hold your flame-throwers, because this is about how to get ssh working
from an outside computer into my brand new "tao" that is running a
flavor of linux. I just got my quad i5 box to replace the old, broken
tao. this was the box with the busted USB. [!] Anyway, linux is installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh *out*. to my
server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back in.
doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant
"Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string like
"Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards or setup
wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.}
anybody know what im NOT doing?
gary
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Gary Kline <kl...@thought.org> wrote:
> hold your flame-throwers, because this is about how to get
you do not allow us some fun?
> ssh working from an outside computer into my brand new "tao" that is
> running a flavor of linux. I just got my quad i5 box to replace the
> old, broken tao. this was the box with the busted USB. [!] Anyway,
> linux is installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh
> *out*. to my server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back
> in.
> doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant
> "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string
> like "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards or setup
> wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.}
> anybody know what im NOT doing?
Proper setup?
Firewall?
inetd?
It sounds like something very, very obvious. But I know how it feels if
one cannot see the tiny thing.
On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> Anyway, linux is > installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh *out*. to my
> server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back in.
> doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant
> "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string like
> "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards or setup
> wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.}
Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server?
The way _how_ to enable it depends on the distribution you're
using and is very different among the Linusi.
The FreeBSD equivalent would be something like
# /etc/rc.d/sshd start
or putting sshd_enable="YES" into /etc/rc.conf to have this
task at boot.
Depending on what Linux you are using, this may be as easy as
on FreeBSD... or overcomplicated, because "nobody needs this
anyway". :-)
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running sshd ? :)
Have you installed it ? sshd is the server program, it is fairly
independent from ssh, the client program.
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On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 12:36:59PM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> Hi,
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800
> Gary Kline <kl...@thought.org> wrote:
> > hold your flame-throwers, because this is about how to get
> you do not allow us some fun?
> > ssh working from an outside computer into my brand new "tao" that is
> > running a flavor of linux. I just got my quad i5 box to replace the
> > old, broken tao. this was the box with the busted USB. [!] Anyway,
> > linux is installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh
> > *out*. to my server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back
> > in.
> > doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant
> > "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string
> > like "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards or setup
> > wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.}
> > anybody know what im NOT doing?
> Proper setup?
> Firewall?
> inetd?
> It sounds like something very, very obvious. But I know how it feels if
> one cannot see the tiny thing.
> Erich
hmmm. about the Only thing I havent tried is a "theraputic reboot."
tomorrow. im tempted to hit the power button! I'l wait.
gary
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On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> > Anyway, linux is > > installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh *out*. to my
> > server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back in.
> > doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant
> > "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string like
> > "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards or setup
> > wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.}
> Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server?
ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to comparing tao to ethic.
> The way _how_ to enable it depends on the distribution you're
> using and is very different among the Linusi.
rt., and this is fedora, my least fav distro. But I've always had
trouble with ssh, even with FBSD.
> The FreeBSD equivalent would be something like
> # /etc/rc.d/sshd start
> or putting sshd_enable="YES" into /etc/rc.conf to have this
> task at boot.
> Depending on what Linux you are using, this may be as easy as
> on FreeBSD... or overcomplicated, because "nobody needs this
> anyway". :-)
no mo' energy. I hear my bed singing sirens' songs:)
5 mins later: I ssh'd from tao to ethic then used the ssh-vvv
for debug. Somewhere this string shoewd up. as noted, this is from OBSD:
SSH2_MSG_IGNORE
so if anybody running openbsd or fedora, or anybody who has stubbed
his toe this way, give a hollar.
S'All,
gary
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> Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:57:21 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> > > Anyway, linux is > > > installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh *out*. to my
> > > server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back in.
> > > doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant
> > > "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string like
> > > "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards or setup
> > > wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.}
> > Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server?
> ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to comparing > tao to ethic.
The dhclient is a client (just as the ssh program), while
the system has to run some kind of SSH _server_ (sshd on
FreeBSD for example). Additionally, network configuration
and especially firewall has to _permit_ the access to that
specific service (that has to be enabled).
