Adaptec 2940UW booting problems
Normand Leclerc
Lately, I added a cdwriter to my scsi bus (2940UW adaptec card on
164sx system). It is a yamaha 8424. Since then, my scsi bus is having
difficulties: it gets reset way too often (sometimes 3 times one shot!)
as if there was a termination problem. I checked the terminations,
changed the cable and I still get the problem. It is weird since uppon
system reset, it never resets twice. Only SRM and loader do it.
It is as if the bus was reset too fast. When it gets reset twice,
scsi bus poling fails and I get only two devices (dva0 and pka). Has
anyone else seen this problem. I'm about to change the card for a 2940
to see if it's the card but I just wanted to know it this problem has
been seen.
Normand Leclerc
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Yoriaki FUJIMORI
I wonder if your pc164sx boots fine on one of scsi disks with 2940uw
before connecting a Yamaha cd-r writer.
I have got alphapc164 and pc164lx boxes in my lab, and they refuse
working well with 2940uw.
You can probably check setting of the SRM variables, like
pka0_fast
pci_parity
etc.
Is Yamaha a fast scsi device?
Yoriaki Fujimori
w...@freebie.demon.nl
machine, I think a UP1000 might understand Adaptecs). So, things like
pk* settings do not matter to these adapters
Wilko
David O'Brien
> Lately, I added a cdwriter to my scsi bus (2940UW adaptec card on
> 164sx system). It is a yamaha 8424. Since then, my scsi bus is having
> difficulties: it gets reset way too often (sometimes 3 times one shot!)
> as if there was a termination problem. I checked the terminations,
> changed the cable and I still get the problem. It is weird since uppon
> system reset, it never resets twice. Only SRM and loader do it.
You didn't mention what other devices are connected to your 2940uw and on
which connectors of it. Since SRM does not see the 2940uw, I am curious
how you boot.
I would look for a Symbios controler (cheep on eBay), or Qlogics 1040.
Yoriaki FUJIMORI
I know 2940uw is detected by SRM of some pc164lx and up1000/1100.
But, I have got no pc164sx at hand.
So, I was curious if it boots on pc164sx.
Yoriaki Fujimori
Normand Leclerc
(yes, it's a fast ultra scsi ), I booted without any problem. I have two
barracudas (one 2gigs, one 4 gigs ultra), one cheetah (9.1 gigs ultra),
one CDROM NEC-222 and the Yamaha 8424, all on the narrow interface.
The SRM sees the adapter as pka7 which is fine. The adapter can be
configured using the Alphabios. I really don't see why you guys aren't
seeing it on SRM. I have the last SRM console for the SX which is 5.7 I
beleive. Anyways, if you guys tell me this card is hardly supported,
then I should change it. I don't like it tough. I always liked Adaptec
scsi cards on PCs... I hardly know the other brands tough. Symbios and
Qlogic ... Any good?
Do you have the same problem with the 2940? If so, then it's of no
use to try it. It is weird, I really can boot with this card...
Normand Leclerc
lecn...@ele.etsmtl.ca
> Adaptecs are not recognised by the SRM (unless you have a very recent
> machine, I think a UP1000 might understand Adaptecs). So, things like
> pk* settings do not matter to these adapters
>
> Wilko
>
> > I wonder if your pc164sx boots fine on one of scsi disks with 2940uw
> > before connecting a Yamaha cd-r writer.
> > I have got alphapc164 and pc164lx boxes in my lab, and they refuse
> > working well with 2940uw.
> >
> > You can probably check setting of the SRM variables, like
> > pka0_fast
> > pci_parity
> > etc.
> >
> > Is Yamaha a fast scsi device?
> >
Justin T. Gibbs
I like to think that it is supported, but as the maintainer of the
driver, perhaps I'm somewhat biased.
Can you provide any additional information about the problem? Dumping
the kernel messages to another machine via a serial console would be
a really good start.
--
Justin
David O'Brien
> The SRM sees the adapter as pka7 which is fine. The adapter can be
I would really, really like to see the output of
"show dev"
and
"show conf" (cfg, cnfg, which ever it is)
for this machine.
> configured using the Alphabios.
AlphaBIOS is a totally different beast, and it does support Adaptec
controllers.
