Hindu Swamsweka Shangha Nepal is launching a massive movement to rescue Cows. It is a joint venture of Madhesi pahadi, thaaru, etc where the political differences have ceased to exist since the truth behind the politics has been exposed.
The organization is performing puja of 1008 cows on holy day of ashtami in Bardiya. It is organized by the Bheri zone committee of organization. On October 18, the puja and rally will be held nationally. On Dec 25, again a massive rally to rescue cows will he held in the west.
One of the CA members has been bribed bribed Rs. 50 lakh to propose rhinoceros as national animal in the parliament. This will enable them to kill cows legally. Few weeks ago, a muslim tried to slaughter a cow, but was rescued by this organiznation. Later the cow was worshiped by minister Badu. 13 muslims were arrested in Nepalgunj for cow slaughter and selling beef in Nepal. Later, they were all released. They proved that it was indeed buffalo meat, not beef by bribing Kathmandu. Of course, media ignored all these events.
Whenever there is a decline of Dharma or the righteousness and the rise of Adharma or the unrighteousness then I incarnate Myself, O Arjun. I incarnate in every age for the protection of the good, for the destruction or transformation of the wicked, and for the establishment of Dharma. (Bhagvad Geeta 4.07-08)"
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________________________________ From: ramans shriman <msb...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Muni's Interview & Planned Eradication of Hinduism-hindus must protect
hindus must protect hinduism in nepal and establish holy vedic raj dharma there as experiment and show to the world how best and how most economical (almost 11000 times ) raj dharma is as compared to dirty democracy.
dirty democracy is the most rubish method of governance as proven in asian subcontinenet india pakhnistan srilanka bagladesh right up to far east . west dosent hv democary they follow hypocracy with parts of raj dharma included . therfore it is a must for global hindus to proove themselves that they exist --- On Thu, 9/17/09, Ashutosh Shrivastav <ashutosh.x.shrivas...@unnepal.org> wrote:
>Dr. Babu Ram Bhattarai, the Maoists’ Party ideologue and the vice president has blamed that the parties currently in the “coalition government were conspiring to halt the constitution drafting process”. >Dr. Bhattarai was addressing a program organized by the Maoists’ Party affiliated Republic Coordination Committee in Kathmandu, September 16, 2009. >“If we are not allowed to draft the constitution in a normal manner, we will be forced to take on to another path that may not be comfortable to those who have been partnering the incumbent government”, he added. >“The Third Uprising will set the framework for yet another revolt” he went on to say adding, “The armed revolt will ensure a new constitution for the country.” >Bhattarai had earlier blamed that the parliamentary parties of Nepal were conspiring to revive the constitution of 1990. >Dr. Bhattarai serving stern warning to the ruling coalition partners said, “If the parliamentary parties do not come to consensus by mid-November, the Maoists’ party will bring some sort of hurricane in Nepali politics..” >“We will organize nation-wide protest programs after the month of Kartik-November, 2009.” >“We fought for 12 years from the villages, now we will shake the cities”, Bhattarai concluded. >Dr. Bhattarai coincidently has made such threat loaded remarks upon meeting his Indian mentor, S. D. Muni, who was recently in town. >Mr. Muni is a declared Nepal hater. >_________________________________________________________
>Sincerely,
>Ashutosh Shrivastav >Secretary General >United Nationalist Nepalese >A Non Profit Corporation >Ph: 832-660-1527 >www.unnepal.org >========================================================================== === >Whenever there is a decline of Dharma or the righteousness and the rise of Adharma or the unrighteousness then I incarnate Myself, O Arjun. I incarnate in every age for the protection of the good, for the destruction or transformation of the wicked, and for the establishment of Dharma. (Bhagvad Geeta 4.07-08)" >========================================================================== === >This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information.Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. >__________________________________________________________________________ __________
>Following is Sukh Deo’s interview to one of the Nepali newspaper. Since Muni was copied in few emails that we exchanged, we expected a little change in his perception towards Nepal. However, it didn’t seem to affect him.
>I do not agree with almost anything that he says in this interview. I am not sure whether they are his words or he is forced to speak this in Nepalese media. The only common factor that Nepal shares with India is Hinduism. Rest of things is illusionary. Common religion is what binds Nepal & India together.
