Network Enabled Makerbot

[mctrivia]

I have a few of these: [url=http://ucontroller.com/documentation/
PropNICDoc.html]PropNics[/url] They are a simple NIC card meant for
use with microcontrollers. I have absolutely no I idea how to do
this but it would be really cool if replicator had an option to print
to a network address and 1 of these cards(or something similarly
priced) could be attached to the makerbot to allow printing over my
home intranet. That way any computer in the house could start a print.

[Luis E. Rodriguez]

This would really be a boon to the Makerbot world. Please do this. The more the makerbot becomes more automated the more this kind of scenario becomes standard. One in the kitchen, one in the garage.... :)

Luis E. Rodriguez

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[ddurant]

I think I've heard rumors that this is already in the works. Maybe not
just like you said but some sorta of print server capability..

On Oct 17, 11:33 pm, "Luis E. Rodriguez" <lrodriguezm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> This would really be a boon to the Makerbot world. Please do this. The more
> the makerbot becomes more automated the more this kind of scenario becomes
> standard. One in the kitchen, one in the garage.... :)
>
> Luis E. Rodriguez
>

> On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 2:26 PM, mctrivia <squarerootofnegative...@gmail.com

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> > I have a few of these: [url=http://ucontroller.com/documentation/
> > PropNICDoc.html]PropNics[/url]  They are a simple NIC card meant for
> > use with microcontrollers.  I have absolutely no I idea how  to do
> > this but it would be really cool if replicator had an option to print
> > to a network address and 1 of these cards(or something similarly
> > priced) could be attached to the makerbot to allow printing over my
> > home intranet.  That way any computer in the house could start a print.
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[Steven Dick]

On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 11:41 PM, ddurant <ddur...@gmail.com> wrote:

I think I've heard rumors that this is already in the works. Maybe not
just like you said but some sorta of print server capability..

I believe the print server capability is going into ReplicatorG.

[mctrivia]

Well I am willing to put my money on the line.

I am offering $50 to the first person that can design a device that
can be made for under $50(parts from digikey preferably) or can be
purchased for under $50 that will:
*connect to a wired Ethernet
*allow printing to makerbot from any computer attached to the same
wireless network.

The device I mentioned in first link is $30 and it is probably
possible to use it, some wires and some code changes to the
motherboard, and prop g to make this work. How ever it is done it
requires a hardware solution on the side of the makerbot and a
software solution on the computer that needs to print.


On Oct 17, 11:37 pm, Steven Dick <kg...@gmail.com> wrote:

[beverageexpert]

You should be able to use a modified networked arduino that either
uses the WIZnet chip or Mircochip's ENC28J60. You could either build
the arduino yourself customized for the network makerbot interface or
go with one of the cheaper freeduinos. I like modern device's rbbb
arduino for 12 bucks. Somewhere I had read that the ENC28J60 was a
more robust chip over the wiznet but it was harder to interface with.
There are arduino libraries already written for it so it shouldn't be
too hard to send build files to the makerbot motherboard from any
internet enabled device. I think I saw a post where a guy built a
ENC28J60 breakout board for 8 to 10 bucks. So for around 25 bucks you
should be able to get this thing going. I know as well you can build a
basic arduino for around 7 bucks. So if you are crafty you could
possibly build one for 15 to 20$

something to think about

bryan

On Oct 19, 11:20 pm, mctrivia <squarerootofnegative...@gmail.com>
wrote:

[Owen M Collins]

Would the change to the arduino mega for the Gen4 electronics make this easier?

O.

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[James McCracken]

I'd prefer any network solution be a black box to the makerbot
electronics... it just needs to be a network <-> UART, and for that
reason, I think it should run off its own seperate arduino...

[Tony Buser]

Network enabling my MakerBot has been in the back of my mind for a
while. I ordered one of these serial to ethernet boards that I think
might work:

http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9476

My short term plan was to then write an iPhone app to control the
basic functions of a makerbot wirelessly over the network. (control
motors, read the temp, launch print jobs off the sdcard)

[Ethan Dicks]

On 10/20/10, Tony Buser <tbu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Network enabling my MakerBot has been in the back of my mind for a
> while. I ordered one of these serial to ethernet boards that I think
> might work:
>
> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=9476

Those look pretty interesting. I have been hacking on LCD interfaces
for LCDproc for some time, and I've considered such things for remote
serial operation of the LCD panel.

