Waht ever!
Bastian Broudre
Hi sad,
oh, great! Does someone talk zouaheli?
BTW: I'm back. Can anybody of you send me a bogen (for an update on my
last
one)?
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CUL8R,
Bastiana Jones - Probier's mal mit Gemütlichkeit...
Paul Foerster
Yahoo Bastian,
BB>oh, great! Does someone talk zouaheli?
... sometimes my impression is that I'm pretty good at it. ;^)
BB>BTW: I'm back.
... I wouldn't have noticed unless you told me. 3;)
BB>Can anybody of you send me a bogen (for an update on my last one)?
... the usual message to the bogen server should IMHO do the job.
cul8er,
oo
Paul ~( ">
Marco Hahn
Moin Bastian,
BB>oh, great! Does someone talk zouaheli?
well, not me, but in my Swedish class is a guy from Africa who once told
me that he was very delighted to meet a Finnish guy with whom he could
talk for a while on zouajeli (or was it keezouaheli?). So if you
desperately need a translation, I might just ask him. :-)
BTW, the Finnish guy was the son of an ambassador to Kenia or something
like that. Otherwise I haven't heard of Finns who learn that language.
(They learn quite a lot of languages, tho!)
Hej då, Marco
(PGP erwünscht)
Bastian Broudre
Moin Paul,
PF>... sometimes my impression is that I'm pretty good at it. ;^)
Well, why don't you try and translate it into english? :-)
PF>... I wouldn't have noticed unless you told me. 3;)
That's why I wrote it to you.
PF>... the usual message to the bogen server should IMHO do the job.
Yep.
---
CUL8R,
Bastiana Jones - And now, the current score... Deep Space 9, Babylon 5.
Bastian Broudre
Moin Marco,
MH>well, not me, but in my Swedish class is a guy from Africa who once
MH>told me that he was very delighted to meet a Finnish guy with whom he
MH>could talk for a while on zouajeli (or was it keezouaheli?).
That sounds interesting. In your *Swedich* class, is an *African*, how
tlaks *zouajeli* with a *Finnish* guy. Now *that's* international!
MH>So if you desperately need a translation, I might just ask him. :-)
Please do so. ;-)
BTW: Did you change your Maus-Account form @SL to @DU3?
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CUL8R,
Bastiana Jones - Air conditioned environment - do not open Windows!
Paul Foerster
Yahoo Bastian,
BB>Well, why don't you try and translate it into english? :-)
... that's exactly what I did. Hence, you can understand me.
BB>That's why I wrote it to you.
... I love smileys ... ;^)
BB>Bastiana Jones - And now, the current score... Deep Space 9, Babylon 5.
... Germany: Ten points! L'Allemange: Dix point.
cul8er,
oo
Paul ~( ">
Marco Hahn
Moin Bastian,
BB>Now *that's* international!
yepp, and don't forget that I'm *German*. What a nice mixture, isn't it?
BB>BTW: Did you change your Maus-Account form @SL to @DU3?
Only temporarily, for DU3 offers me the possibility to MausTausch via
Internet-email. SL, unfortunately, doesn't do this. :-(
Hej då, Marco
Bastian Broudre
Moin Paul,
PF>... that's exactly what I did. Hence, you can understand me.
I understand you? Well, that's what *you* think. ;-)
PF>... I love smileys ... ;^)
Really? =^)
PF>... Germany: Ten points! L'Allemange: Dix point.
Doitsu: ju ten.
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CUL8R,
Bastiana Jones - Include this in your CONFIG.SYS File: BUGS=OFF
Bastian Broudre
Moin Marco,
MH>yepp, and don't forget that I'm *German*. What a nice mixture, isn't it?
Of course it is.
MH>Only temporarily, for DU3 offers me the possibility to MausTausch via
MH>Internet-email. SL, unfortunately, doesn't do this. :-(
MT via Internet? How this?
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CUL8R,
Bastiana Jones - P:"Q wants to do something NICE for me."
R:"I'll alert the crew."
Daniel Gebhardt
-A48958@DU3
Hello folks, hello Marco Hahn!