>Please maintain a check of what few Indian politicians and diplomats say about Nepal and what role do they exactly play. It is because of few ignorant diplomats, India and Indians are perceived notorious in Nepalese society. As we all know, Nepal was the only Hindu Kingdom in the world. With the congress government in power, Nepal’s monarchy was abolished and the country was declared secular. We all know that religion was never an issue for Nepal. However, a Ghost suddenly edited the Interim constitution and declared the country secular. There are reports that Anti Hindu groups are advocating for cow slaughter in Nepal.
>It is evident that Indian Congress has historically been against Hindus. Nepal’s Hindu monarchy was abolished with the help of Indian government.
>We, the UNN, summarily reject the forceful declaration of Nepal as republic and secular country. We need the support of World Hindu Organizations/Buddhist organizations to make Nepal a peaceful place to live. Conversion is expeditiously going on; Hindus are forcefully converted every second whereas politicians have kept the public busy with political agenda.
>Nepal’s declaration as a secular country is a matter of Shame for the Global Hindus. It is a symbolic attack on Hinduism. The sooner hindus act, the better it will be. As one of the members suggested, toppling the Congress government could work in the biggest advantage for India and for the people who support justice, peace, democracy, human rights, freedom and Dharma. Congress’s philosophy is against these elements; their core motto is to destroy Hinduism, and do not employ democracy, human rights, peace to anyone who is a Hindu.
>Sincerely,
>Ashutosh Shrivastav >Founder/Secretary General >United Nationalist Nepalese >A Non Profit Corporation >Ph: 832-660-1527 >www.unnepal.org >========================================================================== === >Whenever there is a decline of Dharma or the righteousness and the rise of Adharma or the unrighteousness then I incarnate Myself, O Arjun. I incarnate in every age for the protection of the good, for the destruction or transformation of the wicked, and for the establishment of Dharma. (Bhagvad Geeta 4.07-08)" >========================================================================== === >This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information.Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. >__________________________________________________________________________ __________
‘Sarva dharma sambhava’, not
‘Secularism.’ Tilak B. Shrestha, Ph.D. June
2006
Apparently some foreigners have
come to Nepal and trying to teach us the virtue of being secular. Let us take a quick survey
of today’s world. Presently there is not
a single Hindu country in the world.
Christianity is the state
religion of 19 countries including Britain, Greece, Iceland, Liechtenstein,
Malta, Monaco, Norway, Vatican, Haiti, Colombia, Panama, and Paraguay. British queen or king has to take oath of
defending Christianity. Costa Rica is legally secular but state supports
churches. USA is legally secular, but both country and government has Christian
characteristics. All the leaders including President and Chief justices take
oath on the bible, not on secular constitution. Some of the American states
have mandated to teach the bible in the public schools. Churches are quite
active both in politics and education; and foreign evangelism. USA though
preaches secularism supports Israel,
a declared Jewish state. When South Vietnam was under US control, it always supported
Vietnamese Christians at the expense of Vietnamese Buddhist, which makes almost
85% of the population. The martyrdom of many Buddhist monks for the justice is
a well-documented history.
Israel is created solely in the
basis of religion of Judaism. Islam is the state religion of 25 countries including Afghanistan, Algeria, Bangladesh, Brunei, Egypt, Iran,
Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Libya, Malaysia, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Pakistan,
Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Tunisia. Pakistan is created solely in the
basis of Islam. By constitution, a non-Muslim cannot be the President or the
Prime minister of Pakistan.
A religious sect called ‘Ahmedia’ is officially prosecuted. Bangladesh was
a secular country when created in 1971. But became an Islamic country in 1982
although about 20% of the population is non-Muslim. In Maldives only
Muslims can be citizen. In Syria only a Muslim can be
president. Indonesia is legally secular, but state supports Islam. In Malaysia non-Muslims are officially
second-class citizens. In Iran persecutions of non-Muslims, especially a sect called ‘Bahai’, are well
documented. In Saudi Arabia,
non-Muslims cannot take any of their personal religious objects like a bible. Buddhism is the state religion of 5 countries including Bhutan, Cambodia, and Thailand.
There are 12 secular countries in
the world including Nepal, India, Japan, USA, Australia, Romania, France, New
Zealand, Singapore, South Korea, Turkey and Azerbaijan.
