Hi all,
I am way too nice and let a friend have my vga cable. I now have no monitor hooked up to my Mini, which is running 10.8.2, and said mini would be glaring at me if it could. It is slow to do just about everything, and nothing is running now that was not running when I shut down a couple days ago. So, for me at least, a monitor is indeed essential. Now I just have to pray for a vga cable to fall out of the sky...
Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
mehg...@gmail.com
IF you can get a terminal plug or a vga to avi adaptor tat tricks the mac into thinking there is something attached as a monitor, the mac mini will run fine with no performance difference.
> Hi all,
> I am way too nice and let a friend have my vga cable. I now have no monitor hooked up to my Mini, which is running 10.8.2, and said mini would be glaring at me if it could. It is slow to do just about everything, and nothing is running now that was not running when I shut down a couple days ago. So, for me at least, a monitor is indeed essential. Now I just have to pray for a vga cable to fall out of the sky...
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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With the older minis, there was an adapter you could get that allowed the mini's dvi port to connect to a regular TV. If this adapter was connected, the mini would work fine. That doesn't work on the newer minis though. Depending on what mini you have, it probably has a mini display port, and either a mini dvi port or HDMI port. With these, the only way I have found to make this work is to connect a monitor of some kind, I don't think just the cable is sufficient, I could be wrong there though.
On Nov 25, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I am way too nice and let a friend have my vga cable. I now have no monitor hooked up to my Mini, which is running 10.8.2, and said mini would be glaring at me if it could. It is slow to do just about everything, and nothing is running now that was not running when I shut down a couple days ago. So, for me at least, a monitor is indeed essential. Now I just have to pray for a vga cable to fall out of the sky...
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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No the cable alone is not sufficient the machine needs to see a monitor at
the other end of the connection. However it does not have to be turned on so
far as I have been able to determine.
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
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Subject: Re: a note on running a Mini with no monitor
With the older minis, there was an adapter you could get that allowed the
mini's dvi port to connect to a regular TV. If this adapter was connected,
the mini would work fine. That doesn't work on the newer minis though.
Depending on what mini you have, it probably has a mini display port, and
either a mini dvi port or HDMI port. With these, the only way I have found
to make this work is to connect a monitor of some kind, I don't think just
the cable is sufficient, I could be wrong there though.
On Nov 25, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I am way too nice and let a friend have my vga cable. I now have no
monitor hooked up to my Mini, which is running 10.8.2, and said mini would
be glaring at me if it could. It is slow to do just about everything, and
nothing is running now that was not running when I shut down a couple days
ago. So, for me at least, a monitor is indeed essential. Now I just have to
pray for a vga cable to fall out of the sky...
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
> mehg...@gmail.com
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Yes, you do need a monitor and no, it does not need to be on. Until I
can get a vga cable I'm stuck, I just wanted to add this to the
never-ending contraversy surrounding running a mac with no screen.
On 11/25/12, Jesus Garcia <jesusga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No the cable alone is not sufficient the machine needs to see a monitor at
> the other end of the connection. However it does not have to be turned on
> so
> far as I have been able to determine.
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> Subject: Re: a note on running a Mini with no monitor
> With the older minis, there was an adapter you could get that allowed the
> mini's dvi port to connect to a regular TV. If this adapter was connected,
> the mini would work fine. That doesn't work on the newer minis though.
> Depending on what mini you have, it probably has a mini display port, and
> either a mini dvi port or HDMI port. With these, the only way I have found
> to make this work is to connect a monitor of some kind, I don't think just
> the cable is sufficient, I could be wrong there though.
> On Nov 25, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I am way too nice and let a friend have my vga cable. I now have no
> monitor hooked up to my Mini, which is running 10.8.2, and said mini would
> be glaring at me if it could. It is slow to do just about everything, and
> nothing is running now that was not running when I shut down a couple days
> ago. So, for me at least, a monitor is indeed essential. Now I just have to
> pray for a vga cable to fall out of the sky...
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>> mehg...@gmail.com
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Hello, I have read all of the emails about needing a monitor on my mini. I had already drawn that same conclusion by experimenting without one. I hooked my monitor back up, But that did not help the problem. When I first boot up my mini everything is stable and runs fine. That is, finder runs fine. As soon as I open my first app, no matter which app that is, everything changes. Everything slows way down and I get messages from every app including Finder that it is busy. If I am listening to something it will break up InSpeech every five seconds or so and I will miss a few words until it starts back up again. This is also true for iTunes. The song I'm listening to will play for about 10 seconds to 30 seconds and then it will stop for a few seconds then start up again and so on.