> > The way _how_ to enable it depends on the distribution you're
> > using and is very different among the Linusi.
> rt., and this is fedora, my least fav distro. But I've always had
> trouble with ssh, even with FBSD.
There is a nice summary on how to get the OpenSSH server
set up on Fedora:
Basically, it's about installing and enabling it. The article
also discusses how to enable configure the firewall properly.
-- Polytropon
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Gary Kline <kl...@thought.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> > > Anyway, linux is > > > installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh
> > > *out*. to my server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh
> > > back in.
> > > doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant
> > > "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a
> > > string like "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards
> > > or setup wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from
> > > OpenBSD.}
> > Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server?
> ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:10:33 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> Hi,
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:57:21 -0800
> Gary Kline <kl...@thought.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> > > > Anyway, linux is > > > > installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh
> > > > *out*. to my server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh
> > > > back in.
> > > > doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant
> > > > "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a
> > > > string like "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards
> > > > or setup wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from
> > > > OpenBSD.}
> > > Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server?
> > ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to
> you wanted to say 'jawohl'?
Jawohl mein Herr! :-)
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On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:08:12AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:57:21 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> > > > Anyway, linux is > > > > installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh *out*. to my
> > > > server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back in.
> > > > doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant
> > > > "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string like
> > > > "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards or setup
> > > > wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.}
> > > Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server?
> > ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to comparing > > tao to ethic.
> The dhclient is a client (just as the ssh program), while
> the system has to run some kind of SSH _server_ (sshd on
> FreeBSD for example). Additionally, network configuration
> and especially firewall has to _permit_ the access to that
> specific service (that has to be enabled).
hmmm. that might be it. my firewall is in a nice small, 4w netgear
box. it's got a web interface and runs some flavor of firewall that I never studied. yuk.
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 03:10:33PM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> Hi,
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:57:21 -0800
> Gary Kline <kl...@thought.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> > > > Anyway, linux is > > > > installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh
> > > > *out*. to my server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh
> > > > back in.
> > > > doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant
> > > > "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a
> > > > string like "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards
> > > > or setup wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from
> > > > OpenBSD.}
> > > Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server?
> > ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to
> you wanted to say 'jawohl'?
> Erich
Ha! yes! I did not know it was one word, but should have remembered
the "v" should be a "w" ...
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On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:12:55AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:10:33 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > Hi,
> > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:57:21 -0800
> > Gary Kline <kl...@thought.org> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> > > > > Anyway, linux is > > > > > installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh
> > > > > *out*. to my server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh
> > > > > back in.
> > > > > doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant
> > > > > "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a
> > > > > string like "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards
> > > > > or setup wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from
> > > > > OpenBSD.}
> > > > Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server?
> > > ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to
> > you wanted to say 'jawohl'?
> Jawohl mein Herr! :-)
What, no comma!?
:)
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Gary Kline <kl...@thought.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:12:55AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:10:33 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:57:21 -0800
> > > Gary Kline <kl...@thought.org> wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> > > > > > Anyway, linux is > > > > > > installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can
> > > > > > ssh *out*. to my server, vut from my server or wherever, I
> > > > > > cant ssh back in.
> > > > > > doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an
> > > > > > instant "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get
> > > > > > a string like "Connnection closed". can any of you network
> > > > > > wizards or setup wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff
> > > > > > is from OpenBSD.}
> > > > > Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server?
> > > > ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to
> > > you wanted to say 'jawohl'?
> > Jawohl mein Herr! :-)
> What, no comma!?
what the Playboy did to the German language ...
Playboy's German tag line missed out on a comma too. It was obviously a
mistake. I have heard that they brought it back after decades of no
comma in the tag line.
You know, while in other countries man could say that they read Playboy
only because of the articles, in Germany they read Playboy only to check
on the comma.
On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:08:12AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:57:21 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> > > > Anyway, linux is > > > > installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh *out*. to my
> > > > server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back in.
> > > > doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant
> > > > "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string like
> > > > "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards or setup
> > > > wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.}
> > > Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server?
> > ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to comparing > > tao to ethic.
> The dhclient is a client (just as the ssh program), while
> the system has to run some kind of SSH _server_ (sshd on
> FreeBSD for example). Additionally, network configuration
> and especially firewall has to _permit_ the access to that
> specific service (that has to be enabled).
and I believe you need to give the full path name; that's one of the things ii just did.
> > > The way _how_ to enable it depends on the distribution you're
> > > using and is very different among the Linusi.
> > rt., and this is fedora, my least fav distro. But I've always had
> > trouble with ssh, even with FBSD.
> There is a nice summary on how to get the OpenSSH server
> set up on Fedora:
> Basically, it's about installing and enabling it. The article
> also discusses how to enable configure the firewall properly.
well, it works. im not sure what I did, but no comp;laints!
I'm running pfSense in a netgear box. before I rebooted, my
local IP ended in .114; after and now it moved to .113. when I did an ssh 10.47.0.113, voila! the new tao requested my password.
and I was in. and go ssh back and forth. Whew!
thanks for the help, guys.
gary
ps: I'v got to figure out how to remove gnome and install kde, &c, but at least that should be easy.
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On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:47:48AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> Hi,
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:00:07 -0800
> Gary Kline <kl...@thought.org> wrote:
> > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:12:55AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:10:33 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > > ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to
> > > > you wanted to say 'jawohl'?
> > > Jawohl mein Herr! :-)
> > What, no comma!?
> what the Playboy did to the German language ...
> Playboy's German tag line missed out on a comma too. It was obviously a
> mistake. I have heard that they brought it back after decades of no
> comma in the tag line.
do you mean that it was "Play boy"? or what? what was the tag line?
> You know, while in other countries man could say that they read Playboy
> only because of the articles, in Germany they read Playboy only to check
> on the comma.
:-) funny. I, of course, =always= read playboy for the articles,
just like every other guy. {that line goes back to the early
1970s. at least.}
Gary Kline <kl...@thought.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:47:48AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > Hi,
> > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:00:07 -0800
> > Gary Kline <kl...@thought.org> wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:12:55AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:10:33 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to
> > > > > you wanted to say 'jawohl'?
> > > > Jawohl mein Herr! :-)
> > > What, no comma!?
> > what the Playboy did to the German language ...
> > Playboy's German tag line missed out on a comma too. It was
> > obviously a mistake. I have heard that they brought it back after
> > decades of no comma in the tag line.
> do you mean that it was "Play boy"? or what? what was the tag
> line?
Playboy alles was Maennern Spass macht
Playboy corrected this meanwhile as you can see on www.playboy.de.
Just on the side. Does playboy.com still mirror FreeBSD as they did
many years ago?
Erich
> > You know, while in other countries man could say that they read
> > Playboy only because of the articles, in Germany they read Playboy
> > only to check on the comma.
> :-) funny. I, of course, =always= read playboy for the
> articles, just like every other guy. {that line goes back to the
> early 1970s. at least.}
A brother-in-law does this for another professional reason. He does or
did those days plastic surgery and has had to see the results of other
people's work. Of course, he was also interested in the articles.
Listening to his comments was more fun than reading the humour page of
Playboy.
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 10:50:40 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:08:12AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 23:57:21 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 06:39:52AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:22:00 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> > > > > Anyway, linux is > > > > > installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh *out*. to my
> > > > > server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back in.
> > > > > doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant
> > > > > "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string like
> > > > > "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards or setup
> > > > > wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.}
> > > > Have you checked that tao is actually running a SSH server?
> > > ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to comparing > > > tao to ethic.
> > The dhclient is a client (just as the ssh program), while
> > the system has to run some kind of SSH _server_ (sshd on
> > FreeBSD for example). Additionally, network configuration
> > and especially firewall has to _permit_ the access to that
> > specific service (that has to be enabled).
> hmmm. that might be it. my firewall is in a nice small, 4w netgear
> box. it's got a web interface and runs some flavor of firewall that > I never studied. yuk.