Whenever there is a decline of Dharma or the righteousness and the rise of Adharma or the unrighteousness then I incarnate Myself, O Arjun. I incarnate in every age for the protection of the good, for the destruction or transformation of the wicked, and for the establishment of Dharma. (Bhagvad Geeta 4.07-08)"
________________________________
From: Sradda Thapa <sradda.th...@gmail.com>
Subject: Muni's Interview & Planned Eradication of Hinduism-hindus must protect
Dear all,
While we're on the topic of rhinoceros and dirty democracy I just wanted to say I just finished a GREAT book. "Identity & Society - Social Exclusion and Inclusion in Nepal" by SNV's Social Inclusion Research Fund is a light read but very informative. I enjoyed it greatly and am looking to read the remaining papers that didn't make it into the book.
Best,
Sradda
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Ashutosh Shrivastav <shrivastavashut...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hindu Swamsweka Shangha Nepal is launching a massive movement to rescue Cows. It is a joint venture of Madhesi pahadi, thaaru, etc where the political differences have ceased to exist since the truth behind the politics has been exposed.
>The organization is performing puja of 1008 cows on holy day of ashtami in Bardiya. It is organized by the Bheri zone committee of organization. On October 18, the puja and rally will be held nationally. On Dec 25, again a massive rally to rescue cows will he held in the
> west.
>One of the CA members has been bribed bribed Rs. 50 lakh to propose rhinoceros as national animal in the parliament. This will enable them to kill cows legally. Few weeks ago, a muslim tried to slaughter a cow, but was rescued by this organiznation. Later the cow was worshiped by minister Badu. 13 muslims were arrested in Nepalgunj for cow slaughter and selling beef in Nepal. Later, they were all released. They proved that it was indeed buffalo meat, not beef by bribing Kathmandu. Of course, media ignored all these events.
>Whenever there is a decline of Dharma or the righteousness and the rise
> of Adharma or the unrighteousness then I incarnate Myself, O Arjun. I incarnate in every age for the protection of the good, for the destruction or transformation of the wicked, and for the establishment of Dharma. (Bhagvad Geeta 4.07-08)"
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>Subject: Re: Muni's Interview & Planned Eradication of Hinduism-hindus must protect
>hindus must protect hinduism in nepal and establish >holy vedic raj dharma there as experiment and show to the world how best and how most economical (almost 11000 times ) raj dharma is as compared to dirty democracy.
>dirty democracy is the most rubish method of governance as proven in asian subcontinenet india pakhnistan srilanka bagladesh right up to far east .
>west dosent hv democary they follow hypocracy with parts of raj dharma included >.
>therfore it is a must for global hindus to proove themselves that they exist
>--- On Thu, 9/17/09, Ashutosh Shrivastav <ashutosh.x.shrivas...@unnepal.org> wrote:
>>Dr. Babu Ram Bhattarai, the Maoists’ Party ideologue and the vice president has blamed that the parties currently in the “coalition government were conspiring to halt the constitution drafting process”. >>Dr. Bhattarai was addressing a program organized by the Maoists’ Party affiliated Republic Coordination Committee in Kathmandu, September 16, 2009. >>“If we are not allowed to draft the constitution in a normal manner, we will be forced to take on to another path that may not be comfortable to those who have been partnering the incumbent government”, he added. >>“The Third Uprising will set the framework for yet another revolt” he went on to say adding, “The armed revolt will ensure a new constitution for the country.” >>Bhattarai had earlier blamed that the parliamentary parties of Nepal were conspiring to revive the constitution of 1990.
>>Dr. Bhattarai serving stern warning to the ruling coalition partners said, “If the parliamentary parties do not come to consensus by mid-November, the Maoists’ party will bring some sort of hurricane in Nepali politics..” >>“We will organize nation-wide protest programs after the month of Kartik-November, 2009.”
