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Siddharth Agarwal

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May 23, 2012, 6:34:23 AM5/23/12
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Hi All,

We need your help in getting a small clarification

We have had few features in Pakistan, with numbers and a suffix ‘Chak’ in the name field as seen here (http://goo.gl/Ff6n0). That also seems to be the general naming convention on the web.
However, a few of our mappers have recently been removing this suffix.

Please share your inputs. Based on that, we will have a uniform understanding.

Regards,
Siddharth Agarwal

Jabran

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May 23, 2012, 7:05:54 AM5/23/12
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Hi Siddharth

Thanks for bringing it into attention. Chak is basically a translation of small suburb/village type area. These all settlements come officially with suffix of Chak and hence its important that the names are remain in similar format. Could you please step up to stop any such activity and ask the editor (or preferably spammer) to discuss here before he/she carries on any further? Thanks

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Jabran Rafique



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Abdul Rehman

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May 23, 2012, 7:26:38 AM5/23/12
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Hi,

we don't need to remove it because it is an official name. Please spam to him.
Thanks

Usman Latif

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May 24, 2012, 11:02:07 PM5/24/12
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Hi Siddharth,

Thanks for bringing this up. Jabran has clarified well but I would like to elaborate more. 'Chak' is an Urdu word and is used for villages with their assigned numbers. Take is as word 'Town' or 'block' which is required with every town name as a suffix to identify that town. So let's say there's a village with the name 'ABC Chak' take is as ABC Town or ABC Block.

So, 'Chak' as a suffix is required in names to identify villages/settlements in suburban areas. Without 'Chak' in the name, you can't identify the location.

I hope that makes it more clear. Kindly stop any activity for removel of this word and let us know if we can help you with anything else.

Thanks
Usman Latif

Jabran

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May 25, 2012, 1:08:51 AM5/25/12
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+1

I would also like to point to this post by NHK who has explained this in very much detail. I don't know how this response never showed up in this thread here but came as a separate thread. Anyhow here it is.


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Jabran Rafique

Zahid Nagari

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May 28, 2012, 1:10:37 AM5/28/12
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HI,

100% Agree with Jabran, Chak(s) is given by Government of Pakistan to rural areas as an identity. This appears only in Province Punjab, however other Provinces have their own naming procedure. Chak is basically starts with as a suffix and end with a numeric no i.e (Chak 64/L). If we set it as an official name then look for primary name too.

Regards,

Zahid Nagari




On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 4:05:54 PM UTC+5, جabran wrote:
Hi Siddharth

Thanks for bringing it into attention. Chak is basically a translation of small suburb/village type area. These all settlements come officially with suffix of Chak and hence its important that the names are remain in similar format. Could you please step up to stop any such activity and ask the editor (or preferably spammer) to discuss here before he/she carries on any further? Thanks

Regards,
Jabran Rafique



On 23 May 2012 11:34, Mapping Pakistan - پاکستان نقشہ سازی فورم on behalf of Siddharth Agarwal <mapping-pakistan@googlegroups.com> wrote:
Hi All,

We need your help in getting a small clarification

We have had few features in Pakistan, with numbers and a suffix ‘Chak’ in the name field as seen here (http://goo.gl/Ff6n0). That also seems to be the general naming convention on the web.
However, a few of our mappers have recently been removing this suffix.

Please share your inputs. Based on that, we will have a uniform understanding.

Regards,
Siddharth Agarwal

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محمد اعظم چودھری‎

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May 28, 2012, 3:26:07 AM5/28/12
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Thanks for you concern.

my point of view is different from others as the word chak is no doubt translation of village in urdu but it is a category not part of name. as example if I say Delhi then it will fall in category of city or locality category but if I say "city Delhi" it will be wrong to mention the category as part of name. therefore the word chak is not part of name but is a category to the feature. what I find is that word chak can be added into name of obscure but for official or local the exact official name without suffix or prefix of word chak should be added.

momers

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May 28, 2012, 7:08:23 AM5/28/12
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But Azam, the word Chak is now a formal part of the identifier used for naming these places. that is how they are refered to in legal documents. SO even though the term is redundant but its usage is vital to unique identification of the settlement.

Bobody says im going to 14-RB...instead they go to Chak 14-RB!

Jabran Rafique

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May 28, 2012, 4:24:17 PM5/28/12
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+1 to momers

Also please read the historical viewpoint written by Nazar Hayat Khan in this same thread earlier. The prefix has actually been official since they were formed by British ruling regime.

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Jabran Rafique


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محمد اعظم چودھری‎

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May 29, 2012, 3:06:22 AM5/29/12
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but my view point is just that no doubt chak is used by British or Govt. of Pakistan but it is not part of 11/G-B. the word chak stands isolant from the official numbering of villages numbered in Punjab or Pakistan. the word chak is not part of name rather it stands apart in category and the real name of village is numbering allocated respectively to each village. it is local use of word village not part of name by any mean.


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Jabran

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May 29, 2012, 7:11:32 AM5/29/12
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As mentioned earlier by momers & NHK, that in Patwari records these are written as Chak ### that definitely makes it official. Perhaps you can provide any official reference rather than just personal point of view. That would be more helpful.

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Jabran Rafique



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Usman Latif

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May 29, 2012, 9:25:50 PM5/29/12
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Guys let's conclude this discussion. Azam, we understand you want to help but since the majority of the mappers here agree on that Chak is necessary, I think we should go with the majority. As I've mentioned earlier, Chak is required as a prefix for naming these villages. Hope this makes sense and others will agree to it.

Thanks,

Usman Latif

Jabran Rafique

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May 30, 2012, 5:03:46 AM5/30/12
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+1


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Jabran Rafique


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Siddharth Agarwal

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Jun 15, 2012, 2:42:53 AM6/15/12
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Hi All,

Appreciate the discussion.

We can conclude that prefix ‘Chak’ is required, for the concerned Features.
Hope to see a mutual understanding among all Users about this.

If a Contributor wants to add the name without the prefix, then they can do so by adding this as an additional name with an appropriate name type.

Thanks to all, for sharing your thoughts :)

Regards,
Siddharth Agarwal


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+1

Regards,
Jabran Rafique


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