[discuss] PDF Issues
SunCat
I recently had the occasion to talk to a friend whom I had introduced
to Open office and she had the problem of having saved a file ( for
School ) as a PDF. Unfortunately while OO will save as a PDF it
appears to be as proprietary as M$ since M$will not see nor load it.
Adobe will not recognize or load an OO pdf file. Only OO will read it
and sometimes not then. So now she must put out for Word 2007 and she
has the latest Adobe Reader. No one but the rich or businness folk can
afford to have the full editing capable version. From what I am
hearing both Adobe and M$ have found proprietary means of blocking
OO�s implementation of the PDF format. Unfortunately she will have to
redo the paper and she blames me for turning her on to OO since this
one will cost her a grade. When are we going to get a PDF format for
OO and both adobe or M$ can read and convert both ways? Or is it
always going to be M$ as the default standard as they continue to rip
off open source coding? Thank you.
Rev. Dr. Cadwell
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Malte Timmermann
With Adobe, you mean the "Reader", or full featured Acrobat"?
I just tried opening with Adobe Reader, which worked fine.
What settings do you use in the export dialog?
If possible, you might send me (and not to the list) a sample ODT+PDF
where this issue occurs, then I can forward it to the responsible engineer.
Best,
Malte.
SunCat wrote, On 11/12/09 20:41:
Guy Voets
> Never heard of such a problem before, and can't reproduce.
>
> With Adobe, you mean the "Reader", or full featured Acrobat"?
>
> I just tried opening with Adobe Reader, which worked fine.
>
> What settings do you use in the export dialog?
>
> If possible, you might send me (and not to the list) a sample ODT+PDF
> where this issue occurs, then I can forward it to the responsible engineer.
>
> Best,
> Malte.
>
> SunCat wrote, On 11/12/09 20:41:
>> Open Office discussion list:
>> I recently had the occasion to talk to a friend whom I had introduced
>> to Open office and she had the problem of having saved a file ( for
>> School ) as a PDF. Unfortunately while OO will save as a PDF it
>> appears to be as proprietary as M$ since M$will not see nor load it.
>> Adobe will not recognize or load an OO pdf file. Only OO will read it
>> and sometimes not then. So now she must put out for Word 2007 and she
>> has the latest Adobe Reader. No one but the rich or businness folk can
>> afford to have the full editing capable version. From what I am
>> hearing both Adobe and M$ have found proprietary means of blocking
>> redo the paper and she blames me for turning her on to OO since this
>> one will cost her a grade. When are we going to get a PDF format for
>> OO and both adobe or M$ can read and convert both ways? Or is it
>> always going to be M$ as the default standard as they continue to rip
>> off open source coding? Thank you.
>> Rev. Dr. Cadwell
>>
Hello,
I have no problem saving an odt as pdf and reading the pdf with Adobe Reader.
Your friend can also save the odt as a doc and pas that on to her
teacher, without having to buy MS Word. Why would she have to redo the
paper? Hasn't she saved anything but the 'unreadable' pdf?
Teachers and schools should learn that not the form or file format of
a paper is important, but its CONTENTS. Hello?
Good luck!
--
Guy
using dutch OOo Aqua 3.1.1 on a iMac Intel DualCore Snow Leopard
and brazilian OOo Aqua 3.1.1 on an Intel MacBook Pro Leopard
Dodoes can't afford to have headaches
Bruce Martin
I see your friend may have some of the many issues that many others who I
support have encountered to widely varying degrees, not only with Open
office, but with import/export issues in many other applications and
platforms (operating systems).
Many of these problems are more circumstantial than proprietary issues, and
they do have many workarounds that often relate to the deeper issues of how
one uses the software one already has.
This has prompted me to draft a help file for this based on my experiences
with such issues since the days of DOS.
This will take a bit of time to write, but I will eventually either send it
to you or, if in the end, the size is too big for normal email. I will first
send you an existing help file with instructions how to receive it by
splitting the file using the 7-zip open source application.
BTW: What time zone are you in? I am near Montreal, Quebec, Canada, and am
on Eastern Standard Time (same as NYC).