I assume your "HW firewall" protects you to the outside. Of
course it should allow SSH connections from the outside to
the "tao" box _if_ you want it that way.
But I was thinking about the firewall run by the Fedora OS
that might block SSH connections to "tao", no matter from
where they come, just as if you would have set up FreeBSD's
ipfw with the default to deny connections: without explicitely
enabling SSH connections the server cannot be reached, no
matter if it's running.
> > Basically, it's about installing and enabling it. The article
> > also discusses how to enable configure the firewall properly.
> thank you. I'll ck it out. also google other stuff if I have to.
Check if the Techotopia article matches your version of Fedora.
It shows how to install and enable the SSH server and also
mentions the "built-in" firewall that has to be configured
to allow connections to that server.
From my limited experience with Fedora (haven't used it for some
time), this looks like what you need to do.
-- Polytropon
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> hold your flame-throwers, because this is about how to get ssh working
> from an outside computer into my brand new "tao" that is running a
> flavor of linux. I just got my quad i5 box to replace the old, broken
> tao. this was the box with the busted USB. [!] Anyway, linux is
> installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh *out*. to my
> server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back in.
> doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant
> "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string like
> "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards or setup
> wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.}
> anybody know what im NOT doing?
You have to start the ssh daemon (sshd)
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:26:00 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> Hi,
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:07:38 -0800
> Gary Kline <kl...@thought.org> wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:47:48AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:00:07 -0800
> > > Gary Kline <kl...@thought.org> wrote:
> > > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 09:12:55AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 15:10:33 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > ja vohl. futher dhclient is there. I'll go back to
> > > > > > you wanted to say 'jawohl'?
> > > > > Jawohl mein Herr! :-)
> > > > What, no comma!?
> > > what the Playboy did to the German language ...
> > > Playboy's German tag line missed out on a comma too. It was
> > > obviously a mistake. I have heard that they brought it back after
> > > decades of no comma in the tag line.
> > do you mean that it was "Play boy"? or what? what was the tag
> > line?
> Playboy alles was Maennern Spass macht
Ouch.
Unlike in English, the comma in German is an important symbol
in grammar. It brings structure to sentences. In English, there
is the "word order" that achieves this goal, and a comma is
mostly optional or "left to preferences". In German, there are
rules where to place a comma, and where not to. Those rules
are relatively easy to understand, and luckily they do not
leave much space for individual preferences. :-)
In the above example,
Playboy, alles was Maennern Spass macht
or better using a hyphen
Playboy - alles was Maennern Spass macht
would have been correct, as it's shown on the current web page
in a correct manner.
-- Polytropon
Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 03:58:14AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:26:00 +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > Hi,
> > On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 17:07:38 -0800
> > Gary Kline <kl...@thought.org> wrote:
> > > On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:47:48AM +0700, Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > Playboy alles was Maennern Spass macht
> Ouch.
> Unlike in English, the comma in German is an important symbol
> in grammar. It brings structure to sentences. In English, there
> is the "word order" that achieves this goal, and a comma is
> mostly optional or "left to preferences". In German, there are
> rules where to place a comma, and where not to. Those rules
> are relatively easy to understand, and luckily they do not
> leave much space for individual preferences. :-)
> In the above example,
> Playboy, alles was Maennern Spass macht
> or better using a hyphen
> Playboy - alles was Maennern Spass macht
> would have been correct, as it's shown on the current web page
> in a correct manner.
So! this explains a lot that I've noticed over the years.
remember that im beyong =getting= old; I really Am old.
before I started high school, the rules for commas were
almost set in concrete. my english teacher took points off
if there was an incorrect comma. it looks like in germany
language has remained very strict. {but then, that's why punctuation exists.}
I've noticed an easing of punctuation--esp'ly in the use of
commas--in how I was taught. but let's face it: it's easier to text by slacking off. :)
> -- > Polytropon
> Magdeburg, Germany
> Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
> Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
-- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix
Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community.
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 02:35:43AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> > box. it's got a web interface and runs some flavor of firewall that > > I never studied. yuk.