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Normand Leclerc
boot. I've never seen this problem and I know it is not related to your
work on the driver as SRM console is doing the bug. I'd like to know why
the SRM has to reset the bus so often tough. It resets it first to get
the devices. Then when I boot, it gets another reset, loader kicks in,
resets again and then FreeBSD resets it last. I found that FreeBSD
resets the bus correctly as I've never had problems beyond the loader.
Usually, I get dummy scsi resets when SRM tries to find devices or when
loader resets it. The problem looks like a reset command is sent to the
bus and is bouncing back and forth from adapter to last device... I
tought about cable, termination, now it's up to the card itself...
I don't know about resetting slow devices too fast, can it do
something like this? I mean, my CDROM is very slow to reset and the
Yamaha is quite slow too.
Normand Leclerc
lecn...@ele.etsmtl.ca
"Justin T. Gibbs" wrote:
> >Anyways, if you guys tell me this card is hardly supported,
>
> I like to think that it is supported, but as the maintainer of the
> driver, perhaps I'm somewhat biased.
>
> Can you provide any additional information about the problem? Dumping
> the kernel messages to another machine via a serial console would be
> a really good start.
>
> --
> Justin
Wilko Bulte
> (yes, it's a fast ultra scsi ), I booted without any problem. I have two
> barracudas (one 2gigs, one 4 gigs ultra), one cheetah (9.1 gigs ultra),
> one CDROM NEC-222 and the Yamaha 8424, all on the narrow interface.
>
> seeing it on SRM. I have the last SRM console for the SX which is 5.7 I
Because SRM does not support Adaptecs.
> beleive. Anyways, if you guys tell me this card is hardly supported,
It is. Really. Believe us. Check the Compaq/DEC documentation.
> then I should change it. I don't like it tough. I always liked Adaptec
> scsi cards on PCs... I hardly know the other brands tough. Symbios and
> Qlogic ... Any good?
Yes.
> Do you have the same problem with the 2940? If so, then it's of no
> use to try it. It is weird, I really can boot with this card...
Not with SRM.
> Normand Leclerc
> lecn...@ele.etsmtl.ca
>
>
>
> > Adaptecs are not recognised by the SRM (unless you have a very recent
> > machine, I think a UP1000 might understand Adaptecs). So, things like
> > pk* settings do not matter to these adapters
> >
> > Wilko
> >
> > > I wonder if your pc164sx boots fine on one of scsi disks with 2940uw
> > > before connecting a Yamaha cd-r writer.
> > > I have got alphapc164 and pc164lx boxes in my lab, and they refuse
> > > working well with 2940uw.
> > >
> > > You can probably check setting of the SRM variables, like
> > > pka0_fast
> > > pci_parity
> > > etc.
> > >
> > > Is Yamaha a fast scsi device?
> > >
> > > Yoriaki Fujimori
> > >
> > >
> > >
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| seeing it on SRM. I have the last SRM console for the SX which is 5.7 I
I think the newest SRM version is 5.9 even for PWS 500a*'s
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Terry Lambert
> > (yes, it's a fast ultra scsi ), I booted without any problem. I have two
> > barracudas (one 2gigs, one 4 gigs ultra), one cheetah (9.1 gigs ultra),
> > one CDROM NEC-222 and the Yamaha 8424, all on the narrow interface.
> >
> > The SRM sees the adapter as pka7 which is fine. The adapter can be
> > configured using the Alphabios. I really don't see why you guys aren't
>
Why is the AlphaBIOS support still around, if NT isn't?
Does Tru64 work with AlphaBIOS?
It seems that Compaq is either throwing money into continuing
support for a useless console monitor, or that FreeBSD needs
to switch over to using AlphaBIOS (uck).
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Mike Smith
> > > configured using the Alphabios. I really don't see why you guys aren't
> > > seeing it on SRM. I have the last SRM console for the SX which is 5.7 I
> >
> > Because SRM does not support Adaptecs.
>
> Why is the AlphaBIOS support still around, if NT isn't?
Because there are obviously paying Compaq customers still running NT.
> Does Tru64 work with AlphaBIOS?
No.
> It seems that Compaq is either throwing money into continuing
> support for a useless console monitor, or that FreeBSD needs
> to switch over to using AlphaBIOS (uck).
