PDF printing problems

[Eric Gagnon]

any of you have encountered problems with Adobe Acrobat standard 8.1.2
and MI 9.0 and VISTA 64 bit.

When I print is just hangs..and nothing happens..
I'm able to create pdf document with other applications.

Can anyone shed some light on this.

TIA

Eric

[Sean Cook]

I use cute pdf. It's a free down load. Google it and you'll find it. It is
very stable.

Sean

[Gentreau]

I can also recommend PDF995 (www.pdf995.com)

[college.atlas]

I use PrimoPDFand had sensational performance. It's also free. The
Enterprise version (the paid one) has some real advantages when
writing Mapbasic. You can control the output programatically.

The driver also has append,overwrite capability. Great for making
compound PDF's page by page. It also has an automatic "create PDF and
attach to email" option.

Handy for clients making maps and wanting to send them to people
straight from the desktop.

It also has a 64bit installer/driver.

http://www.primopdf.com/

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[Malcolm Norman]

Hi,
We have also had good results printing with the free PDF utilities,
but we still encounter the problem of jagged lines and weird hatch
fills when the PDF is then viewed in Adobe Acrobat Reader. This makes
PDF limited in its use, as most of our clients use Adobe as their
standard reader and complain of poor quality. Nobody from Adobe or
Mapinfo have come up with a solution yet!

Regards
Malcolm Norman
Portsmouth
UK

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[Williams, Bill (DPS)]

Malcolm
Interesting you should discuss strange things appearing on the PDF when sent from MapInfo.
We have the problem here that when a water feature is included in the map using a specific shade of blue (the shade supplied in the dataset) then long parallel lines appear in the PDF usually emanating from the water polygon. If the water polygon is changed to white, no lines. I have been told that it is something to do with colour mixing to produce the required shade but that doesn't explain the lines which can cross the entire map.
(Good result in the FA don't you think ?)
FYI
Regards

Bill Williams
Senior Researcher, Statistics & Mapping Section
Parliamentary Library
Department of Parliamentary Services
Parliament House
PO Box 6000
CANBERRA ACT 2600
Telephone : 02 62772513
Email: bill.w...@aph.gov.au

[Chi-Li Tang]

I have a very similar case when using Vertical Mapper to contour, it
works fine until converted from WMF into PDF(vector to PDF is worse
than raster to PDF) , there are lines across on my contour area. I
reached both MapInfo and Adobe regarding this issue. MapInfo's tech.
support group mentioned they heard about the problem and thought this
is the PDF conversion glitch (I also sent all my working files to let
them drive, same results). The Adobe support doesn't think this is
conversion related. It really bothers me because we have hundreds of
contour maps need to plotted. If you have any idea, please let me
know. Thanks.

Chi-Li Tang
Environmental Scientist
Ocean Monitoring and Research
Technical Services Department
Sanitation Districts of Los Angeles County
1955 Workman Mill Road
Whittier, CA 90607
(O): 562-699-7411 x 2819
(F): 562-908-4293
(E): ct...@lacsd.org


On May 28, 3:44 pm, "Williams, Bill (DPS)" <Bill.Willi...@aph.gov.au>
wrote:

> Malcolm
> Interesting you should discuss strange things appearing on the PDF when sent from MapInfo.
> We have the problem here that when a water feature is included in the map using a specific shade of blue (the shade supplied in the dataset) then long parallel lines appear in the PDF usually emanating from the water polygon. If the water polygon is changed to white, no lines. I have been told that it is something to do with colour mixing to produce the required shade but that doesn't explain the lines which can cross the entire map.
> (Good result in the FA don't you think ?)
> FYI
> Regards
>
> Bill Williams
> Senior Researcher, Statistics & Mapping Section
> Parliamentary Library
> Department of Parliamentary Services
> Parliament House
> PO Box 6000
> CANBERRA ACT 2600
> Telephone :  02 62772513

> Email:   bill.willi...@aph.gov.au

[Bonwick, Vicky]

We just suffered the same fate of long parallel blue lines of varying width streaking across the map. Definitely connected to the waterpolygon hatching/colour. (Definitely not corrupted label lines). It started to occur as soon as IT upgraded printer drivers. Switching from a HP DesignJet 800 PS3 driver to the GL/2 equivalent with "best for drawings" option ticked cured it. We certainly burn a lot of ink/time finding work-arounds for all of these issues.
Vicky

Vicky Bonwick
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[Eric_Bl...@mapinfo.com]

PDF support is very important to us. We have only recently become aware of some of the filling problems that seem to just show up in PDF. We are researching the issue and if you have examples that you can share with Tech Support, please send them along.

Eric Blasenheim
Chief Product Architect
Pitney Bowes MapInfo Corporation


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[Bill Thoen]

Ha! So it's water, eh? I get them too -- and also associated with
water-- using a light blue color. Maybe if we change the fill style for
water to bright red, this problem will go away. But I've found that
they emanate from points where the polygon edge gets complicated and is
probably not topologically correct. But if you delete the node where the
lines appear to originate, they just move over to the next node. I've
got some examples I can dig up tomorrow.

[Joe Barreca]

Malcolm et al:

I have seen these mysterious rays too, also from water features.  I have been sending PDFs to commercial printers who also seem to have problems with the way halos are generated around text in MI.

A work around that seems to be fairly fool-proof is to save the window as an image and add it as another layer replacing the original layers.  If your text is coming out fine, you can leave that out of the image and arrange it on top.  I also do this frequently to sandwich several transparent rasters together (good to see actual transparent fills coming in 9.5).  Of course these techniques lead to huge PDF files, can trigger problems with too high a resolution on plotters etc. but they can solve the ray problem.