MH> Only temporarily, for DU3 offers me the possibility to MausTausch via
MH> Internet-email.
Gee, I could have used that in 1995 ...
So long und weg ... DG
(PGP please)
Anja Wagner
Neulich schrieb Paul_Foerster folgenden Wortlaut zum Thema Re: Waht ever! durch meine
Leitung!
Ich wollte nur noch etwas dazu anmerken:
PF>... Germany: Ten points! L'Allemange: Dix point.
^^ ^
Kleine Anmerkung! ;-)))
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Möge meine Weisheit mit Euch sein!!! !
Salve, ATHENE!!! !
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## CrossPoint v3.11 ##
Paul Foerster
Yahoo Bastian,
BB>I understand you? Well, that's what *you* think. ;-)
... well, if you're not capable of thinking, then simply let it be. 3^)
BB>Really? =^)
... :)
BB>Doitsu: ju ten.
... Duitsland: Tien punten.
BB>Bastiana Jones - Include this in your CONFIG.SYS File: BUGS=OFF
... you didn't mention that this will mess up your whole memory
configuration,
for it requires an additional driver which consumes all conventional
memory
plus at least 98% of your XMS.
cul8er,
oo
Paul ~( ">
Marco Hahn
Moin Bastian,
BB>MT via Internet? How this?
complicated and error-prone. I'm still working on my Umlauts (ä÷ü ÄÖÜ),
which get garbled somewhere somehow. If someone needs an introduction to
it, I'd provide it, but I doubt, it would be of general interest to the
readers here.
Marco Hahn
Moin Daniel,
DG>Gee, I could have used that in 1995 ...
what was then? I could have needed it in '92. Well, to be honest, I am
glad, I didn't have that opportunity. This way, I did better things with
my vacation, then.
Rick Rhoads
'Allo Bastian,
BB>BTW: I'm back. Can anybody of you send me a bogen (for an update on my
BB>last one)?
He's back...save yourself. ;) :-)
Nice to see you here again! :)
Sea ewe...Rickmeister (Der Ami 8-)
Daniel Gebhardt
Kommentar zu A49057@DU3 in der Gruppe ANTWORTEN
Hello folks, hello Marco Hahn!
MH> what was then?
I worked in the US for three months.
MH> I could have needed it in '92. Well, to be honest, I am
MH> glad, I didn't have that opportunity. This way, I did better things
MH> with my vacation, then.
No, the bit auf "Maus" I did then was definitely necessary and nicely
compensated any effects of homesickness that might have otherwise popped
up.
Paul Foerster
Yahoo Anja,
AW>Kleine Anmerkung! ;-)))
... am I supposed to understand this strange combination of letters? ;-)
cul8er,
oo
Paul ~( ">
Paul Foerster
Yahoo Marco,
MH>complicated and error-prone. I'm still working on my Umlauts
MH>(S~n -+_), which get garbled somewhere somehow.
... I think you won't be successful with the umlauts. Many gateway
software
packages still can't transport 8 bit ascii but still strips bit 7, which
means
that only bit 0-6 get transported and hence the umlauts are lost.
MH>If someone needs an introduction to it, I'd provide it, but I doubt, it
MH>would be of general interest to the readers here.
... I'm not really in bad need for the instructions. Anyway, I'd like to
know
how it works.
cul8er,
oo
Paul ~( ">
Marco Hahn
Moin Paul,
PF>... I think you won't be successful with the umlauts.
yeah, meanwhile I got the same impression. However, I do not transport any set
seventh bit from Finland to Duisburg. All my infiles are PGP encoded and I
guess somewhere in this PGP (mess ... ;-)) my umlauts get garbled.
PF>Anyway, I'd like to know how it works.
Once I figured out the problem with the umlauts. I hate half instructions. ;-)
Hej d†, Marco
(PGP erwünscht)
Marco Hahn
Moin Daniel,
DG>I worked in the US for three months.
really? When, where, what? :-)
DG>No, the bit auf "Maus" I did then was definitely necessary and nicely
compensated any effects of homesickness that might have otherwise popped up.
