The passages below are from an old (mid 1970s) document. Some list members will recognize the author. If you don't and are interested in locating the source, please e-mail me off-list. (Between * designates Italics from the author. Between _ designates my emphasis. Unbracketed ellipsis ... indicating quote discontinuity are the author's while bracketed ones [...] are mine.)
IMHO, this is one of the most thought-provoking works in the classical Marxist tradition ever written. In the best intellectual tradition of Marx and Engels, the author grappled deeply and seriously with the existing conditions and ideologies, acknowledging their rationales, following their logic to the point where they forced him to a deeper and broader understanding of the issues. Like Marx's best works, it shows readers how a an engaged mind, committed to the struggle, sorts things out.
I read it fresh in 1979, almost as soon as its Spanish version became available in Mexico. The first few chapters were divulged first in a short-lived Marxist journal named Teoría y Política published by a group of South American exiles. The entire work followed under Alfaguara. I re-read it a few times as an undergrad student in Cuba and discussed it at length with friends from -- I believe -- at least four continents, although I can now see how one-sided my concerns were. While some friends got really agitated about some of the -- IMO rather subsidiary -- propositions advanced in the work, some rendered irrelevant by subsequent developments (the bulk of the work is devoted to a critique of the Soviet socialist formation), the passages below taken on their own have maintained a large measure of relevance (not necessarily validity) all along.
The tension at the center of the quoted section below has been splitting Marxists since Marx & Engels's times (e.g. the Irish and Slavic question). On a formal level, the issue reappeared in the late 19th century/early 20th century chasm between the early social-democrats (Lenin, Plekhanov, etc.) and the narodniki. (As shown below, on this matter, Lenin himself experienced a 180 degree turn over his political life. Just keep in mind the early concerns Lenin had about proving the political relevance of the social democracy in Russia in the light of Russia's backwardness. The young Lenin wasn't emphasizing the lack of capitalist development in Russia, but precisely the opposite. Naturally, with his responsibilities as head of the Soviet state, in the middle of a civil war, after a devastating world war, things looked quite differently.) At a deeper level, though, the controversy had intrinsic intellectual roots in Russian history (and other "backward" places), dating back to the conflict between the liberal modernizers and the ancestors of the populists. In their historical essays, E.H. Carr and Isaac Deutscher discussed the matter in some detail. Rosa Luxemburg clashed with the Polish, Galician, and Baltic nationalists on this very issue. Etc.
My decision to post these passages in extenso is, of course, prompted by the current debate re. the Mousavi-Ahmedinajad conflict.
IMO, the ideological cloak of the anti-imperialist struggle is secondary. The key thing is the social character of the movement and its *objective logic* (if I'm allowed to use that old Hegelian formula). It is of course twisted, ironic and shameful, historically speaking, that the global discredit of Marxism and -- more tragically and decisively -- the mechanical suppression of Marxists and socialists in central Asia and the Middle East (including here repression conducted by the very forces that now appear to lead the anti-imperialist resistance, blemishes and all) have limited its role in the local anti-imperialist struggles, which have turned instead to the ideological straight-jacketed form of political Islam.
However, secondary doesn't mean unimportant. If the strictures of the religious integument have dulled beyond a point the anti-imperialism it portends, all bets are off. In that case, the triumph of the popular movement excited by Mir Hossein Mousavi or the aftermath may turn out to be the necessary precondition for a better political framework for the anti-imperialist struggle in Iran. I'd think that the risk has diminished with time, but history shows (including the history of Iran!) that even a large nation has difficulty escaping subordination to imperialism. It's not clear to me from my distance and ignorance whether this is already the case in Iran. It does disturb me to see the excited support that the Mousavi movement has elicited among the always suspect Western establishment. But that's not decisive.
I have no answer to the vexing question. The matter is complex. No kidding. The left in, say, the West doesn't need to settle it as a precondition to unite in the local struggles ahead. Nothing human should be alien to us, but too much rancor in disputes that do not strictly pertain to our present and immediate circumstance strike me as a cop out. I'm hoping the quotes below highlight the inherent difficulty of the questions involved and humble us all a little. My mind on this has shifted and will continue to shift. Back and forth. And shifts on this tend to be wide pendulum swings, since many important conclusions follow from each alternative stance. But, "Only dead minds don't oscillate," wrote Isaac Deutscher.
