Nepal is more 'intelligent' than India and that is the
reason why British could not rule Nepal. Nepal remain united till 1990s
when democratic movement started. British, Portugese, French and others
could 'fool' India and not Nepal. I am proud that Nepal showed 'guts'
to declare itself as Hindu Rashtra, which India could not do as yet.
Though Nepal could not develop in 'modern terms' but I am sure, Nepal is more
'happy' than India. However, I want to caution Nepal about 'phony
democracy' and 'corrupt politicians'.
I believe that 'maoists' are sponsored by some countries
which want to destabilize Nepal as they did India. If 'maoists' are due
to 'unequal distribution' of wealth, 'democracy' is not the answer.
Establishment of Dharm with necessary changes as per present time will solve
the problems of not only Nepal but also India.
From: Ashutosh Shrivastav <ashutosh.x...@unnepal.org>
Subject: RE: Castesim in Nepal/ Janjatis and the Bahuns ? हामी २०% बाहुन
क्षेत्री उच्च जातहरु ५
सय वर्षम्म शासन
गर्ने हिम्मतका साथ काम
गरिरहेका छौ
To: "'HEMANT PANCHPOR'" <hemantp...@yahoo.com>,
"'Today]Hillman 2C [Washington DC'" <hill...@gmail.com>
Cc: drkau...@yahoo.com, limbu_...@hotmail.com, parb...@gmail.com,
anbh...@yahoo.com, mis...@ntc.net.np, moc...@wlink.com.np, "'Tilak
Shrestha'" <til...@hotmail.com>
Received: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 1:56 PM
I
agree with your following statement. However, Nepal’s declaration as a
secular nation was an attempt to plague Nepal with the same “conversion”
disease that India is “cancered” with. Indian Congress—a party
historically against Hindus and Sanatan Dharma collectively—dismantled Nepal
Monarchy and helped Nepal become secular.
“WE
MADE THAT MISTAKE IN INDIA, I DON'T WANT NEPAL TO FOLLOW INDIA AND GET INTO
THE SAME TRAP.”
Hindus
can say that all religions are equals, but other religions will never
agree. Hindus can call a Muslim their brother, but the opposite never
happens. The need of the hour is:
Whenever there is a decline of Dharma
or the righteousness and the rise of Adharma or the unrighteousness then I
incarnate Myself, O Arjun. I incarnate in every age for the protection of the
good, for the destruction of the wicked, and for the establishment of Dharma.
(Bhagvad Geeta 4.07-08)"
Sincerely,
Ashutosh
Shrivastav
www.unnepal.org
___________________________________________________________________________________________
Whenever there is a decline of Dharma
or the righteousness and the rise of Adharma or the unrighteousness then I
incarnate Myself, O Arjun. I incarnate in every age for the protection of the
good, for the destruction of the wicked, and for the establishment of Dharma.
(Bhagvad Geeta 4.07-08)"
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I don't know Nepali, as such, I could not understand what Chitraraj
Upadhyay Bastola was talking about. I come from India, and now I am a
Canadian.
Though I visited Nepal to take Darshan of Pashupati Shiva Mandir, I
was not aware of Nepalese conditions as regards casteism. However,
when I come across many friends from Nepal I could figure out
something. I may not be right, but I will be happy to make me right
if I am wrong.
What I gathered while talking to Nepalese (I don't know the castes of
the people because the names are foreign to me), some people who live in
Nepal have tagged themselves with cities of foreign countries lik
Washington DC, New York City, etc. Why they are doing like
this? I think, in Nepal, if a person is from the US or Canada or
Europe, those people get respect from society, and these guys are trying to
fool others to get that respect.
First of all, if someone is lieing, he is not trustworthy. As
such, instead of the statements made by him getting HIGH RESPECT, it goes
WITHOUT RESPECT. Lie and cheats are not RESPECTABLE.
Secondly, if someone is living abroad and not in Nepal cannot teach
Nepalese because they don't know the ground situations. Again, those,
who are trying to add their degrees, and other stuff to impress people for
their knowledge, must understand that knowledge does not belong to educated
and well to do families only. Even an uneducated person can be more
knowledgeable, just that he has not got an opportunity to show his
skills.