I have reinitialize my PRAM, but that seems to of made no difference. I have verified and fixed any disk errors, but I did not have any. I have also verified and fixed permissions, but those too weren't the problem. I have tried to run the system monitor but I cannot do this because of the faltering in the voice and in the computer as a whole. I have unhooked any peripherals, which are mostly just drives, and that did not help. The only change I had made up until this point, besides the fact that I disconnected the monitor, was to purchase a new wireless router. Thinking that that might be the problem, I disconnected it ends put it on a PC. Although the router and my wireless network seem to function better on the PC, this did not help the way the many is running. My mini has the same amount of memory as another mini that I have in another room of the house. This one is running with no problems. I am at a loss.
I realize you folks are not technicians, and I don't expect you to have an answer for me, but you seem to know so much about all of this that I was hoping I might get a few bites on something else to try. I appreciate your intelligence but I don't expect you to solve my problem. Does anyone have an idea? There's probably something simple that Ive overlooked, but I need to know what it is because I can't come up with it.
Thanks for letting me ramble.
Kristeen
On Nov 25, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I am way too nice and let a friend have my vga cable. I now have no monitor hooked up to my Mini, which is running 10.8.2, and said mini would be glaring at me if it could. It is slow to do just about everything, and nothing is running now that was not running when I shut down a couple days ago. So, for me at least, a monitor is indeed essential. Now I just have to pray for a vga cable to fall out of the sky...
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
> mehg...@gmail.com
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Right, I never turn the monitor on that attached to either of my mac minis, still, it's annoying that it requires that. Fortunately I already had these monitors, it would be difficult to justify buying a monitor that I would not use.
On Nov 25, 2012, at 7:07 PM, "Jesus Garcia" <jesusga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No the cable alone is not sufficient the machine needs to see a monitor at
> the other end of the connection. However it does not have to be turned on so
> far as I have been able to determine.
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 19:06
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: a note on running a Mini with no monitor
> With the older minis, there was an adapter you could get that allowed the
> mini's dvi port to connect to a regular TV. If this adapter was connected,
> the mini would work fine. That doesn't work on the newer minis though.
> Depending on what mini you have, it probably has a mini display port, and
> either a mini dvi port or HDMI port. With these, the only way I have found
> to make this work is to connect a monitor of some kind, I don't think just
> the cable is sufficient, I could be wrong there though.
> On Nov 25, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I am way too nice and let a friend have my vga cable. I now have no
> monitor hooked up to my Mini, which is running 10.8.2, and said mini would
> be glaring at me if it could. It is slow to do just about everything, and
> nothing is running now that was not running when I shut down a couple days
> ago. So, for me at least, a monitor is indeed essential. Now I just have to
> pray for a vga cable to fall out of the sky...
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>> mehg...@gmail.com
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Give this a try if you can. Some of this does sound like the computer is not connected to a monitor. What port are you using for the monitor connection? Open the utilities folder and open the system information or system profiler application, whatever you have. In the list of components, go down to displays and look at what is displayed? Does it say a monitor is connected?
On Nov 25, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Kristeen Hughes <khwi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello, I have read all of the emails about needing a monitor on my mini. I had already drawn that same conclusion by experimenting without one. I hooked my monitor back up, But that did not help the problem. When I first boot up my mini everything is stable and runs fine. That is, finder runs fine. As soon as I open my first app, no matter which app that is, everything changes. Everything slows way down and I get messages from every app including Finder that it is busy. If I am listening to something it will break up InSpeech every five seconds or so and I will miss a few words until it starts back up again. This is also true for iTunes. The song I'm listening to will play for about 10 seconds to 30 seconds and then it will stop for a few seconds then start up again and so on.