For example, during the 1990s, I took some distance from the reasoning below. Stuff related to my own personal trajectory, in Mexico in the early 1990s (after the Soviet Union failed), and then in the U.S. under Clinton. At the time, I remember discounting heavily Chomsky's categorical views on the militaristic slant of U.S. capital with regards to foreign and domestic policy. (In fairness, I'm referring to things Chomsky wrote prompted by the late 1980s Persian Gulf war, which I read with the benefit of the mid 1990s hindsight.)
Assuming the inherently antagonistic form in which capitalism dissolves old conditions and introduces new ones, I thought (and still think) that the "neoliberal" globalization offered Mexico and other nations in Latin America a mixed bag that included opportunities for reducing international inequality. It wasn't automatic, but it was possible. In my mind, it was something like a recurrence of the 1850s-1910s expansion of Western capitalism. In Mexico, in the early 1990s, the whole thing appeared as a *political* swing so strong that -- in my thinking -- it had exhaust or weaken itself considerably, as a result of its own inherent contradictions, before the left could have a *political* clear shot. That, of course, didn't imply abandoning all struggles, particular the economic, day-to-day fork-and-knife fights for marginal improvements in the workers' working and living conditions, but the *political* scope of the struggle had to be downgraded or risk a worse backlash. (Clearly, Chavez took the exact opposite approach. He went for the political jugular in 1992. At the time and for a good while, his Quixotic gesture looked foolish to me. But, as history twists and turns, it turned out to be a learning experience for him and Venezuela, without which he and his country wouldn't be were they are now.)
Looking at things from the perspective of the mid 1990s, it seemed to me that the vitality shown by the U.S. non-military economy and the whole thrust of the "neoliberal" globalization agenda (as opposed to the "neoconservatism" of the early 2000s) weren't entirely consistent with the view of a predominantly militaristic, parasytic U.S. (and, if I remember well Chomsky's remarks, British) economy. I remember thinking (and I believe I may have posted something about it on one of the usual lists) that we faced a sort of historical bifurcation, where the world train was being switched from the Lenin Track (1914-1989) back to the Marx Track (1850s-1914s).
It was either my feverish imagination or the track switch prove not to be very robust since, with the selection of W and the U.S. reaction to 9/11, the train tripped back to the old Lenin Track. Anyway, with time, my views have become more mixed, which doesn't make them very amenable to a small set of categorical statements.
Still, I can try to schematize my mental framework in a couple of sweeping statements: At the present time, the biggest danger ahead for humans doesn't arise from environmental decay or turbulent financial markets or even nuclear proliferation per se. These are, no doubt, serious dangers. But, ultimately, the biggest source of trouble lies in the abismal, persistent levels of *inequality*, especially (though not exclusively) international inequality. Imperialism, which continues to provide the current historical form of global capitalism, is an epi-phenomenon of international inequality. If the available data are to be trusted, judged according to this rough criteria, the main forces of progress in the last four or five decades have been Southeast Asia, China, India, and more recently Russia and some parts of Latin America. And the main forces of the historical reaction have remained virtually the same since colonial times: Western Europe and its offshots in other continents.
Environmental decay and nuclear weapons are a problem mainly because they are embedded in a context of deeply rooted international inequality, which makes them explosive. Of course things are not so simple, but if I were to put my thought in a simple formula, I'd say that anything that contributes to reducing international inequality is very good and anything that helps increase international inequality is very bad. To which I add the Lincoln Question for reasons that will become obvious below: Whatever historical development is out there, Is it *of, by, and for* the working people? If the answer is no, then it winds up contributing to increasing inequality. And vice versa. (For limitations to
With the fall of the SU and Yugoslavian socialism, the statements
below seem less valid.
CB
^^^
_The revolutions in Russia and China, in the Balkans and
in Cuba, have probably contributed not less but rather more to the
overall progress than the proletarian revolutions hoped for in the
West could have done_.
Marxism, in other words, set out on a different journey, via Russia to
Asia, Africa and Latin America, a route associated with the names of
Lenin, Mao Tse-Tung, Nkrumah and Castro. _It represents today
something incomparably greater and more diverse than in the era of
Marx_, and also in regard to its significance for Europe.
On Jun 23, 3:45 pm, Julio Huato <juliohu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The passages below are from an old (mid 1970s) document. Some list
> members will recognize the author. If you don't and are interested in
> locating the source, please e-mail me off-list. (Between * designates
> Italics from the author. Between _ designates my emphasis.