I never felt homesick. In fact, I can hardly remember any time when I felt
homesick. As long as I have things to discover, my mind is hopelessly
distracted from such ideas. :-)
Hej d†, Marco
Anja Wagner
Neulich schrieb Paul_Foerster folgenden Wortlaut zum Thema Re: Waht ever! durch meine
Leitung!
Ich wollte nur noch etwas dazu anmerken:
AW>>Kleine Anmerkung! ;-)))
PF>... am I supposed to understand this strange combination of letters? ;-)
Of course! ;-))
Bastian Broudre
Moin Rick,
RR>He's back...save yourself. ;) :-)
[Child-look ON]
Why?
[Child-look OFF]
;-)))
RR>Nice to see you here again! :)
Thank's. It's nice to be back.
---
CUL8R,
Bastiana Jones - Kosh of Borg:
*You're not ready, to be assimilated.*
Bastian Broudre
Moin Marco,
MH>complicated and error-prone. I'm still working on my Umlauts
MH>(ä÷ü -Ö_), which get garbled somewhere somehow. If someone needs an
MH>introduction to it, I'd provide it, but I doubt, it would be of
MH>general interest to the readers here.
Hm. Sounds interesting. But I don't think, that I'll do that.
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CUL8R,
Bastiana Jones - "Kirk to Enterprise" - "Hello, this is the Enterprise
answering machine"
Bastian Broudre
Moin Paul,
PF>... well, if you're not capable of thinking, then simply let it be. 3^)
...an answer, let beeeeeeeeee!
PF>... Duitsland: Tien punten.
Deutschland: Zehn Punkte.
PF>... you didn't mention that this will mess up your whole memory
PF>configuration, for it requires an additional driver which consumes all
PF>conventional memory plus at least 98% of your XMS.
31 MB?
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CUL8R,
Bastiana Jones - WEDDING: A funeral where you smell your own flowers.
Paul Foerster
Yahoo Marco,
MH>All my infiles are PGP encoded and I guess somewhere in this PGP (mess
...
MH>;-)) my umlauts get garbled.
... then it's a problem with that PGP thingie and you won't be able to
change
anything about that unless you build your own version of PGP. But AFAIK
PGP
should be able to handle binary files and transport 8-bit char.
MH>Once I figured out the problem with the umlauts. I hate half
MH>instructions. ;-)
... please send them anyway. I'll take care of the umlauts once I figure
out
how this thing works anyway.
Btw., you could add a filter which would change umlauts to ae, oe, ue and
ss
accordingly. That'd take the hassle with the keyboard from you and
transport
only 7-bit compliant letters. ;)
cul8er,
oo
Paul ~( ">
Paul Foerster
Yahoo Anja,
AW>Neulich schrieb Paul_Foerster folgenden Wortlaut zum Thema Re: Waht
AW>ever! durch meine Leitung! Ich wollte nur noch etwas dazu anmerken:
AW>Möge meine Weisheit mit Euch sein!!! !
AW>Of course! ;-))
... then remove the German parts of your postings. This group's called
talk.*ENGLISH*.
cul8er,
oo
Paul ~( ">
Paul Foerster
Yahoo Bastian,
BB>31 MB?
... you have that little memory? ;^)
BB>WEDDING: A funeral where you smell your own flowers.
... people won't lie as much as they do on a relative's funeral.
cul8er,
oo
Paul ~( ">
Marco Hahn
Moin Paul,
PF>... then it's a problem with that PGP thingie
I am not so sure. There might also be a problem with some other part. The
operator of my box conceded that he suspects that certain parts of the software
are still wrong. On the other hand, he said he did something about my special
problem lately. So it might all be OK by now. Gotta wait and see. :-)
PF>AFAIK PGP should be able to handle binary files and transport 8-bit char.
It should. I have had it do some umlaut conversions already.
PF>Btw., you could add a filter which would change umlauts to ae, oe, ue and ss
PF>accordingly.
Yes, but the filter entry fields of my frontend are already pretty much filled
up. I could circumvent it, but then I'd have to understand very long batch
files. (Which I usually can't. ;-)) Maybe one of the currently installed
filters could do it, too. Dunno. It's a big hassle already, and I don't want to
change too much in it. Mostly it works and, you know: never change a running
system. ;-)
PF>That'd take the hassle with the keyboard
Pah, I already have to be used to three different keyboards: US, SV/FI, GR,
which is hard enough. I do regularly mistype.