> I assume your "HW firewall" protects you to the outside. Of
> course it should allow SSH connections from the outside to
> the "tao" box _if_ you want it that way.
my netgear and pfSense setup surprised me this afternoon. the
initial setup listed my internal IP as
10.47.0.114,
but something I did changed the DHCP leases section to
10.47.0.113 .
after that, I could ssh out and then ssh back to tao.
> But I was thinking about the firewall run by the Fedora OS
> that might block SSH connections to "tao", no matter from
> where they come, just as if you would have set up FreeBSD's
> ipfw with the default to deny connections: without explicitely
> enabling SSH connections the server cannot be reached, no
> matter if it's running.
I havent used ipfw for many years. the most recent firewall I ran was on FBSD 5.X and was {i think} "pfw". I got quite good
at it. I should learn more about plain "pf" and pfSense.
do you know if pf/pfsense defaults to DENY incoming connections?
that would explain a Lot!
> > > Basically, it's about installing and enabling it. The article
> > > also discusses how to enable configure the firewall properly.
> > thank you. I'll ck it out. also google other stuff if I have to.
> Check if the Techotopia article matches your version of Fedora.
> It shows how to install and enable the SSH server and also
> mentions the "built-in" firewall that has to be configured
> to allow connections to that server.
the URL you had was fedora-13; what I installed fedora-17.
and just recently--maybe when I rebooted--i saw fedora-19[?]
not sure... .
> >From my limited experience with Fedora (haven't used it for some
> time), this looks like what you need to do.
well, the deal is that my volunteer system admin worked for red hat for about 5 years. I'm more used to ubuntu, but my
friend says that im on my own....
anyway, things are starting to eork. [!]
> -- > Polytropon
> Magdeburg, Germany
> Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
> Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
-- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix
Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community.
> Unlike in English, the comma in German is an important symbol
> in grammar. It brings structure to sentences. In English, there
> is the "word order" that achieves this goal, and a comma is
> mostly optional or "left to preferences". In German, there are
> rules where to place a comma, and where not to. Those rules
> are relatively easy to understand, and luckily they do not
> leave much space for individual preferences. :-)
> In the above example,
> Playboy, alles was Maennern Spass macht
> or better using a hyphen
> Playboy - alles was Maennern Spass macht
> would have been correct, as it's shown on the current web page
> in a correct manner.
To be fair, a lot of the same rules exist for English. The comma is not optional or left to preferences in English, either. There are definite rules and it brings structure. Unfortunately, lots of people forget (or don't pay attention to) these rules, or, they are casual with them in the casual forms of communication, like email. (And there are some people who believe that the "text" language is English -- OMG, WTF, GR8, B4, LOL, etc -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Text_language )
Wie mit deutscher Sprache, man kann (mit englischer Sprache) vieles mit der Wortstellung machen. Und dazu, ist, natürlich, die richtige Anwendung (und Verständnis) der Grammatik wichtig.
(Like with the German language, one can do a lot with word order (in English). And for that, the proper use and understanding of Grammar is important)
Und "Playboy alles was Maennern Spass macht" ist 100% verständlich auf deutsch, da es einen richtigen Dativ Kasus gibt, im Gegensatz zu englischer Sprache.
(and "playboy -- everything that is fun for men" [in German] is 100% understandable in German, because there is a real dative case in German, unlike in english.)
On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:01:20AM +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote:
> 2012-11-13 06:22, Gary Kline skrev:
> > guys,
> > hold your flame-throwers, because this is about how to get ssh working
> > from an outside computer into my brand new "tao" that is running a
> > flavor of linux. I just got my quad i5 box to replace the old, broken
> > tao. this was the box with the busted USB. [!] Anyway, linux is
> > installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh *out*. to my
> > server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back in.
> > doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant
> > "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string like
> > "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards or setup
> > wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.}
> > anybody know what im NOT doing?
> You have to start the ssh daemon (sshd)
this may have been what did the trick; also, you need the full path.
-- Gary Kline kl...@thought.org http://www.thought.org Public Service Unix
Twenty-six years of service to the Unix community.