> I have reinitialize my PRAM, but that seems to of made no difference. I have verified and fixed any disk errors, but I did not have any. I have also verified and fixed permissions, but those too weren't the problem. I have tried to run the system monitor but I cannot do this because of the faltering in the voice and in the computer as a whole. I have unhooked any peripherals, which are mostly just drives, and that did not help. The only change I had made up until this point, besides the fact that I disconnected the monitor, was to purchase a new wireless router. Thinking that that might be the problem, I disconnected it ends put it on a PC. Although the router and my wireless network seem to function better on the PC, this did not help the way the many is running. My mini has the same amount of memory as another mini that I have in another room of the house. This one is running with no problems. I am at a loss.
> I realize you folks are not technicians, and I don't expect you to have an answer for me, but you seem to know so much about all of this that I was hoping I might get a few bites on something else to try. I appreciate your intelligence but I don't expect you to solve my problem. Does anyone have an idea? There's probably something simple that Ive overlooked, but I need to know what it is because I can't come up with it.
> Thanks for letting me ramble.
> Kristeen
> On Nov 25, 2012, at 3:43 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I am way too nice and let a friend have my vga cable. I now have no monitor hooked up to my Mini, which is running 10.8.2, and said mini would be glaring at me if it could. It is slow to do just about everything, and nothing is running now that was not running when I shut down a couple days ago. So, for me at least, a monitor is indeed essential. Now I just have to pray for a vga cable to fall out of the sky...
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>> mehg...@gmail.com
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It is interesting that a monitor without power previntes the mac system slowdown. This sounds as though the mac does a form of a ping to query from time to time what is attached. If it doesn't recieve a return signal instantly it does it again and/or waits for a determined time before allowing an application to resume activity.
If this is the case, any return signal is not being generated by the monitor but the circuit is made at the socket and passes it back to the mac. It would then in principle be possible to find the wire pairs in the vga socket and make the return circuit absent a monitor.
This was my conclusion as well and in my old post I provided links to some wiring schematics to make a VGA terminator. All the places I could find which sold VGA terminators seem to no longer have them in stock. The sense pins indicate what resolution the connected display is running and my assumption was that with nothing connected the Mac polls continually for that information but never gets it. It's hard to tell whether this happens at a hardware level or some other API call which fails to return quickly because it is waiting on the sense pin results which never come.
CB
On 11/26/12 11:54 AM, - wrote:
> It is interesting that a monitor without power previntes the mac > system slowdown. This sounds as though the mac does a form of a ping > to query from time to time what is attached. If it doesn't recieve a > return signal instantly it does it again and/or waits for a determined > time before allowing an application to resume activity.
> If this is the case, any return signal is not being generated by the > monitor but the circuit is made at the socket and passes it back to > the mac. It would then in principle be possible to find the wire pairs > in the vga socket and make the return circuit absent a monitor.
Hello Mike and all,
As you suggested, Mike, I opened up system information.app and my Mac Mini shows that it has a monitor connected. It's the same monitor that was connected before I tried running without one. I am totally at a loss. Today when I rebooted the system it ran even poorer than it did yesterday. Even with just finder running, it is slow and the speech can't say a single sentence without breaking up.
Kristeen
On Nov 26, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Chris Blouch <cblo...@aol.com> wrote:
> This was my conclusion as well and in my old post I provided links to some wiring schematics to make a VGA terminator. All the places I could find which sold VGA terminators seem to no longer have them in stock. The sense pins indicate what resolution the connected display is running and my assumption was that with nothing connected the Mac polls continually for that information but never gets it. It's hard to tell whether this happens at a hardware level or some other API call which fails to return quickly because it is waiting on the sense pin results which never come.
> CB
> On 11/26/12 11:54 AM, - wrote:
>> It is interesting that a monitor without power previntes the mac system slowdown. This sounds as though the mac does a form of a ping to query from time to time what is attached. If it doesn't recieve a return signal instantly it does it again and/or waits for a determined time before allowing an application to resume activity.
>> If this is the case, any return signal is not being generated by the monitor but the circuit is made at the socket and passes it back to the mac. It would then in principle be possible to find the wire pairs in the vga socket and make the return circuit absent a monitor.
>> XB
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wow,
I have a mac mini mid 2010 is this still one that runs with the fake monitor adaptor thing? I find it works ok for me but now I am wondering if I would get better performance if I hooked up a real monitor. Does anyone know with which version of mini this changes/
> Right, I never turn the monitor on that attached to either of my mac minis, still, it's annoying that it requires that. Fortunately I already had these monitors, it would be difficult to justify buying a monitor that I would not use.