>>“We fought for 12 years from the villages, now we will shake the cities”, Bhattarai concluded. >>Dr. Bhattarai coincidently has made such threat loaded remarks upon meeting his Indian mentor, S. D. Muni, who was recently in town. >>Mr. Muni is a declared Nepal hater. >>_________________________________________________________
>>Sincerely,
>>Ashutosh Shrivastav >>Secretary General >>United Nationalist Nepalese >>A Non Profit Corporation >>Ph: 832-660-1527 >>www.unnepal.org >>========================================================================= ==== >>Whenever there is a decline of Dharma or the righteousness and the rise of Adharma or the unrighteousness then I incarnate Myself, O Arjun. I incarnate in every age for the protection of the good, for the destruction or transformation of the wicked, and for the establishment of Dharma. (Bhagvad Geeta 4.07-08)" >>========================================================================= ==== >>This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information.Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. >>_________________________________________________________________________ ___________
How differently are you treated by your Friends and Nepal government now compared to few years back? Do they like you more or dislike you? Do they fear you or respect you more?
Whenever there is a decline of Dharma or the righteousness and the rise of Adharma or the unrighteousness then I incarnate Myself, O Arjun. I incarnate in every age for the protection of the good, for the destruction or transformation of the wicked, and for the establishment of Dharma. (Bhagvad Geeta 4.07-08)"
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From: Sradda Thapa <sradda.th...@gmail.com>
To: nepaldemocracy@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:09:11 AM
Subject: [Voice Of Nepal] Re: [ND] Muni's Interview & Planned Eradication of Hinduism
wourld sarva dharma sambhava give me my freedoms?
you know freedom of speech, religion, press, right to peacable assemble, right to petition government for a redress of grievance....
of course these freedoms come from the first amendment of the US constitution, but they seem like pretty good freedoms to me, so i'm just wondering...
and i realize we were only hindu kingdom in the world and that we enjoyed typing this as the first sentence to any paper we wrote about nepal, but what would a hindu democratic nepal entail? would only a hindu be given provision to become a pres/pm? would only hindus get to sweat for the country and enter government? or would it make space and be tolerant of muslims, buddhists, catholics, animists, farsis, sikhs, and why yes, even people like me, christians who call this place home.
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Ashutosh Shrivastav <shrivastavashut...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>‘Sarva dharma sambhava’, not
>‘Secularism.’ Tilak B. Shrestha, Ph.D. June
>2006
>Apparently some foreigners have
>come to Nepal
>and trying to teach us the virtue of being secular. Let us take a quick survey
>of today’s world. Presently there is not
>a single Hindu country in the world.
>Christianity is the state
>religion of 19 countries including Britain, Greece, Iceland, Liechtenstein,
>Malta, Monaco, Norway, Vatican, Haiti, Colombia, Panama, and Paraguay. British queen or king has to take oath of
>defending Christianity. Costa
> Rica is legally secular but state supports
>churches. USA
>is legally secular, but both country and government has Christian
>characteristics. All the leaders including President and Chief justices take
>oath on the bible, not on secular constitution. Some of the American states
>have mandated to teach the bible in the public schools. Churches are quite
>active both in politics and education; and foreign evangelism. USA though
>preaches secularism supports Israel,
>a declared Jewish state. When South
> Vietnam was under US control, it always supported
>Vietnamese Christians at the expense of Vietnamese Buddhist, which makes almost
>85% of the population. The martyrdom of many Buddhist monks for the justice is
>a well-documented history.
>Israel is created solely in the
>basis of religion of Judaism. >Islam is the state religion of 25 >countries including Afghanistan, Algeria, Bangladesh, Brunei, Egypt, Iran,
>Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Libya, Malaysia, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Pakistan,
>Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Tunisia. >Pakistan is created solely in the
>basis of Islam. By constitution, a non-Muslim cannot be the President or the
>Prime minister of Pakistan.
>A religious sect called ‘Ahmedia’ is officially prosecuted. Bangladesh was
>a secular country when created in 1971. But became an Islamic country in 1982
>although about 20% of the population is non-Muslim. In Maldives only
>Muslims can be citizen. >In Syria only a Muslim can be
>president. Indonesia
>is legally secular, but state supports Islam. In Malaysia non-Muslims are officially
>second-class citizens. In Iran
>persecutions of non-Muslims, especially a sect called ‘Bahai’, are well
>documented. In Saudi Arabia,
>non-Muslims cannot take any of their personal religious objects like a bible. >Buddhism is the state religion of
>5 countries including Bhutan, Cambodia, and Thailand.
>There are 12 secular countries in
>the world including Nepal, India, Japan, USA, Australia, Romania, France, New
>Zealand, Singapore, South Korea, Turkey and Azerbaijan.
