[discuss] Words of thanks and thoughts for the future WAS Re: [dev] Changes to Site/Product Elements due to Oracle Acquisition
Cor Nouws
Stefan Taxhet wrote (28-01-10 12:50)
> With the acquisition of Sun Microsystems by Oracle now being closed
> we'll see some immediate changes to our site and product. This reflects
> the fact that Oracle replaces Sun in its role as part of the
> OpenOffice.org project.
> [...]
Let me take this opportunity to express some thoughts and feelings to
the Sun team working on OpenOffice.org. And I hope and trust that, in
doing so, I reflect the opinion of the vast majority of the members of
our community.
Some words of thanks are in its place, in my opinion, although
essentially we continue to work with the same people.
In the first place for all the good work done on the product and the
project in the past nearly ten years. In moments of joy and excitement
and also in times of problems and sadness.
Further, I feel thankful for you all continuing the work in the long
period of uncertainty that has just been closed. I know many of us were
hopeful and confident, but still, one first has to see it really. I'm
glad that now this period is closed, finished.
People knowing me, will recognize that I'm not shy to raise my voice
when (IMO) something is wrong, sub-optimal, and has room for
improvement. Either be it in the software, either in how we work
together. And I hope that I may be able to continue cooperating in this
spirit for a long time to come. Enjoying the so often positive attitude
of the team, and well meant steps to an even brighter future.
I am really exited about OpenOffice.org being part of Oracle and trust
that this new situation will give the project great opportunities.
That all in the project may enjoy.
Best wishes to all,
Cor
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Cor Nouws
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- Community Council member
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Elizabeth Matthis
Thanks for your kind words and especially for your years of support for
OOo.
Let's keep on doing good things and talking about them.
;-)
Liz
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Kazunari Hirano
We see "OpenOffice" on their pages such as "DOWNLOAD INFORMATION" on
http://www.oracle.com/us/sun/index.html and "SOFTWARE STRATEGY
WEBCASTS" on http://www.oracle.com/events/productstrategy/index.html
Shall we ask Oracle to correct them, "OpenOffice" to "OpenOffice.org,"
which is the name of our product and the name of our community?
Thanks,
khirano
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Lars Nooden
> Hi Cor, Liz and all,
>
> We see "OpenOffice" on their pages such as "DOWNLOAD INFORMATION" on
> http://www.oracle.com/us/sun/index.html and "SOFTWARE STRATEGY
> WEBCASTS" on http://www.oracle.com/events/productstrategy/index.html
>
> Shall we ask Oracle to correct them, "OpenOffice" to "OpenOffice.org,"
> which is the name of our product and the name of our community?
That would be great, unless Oracle plans to wrest the OpenOffice
trademark from its current owner. The transition will need a bit of
support from both sides.
While adjustments are being made to the page,
it can be pointed out that all the links on the product strategy page
are quite broken and contain no URLs. I hope there is time to fix the
URLs before the page goes live.
http://www.oracle.com/events/productstrategy/
/Lars
Katsuya Kobayashi
Your both side of view is good point.
Hi Cor,
You write on the other sled, "the Dutch firm OpenOffice is trademark
holder for the EU.". Is it only one holder, and who?
Let's teach the FACT to Oracle staff soon!
Regards,
Katsuya
2010/1/29, Lars Nooden <larsn...@openoffice.org>:
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Larry Sadler
I echo these sentiments entirely . OO is a major player in the productivity space and a tremendous amount of credit accrues to Sun and all the Sun team players that have contributed to where OO is today . My best wishes for your efforts to continue this essential competitive journey and move to new levels of success for appreciative users the world over .
L
>>> Elizabeth Matthis <elizabet...@sun.com> 29 Jan 2010 4:20 am >>>
Hi Cor,
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Graham Lauder
>
> Thanks for your kind words and especially for your years of support for
> OOo.
>
> Let's keep on doing good things and talking about them.
> ;-)
> Liz
>
I'd like to also echo Cors comments and add a few of my own. There has never been a
time when I haven't been proud to be part of the OOo community and proud of our
corporate partner. No matter the ill informed and parochial slings and arrows cast
in Suns direction they are the example of how a corporate partner can work with a
community. That is not to say it's perfect, it will probably never be because of
the obvious tensions between an open community and the necessities of corporate
governance but what has been obvious to me since the early days of the project, has
been the constant improvement in the connection between Sun and the community and
the obvious desire to see that improvement continue.
It is good to see Larry talking about "Hiring Sun into Profit". Let's hope we see
some of the development load spread about in OOo/SO. I see a bright future.
Good luck to all our team in Hamburg under the new regime.
Cheers
GL
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Jean-Baptiste Faure
Ok, but have read something from Oracle about OOo and Free Software ?
No, only Cloud Computing which is, IMHO, a workaround to kill Free Software.
The facts are :
- 1 slide versus 100 000 000 downloads
- Oracle does not know the right name of OpenOffice.org.
Best regards.