> On Nov 25, 2012, at 7:07 PM, "Jesus Garcia" <jesusga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> No the cable alone is not sufficient the machine needs to see a monitor at
>> the other end of the connection. However it does not have to be turned on so
>> far as I have been able to determine.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
>> Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 19:06
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: a note on running a Mini with no monitor
>> With the older minis, there was an adapter you could get that allowed the
>> mini's dvi port to connect to a regular TV. If this adapter was connected,
>> the mini would work fine. That doesn't work on the newer minis though.
>> Depending on what mini you have, it probably has a mini display port, and
>> either a mini dvi port or HDMI port. With these, the only way I have found
>> to make this work is to connect a monitor of some kind, I don't think just
>> the cable is sufficient, I could be wrong there though.
>> On Nov 25, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am way too nice and let a friend have my vga cable. I now have no
>> monitor hooked up to my Mini, which is running 10.8.2, and said mini would
>> be glaring at me if it could. It is slow to do just about everything, and
>> nothing is running now that was not running when I shut down a couple days
>> ago. So, for me at least, a monitor is indeed essential. Now I just have to
>> pray for a vga cable to fall out of the sky...
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>>> mehg...@gmail.com
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Ok, let's try this. Again, go to your utilities folder and open activity monitor. Is anything in there consuming a large amount of processor resources? Sometimes left over print jobs can do this.
On Nov 26, 2012, at 3:29 PM, Kristeen Hughes <khwi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Mike and all,
> As you suggested, Mike, I opened up system information.app and my Mac Mini shows that it has a monitor connected. It's the same monitor that was connected before I tried running without one. I am totally at a loss. Today when I rebooted the system it ran even poorer than it did yesterday. Even with just finder running, it is slow and the speech can't say a single sentence without breaking up.
> Kristeen
> On Nov 26, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Chris Blouch <cblo...@aol.com> wrote:
>> This was my conclusion as well and in my old post I provided links to some wiring schematics to make a VGA terminator. All the places I could find which sold VGA terminators seem to no longer have them in stock. The sense pins indicate what resolution the connected display is running and my assumption was that with nothing connected the Mac polls continually for that information but never gets it. It's hard to tell whether this happens at a hardware level or some other API call which fails to return quickly because it is waiting on the sense pin results which never come.
>> CB
>> On 11/26/12 11:54 AM, - wrote:
>>> It is interesting that a monitor without power previntes the mac system slowdown. This sounds as though the mac does a form of a ping to query from time to time what is attached. If it doesn't recieve a return signal instantly it does it again and/or waits for a determined time before allowing an application to resume activity.
>>> If this is the case, any return signal is not being generated by the monitor but the circuit is made at the socket and passes it back to the mac. It would then in principle be possible to find the wire pairs in the vga socket and make the return circuit absent a monitor.
>>> XB
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Okay, I don't know if this is because I had my mini custom built, that this might make a difference. But I have no monitor hooked up, no HDMI or VGA cable hooked up, and I experience no lag in my system what so ever. I have the latest model, the one that apple just released late October of this year. I did have to hook it up to a monitor for anishal setup, but after setup was complete, I unplugged it from the monitor, and moved it to another room, and have had no issues.
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On Nov 26, 2012, at 10:12 PM, "Mike Arrigo" <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
Ok, let's try this. Again, go to your utilities folder and open activity monitor. Is anything in there consuming a large amount of processor resources? Sometimes left over print jobs can do this.
On Nov 26, 2012, at 3:29 PM, Kristeen Hughes <khwi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Mike and all,
> As you suggested, Mike, I opened up system information.app and my Mac Mini shows that it has a monitor connected. It's the same monitor that was connected before I tried running without one. I am totally at a loss. Today when I rebooted the system it ran even poorer than it did yesterday. Even with just finder running, it is slow and the speech can't say a single sentence without breaking up.
> Kristeen
> On Nov 26, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Chris Blouch <cblo...@aol.com> wrote:
>> This was my conclusion as well and in my old post I provided links to some wiring schematics to make a VGA terminator. All the places I could find which sold VGA terminators seem to no longer have them in stock. The sense pins indicate what resolution the connected display is running and my assumption was that with nothing connected the Mac polls continually for that information but never gets it. It's hard to tell whether this happens at a hardware level or some other API call which fails to return quickly because it is waiting on the sense pin results which never come.
