Basically, if your existing page is already ranking for your
keyword/phrase, keep is but update the content and have it point to your
new pages (and have them point back to the 'hub').
I have looked at Joost's article and the other he recommends
Very interesting - because my NEW page content does what he suggests, and
offers multiple links to other closely related pages
On the question of page ranking, Google doesn't seem to rank my existing
page AT ALL - and it is certainly nowhere in the search results
Maybe Google is clever enough to work out that the content does NOT
correspond to what the title proclaims L
So maybe it would be better to create two new pages? I don't seem to have
any existing juice to lose!
Best wishes
Roy
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Subject: Re: [MWUG] Query on new/existing posts strategy
On 11 October 2012 14:45, Roy <r...@mantex.co.uk> wrote:
I've got a post on my site which has a title and content that don't quite
fit each other.
"How to edit your writing" is actually a series of style guides
Basically, if your existing page is already ranking for your
keyword/phrase, keep is but update the content and have it point to your new
pages (and have them point back to the 'hub').
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Anything interesting lined up for next MWUG meeting?
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On 11 October 2012 15:46, Roy <r...@mantex.co.uk> wrote:
Thanks for this Mike
I have looked at Joost's article and the other he recommends
Very interesting - because my NEW page content does what he suggests, and
offers multiple links to other closely related pages
On the question of page ranking, Google doesn't seem to rank my existing
page AT ALL - and it is certainly nowhere in the search results
Maybe Google is clever enough to work out that the content does NOT
correspond to what the title proclaims L
So maybe it would be better to create two new pages? I don't seem to have
any existing juice to lose!
Best wishes
Roy
Two new pages sounds like a plan to me. Perhaps redirect from the old one to
the main new one, but from what you say, its probably not worth it.
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Subject: [MWUG] Re: Query on new/existing posts strategy
Roy,
Just out of interest. When yo say your page doesn't rank, what key phrase
are you looking for?
On Thursday, 11 October 2012 14:45:27 UTC+1, Roy Johnson wrote:
I've got a post on my site which has a title and content that don't quite
fit each other.
"How to edit your writing" is actually a series of style guides
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I'd take some of Joost de Valk's advice and "follow, no index" all your
archives using his WordPress SEO plugin.
Do you have Google Webmaster tools? That will tell you what Google thinks
of your site in terms of keywords. It will also tell you about how many
impressions pages on your site get in SERPs
I certainly don't want pages competing against each other - I know enough to
realise that duplicate content is a No-No
And I have noticed that sometimes Google lists zip files in its search
results from my site - how on earth do those get there?
I'd take some of Joost de Valk's advice and "follow, no index" all your
archives using his WordPress SEO plugin.
At the moment I have got these two plugins - AOF SEO Site Verifier and All
in One SEO Pack
If I install Joost's Wordpress SEO plugin, will that cause any conflicts or
clashes?
And if you do advise me to install Joost's plugin, is it OK to de-activate
either of the other two
I understand that the number plugins one uses should be kept to a minimum
[and I see Joost covers 'importing' from All in One , and deleting THAT,
plus Google XML sitemaps]
Do you have Google Webmaster tools? That will tell you what Google thinks of
your site in terms of keywords. It will also tell you about how many
impressions pages on your site get in SERPs
Yes - I've got Webmaster Tools, but the problem (link with some of the stuff
above) is that I am not sure how to interpret the information supplied
Could this be a 'suitable case study for treatment' ?
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> *But my site only has about 1,400 posts plus about 150 pages – so do I
> take it that the other stuff is ‘archives’ ?*
> * *
> *And are the archives pages that I have changed or deleted or somehow
> left around from the past ?*
> **
The archive pages are automatically provided by WordPress, they are not
real pages but are dynamically generated just like the front page of a blog.
> * *
> *Are they of any use? And how would I get rid of them?*
> **
They are of great use, both to your readers and the search engines,
however, read on.