JBF
Le 31.01.2010 01:04, Graham Lauder a �crit :
>> Hi Cor,
>>
>> Thanks for your kind words and especially for your years of support for
>> OOo.
>>
>> Let's keep on doing good things and talking about them.
>> ;-)
>> Liz
>>
>>
>
> I'd like to also echo Cors comments and add a few of my own. There has never been a
> time when I haven't been proud to be part of the OOo community and proud of our
> corporate partner. No matter the ill informed and parochial slings and arrows cast
> in Suns direction they are the example of how a corporate partner can work with a
> community. That is not to say it's perfect, it will probably never be because of
> the obvious tensions between an open community and the necessities of corporate
> governance but what has been obvious to me since the early days of the project, has
> been the constant improvement in the connection between Sun and the community and
> the obvious desire to see that improvement continue.
>
> It is good to see Larry talking about "Hiring Sun into Profit". Let's hope we see
> some of the development load spread about in OOo/SO. I see a bright future.
>
> Good luck to all our team in Hamburg under the new regime.
>
>
> Cheers
> GL
>
>
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Cor Nouws
Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote (31-01-10 09:13)
> Ok, but have read something from Oracle about OOo and Free Software ?
Yes, on their website you find an overview of all projects they
participate in /drive. Quite a lot.
> No, only Cloud Computing which is, IMHO, a workaround to kill Free Software.
>
> The facts are :
> - 1 slide versus 100 000 000 downloads
> - Oracle does not know the right name of OpenOffice.org.
Looks even more like a wonder that we've Oracle's support? No, we have a
good starting point. And if OpenOffice.org can show an even more
attractive potential, I expect that Oracle will be an even better partner.
Best,
Cor
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Cor Nouws
- nl.OpenOffice.org marketing contact
- Community Council member
Jean-Baptiste Faure
Le 31.01.2010 10:54, Cor Nouws a �crit :
>
> Hi Jean-Baptiste,
>
> Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote (31-01-10 09:13)
>> Ok, but have read something from Oracle about OOo and Free Software ?
>
> Yes, on their website you find an overview of all projects they
> participate in /drive. Quite a lot.
Perhaps, but Wednesday "Free Software" was not a keyword on the slide
about OpenOffice.org.
>
>> No, only Cloud Computing which is, IMHO, a workaround to kill Free
>> Software.
>>
>> The facts are :
>> - 1 slide versus 100 000 000 downloads
>> - Oracle does not know the right name of OpenOffice.org.
>
> Looks even more like a wonder that we've Oracle's support? No, we have
> a good starting point. And if OpenOffice.org can show an even more
> attractive potential, I expect that Oracle will be an even better
> partner.
I do not know if we have Oracle's support, it's too early to say. I know
only that Oracle has OpenOffice.org and that Oracle has forgotten ".org"
in the name of OpenOffice.org.
And that Oracle has exchanged the roles of StarOffice and OpenOffice.org
: with Sun, StarOffice was the non-Community edition based on
OpenOffice.org; in other words, OOo plus something. From now, it seems
that OpenOffice.org "Community Edition" will be StarOffice minus
something. Minus what?
Regards.
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French N-L project Lead
http://fr.openoffice.org
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Peter Junge
Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Ok, but have read something from Oracle about OOo and Free Software ?
Free and Open Source Software is indeed an important thing, but the
people behind it matter even more. After watching all the videos [1][2]
currently available from Oracle on welcoming Sun, I am more than happy
to learn, that there will be almost no layoffs but mostly hirings.
[1] http://www.oracle.com/us/sun/044498
[2] http://www.oracle.com/events/productstrategy/index.html
> No, only Cloud Computing which is, IMHO, a workaround to kill Free Software.
Well I recommend to watch Larry Ellison's session at [1]. He makes some
fun about 'cloud computing' clearly stating that's just a new buzzword
for technologies already existing.
Indeed Oracle isn't promoting FOSS very actively, but they are a large
user, adopter, distributer and contributer with several FOSS products.
>
> The facts are :
> - 1 slide versus 100 000 000 downloads
OOo is not yet a core business of Oracle. They have been doing a lot of
cooperations with Sun in the past, hence they are certainly prioritizing
in merging this fields of business now.
The good thing seems to be, that OOo has become an independent business
unit within Oracle, retaining all the Sun stuff, hence the situation is
we are still doing the same things with the same people here. What comes
later? Who knows! But this was also an often discussed topic while Sun
was the owner of OOo.
> - Oracle does not know the right name of OpenOffice.org.
Jonathan Schwartz also did use OpenOffice without .org quite often in
his Sun blog (http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/), so this seems to be an
persisting issue from pre-Oracle times. ;-)
Best regards,
Peter
>
> Best regards.
>
> JBF
>
> Le 31.01.2010 01:04, Graham Lauder a écrit :
>>> Hi Cor,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your kind words and especially for your years of support for
>>> OOo.
>>>
>>> Let's keep on doing good things and talking about them.