>> CB
>> On 11/26/12 11:54 AM, - wrote:
>>> It is interesting that a monitor without power previntes the mac system slowdown. This sounds as though the mac does a form of a ping to query from time to time what is attached. If it doesn't recieve a return signal instantly it does it again and/or waits for a determined time before allowing an application to resume activity.
>>> If this is the case, any return signal is not being generated by the monitor but the circuit is made at the socket and passes it back to the mac. It would then in principle be possible to find the wire pairs in the vga socket and make the return circuit absent a monitor.
>>> XB
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> Okay, I don't know if this is because I had my mini custom built, that this might make a difference. But I have no monitor hooked up, no HDMI or VGA cable hooked up, and I experience no lag in my system what so ever. I have the latest model, the one that apple just released late October of this year. I did have to hook it up to a monitor for anishal setup, but after setup was complete, I unplugged it from the monitor, and moved it to another room, and have had no issues.
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> Ok, let's try this. Again, go to your utilities folder and open activity monitor. Is anything in there consuming a large amount of processor resources? Sometimes left over print jobs can do this.
> On Nov 26, 2012, at 3:29 PM, Kristeen Hughes <khwi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Mike and all,
>> As you suggested, Mike, I opened up system information.app and my Mac Mini shows that it has a monitor connected. It's the same monitor that was connected before I tried running without one. I am totally at a loss. Today when I rebooted the system it ran even poorer than it did yesterday. Even with just finder running, it is slow and the speech can't say a single sentence without breaking up.
>> Kristeen
>> On Nov 26, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Chris Blouch <cblo...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> This was my conclusion as well and in my old post I provided links to some wiring schematics to make a VGA terminator. All the places I could find which sold VGA terminators seem to no longer have them in stock. The sense pins indicate what resolution the connected display is running and my assumption was that with nothing connected the Mac polls continually for that information but never gets it. It's hard to tell whether this happens at a hardware level or some other API call which fails to return quickly because it is waiting on the sense pin results which never come.
>>> CB
>>> On 11/26/12 11:54 AM, - wrote:
>>>> It is interesting that a monitor without power previntes the mac system slowdown. This sounds as though the mac does a form of a ping to query from time to time what is attached. If it doesn't recieve a return signal instantly it does it again and/or waits for a determined time before allowing an application to resume activity.
>>>> If this is the case, any return signal is not being generated by the monitor but the circuit is made at the socket and passes it back to the mac. It would then in principle be possible to find the wire pairs in the vga socket and make the return circuit absent a monitor.
>>>> XB
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0, zilch, noda, no busy in any app that I have ran. Now like I said, I had it custom built, with 1TB of SSD, 16 gigs of ram, 2.6 I7 quad core processor. So maybe these extra specks help out a great deal?
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Hi,
So, you have had no attack of the busies while using Safari or iTunes for example?
> Okay, I don't know if this is because I had my mini custom built, that this might make a difference. But I have no monitor hooked up, no HDMI or VGA cable hooked up, and I experience no lag in my system what so ever. I have the latest model, the one that apple just released late October of this year. I did have to hook it up to a monitor for anishal setup, but after setup was complete, I unplugged it from the monitor, and moved it to another room, and have had no issues.
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> On Nov 26, 2012, at 10:12 PM, "Mike Arrigo" <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
> Ok, let's try this. Again, go to your utilities folder and open activity monitor. Is anything in there consuming a large amount of processor resources? Sometimes left over print jobs can do this.
> On Nov 26, 2012, at 3:29 PM, Kristeen Hughes <khwi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Mike and all,
>> As you suggested, Mike, I opened up system information.app and my Mac Mini shows that it has a monitor connected. It's the same monitor that was connected before I tried running without one. I am totally at a loss. Today when I rebooted the system it ran even poorer than it did yesterday. Even with just finder running, it is slow and the speech can't say a single sentence without breaking up.
>> Kristeen
>> On Nov 26, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Chris Blouch <cblo...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> This was my conclusion as well and in my old post I provided links to some wiring schematics to make a VGA terminator. All the places I could find which sold VGA terminators seem to no longer have them in stock. The sense pins indicate what resolution the connected display is running and my assumption was that with nothing connected the Mac polls continually for that information but never gets it. It's hard to tell whether this happens at a hardware level or some other API call which fails to return quickly because it is waiting on the sense pin results which never come.