>Whenever there is a decline of Dharma or the righteousness and the rise of Adharma or the unrighteousness then I incarnate Myself, O Arjun. I incarnate in every age for the protection of the good, for the destruction or transformation of the wicked, and for the establishment of Dharma. (Bhagvad Geeta 4.07-08)"
>Subject: Muni's Interview & Planned Eradication of Hinduism-hindus must protect
>>Dear all,
>While we're on the topic of rhinoceros and dirty democracy I just wanted to say I just finished a GREAT book. "Identity & Society - Social Exclusion and Inclusion in Nepal" by SNV's Social Inclusion Research Fund is a light read but very informative. I enjoyed it greatly and am looking to read the remaining papers that didn't make it into the book.
>Hindu Swamsweka Shangha Nepal is launching a massive movement to rescue Cows. It is a joint venture of Madhesi pahadi, thaaru, etc where the political differences have ceased to exist since the truth behind the politics has been exposed.
>>The organization is performing puja of 1008 cows on holy day of ashtami in Bardiya. It is organized by the Bheri zone committee of organization. On October 18, the puja and rally will be held nationally. On Dec 25, again a massive rally to rescue cows will he held in the
>> west.
>>One of the CA members has been bribed bribed Rs. 50 lakh to propose rhinoceros as national animal in the parliament. This will enable them to kill cows legally. Few weeks ago, a muslim tried to slaughter a cow, but was rescued by this organiznation. Later the cow was worshiped by minister Badu. 13 muslims were arrested in Nepalgunj for cow slaughter and selling beef in Nepal. Later, they were all released. They proved that it was indeed buffalo meat, not beef by bribing Kathmandu. Of course, media ignored all these events.
>>Whenever there is a decline of Dharma or the righteousness and the rise
>> of Adharma or the unrighteousness then I incarnate Myself, O Arjun. I incarnate in every age for the protection of the good, for the destruction or transformation of the wicked, and for the establishment of Dharma. (Bhagvad Geeta 4.07-08)"
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>>_________________________________________________________________________ __________________
>>Subject: Re: Muni's Interview & Planned Eradication of Hinduism-hindus must protect
>>hindus must protect hinduism in nepal and establish >>holy vedic raj dharma there as experiment and show to the world how best and how most economical (almost 11000 times ) raj dharma is as compared to dirty democracy.
>>dirty democracy is the most rubish method of governance as proven in asian subcontinenet india pakhnistan srilanka bagladesh right up to far east .
>>west dosent hv democary they follow hypocracy with parts of raj dharma included >>.
>>therfore it is a must for global hindus to proove themselves that they exist
>>--- On Thu, 9/17/09, Ashutosh Shrivastav <ashutosh.x.shrivas...@unnepal.org> wrote:
>>>Dr. Babu Ram Bhattarai, the Maoists’ Party ideologue and the vice president has blamed that the parties currently in the “coalition government were conspiring to halt the constitution drafting process”. >>>Dr. Bhattarai was addressing a program organized by the Maoists’ Party affiliated Republic Coordination Committee in Kathmandu, September 16, 2009. >>>“If we are not allowed to draft the constitution in a normal manner, we will be forced to take on to another path that may not be comfortable to those
I am embarrassed of few extremists who may have
threatened your family anonymously. But the experiences of others are no
different. We have been beaten everyday by a Christian teacher from
Kerala because our Lord Ganesha had "huge belly". I still
remember; from KG to Grade 5. The trend didn't end there and even in High
School days those Xaverian Christian teachers would humiliate publicly for our
faith. And so has been the experience of everyone, race-wise.
I don’t think you are being treated any better/worse
compared to pre-2006. Neither have I
been treated any better/worse post-2006 after Madhesis joined the state
mechanism. Nothing has changed.
I am not suspecting of the threat calls that you may have
received; but it’s doesn’t digest very well with the everyday facts. Muslims have Mosque/Madarsa everywhere and
openly pray (with giant loud speakers) five times a day. They think praying with loud speakers five
times a day is their right, but they forget the duty to respect other’s
privacy. That’s why they pray with the
loud speakers.
If I remember correctly, every city in Nepal has these mosques
and everywhere they scream. Interestingly
enough, they have one right in front of Durbar. No government has ever interfered or asked them to Shut Up. I wonder what stopped you from wishing someone
from another religion openly and you had to “whisper”.