Neither.
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Normand Leclerc
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I just updated to the last SRM console for the SX (5.8, 5.9 will never
get out...)
> I would really, really like to see the output of
>
> "show dev"
> and
> "show conf" (cfg, cnfg, which ever it is)
>
> for this machine.
There you go. Just to prove that this adapter can boot FreeBSD on
Alpha using SRM.
Normand Leclerc
lecl...@ele.etsmtl.ca
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init
*** keyboard not plugged in...
ff.fe.fd.fc.fb.fa.f9.f8.f7.f6.f5.f3.f2.f1.f0.
ef.ee.ed.probing hose 0, PCI
probing PCI-to-ISA bridge, bus 1
bus 0, slot 6 -- pka -- Adaptec AIC-7880
bus 0, slot 8, function 1 -- dqa -- Cypress 82C693 IDE
bus 0, slot 8, function 2 -- dqb -- Cypress 82C693 IDE
ec.f4.eb.ea.e9.e8.e7.
Quanta, Atom server; Console V5.8-1, Jun 21 2000 16:01:20
>>>show config
Quanta, Atom server;
SRM Console V5.8-1 OpenVMS PALcode V1.21-6, Digital UNIX PALcode V1.23-6
SROM Revision: 3.11
Alpha 21164PC-2
Pyxis ASIC Pass 2
MEMORY
128 MBytes of system memory
Bank # Size Base Addr
------ ---------- ---------
0 128 MB 000000000
Total Bad Pages = 0
Total Good Memory = 128 MBytes
Bcache Size = 1 MB
PCI Bus
Bus 00 Slot 05: 905510B7/905510B7
Bus 00 Slot 06: Adaptec AIC-7880
pka0.7.0.6.0 SCSI Bus ID 7
dka0.0.0.6.0 SEAGATE ST34572N
dka100.1.0.6.0 SEAGATE ST32550N
dka200.2.0.6.0 SEAGATE ST19101N
dka400.4.0.6.0 YAMAHA CRW8424S
dka600.6.0.6.0 NEC CD-ROM DRIVE:222
Bus 00 Slot 07: 0519102B
Bus 00 Slot 08/0: Cypress 82C693
Bridge to Bus 1, ISA
Bus 00 Slot 08/1: Cypress 82C693 IDE
dqa.0.0.108.0
Bus 00 Slot 08/2: Cypress 82C693 IDE
dqb.0.1.208.0
Bus 00 Slot 08/3: Cypress 82C693 USB
ISA
Slot Device Name Type Enabled BaseAddr IRQ DMA
0
0 MOUSE Embedded Yes 60 12
1 KBD Embedded Yes 60 1
2 COM1 Embedded Yes 3f8 4
3 COM2 Embedded Yes 2f8 3
4 LPT1 Embedded Yes 3bc 7
5 FLOPPY Embedded Yes 3f0 6 2
>>>
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David O'Brien
> Quanta, Atom server; Console V5.8-1, Jun 21 2000 16:01:20
> >>>show config
> Quanta, Atom server;
> Alpha 21164PC-2
What kind of Alpha is this? You mentioned it was a PC164SX, right?
I don't remember this being the same output as the one I had.
> MEMORY
> 128 MBytes of system memory
> Bank # Size Base Addr
> ------ ---------- ---------
> 0 128 MB 000000000
Especially as my 164SX mobo had to have DIMMs in pairs
> Bcache Size = 1 MB
Nor did it have 1MB cache.
> PCI Bus
> Bus 00 Slot 06: Adaptec AIC-7880
> pka0.7.0.6.0 SCSI Bus ID 7
What ever type of Alpha this is, _keep_it_! :-)
Sweet that it can boot from an Adaptec.
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Andrei A. Dergatchev
> > MEMORY
> > 128 MBytes of system memory
> > Bank # Size Base Addr
> > ------ ---------- ---------
> > 0 128 MB 000000000
>
> Especially as my 164SX mobo had to have DIMMs in pairs
Perhaps he got 2 by 64 ? They just populate bank 0, what's wrong ?
>
>
> > Bcache Size = 1 MB
>
> Nor did it have 1MB cache.