I haven't explored the docs yet, but for $30, I might pick one up just
to mess with.

> My short term plan was to then write an iPhone app to control the
> basic functions of a makerbot wirelessly over the network. (control
> motors, read the temp, launch print jobs off the sdcard)

I think it would be fun to watch the progress of a build remotely, too.

-ethan

[Owen M Collins]

Man that would be awesome to integrate a webcam in the network adapter thing. Like off of a Single Board Computer. But that is out of the price range you are talking about.

Maybe I should dust off my old G4 Mac mini and VNC into it to run the makerbot...

O.

[Rob Giseburt]

You could use a cheap wireless router, like this one on MightyOhm:

http://mightyohm.com/blog/2008/10/building-a-wifi-radio-part-3-hacking-the-asus-wl-520gu/

The hard part would be making a RepG-mini (not in java) that send the commands. If RepG were written in C/C++ then it would be easy.

That part of RepG whould be in C/C++ anyway… Just leave the GUI in Java.

  -Rob

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[Rob Giseburt]

Actually, for about $35 the FreeAgent DockStar is probably a better bet. A lot more power, and gigabit ethernet too. No WiFi, but a USB adapter (more $$) could add that, tho.

http://hackaday.com/2010/10/04/more-openwrt-image-building-for-the-dockstar/

$35 (after shipping), and (in the link above) you can add a Serial Port and reflash it with Linux.

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-FreeAgent-DockStar-Network-STDSA10G-RK/dp/B002MRRU6G

Now, with a USB 7" display… ;-)

Have Fun!

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On Oct 20, 2010, at 10:58 AM, Owen M Collins wrote:

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[Bill Culverhouse]

While you are thinking about all these ideas. How about a webcam on the pc running the bot (not talking about networking in this one) that uses computer vision to stop a build when things go wrong. Now *that* would be useful.

 

-b

[mctrivia]

in my post i mentioned wireless network. that was a mistype. makerbot
can be hardwired. if connected to wireless router then computers can
be wired or wireless with no cares to you. do to network lag it would
be a good idea to copy object to sd before printing.

On Oct 20, 11:48 am, Rob Giseburt <giseb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Actually, for about $35 the FreeAgent DockStar is probably a better bet. A lot more power, and gigabit ethernet too. No WiFi, but a USB adapter (more $$) could add that, tho.
>

> http://hackaday.com/2010/10/04/more-openwrt-image-building-for-the-do...
>
> $35 (after shipping), and (in the link above) you can add a Serial Port and reflash it with Linux.http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-FreeAgent-DockStar-Network-STDSA10G-RK/...

[Zip Zap]

I've finally used the SD Card.  I must say, it's quite impressive.  I'm getting more accurate prints.  I'm currently printing out wobble arresters for the bot.  I notice sometimes that when you click "build from SD card" that the small window list of files is blank.  It came to mind how some people have said here that their SD cards get erased mysteriously.  However, when I clicked again to "build from SD card", the small window then shows the filenames to select.  In my case, it showed the names in duplicates.  I don't think there's two files in my SD card of the same gcode, although I haven't checked.  I think it's the RepG20 program acting up.

[James McCracken]

@Bill - good idea on using CV to check the quality of the build; I've
thought of this myself in the past and I have some experience with
OpenCV. My only issue is figuring out what exactly it's supposed to
be looking for, color of material, etc.

Any thoughts on a concrete impementation?

[Mark Cohen]

It works best with the brand and type of card supplied by makerbot. Other cards cause issues. Also reformat the card when it acts weird.

[mctrivia]

look for the shape changing rapidly. i.e. fell over or nocked over

[ddurant]

...and a filament spool with a rotation sensor.

On Oct 20, 5:02 pm, mctrivia <squarerootofnegative...@gmail.com>
wrote:

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[Luis E. Rodriguez]

Remote management would then be possible. I've often thought about setting up a Makerbot dedicated PC with a webcam and use VNC to remotely kill a failed print. This of course requires me to watch the webcam. Does anybody know if MakerBot used USB or SD for that 28+ hour blue mendel demo video for the ABP? A web app that controlled a makerbot would be awesome. My mind is wandering now.....

Luis E. Rodriguez

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[James McCracken]

Ahh, that's a good-ish idea...

