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funmakerBart  
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 More options Nov 16 2012, 12:27 pm
From: funmakerBart <funb...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:27:43 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Nov 16 2012 12:27 pm
Subject: I don't understand the reason of fans in the toolhead of the Replicator

I have been designing a "clip on'" unit for the Replicator for redirecting
the airflow from the fan's to the extruder for cooling. This by turn the
fan's 180 degrees, so blowing in the other direction. By clip on design
there is no need to disassemble the fans, just clamp it between the space
between fan and thermoblock. The clip-ons are changable units for each
extruder for an airflow upwards (to not interfere with the print) and one
blowing under the extruder carriage to cool the print. The units are on the
frontside so it won't affect the X-endstop and the need to adjust the
center of the firmware. Pictures attached.

Now I'm looking closer to the design of the toolheads, I don't understand
some  of the design parameters of the toohead. Maybe somebody has knowledge
about this or sees the logic more.

   - the heating elements of the extruder are connected to
   the aluminium thermoblock. I assume this to have more mass to it so the
   heating elements are more stable in temperature?
   - Where are the fans for?:
      - Do the stepper motors need cooling? If so, then the system of
      cooling with two connections through the thermoblock without Thermical
      pasta is not that great. The fans are not blowing directly to the stepper
      motors. If needed for the steppers, it was better to place them on the
      backside, leaving better sight to the filament path.
      - Does the thermoblock / heating-units need cooling? And why? they
      are switched off/on at the desired temperature.
      - Is it for print cooling? Then the airflow is not quite optimal
      through the openings left between carriage and thermoblock. Also often not
      wanted given unpredictable airflow and therefore tension/splitting in the
      larger prints. There are a  couple of designs to prevent this airflow on
      Thingiverse.
      - ore a combination of above?
   - Now I understand why it is always difficult to mount the fans. The
   fans have holes h.o.h 32mm and the stepper extruder/ thermoblock 31mm.
   Therefore are the spacers to wide -to bridge this size difference- and
   always disappearing in the holes in the bottom of the replicator. Of coarse
   fully understandable holes, because they are for...? DDstarkey has made
   quite a few items to pimp the replicator in technical sense.
   - I thought the plastic plate on the extruders also was intended to
   fasten the extruders that wouldn't make sense. Of course it has to be
   replaced by Beefed up Replicator Extruder bracked by MangoT21 and DDstarkey
   to get a lasting connection with the fillament tubes, but it is resting on
   both the extruders / delrin-unit or cooler, giving friction/tension in that
   plate as well the need to loosen it when dismounting the fans. Wouldn't it
   better to mount the extruder bracket solitair with spacers to the thermo
   block or carriage?
   - about the system with the delrim plunger is said enough and of course
   everybody has to change this to the Minimalistic MK7/MK8 replacement of
   Whosawhatis / Emett

Depending where the fans are for, the mounting could be better imo, not
only because of the difference in measurements between fans and stepper
motor, but also to only give the possibility to disassemble only the unit
you want (so: or fan, or steppermotor, or filament drive-unit) and not the
whole unit. Each time I'm afraid the connector for the wiring is breaking.

Anybody knows about the absolute requirements / reasons? This also because
of the reversing of the fans for the design of the clip-on units I make, by
this the fan is not blowing directly but only ' sucking'  air through the
coolers which leaves less cooling I think.
Bart

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PropellerScience  
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 More options Nov 16 2012, 12:54 pm
From: PropellerScience <akro...@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 09:54:25 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Nov 16 2012 12:54 pm
Subject: Re: I don't understand the reason of fans in the toolhead of the Replicator
I think the fans are for cooling the long aluminum block to keep the
heat away from the filament so it doesn't collapse before getting to
the heater block. After I made the extruder replacements I saw no
reason for the heat sink so I took it off. Now the fans blow directly
on the stepper motors and filament. So far, no trouble.

 
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delsydsoftware  
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 More options Nov 16 2012, 4:33 pm
From: delsydsoftware <delsydsoftw...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:33:05 -0800 (PST)
Local: Fri, Nov 16 2012 4:33 pm
Subject: Re: I don't understand the reason of fans in the toolhead of the Replicator

I played around with removing the cooling fans with on my replicator bowden
experiment. It's a pretty bad idea. What happens is that the aluminum block
soaks up more and more heat until the top of the extruder gets into the
melting range for ABS. The ABS expands and locks into the top of the
extruder nozzle, causing a really nasty jam that was difficult to remove.
It also heated up the ABS carriage for the extruders to a point that would
probably make the plastic sag eventually. Also, the stepper motors do
receive some cooling from the heatsink/fan, so they will likely get very
hot.

To give you an idea of how much heat is transferred by the aluminum bar,
with one extruder on my dual extruder heated to 230C, the other extruder
got up to 120C just from contact with the uncooled aluminum bar.


 
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funmakerBart  
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 More options Nov 19 2012, 11:44 pm
From: funmakerBart <funb...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2012 20:44:59 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Nov 19 2012 11:44 pm
Subject: Re: I don't understand the reason of fans in the toolhead of the Replicator

I uploaded the design of the clip-ons for the fans of the Replicator on
Thingiverse. So more experimenting with air / hairspray / big ABS prints..
http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:34990

Bart

Op vrijdag 16 november 2012 22:33:05 UTC+1 schreef delsydsoftware het
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