On Tue, 13 Nov 2012 20:09:08 -0800, Gary Kline wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 02:35:43AM +0100, Polytropon wrote:
> > > box. it's got a web interface and runs some flavor of firewall that > > > I never studied. yuk.
> > I assume your "HW firewall" protects you to the outside. Of
> > course it should allow SSH connections from the outside to
> > the "tao" box _if_ you want it that way.
> my netgear and pfSense setup surprised me this afternoon. the
> initial setup listed my internal IP as
> 10.47.0.114,
> but something I did changed the DHCP leases section to
> 10.47.0.113 .
> after that, I could ssh out and then ssh back to tao.
If you have the option of configuring the DHCP subsystem to
hand out IPs according to MAC addresses, that should make you
safe from reboots and _possible_ new IPs. (At least that's
how I've configured my home system so every device will get
the same IP, no matter how or when it requests one from the
DHCP server. It also includes certain port redirections so
a SSH request from external source will _always_ be directed
to the _correct_ machine on the LAN.)
> > But I was thinking about the firewall run by the Fedora OS
> > that might block SSH connections to "tao", no matter from
> > where they come, just as if you would have set up FreeBSD's
> > ipfw with the default to deny connections: without explicitely
> > enabling SSH connections the server cannot be reached, no
> > matter if it's running.
> I havent used ipfw for many years. the most recent firewall I > ran was on FBSD 5.X and was {i think} "pfw". I got quite good
> at it. I should learn more about plain "pf" and pfSense.
> do you know if pf/pfsense defaults to DENY incoming connections?
> that would explain a Lot!
That depends on the pre-configuration of the firewall on the
Linux side. From reading the article I've mentioned, I got the
impression that the firewall would deny SSH connections per
default, and that _you_ would have to enable it if you wanted
to use that service. That is comparable to OpenBSD's "service
disabled by default" policy. I'm still not sure if this idea
will get much love or understanding in Linux land where an
"do everything out of the box" experience seems to be very
important among some distributions. :-)
On FreeBSD, ipfw can DEFAULT_TO_DENY or DEFAULT_TO_ACCEPT, and you
have to specify your rules usually according to the chosen paradigm.
Of course, there are rules to achieve the same effect, even if in
the opposite paradigm.
> > > > Basically, it's about installing and enabling it. The article
> > > > also discusses how to enable configure the firewall properly.
> > > thank you. I'll ck it out. also google other stuff if I have to.
> > Check if the Techotopia article matches your version of Fedora.
> > It shows how to install and enable the SSH server and also
> > mentions the "built-in" firewall that has to be configured
> > to allow connections to that server.
> the URL you had was fedora-13; what I installed fedora-17.
> and just recently--maybe when I rebooted--i saw fedora-19[?]
> not sure... .
Then there's the possibility that things have changed. Even though
there should not be a massive or paradigm-wide shift in things, you
never know when using automated updating on Linux. Still the instructions should be usable at least to identify the steps
involved and the tools to be used.
-- Polytropon
Magdeburg, Germany
Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0
Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...
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> On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 04:01:20AM +0100, Bernt Hansson wrote:
>> 2012-11-13 06:22, Gary Kline skrev:
>>> guys,
>>> hold your flame-throwers, because this is about how to get ssh working
>>> from an outside computer into my brand new "tao" that is running a
>>> flavor of linux. I just got my quad i5 box to replace the old, broken
>>> tao. this was the box with the busted USB. [!] Anyway, linux is
>>> installed; the box is on my internal IP net. I can ssh *out*. to my
>>> server, vut from my server or wherever, I cant ssh back in.
>>> doing an % ssh 10.47.0.114 OR ssh tao gives me an instant
>>> "Connection refused". if I try an ssh -X tao I get a string like
>>> "Connnection closed". can any of you network wizards or setup
>>> wizards clue me in. {FWIW:: the ssh stuff is from OpenBSD.}
>>> anybody know what im NOT doing?
>> You have to start the ssh daemon (sshd)
> this may have been what did the trick; also, you need the full > path.
If you don't have it in your env, then you need the full path.
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