Various Questions
Mark Chapman
I have been using Mailsmith for about 4 months now. There are
still a few things I can’t figure out (I have searched the old
manual, the new help, and this list). Here is a list in order of
their priority to me:
1. Emailing groups. According to the 2.2 user manual I can drag
and drop groups from the Address book into Mailsmith. I only
ever get the first email address of the group no matter what I
do with the address window or with address book. If I type all
the addresses into one filed in Address book (separated by
commas). I get a malformed address error. This technique works
find in Mail. How do I define a group to send email to?
2. Filters
- when editing filters how do I resize the box so I can see more
of the filter actions. I can’t figure out how to show more
than 3
- how do I delete an action in the middle of a filter rather
than just the action at the bottom?
3. Undoing Actions
- I don’t know if it should work but I can’t undo moving a
message to the trash mailbox (command Z). I can manually return
it to its original locaiton.
- Actually undo seems to only work in selected places in MS but
I can’t seem to figure out where it works and where it does
not work
4. Import Issues
- for some reason some of the HTML messages I imported from
Eudora show their code. Is there any way to fix this or just
strip off the coding altogther?
5. Emptying trash
- I can’t figure out how to get the trash to empty itself
periodically. Manually emptying the trash works fine
6. Strange Message
- Growl occasionally gives me the message “CHOCK LOCK ENGAGED
OK (USE IT WISELY OR YOU WILL FEEL THE FLESHY PALM”. I tracked
it down to Mailsmith. What is it? A joke?
Issues with discussion but no resolution on the list
1. Problems with Forwards and Redirects
- On my regular account every couple of days a message will not
send (usually one that is automatically being forwarded or
redirected to someone). I get the error message “Attempt to
read or write from a non-open stream (Application error code
23523)” What does this mean?
- I can’t forward/redirect ICS files. I can open them and add
them to iCal. However, I need to forward them to others.
Forwarding, redirecting or dragging the ICS file into a new
message all produces an error when I tried to send the email. It
works if I save the ICS and reattached it to a message.
However, I don't understand why the other methods did not
2. Changing Message Identity (significant discussion but no
resolution elsewhere)
- I get 4 different email addresses forwarded to one address
which is then checked by MS (they do not offer POP access). In
Eudora I could use a filter to change the identity of the
message so that when I replied it would automatically use the
address the email was sent to as the reply to address. How do I
do this in MS?
Thanks,
Mark
Dr. Mark Chapman (519-725-3726)
Teacher / Manager / Researcher
http://www.linkedin.com/in/markdchapman
Charlie Garrison
On 15/12/09 at 12:11 PM -0500, Mark Chapman
>2. Changing Message Identity (significant discussion but no
>resolution elsewhere)
>- I get 4 different email addresses forwarded to one address
>which is then checked by MS (they do not offer POP access). In
>Eudora I could use a filter to change the identity of the
>message so that when I replied it would automatically use the
>address the email was sent to as the reply to address. How do I
>do this in MS?
much info about what you've tried so it's a bit hard to figure
out what the problem is. I'll have a go (bit of mind reading in
the morning can be fun) with the one above.
Create 'send only' accounts in the Accounts window. Enter the
address that messages are sent to as the return address, but
don't enter any POP details. Mailsmith will see the matching
address when messages are received and use that send-only
account when sending replies.
Charlie
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Jason Davies
On 15 Dec 2009, at 17:11, Mark Chapman wrote:
To pick off a couple, almost at random:
> 2. Filters
> - when editing filters how do I resize the box so I can see more
> of the filter actions. I can’t figure out how to show more
> than 3
<http://www.mailsmith.org/contact/>
> - how do I delete an action in the middle of a filter rather
> than just the action at the bottom?
>
> 3. Undoing Actions
> - I don’t know if it should work but I can’t undo moving a
> message to the trash mailbox (command Z). I can manually return
> it to its original locaiton.
> - Actually undo seems to only work in selected places in MS but
> I can’t seem to figure out where it works and where it does
> not work
To empty trash periodically, you would have to use an applescript. You could use one that is attached to the menu item "quit" to empty at that point. Mailsmith is highly scriptable and most heavy users end up extending it via Applescript. My impression (please note, just impression) is that if something is doable by applescript already, it is less likely to get priority when requested.