Ekalavya in Mahabharat is a good example. Though this boy from
forest was having amazing skills to stop a barking dog with arrows WITHOUT
HURTING THE DOG, he was not considered by Dronacharya as an eligible
candidate for a disciple as Arjun was. Dronacharya was willing to
promote Arjun, being from Raj Gharana, and not Ekalavya. But both
Dronacharya and Arjun were knowing the capacity of Ekalavya even when he learnt
Dhanurvidya by installing Dronacharya's statue as his Guru.
Dronacharya has played dirty politics by asking to cut Ekalavya's thumb
finger as Gurudakshina. In fact, Dronacharya was disabling Ekalavya
in his skill by doing that. I think, the same situation is happening
in Nepal as yet.
As far as India is concerned, the casteism was removed by many
scholars in 20th century including Brahmins like Agarkar, Tilak, etc.,
Kshatriyas like Raja Ram Mohan Roy (though this guy died in London and not
in India), Ambedkar, Phule etc. from Shudras or lower castes. Most of
the names are from Maharashtra state (Mumbai is capital) but there
were many others from other states. Ambedkar has written constitution
for India making it compulsory for Indian Government to RESERVE seats both
in education and employment for lower castes. Though it was to help
lower castes people to come to the level of other higher class people, the
reservations are still available to lower castes and Muslims and Christians
have been able to add themselves for RESERVATION, thanks to stupid Indian
politicians. The result is there is huge conversions to these
religions and HINDUS are deserted to get legitimate right in India.
Further, now Brahmins are agitating against reservations system as they are
left out from the process of development and remain poor. As such, I
am not in favour of reservations based on castes, but I think, it should be
based on 'economical class'. However, since Indian Government
including the State and Municipal Government employees are so corrupt, that
they can provide certificate of lower economical class to anyone if someone
pays them money. As such, we cannot believe in this system where
people are corrupt.
The only way is 'open market' system that the US and Canada follows.
Though there is also 'partiality' for 'white people', and hidden
discrimination in job market, it is better than present condition of both
Nepal and India, considering the 'corruption' practices.
If I look back, I understand that Indians were living happy life with
all the four castes doing their jobs, but first Muslims (700 AC) and then
Britishers (1800 AC) have been able to divide people based on
'castes'. As such, Brahmins started 'ruling' by 'knowledge',
Kshatriyas started 'ruling' by 'power', and then Vaishyas started 'ruling'
by 'money', and finally, Shudras started 'ruling' by 'service'. WE
MUST UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH THE SYSTEM, THERE IS PROBLEM
WITH THE 'PEOPLE' WHO ARE USING THE SYSTEM FOR THEIR 'SELFISH INTEREST'.
If we see the European, American, Australian or any other western
society, you will find it is based on 'slavery'. 'Slavery' in Hindu
society came from the western sources, and some of Hindu people have
adopted it for their selfish reasons. WE HAVE TO 'FINISH' SUCH
'SELFISH PEOPLE' WHO ARE ACTING AGAINST THE 'COMMON INTEREST' AND NOT THE
'SYSTEM' ITSELF. OF COURSE, WE HAVE TO MAKE CHANGES IN THE 'SYSTEM'
SO THAT IT BECOMES MORE EFFICIENT. In fact, Western countries are
looking towards Hindu Dharm to get equal treatment in the society, and that
is the reason why many western people are studying and propogating Hindu
Dharm through various channels like ISKCON and others.
FINALLY, A WORD OF CAUTION. PLEASE TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE GAME
OF BOTH 'MUSLIMS' AND 'CHRISTIANS'. THEY ARE TRYING TO INCREASE THEIR
NUMBER BY CONVERTING HINDUS TO THEIR RELIGION. IF YOU READ QURAN OR
BIBLE, YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THAT BIBLE MATERIAL HAS BEEN STOLEN FROM HINDU
LITERATURE, AND QURAN IS TRYING TO ELIMINATE OTHER RELIGIONS SO THAT
MUSLIMS CAN 'RULE' THE WORLD. OF COURSE, 'CHRISTIANS' ARE ALSO IN THE
RACE. BUT IF YOU SEE THE CRIMINAL RECORDS OF BOTH MUSLIMS AND
CHRISTIANS, YOU WILL COME TO A CONCLUSION THAT HINDU OR VED DHARM IS MUCH
BETTER FOR ALL. PLEASE DO NOT SAY THAT ALL RELIGIONS ARE SAME IF YOU
DON'T READ THEIR HOLY BOOKS. WE MADE THAT MISTAKE IN INDIA, I DON'T
WANT NEPAL TO FOLLOW INDIA AND GET INTO THE SAME TRAP.