Best Regards,
Bruce Martin
Brucem...@gmail.com
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Subject: [discuss] PDF Issues
Open Office discussion list:
I recently had the occasion to talk to a friend whom I had introduced
to Open office and she had the problem of having saved a file ( for
School ) as a PDF. Unfortunately while OO will save as a PDF it
appears to be as proprietary as M$ since M$will not see nor load it.
Adobe will not recognize or load an OO pdf file. Only OO will read it
and sometimes not then. So now she must put out for Word 2007 and she
has the latest Adobe Reader. No one but the rich or businness folk can
afford to have the full editing capable version. From what I am
hearing both Adobe and M$ have found proprietary means of blocking
OO's implementation of the PDF format. Unfortunately she will have to
redo the paper and she blames me for turning her on to OO since this
one will cost her a grade. When are we going to get a PDF format for
OO and both adobe or M$ can read and convert both ways? Or is it
always going to be M$ as the default standard as they continue to rip
off open source coding? Thank you.
Rev. Dr. Cadwell
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NoOp
> Open Office discussion list:
> I recently had the occasion to talk to a friend whom I had introduced
> to Open office and she had the problem of having saved a file ( for
> School ) as a PDF. Unfortunately while OO will save as a PDF it
> appears to be as proprietary as M$ since M$will not see nor load it.
> Adobe will not recognize or load an OO pdf file. Only OO will read it
> and sometimes not then. So now she must put out for Word 2007 and she
> has the latest Adobe Reader. No one but the rich or businness folk can
> afford to have the full editing capable version. From what I am
> hearing both Adobe and M$ have found proprietary means of blocking
> OO’s implementation of the PDF format. Unfortunately she will have to
> redo the paper and she blames me for turning her on to OO since this
> one will cost her a grade. When are we going to get a PDF format for
> OO and both adobe or M$ can read and convert both ways? Or is it
> always going to be M$ as the default standard as they continue to rip
> off open source coding? Thank you.
> Rev. Dr. Cadwell
There is nothing proprietary in OOo's export to PDF.
My _guess_ would be that the file is still an .odt file and she saved it
using 'File|Save As' and merely changed the filename to xyz.pdf rather
than actually exporting as pdf (File|Export as PDF).
Perhaps it might be worthwhile to spend some time at:
http://documentation.openoffice.org/
NoOp
> On 11/12/2009 11:41 AM, SunCat wrote:
>> Open Office discussion list:
>> I recently had the occasion to talk to a friend whom I had introduced
>> to Open office and she had the problem of having saved a file ( for
>> School ) as a PDF. Unfortunately while OO will save as a PDF it
>> appears to be as proprietary as M$ since M$will not see nor load it.
>> Adobe will not recognize or load an OO pdf file. Only OO will read it
>> and sometimes not then. So now she must put out for Word 2007 and she
>> has the latest Adobe Reader. No one but the rich or businness folk can
>> afford to have the full editing capable version. From what I am
>> hearing both Adobe and M$ have found proprietary means of blocking
>> one will cost her a grade. When are we going to get a PDF format for
>> OO and both adobe or M$ can read and convert both ways? Or is it
>> always going to be M$ as the default standard as they continue to rip
>> off open source coding? Thank you.
>> Rev. Dr. Cadwell
>
> There is nothing proprietary in OOo's export to PDF.
>
> My _guess_ would be that the file is still an .odt file and she saved it
> using 'File|Save As' and merely changed the filename to xyz.pdf rather
> than actually exporting as pdf (File|Export as PDF).
>
> Perhaps it might be worthwhile to spend some time at:
> http://documentation.openoffice.org/
I should add, that if you'd like to send the document to me directly,
I'll be happy to take a look at it and see if I can help her recover it.
Mathias Bauer
> Open Office discussion list:
> I recently had the occasion to talk to a friend whom I had introduced
> to Open office and she had the problem of having saved a file ( for
> School ) as a PDF.
There is no such thing as "saving as PDF" in OOo. OOo can't open PDF
files again, so by intent we only have a PDF *export*. That means, if
you call "Save As", PDF is not offered in the list of file formats, you
have to call "Export". This shall make clear that you won't be able to
re-edit that file and that you still have to save the document to
another format if you want to be able to do that.
> Unfortunately while OO will save as a PDF it
> appears to be as proprietary as M$ since M$will not see nor load it.