>>> ;-)
>>> Liz
>>>
>>>
>> I'd like to also echo Cors comments and add a few of my own. There has never been a
>> time when I haven't been proud to be part of the OOo community and proud of our
>> corporate partner. No matter the ill informed and parochial slings and arrows cast
>> in Suns direction they are the example of how a corporate partner can work with a
>> community. That is not to say it's perfect, it will probably never be because of
>> the obvious tensions between an open community and the necessities of corporate
>> governance but what has been obvious to me since the early days of the project, has
>> been the constant improvement in the connection between Sun and the community and
>> the obvious desire to see that improvement continue.
>>
>> It is good to see Larry talking about "Hiring Sun into Profit". Let's hope we see
>> some of the development load spread about in OOo/SO. I see a bright future.
>>
>> Good luck to all our team in Hamburg under the new regime.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>> GL
>>
>>
Kazunari Hirano
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 5:49 PM, Peter Junge <p...@openoffice.org> wrote:
> Jonathan Schwartz also did use OpenOffice without .org quite often in his
> Sun blog (http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/), so this seems to be an persisting
> issue from pre-Oracle times. ;-)
:)
You are right.
But he uses "OpenOffice.org" recently in his blogs :)
I am sure Oracle will correct "OpenOffice" -> "OpenOffice.org"
http://www.oracle.com/lang/jp/sun/index.html
I have found "OpenOffice" on this Japanese page too.
http://www.oracle.com/lang/jp/corporate/contact.html
So I send a message through
http://www.oracle.co.jp/inq_pl/INQUIRY/quest?rid=6 and ask Oracle to
correct them
:)
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Stefan Taxhet
During the last 10 years OpenOffice.org has evolved to a quite large
project in the FLOSS world and a successful product in the office
productivity suite market. Together with our product the OpenOffice.org
brand spread over the world. This brand has a tradition of quality and
it remains faithful to its origins.
For an impression of the first two rebrushed elements - the logo and a
symbol - have a look at
http://www.openoffice.org/trademark/brandrefresh.html
Instead of a complete new design we started a refresh. While it seems
always hard to adapt all input the changes point out the key components
and improves the overall impression to gain even more strength and
confidence.
These elements will find their way into the next version of our product
together with the changes that are necessary due to the Oracle
acquisition as announced earlier.
The just founded Branding Initiative will be the home for the work
enabling us to use a consistent design. Your are welcome to join the
continuation of this effort in this environment.
Greetings
Stefan
Alexandro Colorado
similar to the older one but less stylish. The colors also look awful.
Is somebody getting payed for this or is it a community effort?
Either or, I think this logo sucks.
I would recomment funding a project to create the typography from
scratch, and GPL it. You can do that with software available
You can do that with FontForge (http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/) or
GFE (Gnu Font editor).
Please, this roundy edges fonts really doesn't look that appealing.
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Guy Voets
> In my own opinion, I am not liking the new design. First it looks too
> similar to the older one but less stylish. The colors also look awful.
> Is somebody getting payed for this or is it a community effort?
> Either or, I think this logo sucks.
>
> I would recomment funding a project to create the typography from
> scratch, and GPL it. You can do that with software available
>
> You can do that with FontForge (http://fontforge.sourceforge.net/) or
> GFE (Gnu Font editor).
>
> Please, this roundy edges fonts really doesn't look that appealing.
>
>
> On 3/4/10, Stefan Taxhet <Stefan...@sun.com> wrote:
>>
>> For an impression of the first two rebrushed elements - the logo and a
>> symbol - have a look at
>> http://www.openoffice.org/trademark/brandrefresh.html
>>
Hello,
I rather agree with Alexandro.
I prefer the condensed font from the present logo. The big round O is
clumsy and amateuristic compared to the polished, efficient condensed
0
I prefer the 'metallic' blue, also more professional, than the new naive colour.
I prefer the slightly leaner seagulls (the newer ones are fatter and
less birdlike)
Why exchange the blue part with the black?
I prefer the birds black, against a blue sky
What happened to the 'wave' (dark blue above, lighter below) that adds
to the seascape image (freedom)
Are the seven coloured dots part of the logo? I like them.
For the symbol: same remark about colour (for first symbol) and
fatness of birds.
Conclusion: better keep the old logo, or start afresh along the lines
Alexandro proposes.
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hans nobody
To be honest, I like the new logo, except from the "new" blue color. The new logo with the "old" and darker blue color would be perfect (in my opinion of course).
Keeping the "old" blue would make sense since not only the brand "OpenOffice.org" and the seagulls have become a synonym for OpenOffice but the typical dark blue color as well. Changing this would reduce the recognition value of the new logo.
But I'm afraid that's too late for this discussion, because the die seems to be cast.
Best regards
Hans
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Kazunari Hirano
> http://www.oracle.com/us/sun/index.html
> http://www.oracle.com/events/productstrategy/index.html
I see above pages and find that they corrected OpenOffice -> OpenOffice.org
:)
Thanks,
khirano
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