OK, about a documentation:
Prepare to be a beta tester! You have to contact a operator of a Maus/Quark,
which has direct Internet access (e. g. M2 or DU3). I chose DU3, but I am sure
I would have had the same service in M2.
Then you need to tell him the exact address from which you will be sending
infiles and to which you want your outfiles mailed. Furthermore, you need an
own PGP key and have to give your sysop it over a secure channel. You get the
key that box uses to encrypt the outfiles.
Your infiles have to be signed with your key and have to be mailed from the
noted account, thus the box knows it's really your infile. At DU3, you have a
special email address to which to send your infile. (I guess, the box uses this
information to recognize the user name.)
Regularly, you get an outfile. in the case of DU3, this is twice a day. If you
didn't send a new infile, a default infile is used. This way, it takes quite
some time until you get a confirmation that the messages in the infile were
accepted. Fortunately, there's a pretty good dupe check, so it doesn't matter,
if the messages appear in several infiles.
Some implementation details:
First, my system is absolutely non-standard. (Did you expect anything else?)
I was user in SL, and cannot reach it currently. I view it as my main account,
tho. So I decided to feed the Internet email I receive at my university account
into it instead. I wrote special conversion programs that create infiles from
mail files and vice versa.
Then I have the DU3 account for my Maus mail.
Furthermore, most of the filters I use are OS/2 versions and I use a special
DOS program to call them from my Minnie environment. If there is a "os2 -o " in
front of a command, simply forget about it and you have a pure DOS equivalent.
Thus, these are my filter configs:
SL, create infile (for university ...)
>copy \minnie\pgp\*.850 \minnie\pgp\*.txt
Configure PGP to do no Umlaut conversions.
>del E:\minnie\inout\sl\out*.*
Clean up. Maybe not necessary ...
>os2 -o E:\minnie\int2maus E:\minnie\int2maus.ids E:\minnie\inout\sl\infile.unp
Call to my favorite software. :-)
>E:\minnie\pfilter\pfilter /IE:\minnie\inout\sl\INFILE.UNP
PGP-encrypt certain messages in the infile.
>call os2 -o \marco.hahn\c++\bastelkiste\infile2text
>copy sl\unsent.txt a:
Convert infile to special format for university upload and copy to a floppy.
SL, read "outfile" from university:
>copy a:unread \minnie\inout\sl\ungelesen
>\marco.hahn\c++\bastelkiste\mail2outfile
Copy raw data from floppy, convert it to outfile format.
>copy \minnie\pgp\*.850 \minnie\pgp\*.txt
No umlaut conversions.
>E:\minnie\pfilter\pfilter /OE:\minnie\inout\sl\OUTFILE.TXT /K
PGP-decrypt certain messages.
>os2 -o E:\minnie\int2maus E:\minnie\int2maus.ids
E:\minnie\inout\sl\outfile.txt
Another well loved call. (Tho this is pretty superfluous, since mail2outfile
does most of its job already.)
DU3, read outfile:
>copy \minnie\pgp\*.437 \minnie\pgp\*.txt
>pgp \minnie\inout\du3\outfile.pgp
Set PGP to use IBM PC conversion. Decrypt my outfile.
>copy \minnie\pgp\*.850 \minnie\pgp\*.txt
>E:\minnie\pfilter\pfilter /OE:\minnie\inout\du3\OUTFILE /K
Set no conversion for PGP, decrypt messages in outfile, if present.
>rename \minnie\inout\du3\outfile outfile.rti
To make Minnie find the outfile.
DU3, create infile:
>copy \minnie\inout\du3\infile.unp \minnie\inout\du3\infile.txt
"Rename" infile.
>copy \minnie\pgp\*.437 \minnie\pgp\*.txt
>pgp -sea \minnie\inout\du3\infile.txt qu...@du3.ohse.de
Set PGP conversion to IBM PC, encrypt infile.