WordPress provides a way to browse the posts on your site in chronological
order, by date, by category, by tag, and by author.
Let's say you have a post (My Fantastic Article) created a few weeks ago,
with a category (Cat1) and three tags (Tag1, Tag2, Tag3) assigned. That
post could be found on the following urls:
It can also be found on feeds for most of those URLs (I suspect Google
sometimes indexes feeds too). And even on your search result pages too
http://yourdomain.com/?s=fantastic. (Though WordPress will never
automatically generate search links.)
Now, all this great. Honestly! For your readers and for Google. Your reader
has many, many ways of discovering your content. So too does Google and all
the other crawlers.
The key difference is that Google will see lots of duplicate content (at
least 10 copies just for one category and three tags), so the important
thing is to tell Google to follow the links on all those pages (which will
take it to the one true URL), but *not* index the archive pages themselves.
*Hence "follow, no-index"*.
The goal is to have Google index each post, each page, and your home page
(1400+150+1) and nothing else. But to follow the links on all those archive
pages to make sure it finds every bit of your content.
> *I certainly don’t want pages competing against each other – I know
> enough to realise that duplicate content is a No-No*
> **
Hopefully my explanation above will have explained how to sort that out.
> * *
> *And I have noticed that sometimes Google lists zip files in its search
> results from my site – how on earth do those get there?*
Just like other content, the names of the zip files, the words used in the
links to them all contribute to Googles understanding of what a thing is on
the web. The same is true for images and videos, documents and
spreadsheets. Of course these days, Google can also look at the contents of
documents (especially PDFs) and spreadsheets (and images a little)
> I'd take some of Joost de Valk's advice and "follow, no index" all your
> archives using his WordPress SEO plugin.****
> ** **
> *At the moment I have got these two plugins - **AOF SEO Site Verifier and
> All in One SEO Pack***
> * *
> *If I install Joost’s Wordpress SEO plugin, will that cause any
> conflicts or clashes? *
> * *
> *And if you do advise me to install Joost’s plugin, is it OK to
> de-activate either of the other two*
> * *
I would definitely recommend Joost's SEO plugin over all others. It does
have an importer for your All in One settings, so it should help you get
started with it straight away.
I don't think there's any bigger endorsement of Joost's plugin than the
fact that Woothemes are deprecating their own built in SEO functionality
and recommending Joost's plugin. That's a multi million dollar company
saying this one guy does SEO better than we do, use him! StudioPress do the
same thing.
Yoast plugin will provide the functionality of both the plugins you mention
and create XML sitemaps too.
> Do you have Google Webmaster tools? That will tell you what Google thinks
> of your site in terms of keywords. It will also tell you about how many
> impressions pages on your site get in SERPs****
> ** **
> *Yes – I’ve got Webmaster Tools, but the problem (link with some of the
> stuff above) is that I am not sure how to interpret the information supplied
> *
> * *
> *Could this be a ‘suitable case study for treatment’ ?*
> * *
That's an idea.
PS with paged comments and hierarchical categories, there are even more
urls that will show the same content!
I can hardly thank you enough for all this advice and support.
I am [slowly] beginning to see what's required.
There's one outstanding question in my mind - that is, how and where to
implement the 'follow, no index' instruction
But I will downloaded Joost's SEO software - maybe the answer will be
apparent to me there
Fingers crossed. I'll let you know how I get on
See you next Wednesday by the way
Keep a Q + A slot open for me just in case J
Cheers
Roy
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Sent: 12 October 2012 10:57
To: manchester-wordpress-user-group@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [MWUG] Re: Query on new/existing posts strategy
On 11 October 2012 18:05, Roy <r...@mantex.co.uk> wrote:
Thanks for the further support Mike
There's some of this stuff I don't quite understand (quite a bit in fact)
But my site only has about 1,400 posts plus about 150 pages - so do I take
it that the other stuff is 'archives' ?