Historically, Christians and Muslims never got
along. In Nepal, under the roof of
Hinduism, they were protected from Christian extremism. With growing conversion, Muslims now feel
insecure. Reports are there that Muslims
will launch a movement to revert back Nepal as a Hindu country.
Let’s see where this country is heading towards….Afghanistan.
Iraq, Israel…
We’ve to appeal the Buddhist organizations to rescue this
Birth place of peace pioneer Lord Buddha.
Sincerely,
Ashutosh Shrivastav
Secretary General
United Nationalist Nepalese
A Non Profit Corporation
Email: ashutosh.x.shrivas...@unnepal.org
Web:www.unnepal.org
Whenever there is a decline of Dharma or the righteousness and the rise of Adharma or the unrighteousness then I incarnate Myself, O Arjun. I incarnate in every age for the protection of the good, for the destruction or transformation of the wicked, and for the establishment of Dharma. (Bhagvad Geeta 4.07-08)"
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From: Sradda Thapa <sradda.th...@gmail.com>
To: nepaldemocracy@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:45:34 AM
Subject: [ND] Re: Muni's Interview & Planned Eradication of Hinduism
Good question, but the factors that contributed to how I was treated/liked/feared accepted vary too much for me to give you a straight answer.
So, all I can say is I am happy I no longer have to worry about my mother receiving phone calls from anonymous folks telling my family my father's motorcycle number and threatening to take him to prison because his faith differs from the "country's" and having our phone bugged and having to whisper Merry Christmas like I did when I was a kid and that I can, this week, wish my Hindu friends a very Happy Dashain and my muslim friends Eid Mubarak as loud and as often as I like. I like that the town I live in that straddles the Indian border blares Hindu hymns late into the night and that I can hear the Imam call at the week hours of the morning and on Saturday morning I can make my way to a church.
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Ashutosh Shrivastav <shrivastavashut...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>How differently are you treated by your Friends and Nepal government now compared to few years back? Do they like you more or dislike you? Do they fear you or respect you more?
>Whenever there is a decline of Dharma or the righteousness and the rise of Adharma or the unrighteousness then I incarnate Myself, O Arjun. I incarnate in every age for the protection of the good, for the destruction or transformation of the wicked, and for the establishment of Dharma. (Bhagvad Geeta 4.07-08)"
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>__________________________________________________________________________ _________________
>To: nepaldemocracy@googlegroups.com
>Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:09:11 AM
>Subject: [Voice Of Nepal] Re: [ND] Muni's Interview & Planned Eradication of Hinduism
>>wourld sarva dharma sambhava give me my freedoms?
>you know freedom of speech, religion, press, right to peacable assemble, right to petition government for a redress of grievance....
>of course these freedoms come from the first amendment of the US constitution, but they seem like pretty good freedoms to me, so i'm just wondering...
>and i realize we were only hindu kingdom in the world and that we enjoyed typing this as the first sentence to any paper we wrote about nepal, but what would a hindu democratic nepal entail? would only a hindu be given provision to become a pres/pm? would only hindus get to sweat for the country and enter government? or would it make space and be tolerant of muslims, buddhists, catholics, animists, farsis, sikhs, and why yes, even people like me, christians who call this place home.
>>‘Sarva dharma sambhava’, not
>>‘Secularism.’ Tilak B. Shrestha, Ph.D. June
>>2006
>>Apparently some foreigners have
>>come to Nepal
>>and trying to teach us the virtue of being secular. Let us take a quick survey
>>of today’s world. Presently there is not
>>a single Hindu country in the world.
>>Christianity is the state
>>religion of 19 countries including Britain, Greece, Iceland, Liechtenstein,
>>Malta, Monaco, Norway, Vatican, Haiti, Colombia, Panama, and Paraguay. British queen or king has to take oath of
>>defending Christianity. Costa
>> Rica is legally secular but state supports
>>churches. USA
>>is legally secular, but both country and government has Christian
>>characteristics. All the leaders including President and Chief justices take
>>oath on the bible, not on secular constitution. Some of the American states
>>have mandated to teach the bible in the public schools. Churches are quite
>>active both in politics and education; and foreign evangelism. USA though
>>preaches secularism supports Israel,
>>a declared Jewish state. When South
>> Vietnam was under US control, it always supported
>>Vietnamese Christians at the expense of Vietnamese Buddhist, which makes almost
>>85% of the population. The martyrdom of many Buddhist monks for the justice is
>>a well-documented history.