Anja Wagner
AW>>Of course! ;-))
PF>... then remove the German parts of your postings. This group's called
PF>talk.*ENGLISH*.
There is _no_ German part! What should I remove? ;-)))
Paul Foerster
Yahoo Anja,
AW>There is _no_ German part! What should I remove? ;-)))
... but there *was* a German part ... ;-)
cul8er,
oo
Paul ~( ">
Paul Foerster
Yahoo Marco,
MH>So it might all be OK by now. Gotta wait and see. :-)
... well, it's ok now, as the PM test has proven so far. But what was the
reason?
MH>It should. I have had it do some umlaut conversions already.
... which worked, I suppose ...
MH>but then I'd have to understand very long batch files.
... lemme guess: You use W95. Nobody understand W95, the world's longest
batch file. ;^)
MH>Pah, I already have to be used to three different keyboards: US, SV/FI,
MH>GR, which is hard enough. I do regularly mistype.
... I never get used to switching between a gr and a us keyboard. We use
the latter partly at work. Switching from one machine to another even at
work means switching to another keyboard. Not to mention the fr editions
(Sun), the HP proprietary edition, the ... :-(
MH>OK, about a documentation:
... thanx for the effort. Sounds quite adventurous what I've read so far.
MH>Prepare to be a beta tester!
... I won't. As I wrote already I am interested in how it works, but do
not do it. Maybe in the future, but this can be a few years from now, if
the MausNet still exists then, which I hope.
MH>You have to contact a operator of a Maus/Quark, which has direct
MH>Internet access (e. g. M2 or DU3).
... what does that mean? Does that particular Maus have to have a dial-in
account, so that the ISP may call it and initiate a transfer or does it
mean a Maus running normal gateway software?
MH>Then you need to tell him the exact address from which you will be
MH>sending infiles and to which you want your outfiles mailed.
MH>Furthermore, you need an own PGP key and have to give your sysop it
MH>over a secure channel.
... but in theory, the actual tausch would be possiblöe without running
the Infile and Outfile thru PGP?
MH>First, my system is absolutely non-standard. (Did you expect anything
MH>else?)
... yes, I expecvted the 100% compatible standard version and I'm pretty
much disappointed you configure everything in such a non-standard way. ;-)
MH>I wrote special conversion programs that create infiles from mail files
MH>and vice versa.
... which again are non-standard ...
(deltia)
... quite interesting, the whole thing, tho I thought it would be easier.
However, I saved this mail because it probably may be of some value in a
few years, if, as I said, the MausNet still exists.
cul8er,
oo
Paul ~( ">
Bastian Broudre
Moin Paul,
PF>... you have that little memory? ;^)
Yep, only 32 MB. It's enough for me. At the moment.
---
CUL8R,
Bastiana Jones - Der Plagiator
Anja Wagner
AW>>There is _no_ German part! What should I remove? ;-)))
PF>... but there *was* a German part ... ;-)
Doesn't matter, does it? ;-)))
Rick Rhoads
'Allo Bastian,
BB>[Child-look ON]
I'll never believe this one. ;)
BB>Why?
BB>;-)))
We know you and we know your reputation runs ahead of you....just like mine...
;-)
BB>Thank's. It's nice to be back.
I'll say...did the Bundeswehr change you a lot?
BB>Bastiana Jones - Kosh of Borg:
BB> *You're not ready, to be assimilated.*
:-) I love Bab5...and ST.
Paul Foerster
Yahoo Bastian,
BB>Yep, only 32 MB. It's enough for me. At the moment.
... then upgrade your memory so that you can use the BUGS=OFF switch.
cul8er,
oo
Paul ~( ">
Paul Foerster
Yahoo Anja,
AW>Doesn't matter, does it? ;-)))
... it *did*. ;)
cul8er,
oo
Paul ~( ">
Bastian Broudre
Moin Rick,
RR>I'll never believe this one. ;)
[VERY child-look ON]
Why not?
[VERY child-look OFF]
RR>We know you and we know your reputation runs ahead of you....just like
RR>mine... ;-)
Do I really have a bad reputation? I thought that would have been the
Bastian Broudre @ BN...
RR>I'll say...did the Bundeswehr change you a lot?