OR SEARCH IN GOOGLE 'list of criminal records of papacy'.
IT'S DIRTY WORLD OUT THERE.
OR SEARCH IN GOOGLE 'islamic conquest'.
WE HINDUS ARE THE MOST PEACE LOVING PEOPLE IN THE WORLD WITH GREAT
TRADITION AND KNOWLEDGE FROM VEDAS. BE PROUD WHAT WE ARE AND NOT RUN
AFTER 'FAILED HYPOCRATIC STATES' FROM THE WEST OR MIDDLE EAST!
From: Hillman 2C [Washington DC, Today] <hill...@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Castesim in Nepal/ Janjatis and the Bahuns ? हामी २०% बाहुन
क्षेत्री उच्च जातहरु ५
सय वर्षम्म शासन गर्ने
हिम्मतका साथ काम गरिरहेका
छौ
To: "DEEP RAJ GURUNG" <moc...@wlink.com.np>,
"Mohan/Kanchan SS Timilsina" <mktim...@hotmail.com>,
"Dr. Kaushal Tiwari" <drkau...@yahoo.com>, "Dipesh
Limbu" <limbu_...@hotmail.com>, "Dr. Anil
Bhattarai" <anbh...@yahoo.com>, "Misras"
<mis...@ntc.net.np>, "Office of the Prime Minister and Council
of Ministers Singh Durbar Kathmandu Nepal" <in...@opmcm.gov.np>,
"Ministry of Foreign Affairs" <a...@mofa.gov.np>
Received: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 2:07 AM
a) Ethnicity and national
identiy are different terms and have different meanings also. And Nepalse
is a national identity of the people of Nepal.
b) Diverse ethnic groups of peoples
live in Nepal in harmony[?], we may claim in a broader sense.
c) But write-up by CHITRARAJ
UPADHYAYA BASTOLA below has caused some nuisance. It reflects
that there are some people who do not seem positive to stand
for social change and development in the country.
d) Also some people seem to be
believing that there should be leaders/policy makers/ from among
the respective ethnic groups in the country.
e) yes, it is an opportunity to thank
Mr. Bastola to have opened this avenue for discussion on one of the the
crucial issues of the country.
f) The State is responsible for
doing everything possible for the people. And Naya Nepal
[ Gorkhapatra Daily ] which is published in 25 different
languages simply and outwardly seems fine but it hasn't really helped
prevent people like Mr. Bastola from spitting venom !
This is a good example of education for Nepalese
& I don't take this otherwise.
Because if you response positively it
contains a meaningful message for awareness & it is a good knowledge
which have touches your mind, but you must not take for any group or
family, if you feel, this is for all the Nepalese it has got big meaning.
Even it is fake but it has brought a big sansation
among the Nepalese community. Thanks for those person who create this
amazing idea.
DEEP RAJ GURUNG
On Wed 9/12/09 6:06 AM , "Hillman 2C [Washington DC, Today]" hill...@gmail.com
sent:
The
reaction is natural. The boast is probably due to the fact that the
Janjatis are still following the Bahuns as their leaders.
Many
janjati organisations have remained as affiliated, subordinated
organisations of the parties run by the Bahuns.
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Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday,
December 08, 2009 6:51 AM
Subject: Re:Time Has came
to think very DEEPLY/ हामी २०%
बाहुन क्षेत्री उच्च जातहरु ५ सय वर्षम्म शासन गर्ने हिम्मतका साथ काम गरिरहेका छौ
I saw several thought & views From several people Around
country.This is off course not very good to talk about
Cast & Race but Time Has came to think very DEEPLY
Mohan
timilsina
Atlanta
GA,USA.
From: anil bhattarai <anbh...@yahoo.com>
To:
Sent: Mon, December 7, 2009 10:22:25 AM
Subject: NAPALESE IS MY (OUR) ETHNICITY!
yes, after reading that email from Mr
Bastola, i found some kind of deep radicalism on his email. it's
really harmful for our socity.
such persons should be avoided from
Nepalese people, only that i can understand. our Nationality is our
ETHNICITY as NEPALI,, and nothing else, that's all and full stop.
be together brothers and sisters,, now
we should be aware from such radical ideologies.
i am sure such baseless and stupid
messages will be ignored from all of us.