> Unbracketed ellipsis ... indicating quote discontinuity are the
> author's while bracketed ones [...] are mine.)
> IMHO, this is one of the most thought-provoking works in the classical
> Marxist tradition ever written. In the best intellectual tradition of
> Marx and Engels, the author grappled deeply and seriously with the
> existing conditions and ideologies, acknowledging their rationales,
> following their logic to the point where they forced him to a deeper
> and broader understanding of the issues. Like Marx's best works, it
> shows readers how a an engaged mind, committed to the struggle, sorts
> things out.
> I read it fresh in 1979, almost as soon as its Spanish version became
> available in Mexico. The first few chapters were divulged first in a
> short-lived Marxist journal named Teoría y Política published by a
> group of South American exiles. The entire work followed under
> Alfaguara. I re-read it a few times as an undergrad student in Cuba
> and discussed it at length with friends from -- I believe -- at least
> four continents, although I can now see how one-sided my concerns
> were. While some friends got really agitated about some of the -- IMO
> rather subsidiary -- propositions advanced in the work, some rendered
> irrelevant by subsequent developments (the bulk of the work is devoted
> to a critique of the Soviet socialist formation), the passages below
> taken on their own have maintained a large measure of relevance (not
> necessarily validity) all along.
> The tension at the center of the quoted section below has been
> splitting Marxists since Marx & Engels's times (e.g. the Irish and
> Slavic question). On a formal level, the issue reappeared in the late
> 19th century/early 20th century chasm between the early
> social-democrats (Lenin, Plekhanov, etc.) and the narodniki. (As
> shown below, on this matter, Lenin himself experienced a 180 degree
> turn over his political life. Just keep in mind the early concerns
> Lenin had about proving the political relevance of the social
> democracy in Russia in the light of Russia's backwardness. The young
> Lenin wasn't emphasizing the lack of capitalist development in Russia,
> but precisely the opposite. Naturally, with his responsibilities as
> head of the Soviet state, in the middle of a civil war, after a
> devastating world war, things looked quite differently.) At a deeper
> level, though, the controversy had intrinsic intellectual roots in
> Russian history (and other "backward" places), dating back to the
> conflict between the liberal modernizers and the ancestors of the
> populists. In their historical essays, E.H. Carr and Isaac Deutscher
> discussed the matter in some detail. Rosa Luxemburg clashed with the
> Polish, Galician, and Baltic nationalists on this very issue. Etc.
> My decision to post these passages in extenso is, of course, prompted
> by the current debate re. the Mousavi-Ahmedinajad conflict.
> IMO, the ideological cloak of the anti-imperialist struggle is
> secondary. The key thing is the social character of the movement and
> its *objective logic* (if I'm allowed to use that old Hegelian
> formula). It is of course twisted, ironic and shameful, historically
> speaking, that the global discredit of Marxism and -- more tragically
> and decisively -- the mechanical suppression of Marxists and
> socialists in central Asia and the Middle East (including here
> repression conducted by the very forces that now appear to lead the
> anti-imperialist resistance, blemishes and all) have limited its role
> in the local anti-imperialist struggles, which have turned instead to
> the ideological straight-jacketed form of political Islam.
> However, secondary doesn't mean unimportant. If the strictures of the
> religious integument have dulled beyond a point the anti-imperialism
> it portends, all bets are off. In that case, the triumph of the
> popular movement excited by Mir Hossein Mousavi or the aftermath may
> turn out to be the necessary precondition for a better political
> framework for the anti-imperialist struggle in Iran. I'd think that
> the risk has diminished with time, but history shows (including the
> history of Iran!) that even a large nation has difficulty escaping
> subordination to imperialism. It's not clear to me from my distance
> and ignorance whether this is already the case in Iran. It does
> disturb me to see the excited support that the Mousavi movement has
> elicited among the always suspect Western establishment. But that's
> not decisive.
> I have no answer to the vexing question. The matter is complex. No
> kidding. The left in, say, the West doesn't need to settle it as a
> precondition to unite in the local struggles ahead. Nothing human
> should be alien to us, but too much rancor in disputes that do not
> strictly pertain to our present and immediate circumstance strike me
> as a cop out. I'm hoping the quotes below highlight the inherent
> difficulty of the questions involved and humble us all a little. My
> mind on this has shifted and will continue to shift. Back and forth.