I could develop an algorithm that could look at the profile over time,
expecting it to be added to incrementally... and since the build
platform has sharp lines as edges, it'd be pretty easy to correct for
the motion of the build platform.

I'd also want to detect the nozzle shape... both to in-paint the
profile in that area... and with stereo cameras it could even detect
head crashes against the side bolts on the hbp... for that matter, a
well placed mirror could serve the same purpose, as long as the
geometry of camera to mirror to bot frame is well known...

Eventually, I'd think you'd want to parse the g-code and develop a
model of what the shape is supposed to look like as it prints.

[mctrivia]

for head crashes get counter sunk screws so there is nothing to hit.

i have 90 spares if anyone wants some. postage to us would be $4 to
mail the 6 you need. you may be able to find cheaper somewhere else
though

On Oct 21, 9:02 am, James McCracken <merlin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ahh, that's a good-ish idea...
>
> I could develop an algorithm that could look at the profile over time,
> expecting it to be added to incrementally... and since the build
> platform has sharp lines as edges, it'd be pretty easy to correct for
> the motion of the build platform.
>
> I'd also want to detect the nozzle shape... both to in-paint the
> profile in that area... and with stereo cameras it could even detect
> head crashes against the side bolts on the hbp... for that matter, a
> well placed mirror could serve the same purpose, as long as the
> geometry of camera to mirror to bot frame is well known...
>
> Eventually, I'd think you'd want to parse the g-code and develop a
> model of what the shape is supposed to look like as it prints.
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 5:02 PM, mctrivia
>

[Theron Trowbridge]

Here's what I used:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000NHVQXU

Less than $4 for 100, plus shipping.  But then you have 94 more than you need :)

Simple countersink bit (another $5 if you don't already have one) works for the 1/16" aluminum heat spreader or the acrylic platform.  It's an easy upgrade that instantly gives you a full 100x100mm print area.


-Theron
^

[James McCracken]

I have amazon prime... so less than $4 for 100, with a 2 day delivery.

Why did it escape me that amazon would ship me screws for free until
this very moment?!!??! I would've bought a lot of hardware from them
by now otherwise lol...

[Bill Culverhouse]

Exactly what I was thinking. At a given layer height I would think the computer could figure

out from this angle the build should look like this. Falling off of course, yes, but also any

other deal breakers like the x or y skipping and continuing to print skewed off. A Z-skip

is less of a build ender and also harder to detect with CV.

 

I came back to a print that had moved and there was a lovely snarl that looked like a

wad of fishing line.

 

-b

[Richard K]

I currently have an Arduino Mega controlled makerbot, and have a
Network shield on the way from LadyAda, should have it on Friday (with
any luck). I think getting it to receive commands (G codes) is not a
big deal, nor is it to integrate an SD card.

The problem for me, and mentioned it in the thread about my Mega, is
does anyone know of client software that someone is working on that
could interface with a network controlled Makerbot?

All it would have to do is send commands (G code or whatever) and
allow for basic control panel usage. Can use other tools to generate
the appropriate files, load onto SD card, or what haveya...



On Oct 21, 9:51 pm, Bill Culverhouse <bill.culverho...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Exactly what I was thinking. At a given layer height I would think the
> computer could figure
> out from this angle the build should look like this. Falling off of course,
> yes, but also any
> other deal breakers like the x or y skipping and continuing to print skewed
> off. A Z-skip
> is less of a build ender and also harder to detect with CV.
>
> I came back to a print that had moved and there was a lovely snarl that
> looked like a
> wad of fishing line.
>
> -b
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[jstnfirst]

There are ethernet to serial converters, they use software installed
on your pc to set up a virtual serial port, which gets piped over the
network to the Ethernet to serial device, so repG would have no idea
that it wasn't talking through the normal ftdi cable. This does lead
to the issue of uploading files though, as it would be just as slow,
or slower than uploading your build through the serial cable. I have
used these before on other projects
http://www.lantronix.com/device-networking/external-device-servers/uds1100.html

but for easy integration you could use this
http://www.lantronix.com/device-networking/embedded-device-servers/xport.html
which can be had for about $51

[Zip Zap]

Also,  I'd like to know faster ways to upload a file to an SD card.  I use RepG's "upload to SD card" feature but it takes a long time to load.  I've tried directly by PC but RepG can't read it. 

