50 miler and last long run

[Doug]

I was thinking about trying a 50 miler the last saturday in March in
California. I have already signed up for a marathon in Hawaii the
weekend before. So would this be an unwise thing to do? Would do the
marathon as an easy run. Any advice?

Doug

[Tyler Peek]

Do it! I did Gator Trail 50k(moderate effort) the week before Umstead 100 (best ever 18:18) this past year. 2007 I did Ellerbe Marathon the week before Umstead (19:50) Seems to work good for me at least. Tyler Peek --- On Fri, 12/4/09, Doug <djand...@yahoo.com> wrote:

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[jander...@nc.rr.com]

I agree with tyler. You done some ultras so it should not be a problem for you.

Joey

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> Do it! I did Gator Trail 50k(moderate effort) the week before Umstead 100 (best ever 18:18) this past year. 2007 I did Ellerbe Marathon the week before Umstead (19:50) Seems to work good for me at least.
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> I was thinking about trying a 50 miler the last saturday in March in
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> weekend before. So would this be an unwise thing to do? Would do the
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[jeff]

My concern would be getting to California in time to recover not just
from the marathon effort but also from the eastbound jet lag, the
dehydration, and the bug that one invariably picks up on those long
flights. jeff

[Jonathan Savage]

It depends ;}


If you are doing the marathon as an all our race effort, and want to do the
50 miler as an all out race effort, you will have a problem. If you do the
marathon as a race effort, but take it easy on the 50, you may be okay, but
recovery from racing a marathon can take a while. If you take it easy on the
marathon, you should be fine on the 50.

Tapering is a rather complex subject, with little good research done, even
at the marathon distance. (http://fellrnr.info/Practical-Tapering,
http://fellrnr.info/Tapering-101, http://fellrnr.info/Tapering-Tips). You
are unlikely to get much endurance benefit from the marathon, as endurance
based adaptations take longer to occur than a week. On the other hand, you
could look at the marathon as 'speedwork'. Running the marathon at 50 mile
pace would be like running 13 at marathon pace just before a marathon.

Recovery from distance varies widely. It used to take me 2-3 weeks to bounce
back from a marathon race, and I'd be unable to walk properly for the few
days immediately after. Having incorporated a lot more long running into my
schedule, I find I can bounce back from a 50K race quite easily - I did the
Derby on Saturday, took it a bit easy on Monday (16 + tabata), and was back
to normal on Wednesday. (BTW, there is a race report I did for Theoden at
http://obsruntheoden.blogspot.com/2009/12/he-kept-pain-at-bay-took-2nd-in-50k.html)

Bottom line - understanding how your body will respond to a marathon race
and clearly define your goals for each race.

I hope this helps,

Jonathan
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