>>Israel is created solely in the
>>basis of religion of Judaism. >>Islam is the state religion of 25 >>countries including Afghanistan, Algeria, Bangladesh, Brunei, Egypt, Iran,
>>Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Libya, Malaysia, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Pakistan,
>>Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Tunisia. >>Pakistan is created solely in the
>>basis of Islam. By constitution, a non-Muslim cannot be the President or the
>>Prime minister of Pakistan.
>>A religious sect called ‘Ahmedia’ is officially prosecuted. Bangladesh was
>>a secular country when created in 1971. But became an Islamic country in 1982
>>although about 20% of the population is non-Muslim. In Maldives only
>>Muslims can be citizen. >>In Syria only a Muslim can be
>>president. Indonesia
>>is legally secular, but state supports Islam. In Malaysia non-Muslims are officially
>>second-class citizens. In Iran
>>persecutions of non-Muslims, especially a sect called ‘Bahai’, are well
>>documented. In Saudi Arabia,
>>non-Muslims cannot take any of their personal religious objects like a bible. >>Buddhism is the state religion of
>>5 countries including Bhutan, Cambodia, and Thailand.
>>There are 12 secular countries in
>>the world including Nepal, India, Japan, USA, Australia, Romania, France, New
>>Zealand, Singapore, South Korea, Turkey and Azerbaijan.
>>Whenever there is a decline of Dharma or the righteousness and the rise of Adharma or the unrighteousness then I incarnate Myself, O Arjun. I incarnate in every age for the protection of the good, for the destruction or transformation of the wicked, and for the establishment of Dharma. (Bhagvad Geeta 4.07-08)"
The answer is "Yes", but only if Nepal were a Hindu country. Since it's a secular and an exemplary "democratic" nation now, no one's faith/freedom/rights/justice is guaranteed. Let's not get to the argument of whose dad had only been threatened and whose family has been chopped off. You know about it. We can write few books on "fear" and the unavoidable fear that we will have to live up with.
Perhaps the Christian-Muslim string will take a "serious" shape and not will be "funny" in the near future. History is evidence and it cannot go wrong. We can only pray for it to go wrong.
Build a system that works for us. We don't have to copy from anyone.
Whenever there is a decline of Dharma or the righteousness and the rise of Adharma or the unrighteousness then I incarnate Myself, O Arjun. I incarnate in every age for the protection of the good, for the destruction or transformation of the wicked, and for the establishment of Dharma. (Bhagvad Geeta 4.07-08)"
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From: Sradda Thapa <sradda.th...@gmail.com>
To: nepaldemocracy@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 1:21:06 AM
Subject: [ND] Re: Muni's Interview & Planned Eradication of Hinduism
Funny you mention how under the roof of Hinduism Muslims were protected from Christian extremism...I wasn't aware of Christians activities aimed at threatening the Muslims in Nepal.
As for whispering Merry Christmas as kids...well, what would you do if your dad was being threatened because he was christian? And wishing my friends on their religious holidays was meant to say I enjoy living in a place where people of different faiths co-exist.
In any case, your experience at St. Xavier by the school/staff and mine with the administration/government of Nepal....well, I guess proves there are various (some harmful) degrees of both our faiths...but my original question was "will my freedoms be granted in sarva dharma sambhava"...
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Ashutosh Shrivastav <shrivastavashut...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>I am embarrassed of few extremists who may have
>threatened your family anonymously. But the experiences of others are no
>different. We have been beaten everyday by a Christian teacher from
>Kerala because our Lord Ganesha had "huge belly". I still
>remember; from KG to Grade 5. The trend didn't end there and even in High
>School days those Xaverian Christian teachers would humiliate publicly for our
>faith. And so has been the experience of everyone, race-wise.
>I don’t think you are being treated any better/worse
>compared to pre-2006. Neither have I
>been treated any better/worse post-2006 after Madhesis joined the state
>mechanism. Nothing has changed.
