
1. I gave specific required actions to bring about change. (“…culling
2. I pointed to all of history as evidence of what I contended, that “…
how can we minimize the number of these kinds of killings?...” – J is
possible only with the changes/actions mentioned in #1 above.
3. I then went on to suggest that other types of killing can be seen
as being even more important to address based on quantity and ease of
control.
4. None of this implies in any way that I nor anyone should “…sit in
all hyperbole aside.
QED
As to your comment that “…having people in a group with different
worldviews creates tension, period.” I would agree that this is a
possibility, albeit not an absolute any more than the conclusion that
all atheists hold the same beliefs is if you had not in addition used:
Argument by Generalization
Argument by Slogan
Argument by Half Truth
Argument by Selective Observation
Argument by Ad Hominem
Argument by Scenario
Moving the Goalposts
Argument by Laziness
Reductive Fallacy
Psychogenetic Fallacy
Argument by Emotive Language
Begging the Question
Bad Analogy
Extended Analogy
Argument from Spurious Similarity
Reifying
False Cause
Causal Reductionism
Tying
Special Pleading
Fallacy of Extension
Weasel Wording
Error of Fact
Pious Fraud
Jason, normally I do not respond to intentionally provocative and
intentionally misleading requests. In this one instance, since you at
least admitted to using hyperbole at the very least if not numerous
fallacies, I’ll give a short response.
I can only guess that you either didn’t read my post or misread it
because:
1. I gave specific required actions to bring about change. (“…culling
the herd,
implementing global totalitarianism, (not sure even this would work)
or using some other type of draconian measure(s)…)
implementing global totalitarianism, (not sure even this would work)
2. I pointed to all of history as evidence of what I contended, that “…
how can we minimize the number of these kinds of killings?...” – J is
possible only with the changes/actions mentioned in #1 above.
3. I then went on to suggest that other types of killing can be seen
as being even more important to address based on quantity and ease of
control.
4. None of this implies in any way that I nor anyone should “…sit in
the lotus position (in totally selfish, selfless peace) and do
absolutely nothing while innocent people are murdered around you.”,
all hyperbole aside.
QED
As to your comment that “…having people in a group with different
worldviews creates tension, period.” I would agree that this is a
possibility, albeit not an absolute any more than the conclusion that
all atheists hold the same beliefs is if you had not in addition used:
Argument by Generalization
Argument by Slogan
Argument by Half Truth
Argument by Selective Observation
Argument by Ad Hominem
Argument by Scenario
Moving the Goalposts
Argument by Laziness
Reductive Fallacy
Psychogenetic Fallacy
Argument by Emotive Language
Begging the Question
Bad Analogy
Extended Analogy
Argument from Spurious Similarity
Reifying
False Cause
Causal Reductionism
Tying
Special Pleading
Fallacy of Extension
Weasel Wording
Error of Fact
Pious Fraud
Clogtowner
Nov 8, 2009, 10:00:46 AM11/8/09
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Hi y'all - to accuse someone of "Pious Fraud" is to probe the depths
of depravity!
of depravity!
Clogtowner
Nov 8, 2009, 10:08:24 AM11/8/09
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Hi y'all - another snippet on the topic:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article6908183.ece
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article6908183.ece
Jason
Nov 8, 2009, 12:16:40 PM11/8/09
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Orn,
That is a fair enough response. Thanks.
Jason
That is a fair enough response. Thanks.
Jason
Tom
Nov 8, 2009, 2:12:19 PM11/8/09
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We can never know the full mix of motives and causes including depression, death of his father, being picked on, etc., but I think that I think there is a part of the modern Islam that contains a meme bent on self-immolation and that to some unknown extent this Major picked up on it and verbalized it.
Clogtowner
Nov 8, 2009, 6:56:03 PM11/8/09
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Hi y'all - is there a "modern" Islam? The meme you refer to is 9.29
On Nov 8, 1:12 pm, Tom <ssoitg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We can never know the full mix of motives and causes including depression,
> death of his father, being picked on, etc., but I think that I think there
> is a part of the modern Islam that contains a meme bent on self-immolation
> and that to some unknown extent this Major picked up on it and verbalized
> it.
>
On Nov 8, 1:12 pm, Tom <ssoitg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> We can never know the full mix of motives and causes including depression,
> death of his father, being picked on, etc., but I think that I think there
> is a part of the modern Islam that contains a meme bent on self-immolation
> and that to some unknown extent this Major picked up on it and verbalized
> it.