I trust it is L2 cache which is meant here, not 8KB of L1 :-)
>
>
> > PCI Bus
> > Bus 00 Slot 06: Adaptec AIC-7880
> > pka0.7.0.6.0 SCSI Bus ID 7
>
> What ever type of Alpha this is, _keep_it_! :-)
> Sweet that it can boot from an Adaptec.
>
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>
Regards,
Andrei
Terry Lambert
>
> Because there are obviously paying Compaq customers still running NT.
>
> > Does Tru64 work with AlphaBIOS?
>
> No.
>
> > It seems that Compaq is either throwing money into continuing
> > support for a useless console monitor, or that FreeBSD needs
> > to switch over to using AlphaBIOS (uck).
>
> Neither.
OK. Let me rephrase that. FreeBSD needs to switch over to whatever
code supports hardware that is not nearly impossible to buy.
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Andrei A. Dergatchev
>
>
> I trust it is L2 cache which is meant here, not 8KB of L1 :-)
>
Or even most likely 1Mb of off chip L3 :-)
David O'Brien
> OK. Let me rephrase that. FreeBSD needs to switch over to whatever
> code supports hardware that is not nearly impossible to buy.
Qlogic 1040's are hard to find??? I found a truck load on eBay a several
months ago for $30 each.
Symbios based ones are hard to find??? I've also seen Symbios branded UW
controllers for $25-$35 (I got one for $31 to put in my AS250). Not to
mention Tekram and DECpaq ones.
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Mike Smith
> >
> > Because there are obviously paying Compaq customers still running NT.
> >
> > > Does Tru64 work with AlphaBIOS?
> >
> > No.
> >
> > > It seems that Compaq is either throwing money into continuing
> > > to switch over to using AlphaBIOS (uck).
> >
> > Neither.
>
> OK. Let me rephrase that. FreeBSD needs to switch over to whatever
> code supports hardware that is not nearly impossible to buy.
FreeBSD doesn't need to switch at all, in that case.
I'm basically sick of this thread coming up every six months or so.
Folks; you just need to deal with reality, and frankly, pissing on about
which SCSI adapter is supported by ancient Alpha hardware has very little
at all to do with any sort of reality.
Get a life.
Oh, and if you want a supported disk adapter for an old Alpha, hit up
eBay for an old Mylex RAID controller with Alpha firmware. You should be
able to get a single-channel unit for around $20 or so.
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Wilko Bulte
> >
> > Because there are obviously paying Compaq customers still running NT.
> >
> > > Does Tru64 work with AlphaBIOS?
> >
> > No.
> >
> > > It seems that Compaq is either throwing money into continuing
> > > support for a useless console monitor, or that FreeBSD needs
> > > to switch over to using AlphaBIOS (uck).
> >
> > Neither.
>
> OK. Let me rephrase that. FreeBSD needs to switch over to whatever
> code supports hardware that is not nearly impossible to buy.
Not that discussion again <SIGH>: please read the archives on PAL code
issues etc.
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Wilko Bulte
> > > Uh, I am even more surprised than you guys. Until I added the Yamaha
> > > (yes, it's a fast ultra scsi ), I booted without any problem. I have two
> > > barracudas (one 2gigs, one 4 gigs ultra), one cheetah (9.1 gigs ultra),
> > > one CDROM NEC-222 and the Yamaha 8424, all on the narrow interface.
> > >
> > > configured using the Alphabios. I really don't see why you guys aren't
> > > seeing it on SRM. I have the last SRM console for the SX which is 5.7 I
> >
> > Because SRM does not support Adaptecs.
>
Beats me.
> Does Tru64 work with AlphaBIOS?
No.
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> get out...)
>
> > I would really, really like to see the output of
> >
> > "show dev"
> > and
> > "show conf" (cfg, cnfg, which ever it is)
> >
> > for this machine.
>
> There you go. Just to prove that this adapter can boot FreeBSD on
> Alpha using SRM.
>
>
> Normand Leclerc
> lecl...@ele.etsmtl.ca
> init
> *** keyboard not plugged in...
> ff.fe.fd.fc.fb.fa.f9.f8.f7.f6.f5.f3.f2.f1.f0.