And are the archives pages that I have changed or deleted or somehow left
around from the past ?
The archive pages are automatically provided by WordPress, they are not real
pages but are dynamically generated just like the front page of a blog.
Are they of any use? And how would I get rid of them?
They are of great use, both to your readers and the search engines, however,
read on.
WordPress provides a way to browse the posts on your site in chronological
order, by date, by category, by tag, and by author.
Let's say you have a post (My Fantastic Article) created a few weeks ago,
with a category (Cat1) and three tags (Tag1, Tag2, Tag3) assigned. That post
could be found on the following urls:
It can also be found on feeds for most of those URLs (I suspect Google
sometimes indexes feeds too). And even on your search result pages too
http://yourdomain.com/?s=fantastic. (Though WordPress will never
automatically generate search links.)
Now, all this great. Honestly! For your readers and for Google. Your reader
has many, many ways of discovering your content. So too does Google and all
the other crawlers.
The key difference is that Google will see lots of duplicate content (at
least 10 copies just for one category and three tags), so the important
thing is to tell Google to follow the links on all those pages (which will
take it to the one true URL), but not index the archive pages themselves.
Hence "follow, no-index".
The goal is to have Google index each post, each page, and your home page
(1400+150+1) and nothing else. But to follow the links on all those archive
pages to make sure it finds every bit of your content.
I certainly don't want pages competing against each other - I know enough to
realise that duplicate content is a No-No
Hopefully my explanation above will have explained how to sort that out.
And I have noticed that sometimes Google lists zip files in its search
results from my site - how on earth do those get there?
Just like other content, the names of the zip files, the words used in the
links to them all contribute to Googles understanding of what a thing is on
the web. The same is true for images and videos, documents and spreadsheets.
Of course these days, Google can also look at the contents of documents
(especially PDFs) and spreadsheets (and images a little)
I'd take some of Joost de Valk's advice and "follow, no index" all your
archives using his WordPress SEO plugin.
At the moment I have got these two plugins - AOF SEO Site Verifier and All
in One SEO Pack
If I install Joost's Wordpress SEO plugin, will that cause any conflicts or
clashes?
And if you do advise me to install Joost's plugin, is it OK to de-activate
either of the other two
I would definitely recommend Joost's SEO plugin over all others. It does
have an importer for your All in One settings, so it should help you get
started with it straight away.
I don't think there's any bigger endorsement of Joost's plugin than the fact
that Woothemes are deprecating their own built in SEO functionality and
recommending Joost's plugin. That's a multi million dollar company saying
this one guy does SEO better than we do, use him! StudioPress do the same
thing.
Yoast plugin will provide the functionality of both the plugins you mention
and create XML sitemaps too.
Do you have Google Webmaster tools? That will tell you what Google thinks of
your site in terms of keywords. It will also tell you about how many
impressions pages on your site get in SERPs
Yes - I've got Webmaster Tools, but the problem (link with some of the stuff
above) is that I am not sure how to interpret the information supplied
Could this be a 'suitable case study for treatment' ?
That's an idea.
PS with paged comments and hierarchical categories, there are even more urls
that will show the same content!
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> I can hardly thank you enough for all this advice and support.****
> ** **
> I am [slowly] beginning to see what’s required.****
> ** **
> There’s one outstanding question in my mind – that is, how and where to
> implement the ‘follow, no index’ instruction****
> ** **
> But I will downloaded Joost’s SEO software – maybe the answer will be
> apparent to me there****
> **
Yeah, it's in the plugin. It has a little guided tour thing that may help
(or it may confuse you!) Once you have it installed it's under SEO ->
Titles and meta
> **
> Fingers crossed. I’ll let you know how I get on****
> ** **
> See you next Wednesday by the way****
> ** **
> Keep a Q + A slot open for me just in case J****
Yeah, it's in the plugin. It has a little guided tour thing that may help
(or it may confuse you!) Once you have it installed it's under SEO -> Titles
and meta
I installed WordPress SEO - and found this setting
It's a FANTASTIC plugin Mike!