>
Tom
Nov 8, 2009, 11:15:45 PM11/8/09
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By modern I guess I am refering to it in the sense of a book I read, Karen Armstrong's The Battle for God: A History of fundementalism
http://www.amazon.com/Battle-God-Karen-Armstrong/dp/0345391691
From a review:
She profiles fundamentalism, which she views as a mostly 20th-century response to the "painful transformation" of modernity.
The really sad thing is this really will make it very had for Arab Americans in general to participate or have a career in the US military. Every "enemy" ethnic group has had to deal with a backlash in the US - German Americans and esp the Japanese in WWII.
I thought it was interesting that this guy was going to a Mosque and according to the religious leader there, he couldn't find a woman who was religiously conservative enough, praying 5 times a day and so forth. I don't think that would have been a problem in a lot of places, even Britian.
Tom
http://www.amazon.com/Battle-God-Karen-Armstrong/dp/0345391691
From a review:
She profiles fundamentalism, which she views as a mostly 20th-century response to the "painful transformation" of modernity.
The really sad thing is this really will make it very had for Arab Americans in general to participate or have a career in the US military. Every "enemy" ethnic group has had to deal with a backlash in the US - German Americans and esp the Japanese in WWII.
I thought it was interesting that this guy was going to a Mosque and according to the religious leader there, he couldn't find a woman who was religiously conservative enough, praying 5 times a day and so forth. I don't think that would have been a problem in a lot of places, even Britian.
Tom
Clogtowner
Nov 9, 2009, 10:18:27 AM11/9/09
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Hi y'all - I haven't read her book, but I believe there are two forms
of Islam. Those who have read the Koran and those who haven't. Those
who have read the Koran and adhere to their faith are by definition
"fundamental" because the Koran is quite clear. There is some excuse
for those who have not read the Koran as they can be coerced by their
Imam's into believing whatever the current politically correct flavor
is.
I saw a Christian on TV who was shocked at the fact that Muslims place
their God on a higher pedestal than their country and thus should not
be allowed in the military. I believe this Christian (as all the ex
Occam's Christians) would confirm that the 10 Commandments are more
important than the Constitution. The ultimate hypocrisy. The pot is
warming up!
On Nov 8, 10:15 pm, Tom <ssoitg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> By modern I guess I am refering to it in the sense of a book I read, Karen
> Armstrong's The Battle for God: A History of fundementalismhttp://www.amazon.com/Battle-God-Karen-Armstrong/dp/0345391691
>
> From a review:
> *She profiles fundamentalism, which she views as a mostly 20th-century
> response to the "painful transformation" of modernity. *
> ...
>
> read more »
of Islam. Those who have read the Koran and those who haven't. Those
who have read the Koran and adhere to their faith are by definition
"fundamental" because the Koran is quite clear. There is some excuse
for those who have not read the Koran as they can be coerced by their
Imam's into believing whatever the current politically correct flavor
is.
I saw a Christian on TV who was shocked at the fact that Muslims place
their God on a higher pedestal than their country and thus should not
be allowed in the military. I believe this Christian (as all the ex
Occam's Christians) would confirm that the 10 Commandments are more
important than the Constitution. The ultimate hypocrisy. The pot is
warming up!
On Nov 8, 10:15 pm, Tom <ssoitg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> By modern I guess I am refering to it in the sense of a book I read, Karen
> Armstrong's The Battle for God: A History of fundementalismhttp://www.amazon.com/Battle-God-Karen-Armstrong/dp/0345391691
>
> From a review:
> response to the "painful transformation" of modernity. *
>
> The really sad thing is this really will make it very had for Arab Americans
> in general to participate or have a career in the US military. Every
> "enemy" ethnic group has had to deal with a backlash in the US - German
> Americans and esp the Japanese in WWII.
>
> I thought it was interesting that this guy was going to a Mosque and
> according to the religious leader there, he couldn't find a woman who was
> religiously conservative enough, praying 5 times a day and so forth. I
> don't think that would have been a problem in a lot of places, even Britian.
>
> Tom
>
> The really sad thing is this really will make it very had for Arab Americans
> in general to participate or have a career in the US military. Every
> "enemy" ethnic group has had to deal with a backlash in the US - German
> Americans and esp the Japanese in WWII.
>
> I thought it was interesting that this guy was going to a Mosque and
> according to the religious leader there, he couldn't find a woman who was
> religiously conservative enough, praying 5 times a day and so forth. I
> don't think that would have been a problem in a lot of places, even Britian.
>
> Tom
>
>
> read more »
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