Yep! I'm better than ever!
RR>:-) I love Bab5...and ST.
Well, then I have the right footer for you:
---
CUL8R,
Bastiana Jones - And now, the current score... Deep Space 9, Babylon 5.
Marco Hahn
Kommentar zu A47315@AC2 in der Gruppe talk.english
Moin Paul,
PF>... well, it's ok now, as the PM test has proven so far. But what was the
reason?
a bug in the Quark software, I guess. At least the programmer said he worked a
little bit on it.
PF>... lemme guess: You use W95. Nobody understand W95, the world's longest
batch file. ;^)
Nope, I use the longest REXX file: OS/2.
PF>... I never get used to switching between a gr and a us keyboard. We use the
latter partly at work. Switching from one machine to another even at work means
switching to another keyboard. Not to mention the fr editions (Sun), the HP
proprietary edition, the ... :-(
What I really hated most, were the keyboards of the Power Macs in Turku. They
had finger-marks on the D and K keys, not the F and J keys. A real pain to use
those, if you use the ten-finger system.
PF>... what does that mean? Does that particular Maus have to have a dial-in
account, so that the ISP may call it and initiate a transfer or does it mean a
Maus running normal gateway software?
The latter is enough. (In fact, in DU3 the first works, too, but I didn't want
to pay the extra charge for that. Having had rather long turnaround times in
Turku, those few hours didn't matter to me anyway.)
PF>... but in theory, the actual tausch would be possiblöe without running the
Infile and Outfile thru PGP?
Yes, but do you want to have fake emails sent from your account? Or everybody
on the Internet reading your email or sharing access to exclusive groups? Me
not.
PF>... quite interesting, the whole thing, tho I thought it would be easier.
I think a few steps can be done easier, but I had some special wishes I wanted
implemented. That required work.
Rick Rhoads
'Allo Bastian,
BB>[VERY child-look ON]
Almost convincing...there's that special something missing... Dunno what? ;)
BB>Do I really have a bad reputation?
I didn't say a *bad* reputation, I only said your reputation, nothing more. ;)
BB>I thought that would have been the Bastian Broudre @ BN...
Nonono, that was your evil twin, right? ;-)
BB>Yep! I'm better than ever!
In what sense?
RR>:-) I love Bab5...and ST.
BB>Well, then I have the right footer for you:
Better would be the series in English. You think I can find it, only in german.
:-( You got any ideas?
BB>Bastiana Jones - And now, the current score... Deep Space 9, Babylon 5.
;-) I've seen that one before....Or Kosh of Borg. ;))))
Paul Foerster
Yahoo Marco,
MH>At least the programmer said he worked a little bit on it.
... sounds like a new version is due. <dg>
MH>Nope, I use the longest REXX file: OS/2.
... as long as you have a damn fast machine to interpret the script. ;)
MH>What I really hated most, were the keyboards of the Power Macs in
MH>Turku.
... I never used any Mac. I never understood why computers have to have
such funny keys like that with the cloverleaf or such a thing. And the
M$NK isn't any better. I always hit the menu-key when I want to press
alt-gr. :( I love my good ol' Cherry G80-3000. It's IMHO the best keyboard
you can get. :)))
MH>They had finger-marks on the D and K keys, not the F and J keys. A real
MH>pain to use those, if you use the ten-finger system.
... I don't use all 10 fingers when typing. I type for some 18 years now
and never did any course in typing. It won't do any good any more. Another
reason why it would be pretty useless to 'learn' typing in such a way is
that a programmer does a totally different typing than does the writer.
Btw., what finger-marks do you mean? Do you mean these funny pins on some
keys? Are they for keeping track of where you put your fingers when you
write blindly?
MH>but I didn't want to pay the extra charge for that.
... >;-)
MH>Having had rather long turnaround times in Turku, those few hours
MH>didn't matter to me anyway.)
... you could use the spare time to go sight-seeing?! ;-)
MH>Yes, but do you want to have fake emails sent from your account? Or
MH>everybody on the Internet reading your email or sharing access to
MH>exclusive groups? Me not.