Personally I run scripts that are triggered every night at 2 am (when I'm not usually using it!) that clear out certain folders by date (three months old, typically.) It goes something like this
tell application "Mailsmith"
activate
set theList to every message of mailbox "temp holding" of mailbox " Current mailboxes"
repeat with i from 1 to count items of theList
set theMessage to item i of theList
set theDate to get time sent of theMessage
set theAge to (current date) - theDate
--set labelindex to label index
-- 259200 seconds = 3 days
--7776000 = 90 days
try
if theAge > 7776000 then delete theMessage
end try
end repeat
end
It's triggered by iCal (a recurring item that calls a script) (it also clears the server by archiving all the messages into Mail -- I only now use Mailsmith for work emails and keep it as lean as possible, Mail is my universal archive for if I delete something I turn out to need).
HTH.
Mark Chapman
I have been trying to use filters to solve this problem so this is a new approach.
Thanks,
Mark
On 12/16/09 at 8:01 PM, garr...@zeta.org.au (Charlie Garrison) wrote:
> Good morning,
>
> On 15/12/09 at 12:11 PM -0500, Mark Chapman
> <mcha...@chass.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
> >2. Changing Message Identity (significant discussion but no
> >resolution elsewhere)
> >- I get 4 different email addresses forwarded to one address
> >which is then checked by MS (they do not offer POP access). In
> >Eudora I could use a filter to change the identity of the
> >message so that when I replied it would automatically use the
> >address the email was sent to as the reply to address. How do I
> >do this in MS?
>
> You've given is a long list of things that "don't work" but not
> much info about what you've tried so it's a bit hard to figure
> out what the problem is. I'll have a go (bit of mind reading in
> the morning can be fun) with the one above.
>
> Create 'send only' accounts in the Accounts window. Enter the
> address that messages are sent to as the return address, but
> don't enter any POP details. Mailsmith will see the matching
> address when messages are received and use that send-only
> account when sending replies.
>
>
> Charlie
>
Mark Chapman
Mark
On 12/16/09 at 8:01 PM, garr...@zeta.org.au (Charlie Garrison) wrote:
> Good morning,
>
> On 15/12/09 at 12:11 PM -0500, Mark Chapman
> <mcha...@chass.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>
> >2. Changing Message Identity (significant discussion but no
> >resolution elsewhere)
> >- I get 4 different email addresses forwarded to one address
> >which is then checked by MS (they do not offer POP access). In
> >Eudora I could use a filter to change the identity of the
> >message so that when I replied it would automatically use the
> >address the email was sent to as the reply to address. How do I
> >do this in MS?
>
> You've given is a long list of things that "don't work" but not
> much info about what you've tried so it's a bit hard to figure
> out what the problem is. I'll have a go (bit of mind reading in
> the morning can be fun) with the one above.
>
> Create 'send only' accounts in the Accounts window. Enter the
> address that messages are sent to as the return address, but
> don't enter any POP details. Mailsmith will see the matching
> address when messages are received and use that send-only
> account when sending replies.
>
>
> Charlie
>
Mark Chapman
Clearly I need to learn applescript :)
Mark
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Jason Davies
On 19 Dec 2009, at 01:59, Mark Chapman wrote:
> Thank you. The option click thing is great.
>
always worth holding down option and scanning menus with Bare Bones software (as Mailsmith 'was'). They use it shrewdly and in a way that you rapidly come to understand intuitively.
> Clearly I need to learn applescript :)
Applescript will help you do all kinds of things in MS. I really like the fact that they sometimes develop that rather than 'just adding a feature' -- in the long run it gives you more. As I've said, the citizens of this list have been fabulously helpful over the years and I owe them a lot (speaking as a rubbish scripter who keeps using it).
After replying to your message I actually changed my script to do what I described. What happens is that certain mailboxes get filters run (mainly ones that clean out read messages that I didn't flag to the trash) and then it deletes everything older than 3 months from the trash. This means that if I get something I think I don't need and delete it, it's still around three weeks later when I discover I did:-) I've posted it below. I tell iCal to run this script with a daily alarm in the middle of the night. The delays are simply to make sure everything downloads in good time and so on (and it archives everything off the server into Mail for those 'more than three months' emails -- I get more of those than I'd like. Essentially Mailsmith is a working place and Mail is purely an archive). I hope it helps - it should be readable even by a novice (?).
The first thing to learn about Applescript is that when emailers add line breaks, it 'breaks' the script because Script Editor can't read it. If you get an error, read it through and look for line breaks that interrupt a command. Each command must be on a single line (ie have no 'return' characters, though it softwraps in Script Editor).
