interesting, I'm not a lawyer but a quick skim of the T&C's leads me
to believe that anything created using that software is automatically
the property of Autodesk.
I cannot find such a term in it.
Even if, then then would be "surprising".
In my jurisdiction such a surprising clause would not be effective.
I don't know about the legislation in San Rafael, CA of cause.
Marcus
On 19 Mai, 06:44, The Ruttmeister <typea...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> interesting, I'm not a lawyer but a quick skim of the T&C's leads me
> to believe that anything created using that software is automatically
> the property of Autodesk.
> I cannot find such a term in it. > Even if, then then would be "surprising". > In my jurisdiction such a surprising clause would not be effective. > I don't know about the legislation in San Rafael, CA of cause.
> Marcus
> On 19 Mai, 06:44, The Ruttmeister <typea...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > interesting, I'm not a lawyer but a quick skim of the T&C's leads me > > to believe that anything created using that software is automatically > > the property of Autodesk.
> > Anyone else?
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>> I cannot find such a term in it. >> Even if, then then would be "surprising". >> In my jurisdiction such a surprising clause would not be effective. >> I don't know about the legislation in San Rafael, CA of cause.
>> Marcus
>> On 19 Mai, 06:44, The Ruttmeister <typea...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> > interesting, I'm not a lawyer but a quick skim of the T&C's leads me >> > to believe that anything created using that software is automatically >> > the property of Autodesk.
>> > Anyone else?
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<http://123dapp.com/support>I did get an email about it rolling out today and the word free had a * that said * Subject to terms etc... but I didn't explore. So yeah not sure what that means but it must be important enough to put an asterisk on it and point it out.
I'm not an Inventor or Solidworks user but from what I can tell it seems like a lot of nice features.
>> I cannot find such a term in it. >> Even if, then then would be "surprising". >> In my jurisdiction such a surprising clause would not be effective. >> I don't know about the legislation in San Rafael, CA of cause.
>> Marcus
>> On 19 Mai, 06:44, The Ruttmeister <typea...@googlemail.com> wrote: >> > interesting, I'm not a lawyer but a quick skim of the T&C's leads me >> > to believe that anything created using that software is automatically >> > the property of Autodesk.
>> > Anyone else?
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> <http://123dapp.com/support>I did get an email about it rolling out today
> and the word free had a * that said * Subject to terms etc... but I didn't
> explore. So yeah not sure what that means but it must be important enough to
> put an asterisk on it and point it out.
> I'm not an Inventor or Solidworks user but from what I can tell it seems
> like a lot of nice features.
> >> I cannot find such a term in it.
> >> Even if, then then would be "surprising".
> >> In my jurisdiction such a surprising clause would not be effective.
> >> I don't know about the legislation in San Rafael, CA of cause.
> >> Marcus
> >> On 19 Mai, 06:44, The Ruttmeister <typea...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> > interesting, I'm not a lawyer but a quick skim of the T&C's leads me
> >> > to believe that anything created using that software is automatically
> >> > the property of Autodesk.
> >> > Anyone else?
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> I cannot find such a term in it.
> Even if, then then would be "surprising".
> In my jurisdiction such a surprising clause would not be effective.
> I don't know about the legislation in San Rafael, CA of cause.
> Marcus
> On 19 Mai, 06:44, The Ruttmeister <typea...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > interesting, I'm not a lawyer but a quick skim of the T&C's leads me
> > to believe that anything created using that software is automatically
> > the property of Autodesk.
Autodesk has been engineering high level for many decades as very legit. They are credible and not likely to screw up a NEW Market, revolution, evolution for themselves.
I too, did a quick scan last night and I saw the common - we software people have the rights to sell to you and change our product and are not liable for inconveniences - yada, yada, blah.....
-----Original Message----- From: The Ruttmeister <typea...@googlemail.com> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2011 2:16 AM To: MakerBot Operators <makerbot@googlegroups.com> Subject: [MakerBot] Re: 123dapp from Autodesk went live
> I cannot find such a term in it. > Even if, then then would be "surprising". > In my jurisdiction such a surprising clause would not be effective. > I don't know about the legislation in San Rafael, CA of cause.
> Marcus
> On 19 Mai, 06:44, The Ruttmeister <typea...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > interesting, I'm not a lawyer but a quick skim of the T&C's leads me > > to believe that anything created using that software is automatically > > the property of Autodesk.
> > Anyone else?