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From: Zip Zap <zza...@yahoo.com>
To: make...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 11:49:48 AM
Subject: [MakerBot] Building from SD Card

I've finally used the SD Card.  I must say, it's quite impressive.  I'm getting more accurate prints.  I'm currently printing out wobble arresters for the bot.  I notice sometimes that when you click "build from SD card" that the small window list of files is blank.  It came to mind how some people have said here that their SD cards get erased mysteriously.  However, when I clicked again to "build from SD card", the small window then shows the filenames to select.  In my case, it showed the names in duplicates.  I don't think there's two files in my SD card of the same gcode, although I haven't checked.  I think it's the RepG20 program acting up.

[Richard K]

When my MBI electronics were working I was able to build the S3G file
directly to the SD card (<= 2GB) and then plop it on the motherboard.
Used one of those external USB card readers to do it.

Have you tried building the S3G file directly to the hard drive and
then copying it to the SD card? It would just have to show up as a
drive (in winblows). I used Winblows XP to do it.

Maybe try reformatting it as FAT as last resort? Maybe some how it is
in a format winblows doesn't recognize but the MBI electronics does?

On Oct 21, 11:30 pm, Zip Zap <zzap...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Also,  I'd like to know faster ways to upload a file to an SD card.  I use
> RepG's "upload to SD card" feature but it takes a long time to load.  I've tried
> directly by PC but RepG can't read it.  
>
> ________________________________

> From: Zip Zap <zzap...@yahoo.com>

[Zip Zap]

I can build directly to the SD card or hard drive(and put back to SD).  However, the motherboard just hangs "building...".  So I'm back to "uploading to SD card" and waiting for over an hour.  I'm using the MBI supplied 1GB SD card.

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[Bill Culverhouse]

Just wondering, I know network access is a great idea but how practical is it?

Does everyone but me have a bot that can home itself and start a print without

any human interaction?

 

I guess I need to finish my endstops and catchup to everyone else. Starting my

bot from another room or over the Interwebs would yield only the bitter stink

of failure. Which as everyone knows smells just like burning ABS.

 

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[Nick]

I just finished my homing yesterday. Works great.
Now I can start a build without the fear of missing something... Like
starting to heat the plastruder when it is on the base and doing a big
hole in the acrylic plate....

I will post my start.txt today....

Nick
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On Oct 22, 5:03 am, Bill Culverhouse <bill.culverho...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Just wondering, I know network access is a great idea but how practical is
> it?
> Does everyone but me have a bot that can home itself and start a print
> without
> any human interaction?
>
> I guess I need to finish my endstops and catchup to everyone else. Starting
> my
> bot from another room or over the Interwebs would yield only the bitter
> stink
> of failure. Which as everyone knows smells just like burning ABS.
>
> -b
>

> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:51 PM, jstnfirst <justinstilt...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > There are ethernet to serial converters, they use software installed
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> > network to the Ethernet to serial device, so repG would have no idea
> > that it wasn't talking through the normal ftdi cable.  This does lead
> > to the issue of uploading files though, as it would be just as slow,
> > or slower than uploading your build through the serial cable.  I have
> > used these before on other projects
>

> >http://www.lantronix.com/device-networking/external-device-servers/ud...

>
> > but for easy integration you could use this
>

> >http://www.lantronix.com/device-networking/embedded-device-servers/xp...

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[James McCracken]

I don't have homing... but would love to add both homing and a nozzle
brush. As it is though I would use network printing if it were
available. My makerbot is on my workbench, I have to lug the portable
laptop desk over there to do a print... it'd be great if I could
preheat and print without moving my computer...

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[Bill Culverhouse]

Now that's a good example. So what we need is a makerbot, with some type of webserver

attached so I can key in its IP address into my phone's browser control it from there. Like

an MP3 system for a home stereo. It could point to a PC on the network for its build files

and give you the control panel as well.

 

Too much wishful thinking?

 

You want to network something how about parallel computing for Skeinforge? At .23 layer height

it takes 40-60 minutes to gcode a large-ish model on my reasonably decent computer.

 

-b

[mctrivia]

i dont have auto homing yet but my print head is kept in a known
location 99% of the time. for the 1 % it isnt it would be nice to
just use control panel without plugging anything in. the rest of the
time i could be up stairs watching tv with the wife and hit print
button from my tablet and know the print will be waiting for me in a
few hours. computer vision would be great especially if it can pop an
alert up saying that human intervention may be needed.

could one of these do makerbot+cv?
http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-31-guruplug-server-standard.aspx

over $50 but you could sell a nice kit with one of these and a cheap
web cam.