> ef.ee.ed.probing hose 0, PCI
> probing PCI-to-ISA bridge, bus 1
> bus 0, slot 6 -- pka -- Adaptec AIC-7880
> bus 0, slot 8, function 1 -- dqa -- Cypress 82C693 IDE
> bus 0, slot 8, function 2 -- dqb -- Cypress 82C693 IDE
> ec.f4.eb.ea.e9.e8.e7.
>
> Quanta, Atom server; Console V5.8-1, Jun 21 2000 16:01:20
> >>>show config
> Quanta, Atom server;
^^^-- what is that?
Does not look like any standard SRM I have ever seen.
Most likely a customised version of some sort.
>
> SRM Console V5.8-1 OpenVMS PALcode V1.21-6, Digital UNIX PALcode V1.23-6
>
> SROM Revision: 3.11
> Alpha 21164PC-2
> Pyxis ASIC Pass 2
>
> MEMORY
>
> 128 MBytes of system memory
>
> Bank # Size Base Addr
> ------ ---------- ---------
> 0 128 MB 000000000
>
> Total Bad Pages = 0
> Total Good Memory = 128 MBytes
>
> Bcache Size = 1 MB
>
>
> PCI Bus
> Bus 00 Slot 05: 905510B7/905510B7
>
> Bus 00 Slot 06: Adaptec AIC-7880
> pka0.7.0.6.0 SCSI Bus ID 7
> dka0.0.0.6.0 SEAGATE ST34572N
> dka100.1.0.6.0 SEAGATE ST32550N
> dka200.2.0.6.0 SEAGATE ST19101N
> dka400.4.0.6.0 YAMAHA CRW8424S
> dka600.6.0.6.0 NEC CD-ROM DRIVE:222
> Bus 00 Slot 07: 0519102B
>
> Bus 00 Slot 08/0: Cypress 82C693
> Bridge to Bus 1, ISA
> Bus 00 Slot 08/1: Cypress 82C693 IDE
> dqa.0.0.108.0
> Bus 00 Slot 08/2: Cypress 82C693 IDE
> dqb.0.1.208.0
> Bus 00 Slot 08/3: Cypress 82C693 USB
>
>
>
> ISA
> Slot Device Name Type Enabled BaseAddr IRQ DMA
> 0
> 0 MOUSE Embedded Yes 60 12
>
> 1 KBD Embedded Yes 60 1
>
> 2 COM1 Embedded Yes 3f8 4
>
> 3 COM2 Embedded Yes 2f8 3
>
> 4 LPT1 Embedded Yes 3bc 7
>
> 5 FLOPPY Embedded Yes 3f0 6 2
> >>>
---end of quoted text---
Doug Rabson
> I trust it is L2 cache which is meant here, not 8KB of L1 :-)
This would be the size of the L3 cache. L1 and L2 are on-chip.
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Andrew Gallatin
David O'Brien writes:
> On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 11:29:32PM -0500, Normand Leclerc wrote:
> > Quanta, Atom server; Console V5.8-1, Jun 21 2000 16:01:20
> > >>>show config
> > Quanta, Atom server;
> > Alpha 21164PC-2
>
> What kind of Alpha is this? You mentioned it was a PC164SX, right?
> I don't remember this being the same output as the one I had.
>
> > 128 MBytes of system memory
> > Bank # Size Base Addr
> > ------ ---------- ---------
> > 0 128 MB 000000000
>
I think only the PC164 (no LX or SX) requires memory installation in pairs.
> > Bcache Size = 1 MB
>
> Nor did it have 1MB cache.
From what I can tell, Nor did you have a 164SX. ;)
From the product brief at
http://gatekeeper.dec.com/pub/Digital/info/semiconductor/literature/164sxpb.pdf
it certainly sounds like a 164sx -- 1MB Bcache, Cypress Super I/O,
etc. I don't know whats up with the "Quanta, Atom server" line.
Normand, in regard to your SCSI problems. The 2940 (and most U/W scsi
cards) can only use 2 of their 3 connectors (2 68pin OR 1 68pin and 1
50 pin) without running into problems. Are you using only 2
connectors? The FreeBSD Adaptec driver used to yell at you if you
violated this rule and connected up all three ports.