> And shifts on this tend to be wide pendulum swings, since many
> important conclusions follow from each alternative stance. But, "Only
> dead minds don't oscillate," wrote Isaac Deutscher.
> For example, during the 1990s, I took some distance from the reasoning
> below. Stuff related to my own personal trajectory, in Mexico in the
> early 1990s (after the Soviet Union failed), and then in the U.S.
> under Clinton. At the time, I remember discounting heavily Chomsky's
> categorical views on the militaristic slant of U.S. capital with
> regards to foreign and domestic policy. (In fairness, I'm referring
> to things Chomsky wrote prompted by the late 1980s Persian Gulf war,
> which I read with the benefit of the mid 1990s hindsight.)
> Assuming the inherently antagonistic form in which capitalism
> dissolves old conditions and introduces new ones, I thought (and still
> think) that the "neoliberal" globalization offered Mexico and other
> nations in Latin America a mixed bag that included opportunities for
> reducing international inequality. It wasn't automatic, but it was
> possible. In my mind, it was something like a recurrence of the
> 1850s-1910s expansion of Western capitalism. In Mexico, in the early
> 1990s, the whole thing appeared as a *political* swing so strong that
> -- in my thinking -- it had exhaust or weaken itself considerably, as
> a result of its own inherent contradictions, before the left could
> have a *political* clear shot. That, of course, didn't imply
> abandoning all struggles, particular the economic, day-to-day
> fork-and-knife fights for marginal improvements in the workers'
> working and living conditions, but the *political* scope of the
> struggle had to be downgraded or risk a worse backlash. (Clearly,
> Chavez took the exact opposite approach. He went for the political
> jugular in 1992. At the time and for a good while, his Quixotic
> gesture looked foolish to me. But, as history twists and turns, it
> turned out to be a learning experience for him and Venezuela, without
> which he and his country wouldn't be were they are now.)
> Looking at things from the perspective of the mid 1990s, it seemed to
> me that the vitality shown by the U.S. non-military economy and the
> whole thrust of the "neoliberal" globalization agenda (as opposed to
> the "neoconservatism" of the early 2000s) weren't entirely consistent
> with the view of a predominantly militaristic, parasytic U.S. (and, if
> I remember well Chomsky's remarks, British) economy. I remember
> thinking (and I believe I may have posted something about it on one of
> the usual lists) that we faced a sort of historical bifurcation, where
> the world train was being switched from the Lenin Track (1914-1989)
> back to the Marx Track (1850s-1914s).
> It was either my feverish imagination or the track switch prove not to
> be very robust since, with the selection of W and the U.S. reaction to
> 9/11, the train tripped back to the old Lenin Track. Anyway, with
> time, my views have become more mixed, which doesn't make them very
> amenable to a small set of categorical statements.
> Still, I can try to schematize my mental framework in a couple of
> sweeping statements: At the present time, the biggest danger ahead for
> humans doesn't arise from environmental decay or turbulent financial
> markets or even nuclear proliferation per se. These are, no doubt,
> serious dangers. But, ultimately, the biggest source of trouble lies
> in the abismal, persistent levels of *inequality*, especially (though
> not exclusively) international inequality. Imperialism, which
> continues to provide the
On Jun 26, 12:37 am, "cb31...@gmail.com" <cb31...@gmail.com> wrote:
> With the fall of the SU and Yugoslavian socialism, the statements
> below seem less valid.
One thing that has long interested me is that Yugoslavia actually had
considerable economic success--enough to make proto-EU-types worry
about the future of Spain or Greece or even Italy. And yet most of us
here on the 'left' seem to know very little about the actual nuts and
bolts of the political economy of Yugoslavia. Or Czechoslovakia for
that matter.
I agree. Perhaps an exception is Michael Lebowitz, who unfortunately participates seldom on this list. Michael has some works that make a good attempt to appropriate at least part of that rich experience and transfer it to Venezuela's and the world's working people.
On Jun 26, 2009 3:17 AM, "CEJ" <jann...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jun 26, 12:37 am, "cb31...@gmail.com" <cb31...@gmail.com> wrote: > With the fall of the SU and... One thing that has long interested me is that Yugoslavia actually had considerable economic success--enough to make proto-EU-types worry about the future of Spain or Greece or even Italy. And yet most of us here on the 'left' seem to know very little about the actual nuts and bolts of the political economy of Yugoslavia. Or Czechoslovakia for that matter.
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