On Oct 22, 9:01 am, Bill Culverhouse <bill.culverho...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Now that's a good example. So what we need is a makerbot, with some type of
> webserver
> attached so I can key in its IP address into my phone's browser control it
> from there. Like
> an MP3 system for a home stereo. It could point to a PC on the network for
> its build files
> and give you the control panel as well.
>
> Too much wishful thinking?
>
> You want to network something how about parallel computing for Skeinforge?
> At .23 layer height
> it takes 40-60 minutes to gcode a large-ish model on my reasonably decent
> computer.
>
> -b
>

> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 8:08 AM, James McCracken <merlin...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > I don't have homing... but would love to add both homing and a nozzle
> > brush.  As it is though I would use network printing if it were
> > available.  My makerbot is on my workbench, I have to lug the portable
> > laptop desk over there to do a print... it'd be great if I could
> > preheat and print without moving my computer...
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[James McCracken]

Wow that guruplug is hot... I was interested in their sheeva plug when
it first came out...

The CV package I use is Intel's OpenCV via EMGU (.NET wrappers) -
haven't tried it but I've heard tell you can compile it for Linux /
Mono... were I programming it, that would be my choice... but this
plug might do the trick...

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[Koen Kooi]

Op 22 okt 2010, om 16:46 heeft James McCracken het volgende geschreven:

> Wow that guruplug is hot... I was interested in their sheeva plug when
> it first came out...

It literally is, it tends to overheat :(

[mctrivia]

that is to bad if they over heat. it is a nice headless package.

On Oct 22, 9:54 am, Koen Kooi <k...@beagleboard.org> wrote:
> Op 22 okt 2010, om 16:46 heeft James McCracken het volgende geschreven:
>
> > Wow that guruplug is hot... I was interested in their sheeva plug when
> > it first came out...
>
> It literally is, it tends to overheat :(
>
>
>
> > The CV package I use is Intel's OpenCV via EMGU (.NET wrappers) -
> > haven't tried it but I've heard tell you can compile it for Linux /
> > Mono... were I programming it, that would be my choice... but this
> > plug might do the trick...
>
> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 10:21 AM, mctrivia
> > <squarerootofnegative...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> i dont have auto homing yet but my print head is kept in a known
> >> location 99% of the time.  for the 1 % it isnt it would be nice to
> >> just use control panel without plugging anything in.  the rest of the
> >> time i could be up stairs watching tv with the wife and hit print
> >> button from my tablet and know the print will be waiting for me in a
> >> few hours.  computer vision would be great especially if it can pop an
> >> alert up saying that human intervention may be needed.
>
> >> could one of these do makerbot+cv?

> >>http://www.globalscaletechnologies.com/p-31-guruplug-server-standard....

> ...
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[lung fish]

I've noticed that my makerbot has problems if the filename is too
long. Try changing the name of the file to a 8.3 format (instead of
"Super_Long_Part_Name_Version42.s3g" call it "part.s3g") and see if
that helps.

-Joe

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[Matt]

I've noticed the same filename weirdness, and I've also that sometimes the extruder and hbp will shut off or have their temperature setpoints go all wonky when I insert an sd card.

[ddurant]

> 8.3 format

Yes. And don't end the filename portion with a number.. Files named
like "part2.s3g" tend to go weird or get eaten, I think..

On Oct 22, 2:58 pm, lung fish <lungof...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've noticed that my makerbot has problems if the filename is too
> long. Try changing the name of the file to a 8.3 format (instead of
> "Super_Long_Part_Name_Version42.s3g" call it "part.s3g") and see if
> that helps.
>
> -Joe
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> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:49 PM, Zip Zap <zzap...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I can build directly to the SD card or hard drive(and put back to SD).
> > However, the motherboard just hangs "building...".  So I'm back to
> > "uploading to SD card" and waiting for over an hour.  I'm using the MBI
> > supplied 1GB SD card.
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[Zip Zap]

I've shortened the file name.  It still doesn't work.

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[Rob Giseburt]

This is probably it waiting to get to temperature. Especially if you have trouble getting to temp or holding temp without big swings. Or if you see packet errors on the console. 

Otherwise, I suggest reformatting the Sd according to the wiki instructions. (Be careful to choose the right drive!)

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