Microsoft Office also is not able to load PDF files, regardless if they
have been created with OOo, Adobe Acrobat (the full version) or any
other application.
> Adobe will not recognize or load an OO pdf file.
That is definitely wrong. Are you sure that the file is a PDF file? It
sounds that it is an odt file with a pdf extension.
> Only OO will read it
> and sometimes not then.
No! If OOo can open what you think is a PDF file it isn't one.
> So now she must put out for Word 2007 and she
> has the latest Adobe Reader. No one but the rich or businness folk can
> afford to have the full editing capable version. From what I am
> hearing both Adobe and M$ have found proprietary means of blocking
> OO�s implementation of the PDF format. Unfortunately she will have to
> redo the paper and she blames me for turning her on to OO since this
> one will cost her a grade. When are we going to get a PDF format for
> OO and both adobe or M$ can read and convert both ways? Or is it
> always going to be M$ as the default standard as they continue to rip
> off open source coding? Thank you.
The Adobe Reader can only read PDF files, without being able to edit it.
If you want to save a file in OOo into a format that OOo can read and
edit again, use the Open Document Format (ODF), in Writer this is an
"odt" file. What MS Office is able to read is not under our influence.
They claim to be able to read ODF documents, but their support is lousy
compared to the importing capabilities of OOo for the MS Office formats.
Regards,
Mathias
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Dr. Cadwell
I apologize for not answering this more promptly but I deal with over
a hundred e-mails daily and a fair part most be encrypted so the
discussion list isn't that which I can take time for until the
weekends. I managed to spot this as I was forced to re-do my E-Mail
filters and when I got to the discussion groups I found that your
e-mail had mistakenly been shunted to one of the 2 Linux groups I
belong to. I am in the central time zone area but due to Indiana's
weirdness am in the eastern time zone. I'm in a place called West
Lafayette, IN. the home of Purdue University. (no, I graduated from
Thomas Edison State College.) That project would be an immense help.
If I can assist I would be glad to, but don't forget my responses will
be slow. Thank you for your response. I do appreciate it.
I Remain~ In Health & In Service,
Dr. R. M. Cadwell
> Open Office discussion list:
> I recently had the occasion to talk to a friend whom I had introduced
> to Open office and she had the problem of having saved a file ( for
> School ) as a PDF. Unfortunately while OO will save as a PDF it
> appears to be as proprietary as M$ since M$will not see nor load it.
> Adobe will not recognize or load an OO pdf file. Only OO will read it
> and sometimes not then. So now she must put out for Word 2007 and she
> has the latest Adobe Reader. No one but the rich or businness folk can
> afford to have the full editing capable version. From what I am
> hearing both Adobe and M$ have found proprietary means of blocking
> OO's implementation of the PDF format. Unfortunately she will have to
> redo the paper and she blames me for turning her on to OO since this
> one will cost her a grade. When are we going to get a PDF format for
> OO and both adobe or M$ can read and convert both ways? Or is it
> always going to be M$ as the default standard as they continue to rip
> off open source coding? Thank you.
> Rev. Dr. Cadwell
>
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Dr. Cadwell
While I know that I guess I failed to convey that to her. Thank you.
Dr. Cadwell
NoOp wrote:
> On 11/12/2009 11:41 AM, SunCat wrote:
>> Open Office discussion list:
>> I recently had the occasion to talk to a friend whom I had introduced
>> to Open office and she had the problem of having saved a file ( for
>> School ) as a PDF. Unfortunately while OO will save as a PDF it
>> appears to be as proprietary as M$ since M$will not see nor load it.
>> Adobe will not recognize or load an OO pdf file. Only OO will read it
>> and sometimes not then. So now she must put out for Word 2007 and she
>> has the latest Adobe Reader. No one but the rich or businness folk can
>> afford to have the full editing capable version. From what I am
>> hearing both Adobe and M$ have found proprietary means of blocking
>> OO’s implementation of the PDF format. Unfortunately she will have to
>> redo the paper and she blames me for turning her on to OO since this
>> one will cost her a grade. When are we going to get a PDF format for
>> OO and both adobe or M$ can read and convert both ways? Or is it
>> always going to be M$ as the default standard as they continue to rip
>> off open source coding? Thank you.