... I think, such arguments are somewhat of an overreaction. Even if there
is the intention to spy, and it has to be the intention to explicitly spy
*YOU*, not everybody on the internet would read what you have written or
are intended to read exclusively. It is technically possible to track the
transfer by accessing each machine it runs over. But that would have to be
done by sick-minded admins who run these machines. Every access from
outside should be impossible anyway.
Don't get me wrong. I do not intend to argue against PGP. I intend to
argue against that sort of argumentation for it. PGP sure is a good thing,
but the arguments you listed sound rather paranoid. ;)
MH>That required work.
... which had to be done partly by your sysop. ;)
cul8er,
oo
Paul ~( ">
Martin Stent
Hi Marco,
MH> What I really hated most, were the keyboards of the Power Macs in Turku.
They had finger-marks on the D and K keys, not the F and J keys. A real pain to
use those, if you use the ten-finger system.
Well my german Mac has finger-marks on the D amd K keys, and my German PC
has them on the F and J keys, and my English laptop has them also on F and J.
So it looks like a Mac thing rather than a Finnish thing.
I'll try to remember to take a look at some sparcstations and Irix workstations
and maybe some Sun 3s and whatever else I can find, maybe it's an OS thing.
Regards, Martin.
Marco Hahn
Moin Martin,
MS>So it looks like a Mac thing rather than a Finnish thing.
I'd rather come to the conclusion that it is a Mac-typical feature. And a very
bad one, too. The Finnish/Swedish PCs and Suns didn't have such marks
(otherwise it might have been a little bit easier to get used to it).
Marco Hahn
Moin Paul,
MH>At least the programmer said he worked a little bit on it.
PF>... sounds like a new version is due. <dg>
well, he just did it on the fly. That's one of the advantages, if you have the
full sources available. ;-)
MH>Nope, I use the longest REXX file: OS/2.
PF>... as long as you have a damn fast machine to interpret the script. ;)
You just need quite a lot of RAM for the interpreter. OS/2 never really
required FAST machines, just memory. A different thing is the VoiceType system,
that requires a fast math coprocessor.
PF>a programmer does a totally different typing than does the writer.
Yeah, but from time to time, an added comment line is needed and this can be
done much faster using standard typing. Of course, real programmers ... ,-)
PF>Btw., what finger-marks do you mean? Do you mean these funny pins on some
keys? Are they for keeping track of where you put your fingers when you write
blindly?
Right, that's what they are for. I didn't really appreciate them until I had
these big troubles with the Macs.
PF>PGP sure is a good thing, but the arguments you listed sound rather
paranoid. ;)
Well, I wanted to read some closed groups, so I think that in my case this was
necessary. An easier scheme would have been enough, but PGP is so easily
available, that it would be too much work to use other programs.
Martin Stent
HI Marco,
MS>So it looks like a Mac thing rather than a Finnish thing.
MH>
MH> I'd rather come to the conclusion that it is a Mac-typical feature. And a
very bad one, too. The Finnish/Swedish PCs and Suns didn't have such marks
(otherwise it might have been a little bit easier to get used to it).
I have since checked out as many keyboards as I can find, including
some old typewriters, and they either have no marks at all, or the F J
marks. It's beginning to look like Apple is out on a limb here.
I'll try and find time to ask the apple gurus.
Meanwhile, still looking at keyboards.
Regards, Martin.
Paul Foerster
Yahoo Marco,
MH>well, he just did it on the fly. That's one of the advantages, if you
MH>have the full sources available. ;-)
... it also requires good connections to your sysop. ;)
MH>A different thing is the VoiceType system, that requires a fast math
MH>coprocessor.
... then that voice thingy is nothing for AMD, Cx & IBM. ;)
MH>Of course, real programmers ... ,-)
... right! ;)
MH>Right, that's what they are for. I didn't really appreciate them until
MH>I had these big troubles with the Macs.
... strange enough, my Cherry G80-3000 has it only on the numpad-5 key.
Well, I don't need them, because I rarely look to the screen when typing
but rather merely look to the keyboard. And I'm damn fast with it. :)
MH>that it would be too much work to use other programs.