Joe

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[Bonwick, Vicky]

I might add ours started when printing directly from MapInfo.  We tried converting to pdf to get around it but still got them.  They are very faint streaks that look like aeroplane "contrails" or jet-trails that seem to come from a location off page. 

It was an A0 very complex vector based map with lots of insets and thematics. 

I tried stripping our everything but the water and still got them.

I tried A3 with whole and partial dataset views and didn't get them!.

I tried A0 with the whole dataset and didn't get them.

I tried A0 with partial dataset and got them back.

They don't show up on the screen.

 

Very slippery.- Will send the layer to TechSupport.

 

Offending pattern/colour:

Pattern C5,R2  (C=Column, R=Row)

Background: yes, white

Foreground: C11, R2

Border C2, R1

Colour: C11, R6

Vicky Bonwick
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Glenorchy City Council
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[nicholas....@mainroads.qld.gov.au]

Is pdf a published specification?

Could MapInfo pro create a pdf directly?

This would be more reliable than relying on third-party software.

nick

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[Sue Beetlestone]

Not just water I'm afraid - we had a rash of red lines when we started to
pdf our Development plan maps. They emanated from a variety of map layers..
Since the document was to be commercially printed we worked with the
printers to develop settings for Acrobat Distiller which solved the problem
for that particular time - however we would much appreciate a better fix.
Geoprinter and CutePDf seem to give us the best results - but not always
perfect.

Sue

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[Chi-Li Tang]

I upload a PDF at (HOME->FILES) as an example (Filename: PressQuality-
AR2006-7.........PDF) if anyone can take a look. We have these lines
when using MIPro9+Vertical Mapper 3.1 then Print using Adobe's PDF
driver. This happened all the time BUT if you zoom in from Acrobat
with 1200%+ magnifying, those lines disappear. I send my example to
the technical support of MapInfo and Adobe. Neither one can help.
Is this a very special situation? I don't think so because a lot of
publications are in PDF and mapping is almost my everyday task. I
thought about using ESRI's Spatial Analyst, but they did not provide
Triangular Average grid, which we like the best. Another contour
software from Golden Software called SURFER, can grid with Triangular
Average, but once the PDF is printed, there are horizontal lines
inside the polgon. This really frustrated me.

On Jun 2, 7:59 am, "Sue Beetlestone" <sue.beetlest...@powys.gov.uk>
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[Williams, Bill (DPS)]

Sue
How did you " develop settings for Acrobat Distiller" ?

Bill Williams
Senior Researcher, Statistics & Mapping Section
Parliamentary Library
Department of Parliamentary Services
Parliament House
PO Box 6000
CANBERRA ACT 2600
Telephone : 02 62772513
Email: bill.w...@aph.gov.au

[Barbara Carroll]

I have a bit of a different problem with both MapInfo and Surfer generated
.pdf files. If I create a .pdf file that contains a transparent region, the
.pdf file looks fine when viewed on the screen. However when you print it,
the region has a diagonal line across the region. This happens with both
the HP800ps plotter and the Tektronix 7700 printer. Has anyone else
encountered this problem, and have you found a work-around. I've had to
take the .pdf file into illustrator and re-save it as a .pdf and then things
work as expected. I'd like not to have to go thru that additional step.

Best Regards,
Barbara
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[Driver, Greg 9434]

Perhaps MapInfo should follow ESRI's lead -

"ESRI and Adobe Collaborate to Provide Increased Interaction with PDF
Maps" -

http://tinyurl.com/43tsv5

Greg Driver

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[Bill Thoen]

Driver, Greg 9434 wrote:
> Perhaps MapInfo should follow ESRI's lead -
>
> "ESRI and Adobe Collaborate to Provide Increased Interaction with PDF
> Maps" -
>
> http://tinyurl.com/43tsv5
>
>

Interesting... Looks like this is year when maps are finally beginning
to interest non-GIS audiences. I read today that Microsoft SQL Server
2008 is going to have a mapping component now:

http://blogs.msdn.com/isaac/

[nicholas....@mainroads.qld.gov.au]

> Is pdf a published specification?

> Could MapInfo pro create a pdf directly?

> This would be more reliable than relying on third-party software.

> nick

To answer my own question, pdf is an ISO specification, specifically, ISO
32000-1:2008,
that was released only a few days ago, on July 1, 2008.

http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=51502

Technically, (and legally) MapInfo could include software that generates
pdf files, without being required to pay royalties to adobe.

If mapinfo generated a pdf directly, instead of going through a
printer driver, it could be ensured that the result is exactly
what the user wants.

Considering that MapInfo supports other relevant standards (eg OGC),
then this would be a smart feature to include.

[scisoft]

You, anyone else, could get the PDF software development kit (SDK) from
Adobe, which is easier and cheaper I think than flying blind with the ISO
standard.

(That's not quite what the ISO standard forces on you for 370 Euros, but
close).

Your URL shows this:

ISO 32000-1:2008 does not specify the following:

. specific processes for converting paper or electronic documents to the PDF
format;
. specific technical design, user interface or implementation or operational
details of rendering;
. specific physical methods of storing these documents such as media and
storage conditions;
. methods for validating the conformance of PDF files or readers;
. required computer hardware and/or operating system

Ian Thomas
GeoSciSoft - Perth, Australia

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