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Sean Collins

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Sep 23, 2009, 11:13:02 PM9/23/09
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I heartily agree with the sentiment that this discussion has yielded =20
no discernible value and has instead left some with bruised egos, and =20=

I must say that the lack of _CODE_ is telling.

Look, if you think Sendmail and BIND are indeed egregious and far too =20=

bloated for your taste, please put your money where your mouth is and =20=

release a patch implementing the desired functionality, or reduction =20
in functionality. I use Sendmail and BIND to put food on my table and =20=

beer in my fridge, so naturally I'm going to be against any change in =20=

the base. However, if I am given a nice and easy option at =20
installation, where BIND and Sendmail are installed as an extra, =20
similar to the WWW option in sysinstall, I'm not going to be opposed =20
to it.

That's my two cents as FreeBSD user. Take it for what it's worth.


Thank You,
Sean Collins


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Bakul Shah

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Sep 24, 2009, 4:05:34 AM9/24/09
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On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:37:25 BST Robert Watson <rwa...@FreeBSD.org> wrote:
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> The current blend of components is largely historical, modeling the mix found
> in BSD UNIX, and strikes a hard-to-characterize balance between the logical
> extremes "we ship a minimally bootstrapping system" and "we ship every
> application under the sun". This means for most parts of the base system
> there will be someone who argues it belongs there, and someone who argues that
> it doesn't.

What would be nice is if the install CDs came with a small
number of "profiles" (mini, midi & maxi) and made it easy to
pick a profile and install/upgrade to the system described in
it. Nicer still would be if there was a way to create custom
profiles for specific purposes. Then you have an easy way to
clone the same setup to multiple machines. [Not that it would
stop such arguments....] I am sure we have been here before!

Martin P. Hellwig

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Sep 24, 2009, 5:43:19 AM9/24/09
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Bakul Shah wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Sep 2009 00:37:25 BST Robert Watson <rwa...@FreeBSD.org> wrote:
>> The current blend of components is largely historical, modeling the mix found
>> in BSD UNIX, and strikes a hard-to-characterize balance between the logical
>> extremes "we ship a minimally bootstrapping system" and "we ship every
>> application under the sun". This means for most parts of the base system
>> there will be someone who argues it belongs there, and someone who argues that
>> it doesn't.
>
> What would be nice is if the install CDs came with a small
> number of "profiles" (mini, midi & maxi) and made it easy to
> pick a profile and install/upgrade to the system described in
> it. Nicer still would be if there was a way to create custom
> profiles for specific purposes. Then you have an easy way to
> clone the same setup to multiple machines. [Not that it would
> stop such arguments....] I am sure we have been here before!

So what is stopping you? ;-)
Seriously though, it is not that hard to make your own custom
installation, I would guess that by the time this thread has finally
died each participant in favour of removing/replacing X had sufficient
time to build their own custom installation. Who knows, if that proves
to be more popular maybe it will flow back down stream.

But I guess that generally speaking it is easier to bicker about the
colour of your neighbours shed than to pick up a brush and paint your own.

--
MPH
http://blog.dcuktec.com
'If consumed, best digested with added seasoning to own preference.'

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