PhD fellow in Cardiac Surgery
Departement of Cardio- Vascular
Surgery
From: "Parbate
Jetho [New York City, NY]" <parb...@gmail.com>
To: Dr. Kaushal Tiwari <drkau...@yahoo.com>
Cc: Sent: Sun, December 6, 2009 2:01:11 PM
Subject: Re: NAPALESE IS MY (OUR) ETHNICITY !
Thank you for your thoughts below.
From: Dr. Kaushal Tiwari <drkau...@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sun, December 6, 2009 11:11:08 AM
Subject: NAPALESE IS MY (OUR) ETHNICITY!
This is a provoking e-mail (e-mail from Mr Bastola) for all Nepalese.
We must be alert, someone is trying to devide us and rule on us. So we must
discard such e-mail. Remember, few years ago we never talked about such
things, because King didn't had any intesion to devide us and rule, as they
were already ruling and were Nationalist and were thinking
about people and country. If we flashback our memory,
we all were living in a harmonic society, even though there were some
internal problems.
I think this is absolutely absurd to talk about these ethnical thing,
which will cause division in our country. We all are Nepalese. What is our
past ethnic history or origin is not a matter of disscussion. Instead we
all should join hand together and make every ethnic group to be proud of it
and proud of each other. We must respect others to be respected. If we love
Nepal, we want to make it great, we must abandon these type of ethnic
division thinking. We must take example from USA. Anybody living
in USA, even if they have migrated few years back to the country, say
they are American and they are proud of it. So there is little chance of
ethnical conflict. Unlike USA, we have a diverse history for the
centuries. We must be able to accomodate each other in our heart.
If we start fighting like this, we won't have time to develop the
country. Once we are developed, everybody is literate, prosperous and
happy, there won't be any such type of discrimination. This is not a time for
thinking about ourself only, instead we must think about country. If we
look carefully and analyse the situation in the country, it is going
towards division and destruction. Our politicians are really unaware
of it, or they are careless what is going to happen to the country. So, we
people lilving abroad, educated people, civil soceity and all nationalist
should be united and move forward to save this country. If there will be
Nepal, then only we will have our identity as any ethnic group. By
division we are going to be weak and vulnerable. By unity we will
be strong and can stand any turmoil.
I hope we all will ingnore such type of baseless, provoking
and "STUPID" mails from any of us.
Please be NEPALESE. This is our Nationality and this should be our
ETHNICITY. I am happy to be called as NEPALESE ETHNIC
group rather a BRAHMIN. I am sure if not all of
us, most of us would like to be NEPALESE ETHNIC group.
I pray to all the GOD in the universe to give wisdom to all of us so
that we can be united.
Lets all pray for this aim to our GOD, which ever GOD we pray
for. Who knows, the deram of peace, prosperity and unity might come
true soon.
With heartily greetings to all.
_____________________________________
Dr Kaushal K Tiwari, MD(Hons), MS,
IMCS
PhD Fellow in Cardiac Surgery
Sant Anna School of Advance Studies, Pisa
Department of Adult Cardiac Surgery
G. Pasquinucci Heart Hospital
Via Aurelia Sud, Montepepe
Massa, 54100, Italy
Tel - +39-0585-493604
Fax- +39-0585-493614
Mobile - +39-3881246366
Sent: Sun, December 6, 2009 6:43:02 AM
Subject: RE: Denouncing Bahun Supremacy in Nepal ( उनीहरुको त्यो दिवा सपना
मात्र हो)
Below is a article containing crude hatred by a
Nepali Bhahun who favours the much denounced Bahun Supremacy in Nepal.
This may be a topic for discussion on how the Hindu Casteist
System is pushing South Asian societies back and what can be
done in this regard.
______________________________________________
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Sent: Mon, November 30, 2009 9:50:36 PM
Interesting article whoever dare to write it but if you analize
certainly it should touch our heart. All Indigenous bro-sis he is
challenging us and we must be ready to secrifice and be determinate to
reach in buttom. Of course, some of them are facts he wrote which we've to
accept because of Lahure sankar, we did not focus on our study. Among lakhs
5 families, hardly 100 made their life bright being lahure but rest us
baceme servant of braminizm. If we are all now educated, definately our
position would be better . However, time come and its our time we'd not
miss this opportunity. Lets join our hands and show him what happen if one
dare to sleeping tiger.
Limbuwan, khabuwan, mangarat, tamansila, mithila, tamuwan, sherpa,
tharuhat and kochila and more.............
Then we'll have to invite this guy for table talk.
Sewaro and good luck to all of us.
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