... well, you must admit that PGP is anything else but easy to use. It is
really a secure way to transfer information but easy to use? Well, the
complexity of the topic forbids ease of use.
cul8er,
oo
Paul ~( ">
Marco Hahn
Moin Paul,
PF>... then that voice thingy is nothing for AMD, Cx & IBM. ;)
yeah, indeed that's *the* only reason why I got an int*l processor again.
PF>... strange enough, my Cherry G80-3000 has it only on the numpad-5 key.
Sometimes, the keys itself have a slightly different shape, like a more curved
top, or things like that.
MH>that it would be too much work to use other programs.
PF>
PF>... well, you must admit that PGP is anything else but easy to use.
Well, you can write a real short doc file on how to use it. Of course, many
aspects would remain unknown to the user this way. If you really want to
understand it and have a secure installation, I guess a full afternoon is
necessary to install it.
What I referred to was actually the idea, that once you know PGP, it is easier
to use it for modified purposes than getting to know another software. ;-)
Paul Foerster
Yahoo Marco,
MH>yeah, indeed that's *the* only reason why I got an int*l processor
MH>again.
... ;-)
MH>Sometimes, the keys itself have a slightly different shape, like a more
MH>curved top, or things like that.
... nope. They're all the same, apart from of course the special keys,
shift(-lock), tab, cr, ctrl, alt, alt-gr and (back-)space. But these are
not the keys people normally use for orientation purposes.
MH>Well, you can write a real short doc file on how to use it.
... but such a thing does AFAIK not exists. It would have been of great
use for me.
MH>I guess a full afternoon is necessary to install it.
... so much about ease-of-use. ;-)
MH>What I referred to was actually the idea, that once you know PGP, it is
MH>easier to use it for modified purposes than getting to know another
MH>software. ;-)
... this indeed is true.
cul8er,
oo
Paul ~( ">
Bastian Broudre
Moin Rick,
RR>Almost convincing...there's that special something missing... Dunno
RR>what? ;)
Nope.
RR>I didn't say a *bad* reputation, I only said your reputation, nothing
RR>more. ;)
And what kind of reputation do you mean???
RR>Nonono, that was your evil twin, right? ;-)
No. That was my evil first life.
RR>Better would be the series in English.
That's out of any discussion.
RR>:-( You got any ideas?
No.
RR>;-) I've seen that one before....Or Kosh of Borg. ;))))
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CUL8R,
Bastiana Jones - Kosh of Borg:
Rick Rhoads
'Allo Bastian,
BB>Nope.
Find it...your holey mission. ;)
BB>And what kind of reputation do you mean???
How do you want it to be meant? >;)
BB>No. That was my evil first life.
Ah, you died but got better? :)
BB>That's out of any discussion.
I hope I can get my fingers on it. I wonder what the main distributers address
would be. I could order them finally....
RR>:-( You got any ideas?
BB>No.
Oh well, I tried. If you find out, let me know, okay? And vice versa of course.
BB>Bastiana Jones - Kosh of Borg:
BB> *You're not ready, to be assimilated.*
That's the ticket. :)))
Bastian Broudre
Moin Rick,
RR>Find it...your holey mission. ;)
And though he was gone. He wanted to find his holy mission in this mostly
unholy world! ;-)
RR>How do you want it to be meant? >;)
Ehm, donnow!
RR>Ah, you died but got better? :)
Of course. I am immortal!
RR>I hope I can get my fingers on it.
Why shouldn't you?
(Did you know, that you have the same initials as Round Robin?)
RR>I wonder what the main distributers address would be. I could order them
RR>finally....
Aha! (Is 'aha' german?)
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CUL8R,
Bastiana Jones - Und eine Stimme sagte: "Lächle und sei froh. Es könnte
schlimmer kommen."
Und ich lächelte und war froh, und es kam schlimmer!
Paul Foerster
Yahoo Bastian,
BB>(Is 'aha' german?)
... no.
BB>Und eine Stimme sagte: "Lächle und sei froh. Es könnte schlimmer
BB>kommen." Und ich lächelte und war froh, und es kam schlimmer!
... but this obviously is. :-/
cul8er,
oo
Paul ~( ">