>> Rev. Dr. Cadwell
>
> There is nothing proprietary in OOo's export to PDF.
>
> My _guess_ would be that the file is still an .odt file and she saved it
> using 'File|Save As' and merely changed the filename to xyz.pdf rather
> than actually exporting as pdf (File|Export as PDF).
>
> Perhaps it might be worthwhile to spend some time at:
> http://documentation.openoffice.org/
>
>
Dr. Cadwell
Thank you for your input. While I was already aware of a good portion
of that & have learned more, My friend, was not since I failed to show
her how to do the "export" I am quite sure my choice of words ended up
incorrect for you Much More Experienced OO users, so I won't bother
you again. Again, thanks.
In Service & In Health,
Rev. Richard M. Cadwell, D.C, D.C.M., Dip. NBCE, EMT-A, EMICT, DDh.
HP to the Sanctuary of the Healers' Heart
Mathias Bauer wrote:
> SunCat wrote:
>
>> Open Office discussion list:
>> I recently had the occasion to talk to a friend whom I had introduced
>> to Open office and she had the problem of having saved a file ( for
>> School ) as a PDF.
> There is no such thing as "saving as PDF" in OOo. OOo can't open PDF
> files again, so by intent we only have a PDF *export*. That means, if
> you call "Save As", PDF is not offered in the list of file formats, you
> have to call "Export". This shall make clear that you won't be able to
> re-edit that file and that you still have to save the document to
> another format if you want to be able to do that.
>
>> Unfortunately while OO will save as a PDF it
>> appears to be as proprietary as M$ since M$will not see nor load it.
>
> Microsoft Office also is not able to load PDF files, regardless if they
> have been created with OOo, Adobe Acrobat (the full version) or any
> other application.
>
>> Adobe will not recognize or load an OO pdf file.
> That is definitely wrong. Are you sure that the file is a PDF file? It
> sounds that it is an odt file with a pdf extension.
>
>> Only OO will read it
>> and sometimes not then.
> No! If OOo can open what you think is a PDF file it isn't one.
>
>> So now she must put out for Word 2007 and she
>> has the latest Adobe Reader. No one but the rich or businness folk can
>> afford to have the full editing capable version. From what I am
>> hearing both Adobe and M$ have found proprietary means of blocking
>> OO�s implementation of the PDF format. Unfortunately she will have to
>> redo the paper and she blames me for turning her on to OO since this
>> one will cost her a grade. When are we going to get a PDF format for
>> OO and both adobe or M$ can read and convert both ways? Or is it
>> always going to be M$ as the default standard as they continue to rip
>> off open source coding? Thank you.
>
> The Adobe Reader can only read PDF files, without being able to edit it.
> If you want to save a file in OOo into a format that OOo can read and
> edit again, use the Open Document Format (ODF), in Writer this is an
> "odt" file. What MS Office is able to read is not under our influence.
> They claim to be able to read ODF documents, but their support is lousy
> compared to the importing capabilities of OOo for the MS Office formats.
>
> Regards,
> Mathias
>
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--- On Wed, 11/18/09, Dr. Cadwell <hea...@localnet.com> wrote:
>> So now she must put out for Word 2007 and she has the latest Adobe Reader. No one but the rich or businness folk can afford to have the full editing capable version. From what I am hearing both Adobe and M$ have found proprietary means of blocking OO’s implementation of the PDF format. Unfortunately she will have to redo the paper and she blames me for turning her on to OO since this one will cost her a grade. When are we going to get a PDF format for OO and both adobe or M$ can read and convert both ways? Or is it always going to be M$ as the default standard as they continue to rip off open source coding? Thank you.
Mathias Bauer
Dr. Cadwell wrote:
> Good Day Mathias,
> Thank you for your input. While I was already aware of a good portion
> of that & have learned more, My friend, was not since I failed to show
> her how to do the "export" I am quite sure my choice of words ended up
> incorrect for you Much More Experienced OO users, so I won't bother
> you again.
No reason for that. Not everybody is an expert or has to be one -
everybody interested in OOo is welcome on our lists. Perhaps problems
like the ones you mentioned better fit to our "users" list than to our
discuss list. But for me they are not completely off-topic here. So
don't feel driven away.
Regards,
Mathias
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