Drew
David O'Brien
> > Especially as my 164SX mobo had to have DIMMs in pairs
> I think only the PC164 (no LX or SX) requires memory installation in pairs.
Page 5-1 of the "AlphaPC 164SX Motherboard, Windows NT, User's Manual"
says:
"Each bank consists of two DIMMs and must be fully populated."
> From what I can tell, Nor did you have a 164SX. ;)
Actually my 2nd Alpha was a PC164SX (the first was a Multia I fried).
> From the product brief at
> http://gatekeeper.dec.com/pub/Digital/info/semiconductor/literature/164sxpb.pdf
> it certainly sounds like a 164sx -- 1MB Bcache,
You're right about the 1MB. For some reason I thought it was only 512KB.
> Normand, in regard to your SCSI problems. The 2940 (and most U/W scsi
> cards) can only use 2 of their 3 connectors (2 68pin OR 1 68pin and 1
I don't believe he is violating this. A previous message said all his
internal devices are narrow.
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David O'Brien
> Sigh, should have taken my morning coffee first :-( sorry
>
NOPE. The PC164SX does not have L3 cache. That's why I bought a PWS to
replace mine. From the "AlphaPC 164SX Motherboard" User's Manual:
L1 Icache 16KB, direct-mapped, instruction cache on the CPU chip
L1 Dcache 8KB, direct-mapped, data cache on the CPU chip
L2 backup cache Onboard 1MB, direct-mapped, synchronous SSRAM
backup cache with 128-bit data path
Normand Leclerc
> > Quanta, Atom server;
>
See my reply to Andrew Gallatin for this...
> ...
> > Alpha 21164PC-2
>
> What kind of Alpha is this? You mentioned it was a PC164SX, right?
> I don't remember this being the same output as the one I had.
>
> > MEMORY
> > 128 MBytes of system memory
> > Bank # Size Base Addr
> > ------ ---------- ---------
> > 0 128 MB 000000000
>
> Especially as my 164SX mobo had to have DIMMs in pairs
They are in pair. Banks are two dimms wide...
>
> > Bcache Size = 1 MB
>
> Nor did it have 1MB cache.
>
Hmmm, maybe you had the 2MB version then? There are two versions I
beleive...
>
> > PCI Bus
> > Bus 00 Slot 06: Adaptec AIC-7880
> > pka0.7.0.6.0 SCSI Bus ID 7
>
> What ever type of Alpha this is, _keep_it_! :-)
> Sweet that it can boot from an Adaptec.
Sweet when I can boot. My problem still persist. The bus gets reset
twice and sometimes 3 times at the first initialization. When this
happens, scsi polling fails and I can only see pka0.7 ... I really must
know why...
Normand Leclerc
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Normand Leclerc
> etc. I don't know whats up with the "Quanta, Atom server" line.
>
Awh, this line is only the OEM_STRING environment variable of the SRM. It can
be customized. Atom is the name of this server and Quanta is my company... ;)
>
> Normand, in regard to your SCSI problems. The 2940 (and most U/W scsi
> cards) can only use 2 of their 3 connectors (2 68pin OR 1 68pin and 1
> 50 pin) without running into problems. Are you using only 2
> connectors? The FreeBSD Adaptec driver used to yell at you if you
> violated this rule and connected up all three ports.
>
> Drew
I am only using the narrow interface.
Normand Leclerc
The IDs of my scsi devices are 0,1,2 for hard disks, 4 for the
Yamaha and 6 for the NEC-222 cdrom, 7 of course being the adapter. I
didn't try this config in a PC tough but I'm pretty confident that it
will work since I don't have problems once I get through the loader
process (SRM + loader). FreeBSD has never failed resetting the bus.
Only SRM and loader do.
My 2940UW can be configured through AlphaBIOS. I just resetted the
values to default...
Normand Leclerc
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Yoriaki FUJIMORI wrote:
> Dear Normand,
>
> If I understand what you wrote correctly, your pc164sx can boot
> without that Yamaha beast. Right?
> Then, how did you configure your 2940? I do not know its exact
> model name, but you can see the configuration on PC.
> What are scsi ids for your harddisks, Yamaha and blah blah?