>I am not suspecting of the threat calls that you may have
>received; but it’s doesn’t digest very well with the everyday facts. Muslims have Mosque/Madarsa everywhere and
>openly pray (with giant loud speakers) five times a day. They think praying with loud speakers five
>times a day is their right, but they forget the duty to respect other’s
>privacy. That’s why they pray with the
>loud speakers.
>If I remember correctly, every city in Nepal has these mosques
>and everywhere they scream. Interestingly
>enough, they have one right in front of Durbar. >No government has ever interfered or asked them to Shut Up. I wonder what stopped you from wishing someone
>from another religion openly and you had to “whisper”.
>Historically, Christians and Muslims never got
>along. In Nepal, under the roof of
>Hinduism, they were protected from Christian extremism. With growing conversion, Muslims now feel
>insecure. Reports are there that Muslims
>will launch a movement to revert back Nepal as a Hindu country.
>Let’s see where this country is heading towards….Afghanistan.
>Iraq, Israel…
>We’ve to appeal the Buddhist organizations to rescue this
>Birth place of peace pioneer Lord Buddha.
>>Sincerely,
>Ashutosh Shrivastav
>Secretary General
>United Nationalist Nepalese
>A Non Profit Corporation
>Email: ashutosh.x.shrivas...@unnepal.org
>Web:www.unnepal.org
>Whenever there is a decline of Dharma or the righteousness and the rise of Adharma or the unrighteousness then I incarnate Myself, O Arjun. I incarnate in every age for the protection of the good, for the destruction or
> transformation of the wicked, and for the establishment of Dharma. (Bhagvad Geeta 4.07-08)"
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>Good question, but the factors that contributed to how I was treated/liked/feared accepted vary too much for me to give you a straight answer.
>So, all I can say is I am happy I no longer have to worry about my mother receiving phone calls from anonymous folks telling my family my father's motorcycle number and threatening to take him to prison because his faith
> differs from the "country's" and having our phone bugged and having to whisper Merry Christmas like I did when I was a kid and that I can, this week, wish my Hindu friends a very Happy Dashain and my muslim friends Eid Mubarak as loud and as often as I like. I like that the town I live in that straddles the Indian border blares Hindu hymns late into the night and that I can hear the Imam call at the week hours of the morning and on Saturday morning I can make my way to a church.
>>How differently are you treated by your Friends and Nepal government now compared to few years back? Do they like you more or dislike you? Do they fear you or respect you more?
>>Whenever there is a decline of Dharma or the righteousness and the rise of Adharma or the unrighteousness then I incarnate Myself, O Arjun. I incarnate in every age for the protection of the good, for the destruction or transformation of the wicked, and for the establishment of Dharma. (Bhagvad Geeta 4.07-08)"
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>>From: Sradda Thapa <sradda.th...@gmail.com>
>>To: nepaldemocracy@googlegroups.com
>>Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 12:09:11 AM
>>Subject: [Voice Of Nepal] Re: [ND] Muni's Interview & Planned Eradication of Hinduism
>>>>wourld sarva dharma sambhava give me my freedoms?
>>you know freedom of speech, religion, press, right to peacable assemble, right to petition government for a redress of grievance....
>>of course these freedoms come from the first amendment of the US constitution, but they seem like pretty good freedoms to me, so i'm just wondering...
>>and i realize we were only hindu kingdom in the world and that we enjoyed typing this as the first sentence to any paper we wrote about nepal, but what would a hindu democratic nepal entail? would only a hindu be given provision to become a pres/pm? would only hindus get to sweat for the country and enter government? or would it make space and be tolerant of muslims, buddhists, catholics, animists, farsis, sikhs, and why yes, even people like me, christians who call this place home.
>>>‘Sarva dharma sambhava’, not
>>>‘Secularism.’ Tilak B. Shrestha, Ph.D. June
>>>2006
>>>Apparently some foreigners have
>>>come to Nepal
>>>and trying to teach us the virtue of being secular. Let us take a quick survey
>>>of today’s world. Presently there is not
>>>a single Hindu country in the world.
>>>Christianity is the state
>>>religion of 19 countries including Britain, Greece, Iceland, Liechtenstein,
>>>Malta, Monaco, Norway, Vatican, Haiti, Colombia, Panama, and Paraguay. British queen or king has to take oath of
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