Please also note that the mailbox ids are specific to my set-up. I've commented them out* in case someone runs the script and creates havoc.
*if you put "--" at the beginning of a line, it is ignored (greyed out with italics in Script Editor). This means you can experiment with scripts, temporarily remove lines when debugging etc.
To get the mailbox id to set up filters, use the second script (in case that's helpful -- it's just an example script you can experiment with).
script 1 -- to delete all mail over three months old in Mailsmith.
tell application "Mailsmith" to check mail
delay 100
with timeout of 500 seconds
try
tell application "Mailsmith" to quit
delay 50
end try
--/Users/ophiochos/academic/Mail/Mailsmith User Data
delay 150
tell application "Mailsmith" to activate
tell application "Mail"
activate
check for new mail
end tell
delay 50
tell application "Mail" to quit
end timeout
tell application "Mailsmith"
activate
-- set theList to every message of mailbox "temp holding" of mailbox " Current mailboxes"
--repeat with i from 1 to count items of theList
-- set theMessage to item i of theList
-- set theDate to get time sent of theMessage
-- set theAge to (current date) - theDate
--set labelindex to label index
-- 259200 seconds = 3 days
--7776000 = 90 days
-- try
-- if theAge > 7776000 then delete theMessage
-- end try
--end repeat
set theList to every message of mailbox id 170
repeat with i from 1 to count items of theList
set theMessage to item i of theList
set theDate to get time sent of theMessage
set theAge to (current date) - theDate
--set labelindex to label index
-- 259200 seconds = 3 days
--7776000 = 90 days
try
if theAge > 7776000 then delete theMessage
end try
end repeat
-- refilter mailbox id 268
-- refilter mailbox id 752
-- refilter mailbox id 274
-- refilter mailbox id 364
--refilter mailbox id 1430
end tell
script 2: to get the ID of a mailbox (quickest way to have a script act on a particular mailbox). You just create a new window and hit "paste" or command V to load the script [I wrote this in an amazing hurry and it works. It's got to be the most inelegant way to do what I want, but once written, who cares? It pastes a working script which I can then save.]
tell application "Mailsmith"
set mymailbox to id of selection
set the clipboard to mymailbox as string
end tell
tell application "AppleScript Editor"
activate
set the clipboard to "tell application \"Mailsmith\"
activate
move selection to mailbox id " & (the clipboard) & return & "end"
end tell
Mark Chapman
Hopefully, I will get a few hours over the holidays to experiment.
While I don’t want to do exactly what you are doing I do have
need to archive to a Filemaker database and I expect some of
what I learn from your scripts will help.
Thanks again,
Mark
lumin...@gmail.com
> I do have need to archive to a Filemaker database
Amen, brother
Mark Chapman
This morning MS crashed on me (for no obvious reason). Crash log
reports Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001) and Codes:
KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000000.
When I re-opened MS everything appears to be in order. As far as
I can tell there was no data loss. However, in the sidebar of
the mail browser my inbox and spam box have an incorrect count
of the messages in those mailboxes. The count under the actual
mailbox is correct.
How do I fix this?
Is there any way to check for data loss? I can restore from this
mornings backup if necessary.
Thanks,
Mark
Rich Siegel
Chapman) wrote:
>This morning MS crashed on me (for no obvious reason). Crash log
>reports Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001) and Codes:
>KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000000.
By itself, this is unfortunately not helpful. Did you use the
crash reporter to submit the crash log?
>When I re-opened MS everything appears to be in order. As far as I can
>tell there was no data loss. However, in the sidebar of the mail
>browser my inbox and spam box have an incorrect count of the messages
>in those mailboxes. The count under the actual mailbox is correct.
>
>How do I fix this?
Launching the application with the Shift key held down will
discard the cached information and force a recount. If you have
a lot of mail this will take a while.
R.
--
Rich Siegel Mailsmith Maintainer
<sie...@mailsmith.org> <http://www.mailsmith.org/>
Mark Chapman
Thanks for the quick reply.
I don’t remember if I submitted the crash log but I have
included it below.
I will try the recount.
Thanks again,
Mark
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Host Name: PowerMac-G4
Date/Time: 2010-02-18 10:35:56.941 -0500
OS Version: 10.4.11 (Build 8S165)
Report Version: 4
Command: Mailsmith
Path: /Applications/Internet/Email/Mailsmith.app/Contents/MacOS/Mailsmith
Parent: WindowServer [130]
Version: 2.2.5 (314)
PID: 404
Thread: 0
Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000000
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