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* terms and conditions exist in 4 dozen languages but German is
missing
* program is a Beta
* program only exists in US-english
* all the points in "Learn About 123D" do not work on a 64bit Windows
(they try to open an swf as a file and the Adobe web-site says that
the flash player 10.x is no available in 64 bit.)
* lines in sketches are hidden in "draw"
* sketches can be on flat surfaces but not on non-flat ones
* If the model is in metric units, you cannot specify inches for
features (e.g. a 1/4 hole to attach a camera in a metric part)
* the only constraint I have found is "pin down" = lock feature
* I cannot find the operations I did in the model-hierarchy or any
kind of construction-timeline
* I also cannot find a way to temporarily supress and operation, only
parts
* I can enter basic formulas but not variable-names
It seems to be some kind of "Sketchup meets ProE".
Give extremely visual oriented people very basic parametric tools
without allowing much in terms of later modification of the created
object.
Useful for simple modifications to solid models in the usual CAD-
formats and simple 1-off parts.
Not so much for complex parts that you test-print and then modify
earlier steps in the construction history or change any parameters at
all.
Is it just me, or is there no easy way to simply redefine the length of a side (for example). That is you can CHANGE the length, extend or shorten it by a specific length (ie "make this 12mm longer"), but you cannot simply say "make this line 40mm long" like you can on every other CAD program I have ever used. This seems like a major oversight, so I still think I am just missing something, but I spent quite a while trying to figure it out with no luck.
On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Marcus Wolschon <
marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com> wrote: > First impression:
> * terms and conditions exist in 4 dozen languages but German is > missing > * program is a Beta > * program only exists in US-english > * all the points in "Learn About 123D" do not work on a 64bit Windows > (they try to open an swf as a file and the Adobe web-site says that > the flash player 10.x is no available in 64 bit.) > * lines in sketches are hidden in "draw" > * sketches can be on flat surfaces but not on non-flat ones > * If the model is in metric units, you cannot specify inches for > features (e.g. a 1/4 hole to attach a camera in a metric part) > * the only constraint I have found is "pin down" = lock feature > * I cannot find the operations I did in the model-hierarchy or any > kind of construction-timeline > * I also cannot find a way to temporarily supress and operation, only > parts > * I can enter basic formulas but not variable-names
> It seems to be some kind of "Sketchup meets ProE". > Give extremely visual oriented people very basic parametric tools > without allowing much in terms of later modification of the created > object. > Useful for simple modifications to solid models in the usual CAD- > formats and simple 1-off parts. > Not so much for complex parts that you test-print and then modify > earlier steps in the construction history or change any parameters at > all.
> Marcus
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It's not just you. That's exactly what I mean by "change any parameters at all". It seems to have a parametric core but not allow access to the parameters or variables.
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 08:57, Mike Payson <m...@dawgdayz.com> wrote: > Is it just me, or is there no easy way to simply redefine the length of a > side (for example). That is you can CHANGE the length, extend or shorten it > by a specific length (ie "make this 12mm longer"), but you cannot simply say > "make this line 40mm long" like you can on every other CAD program I have > ever used. This seems like a major oversight, so I still think I am just > missing something, but I spent quite a while trying to figure it out with no > luck.
> On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Marcus Wolschon < > marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> First impression:
>> * terms and conditions exist in 4 dozen languages but German is >> missing >> * program is a Beta >> * program only exists in US-english >> * all the points in "Learn About 123D" do not work on a 64bit Windows >> (they try to open an swf as a file and the Adobe web-site says that >> the flash player 10.x is no available in 64 bit.) >> * lines in sketches are hidden in "draw" >> * sketches can be on flat surfaces but not on non-flat ones >> * If the model is in metric units, you cannot specify inches for >> features (e.g. a 1/4 hole to attach a camera in a metric part) >> * the only constraint I have found is "pin down" = lock feature >> * I cannot find the operations I did in the model-hierarchy or any >> kind of construction-timeline >> * I also cannot find a way to temporarily supress and operation, only >> parts >> * I can enter basic formulas but not variable-names
>> It seems to be some kind of "Sketchup meets ProE". >> Give extremely visual oriented people very basic parametric tools >> without allowing much in terms of later modification of the created >> object. >> Useful for simple modifications to solid models in the usual CAD- >> formats and simple 1-off parts. >> Not so much for complex parts that you test-print and then modify >> earlier steps in the construction history or change any parameters at >> all.
>> Marcus
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