Now going through 1400+ posts by hand, tweaking for SEO J
I'm still not sure about some of the plugin main settings though
Might this be a suitable short item for the beginners' session on Wednesday?
> Yeah, it's in the plugin. It has a little guided tour thing that may help
> (or it may confuse you!) Once you have it installed it's under SEO ->
> Titles and meta****
> ** **
> I installed WordPress SEO – and found this setting****
> ** **
> It’s a FANTASTIC plugin Mike!****
> **
Glad you like it. It's the only one I recommend now.
> **
> Now going through 1400+ posts by hand, tweaking for SEO J****
> ** **
> I’m still not sure about some of the plugin main settings though****
> ** **
> Might this be a suitable short item for the beginners’ session on
> Wednesday?****
> **
Unfortunately the planned speaker can't make it, so I take some time to
give an overview of the WordPress SEO Plugin.
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This one: I skipped ahead past the installation. After that I wanted to
stop 20 seconds into the "tour". Too hesitant, "index...ation", and the
description of "SEO". Poor grammer, "Something down here comes up",
reading out what he's typing! and the bit about keyword density is just
wrong (amongst other things).
Poor quality, poor information, poor explanation, old video. Some stuff is
just completely wrong again. Definite lack of knowledge. Some of the
explanations of the stuff in the page analysis are ok (and some are
slightly wrong)
But also wrong about keyword density. Wrong information on the advanced
tab. "cannical"!
> **
> You won’t be surprised to hear that they all say different things J****
> **
So, overall, I wouldn't worry that all three are different.
I'd summarise all three as poor and not worth bothering with!
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Sent: 17 October 2012 12:02
To: manchester-wordpress-user-group@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [MWUG] Yoast installation
On 16 October 2012 18:13, Roy <r...@mantex.co.uk> wrote:
That's great news
I have been watching some tutorial videos on YouTube
And I think I've got the hang of getting maximum 'green' dots on my page
analysis report
But it's the initial settings I am still not quite sure about
This one: I skipped ahead past the installation. After that I wanted to stop
20 seconds into the "tour". Too hesitant, "index...ation", and the
description of "SEO". Poor grammer, "Something down here comes up", reading
out what he's typing! and the bit about keyword density is just wrong
(amongst other things).
Poor quality, poor information, poor explanation, old video. Some stuff is
just completely wrong again. Definite lack of knowledge. Some of the
explanations of the stuff in the page analysis are ok (and some are slightly
wrong)
But also wrong about keyword density. Wrong information on the advanced tab.
"cannical"!
You won't be surprised to hear that they all say different things J
So, overall, I wouldn't worry that all three are different. I'd summarise
all three as poor and not worth bothering with!
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It's still about 4,000 more than it out to be though J
cheers
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Just completed your survey and wanted to thank you for giving your time last night.
But also wanted to say/add one evening a month isn't enough time to learn something as complex as wp and you giving your time for free is not sustainable. I, and I'm sure many other would be happy to pay for screen casts on their selected topic of interest and it's a way for you to generate funds too.
Thanks again
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> On 13 October 2012 14:42, Roy <r...@mantex.co.uk> wrote:
> Yeah, it's in the plugin. It has a little guided tour thing that may help (or it may confuse you!) Once you have it installed it's under SEO -> Titles and meta
> I installed WordPress SEO – and found this setting
> It’s a FANTASTIC plugin Mike!
> Glad you like it. It's the only one I recommend now.
> Now going through 1400+ posts by hand, tweaking for SEO J
> I’m still not sure about some of the plugin main settings though
> Might this be a suitable short item for the beginners’ session on Wednesday?
> Unfortunately the planned speaker can't make it, so I take some time to give an overview of the WordPress SEO Plugin.
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