>
> Yoriaki Fujimori
David O'Brien
Holy cow! The AlphaPC 164SX's SRM _*DOES*_ recognize Adaptec controllers:
>>>*** keyboard not plugged in...
ff.fe.fd.fc.fb.fa.f9.f8.f7.f6.f5.f3.f2.f1.f0.
ef.ee.ed.probing hose 0, PCI
probing PCI-to-ISA bridge, bus 1
bus 0, slot 5 -- pka -- NCR 53C825
bus 0, slot 6 -- pkb -- Adaptec AIC-7880
bus 0, slot 8, function 1 -- dqa -- Cypress 82C693 IDE
bus 0, slot 8, function 2 -- dqb -- Cypress 82C693 IDE
ec.f4.eb.ea.e9.e8.e7.
..snip..
>>>show config
Digital AlphaPC 164SX 533 MHz
SRM Console V5.7-1 OpenVMS PALcode V1.21-6, Digital UNIX PALcode V1.23-6
..snip..
PCI Bus
Bus 00 Slot 05: NCR 53C825
pka0.7.0.5.0 SCSI Bus ID 7
Bus 00 Slot 06: Adaptec AIC-7880
pkb0.7.0.6.0 SCSI Bus ID 7
dkb500.5.0.6.0 TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-34
And I was able to boot the 4.2 installation CD with it.
Supported Adaptec controllers include 2940U and 2940UW.
The 2930u2 is _not_ supported.
Normand Leclerc
Wilko Bulte
> Holy cow! The AlphaPC 164SX's SRM _*DOES*_ recognize Adaptec controllers:
^--- not a mad cow I hope? ;)
> Digital AlphaPC 164SX 533 MHz
> SRM Console V5.7-1 OpenVMS PALcode V1.21-6, Digital UNIX PALcode V1.23-6
> ..snip..
> PCI Bus
> Bus 00 Slot 05: NCR 53C825
> pka0.7.0.5.0 SCSI Bus ID 7
> Bus 00 Slot 06: Adaptec AIC-7880
> pkb0.7.0.6.0 SCSI Bus ID 7
> dkb500.5.0.6.0 TOSHIBA CD-ROM XM-34
>
> And I was able to boot the 4.2 installation CD with it.
>
> Supported Adaptec controllers include 2940U and 2940UW.
> The 2930u2 is _not_ supported.
Is that really a 2930U2. Or do you mean a 2940U2?
HARDWARE.TXT is waiting for your reply ;)
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David O'Brien
> Is that really a 2930U2. Or do you mean a 2940U2?
Yes. A 2930u2 has an external narrow, internal narrow, and internal LVD
connector. A 2940u2 has an external narrow, internal narrow, internal
wide, and internal LVD connects. The only difference between a 2940u2
and 2940u2w is the external connector/bus.
David O'Brien
> See, I told you! ;)
Sorry to doubt you. I have heard many, many, many times in the past that
no 21164-based Alpha's SRM supported Adaptec controllers.
Anybody want to buy my AlphaPC 164SX now? ;-)
Normand Leclerc
know if the card is faulty or not. The test is very simple: init, init,
init, init etc 'till you type through your keyboard! ;) Seriously, if after
10 inits in a row, having a slow CDROM, CDRW and hard disks, you don't loose
a single device, then I will consider changing the adapter (testing first
with the 2940...) Will have to find one of those Qlogic 1040 ultra ...
Having more guts, I would have changed this SX machine for an UP1000 but
I've had enough problems with this one...
Normand Leclerc
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Wilko Bulte
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 08:46:49PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote:
> > Is that really a 2930U2. Or do you mean a 2940U2?
>
> Yes. A 2930u2 has an external narrow, internal narrow, and internal LVD
> connector. A 2940u2 has an external narrow, internal narrow, internal
> wide, and internal LVD connects. The only difference between a 2940u2
> and 2940u2w is the external connector/bus.
Does this imply 2940U2[W] will also not work?
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David O'Brien
> > Yes. A 2930u2 has an external narrow, internal narrow, and internal LVD
> > connector. A 2940u2 has an external narrow, internal narrow, internal
> > wide, and internal LVD connects. The only difference between a 2940u2
> > and 2940u2w is the external connector/bus.
>
> Does this imply 2940U2[W] will also not work?
99.999% sure.