Not clear what I'm moderating

[Prateek]

Look at the feature
http://www.google.com/mapmaker?ll=28.633288,77.302449&spn=0.002604,0.004957&t=k&z=18&iwloc=7_0&gw=55&editids=sDWdy-Y727UEajUMvL&dtab=history
, which is currently up for moderation. However, it's not clear what
exactly the edit being moderated is, and it doesn't make sense to put
up such a thing for moderation. Edits are (at least) of 3 types:

Adding a new feature
Modifying an existing feature
Deleting a feature

It *must* always be clear to the moderator which of the 3 types the
edit falls in. In the modify case, it *must* be clear to the moderator
what the old state and new state of the feature is. This is the least
a moderator can expect to know before he/she moderates.

However, in this example, the situation is not clear. The moderate tab
says:

Route:
Interesting notes about this edit:
User is new to making edits of this kind
A mature feature has been modified

And my comments:

Route: [it's not a "route", it's a local park!]
Interesting notes about this edit:
User is new to making edits of this kind [which kind?]
A mature feature has been modified [aha, so this edit is of the
"modify" type. But surely I should be told this independent of the
mature-feature comment! Anyway, I should take this with a pinch of
salt: if Map Maker can say "Added road is too short or too long" in
case of a modify or a delete, who knows, it might be lying here too.]



The history tab has similar stuff:

We might be missing some of the older changes

Changed 13 hours 37 mins ago by phobia
Route:
# Interesting notes about this edit: User is new to making edits of
this kind
# A mature feature has been modified

This feature has undergone total 3 changes


This doesn't tell me what the old state of the feature was. Confusing
the moderators this way may lead to more misunderstandings between the
editors and moderators.

[Prasanth Rajan]

Hi,

  This is a good question. I have also begun to see quite a few changes coming for moderation where there is nothing except "Route" which is changed with no description and I have no clue as to what it is and end up requesting for details with some other moderator approving it in the meantime. I tried on 3 browsers with the same result.

Regards.

Prasanth

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[Map Maker Guide]

Hi Prateek & Prasanth,
I agree with your observations that this edit is a bit confusing.
This is because no change was actually made to the feature. here is
what happened :
1. The user edited the Local Park
2. Tried to add a Road name for the feature (under Overview tab>Road)
3. As the roads around the local park are unnamed, they were not able
to add the road name.
4. They cleared the text.
5. Saved.

This is why the edit shows that the feature has no edit made to the
road. "Route: <blank>"

Here is another example of such a feature:
http://www.google.com/mapmaker?hl=en&fll=28.631847,77.301355&fr=0.000188,0.000215&mpp=0.524134&gw=39&ll=28.632865,77.301698&spn=0.011385,0.010289&t=h&z=17&fid=4110936868716860373:14498568282505051007&dtab=history&iwloc=0_0

Please feel free to create an issue on the Issue Tracker if you feel
that this should not be the intended functionality.

Regards,
Map Maker Guide.

On Nov 22, 11:07 am, Prasanth Rajan <rajanp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>   This is a good question. I have also begun to see quite a few changes
> coming for moderation where there is nothing except "Route" which is changed
> with no description and I have no clue as to what it is and end up
> requesting for details with some other moderator approving it in the
> meantime. I tried on 3 browsers with the same result.
>
> Regards.
> Prasanth
>

> On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Prateek <kpratee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Look at the feature
>

> >http://www.google.com/mapmaker?ll=28.633288,77.302449&spn=0.002604,0....

> > map-moderatin...@googlegroups.com<map-moderating%2Bunsu...@googlegroups.com>
> > .

[Prateek]

So the edit was a "null edit", was it... the new state of the feature
is identical to the old state? Then why was it up for moderation at
all?

My main point here was not on the details of this specific instance,
but that

"It *must* always be clear to the moderator which of the 3 types the
edit falls in. In the modify case, it *must* be clear to the moderator
what the old state and new state of the feature is. This is the least
a moderator can expect to know before he/she moderates."

should be a policy that should be adopted. The moderation workflow and
UI should be designed with this in mind. For example, unless a
moderator is really dumb, he/she should never have to wonder "is this
an add or a modify that I'm moderating?"

[Map Maker Guide]

Hi Prateek, That was indeed a null edit and ideally the feature should
have not even gone into moderation and given a message "There were no
changes made". Let me get this checked...

However, coming to your main concern, the following is the messaging
that you should see for the 3 scenarios:
1. Adding a new feature
"Added on <date> by <username>" is shown when a feature is added

2. Modifying an existing feature.
Changed on <date> by <username>

3. Deleting a feature
Deleted on <date> by <username>
There will also be a red text "Deleted" above the tab space just below
the "Type of Feature".

Don't you think that the above messages clarify the edit to the
moderator ?

Regards,
Map Maker Guide.

[Prateek]

Things are not clear: for example, right now
http://www.google.com/mapmaker?gw=55&hl=en&ll=12.967925,77.563992&spn=0.045668,0.079308&z=14&t=k&dtab=moderate&iwloc=0_0&editids=PVPHmdGqn3QK16J1Dq
is up for moderation. The "moderate" tab says "Added on Nov 22, 2009
7:03pm". This tells me when the feature was added, but the message in
itself does not imply that the edit I'm moderating right now is an
"add". Your post indicates that this message is shown only when the
edit being moderated is an "add". Ok, but then the moderation tab also
says

Population: 60000 <red strikethrough>39497</red strikethrough>
which indicates that it was a "modify".

It also says

Geometry: Boundary modified
Before change
After change

Again, this means it was a "modify". So what's the deal here?

In short, the moderation UI is messed up.

For the delete case, yes, I remember seeing a red "(deleted)" message.
Even that is not accurate, though - "deleted" gives the impression
that the feature has been deleted (duh...), while the real situation
is that the act of deleting it is under moderation. Until this is
approved, it's not deleted (that's my impression, at least).

[Jabran]

Any changes made to the default values of attributes results in
showing the changes with strike-through text and it is in both cases
either on addition or modification. Deleted edit cannot be searched by
using normal search once deleted so there wouldn't be any point to
mark it Deleted after once it's deleted and removed. Well saying, I
would say this mark helps in quick moderation as it says Deleted at
the top then don't have to see details which usually is needed in case
of modification and addition.

Regards,
جabran
www.dyzynz.net


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[Map Maker Guide]

Thanks for elaborating Jabran ! :)
Adding to that, I agree that the "Geometry: Boundary modified" should
not have shown up as it is a new feature and the Before & After change
highlights the same polygon.

@Prateek - You might want to add this to the Issue Tracker & even
elaborate on some of the changes that you believe are needed for the
Moderation UI.

Thanks & Regards,
Map Maker Guide.

On Nov 26, 4:49 pm, Jabran <jabranrafi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Any changes made to the default values of attributes results in  
> showing the changes with strike-through text and it is in both cases  
> either on addition or modification. Deleted edit cannot be searched by  
> using normal search once deleted so there wouldn't be any point to  
> mark it Deleted after once it's deleted and removed. Well saying, I  
> would say this mark helps in quick moderation as it says Deleted at  
> the top then don't have to see details which usually is needed in case  
> of modification and addition.
>
> Regards,
> جabranwww.dyzynz.net
>
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> On 26 Nov 2009, at 11:15, Prateek <kpratee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Things are not clear: for example, right now

> >http://www.google.com/mapmaker?gw=55&hl=en&ll=12.967925,77.563992&spn...