On Mar 20, 7:47 pm, Sam <sam.les
...@cox.net> wrote:
> I participate in Farrell Till's Inerrancy discussion list. Jason used
> to post there until his motives were uncovered and his behavior
> repudiated. Recently, his name came up in discussion with another
> Christian who wanted to claim that Farrell was unjust in his treatment
> of Christians. I posted an update about Jason, including the
> information already in the group discussions here, and interestingly
> enough, Jason hadn't been as quiet as we might have presumed, though
> his activities are a bit less public. It seems that Jason was
> privately taunting at least two of the atheists who participate in the
> discussion list and, during the exchanges that subsequently ensued,
> Jason admitted that he's never read the entire Bible!
...
> Apparently, Jason told his correspondent that he had read "43 books"
> in the Bible. When asked about this, Jason replied, "I have not read
> the entire Bible. It's not on my short list of things to do...I'd
> like to do it one day, but I have no immediate plans to do it."
> Jason, who claims to be a "Bible scholar" and who presumed to write a
> rebuttal to the "Skeptic's Annotated Bible" based on his own, alleged
> expertise, has never read the entire Bible. The comments were dated
> March 5th - just 15 days ago. Jason has had an Internet "ministry' for
> 10 years and claims to have been first saved when he was 7.
> Jason, again: "While the Old Testament has value, much of it wasn't
> written to me. It was written to the ancient Israelites. I haven't
> read the New Testament cover to cover, but I'm quite certain I've read
> 99% of it."
> This really didn't surprise me all that much, but we need to keep in
> mind the alleged expertise that some of us, and more of you, have seen
> Jason speak of all of these years.
Well by Jason's own words then, apparently his claim to be a bible
scholar is "absurd". Back in December of 2003, when he was still
active over on alt.atheism we had a discussion. Here's part of what I
wrote and his response (my text is the single quote portion):
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> No. Each story gives a completely different account of how
> Judas died and the events surrounding his death. Here's the
> story in Matthew -
> Matthew 27:3-10 (KJV)
> Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was
> condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty
> pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, Saying, I
> have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And
> they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. And he cast
> down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and
> went and hanged himself. And the chief priests took the
> silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them
> into the treasury, because it is the price of blood. And they
> took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to
> bury strangers in. Wherefore that field was called, The field
> of blood, unto this day. Then was fulfilled that which was
> spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the
> thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued,
> whom they of the children of Israel did value; And gave them
> for the potter's field, as the Lord appointed me.
> And here's the story in Acts -
> Acts 1:18-19 (KJV)
> Now this man [Judas] purchased a field with the reward of
> iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the
> midst, and all his bowels gushed out. And it was known unto
> all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is
> called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The
> field of blood.
> So, if we ask the following questions about each story, we
> get different answers.
> 1. How did Judas die?
> 2. What happened to the money that Judas got for betraying
> Jesus?
> 3. Who bought the field?
> 4. Why was the field known as the field of blood?
> According to Matthew, the answers are:
> 1. he hanged himself
> 2. he threw it into the temple
> 3. the priests did, using the money that Judas threw in the
> temple
> 4. because it was purchased with the money that was given in
> payment of Judas' betrayal of Jesus
> According to Acts, the answers are:
> 1. he fell and burst open (which, admittedly, makes little
> sense)
> 2. he bought a field with it
> 3. Judas
> 4. because Judas died in it
> See that? Four questions, four different answers.
> Yes, I know, you're going to claim that both are true and
> you'll have some ridiculous version of events that
> contradicts both stories, but makes you feel all warm and
> fuzzy. Well, try this. Pretend that you knew nothing of
> either story, and you were reading Matthew for the first
> time. Would your answers to my four questions differ from
> what I wrote above for Matthew? If so, please explain how and
> why. Next, pretend you've heard neither story and you're
> reading Acts for the first time. Would your answers to my
> four questions differ from what I wrote above for Acts?
> Try this experiment, ask several people if they know how
> Judas died. Divide the people into three groups, those that
> say they don't know, those that say he hanged himself and
> those that say he died from a fall. Ask half the people in
> each group to read Matthew 27:3-10 and then answer my four
> questions. Ask the other half to read Acts 1:18-19 and then
> answer my four questions. See how many come up with the
> apologetic you propose.
> I actually tried that once, albeit with a rather small sample
> size. It was a few years ago, and unfortunately, I didn't
> keep any notes, so I might not remember all the details quite
> right. I'll try to tell you the results as best I can.
> I asked five people, all christians, if they knew how Judas
> died. Three said they didn't know and two said they thought
> he died by hanging himself. I told them all to pray to the
> Holy Ghost or do whatever ritual was necessary to be able to
> read and understand the bible.
> Each person answered pretty much along the lines of the
> answers I gave above for each book, except for one lady gave
> one answer that was just off the wall. The guy who said Jesus
> died by hanging, but was told to read Acts, searched for the
> verse where it says he hanged himself. He said that according
> to Acts the answers were the ones I gave above. He agreed
> that the bible contradicts itself on this point. Of course,
> he wasn't a fundy.
...
The Bible is meant to be read - in its entirety - and understood.
Testing
people by having them read parts of it is absurd.
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You can read the entire post at:
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.angels/msg/81d95f6cf7cc5269
So, if Jason really has not read the entire bible, I'd be interested
in knowing why he thinks other people need to read it in its entirety
to understand it, but he doesn't.
OTOH, while I don't remember him specifically saying so, from
discussions with him, I had the impression that he had read the
complete bible. I remember he claimed that the English language bible
had only one error in it (IIRC, he didn't specify which translation he
was referring to, and he said that he couldn't recall what that one
error was). If he hadn't read the whole thing, how could he have made
that claim? Okay, he's Jason. Still this doesn't sound quite right.
I'd really like to see that post. I did a search for an archive but
failed to find one.
Greg