>>> CB
>>> On 11/26/12 11:54 AM, - wrote:
>>>> It is interesting that a monitor without power previntes the mac system slowdown. This sounds as though the mac does a form of a ping to query from time to time what is attached. If it doesn't recieve a return signal instantly it does it again and/or waits for a determined time before allowing an application to resume activity.
>>>> If this is the case, any return signal is not being generated by the monitor but the circuit is made at the socket and passes it back to the mac. It would then in principle be possible to find the wire pairs in the vga socket and make the return circuit absent a monitor.
>>>> XB
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Interesting. Maybe they finally fixed it. Can you check in "About This Mac" and then "More Info" and note what model it reports? Would be nice to finally say that Mac Minis after xyz date no longer have this issue.
> 0, zilch, noda, no busy in any app that I have ran. Now like I said, I had it custom built, with 1TB of SSD, 16 gigs of ram, 2.6 I7 quad core processor. So maybe these extra specks help out a great deal?
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> Hi,
> So, you have had no attack of the busies while using Safari or iTunes for example?
> On Nov 27, 2012, at 9:16 AM, Kliphton Miller <kliph...@outlook.com> wrote:
>> Okay, I don't know if this is because I had my mini custom built, that this might make a difference. But I have no monitor hooked up, no HDMI or VGA cable hooked up, and I experience no lag in my system what so ever. I have the latest model, the one that apple just released late October of this year. I did have to hook it up to a monitor for anishal setup, but after setup was complete, I unplugged it from the monitor, and moved it to another room, and have had no issues.
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>> On Nov 26, 2012, at 10:12 PM, "Mike Arrigo" <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
>> Ok, let's try this. Again, go to your utilities folder and open activity monitor. Is anything in there consuming a large amount of processor resources? Sometimes left over print jobs can do this.
>> On Nov 26, 2012, at 3:29 PM, Kristeen Hughes <khwi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello Mike and all,
>>> As you suggested, Mike, I opened up system information.app and my Mac Mini shows that it has a monitor connected. It's the same monitor that was connected before I tried running without one. I am totally at a loss. Today when I rebooted the system it ran even poorer than it did yesterday. Even with just finder running, it is slow and the speech can't say a single sentence without breaking up.
>>> Kristeen
>>> On Nov 26, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Chris Blouch <cblo...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> This was my conclusion as well and in my old post I provided links to some wiring schematics to make a VGA terminator. All the places I could find which sold VGA terminators seem to no longer have them in stock. The sense pins indicate what resolution the connected display is running and my assumption was that with nothing connected the Mac polls continually for that information but never gets it. It's hard to tell whether this happens at a hardware level or some other API call which fails to return quickly because it is waiting on the sense pin results which never come.
>>>> CB
>>>> On 11/26/12 11:54 AM, - wrote:
>>>>> It is interesting that a monitor without power previntes the mac system slowdown. This sounds as though the mac does a form of a ping to query from time to time what is attached. If it doesn't recieve a return signal instantly it does it again and/or waits for a determined time before allowing an application to resume activity.
>>>>> If this is the case, any return signal is not being generated by the monitor but the circuit is made at the socket and passes it back to the mac. It would then in principle be possible to find the wire pairs in the vga socket and make the return circuit absent a monitor.
>>>>> XB
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Have you considered a fresh install of the operating system to see if that resolves the situation with the monitor connected by chance? You may have already but I didn't see it in the emails I read thus far, sorry if you tried already.
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Hello Mike and all,
As you suggested, Mike, I opened up system information.app and my Mac Mini shows that it has a monitor connected. It's the same monitor that was connected before I tried running without one. I am totally at a loss. Today when I rebooted the system it ran even poorer than it did yesterday. Even with just finder running, it is slow and the speech can't say a single sentence without breaking up.
Kristeen
On Nov 26, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Chris Blouch <cblo...@aol.com> wrote:
> This was my conclusion as well and in my old post I provided links to some wiring schematics to make a VGA terminator. All the places I could find which sold VGA terminators seem to no longer have them in stock. The sense pins indicate what resolution the connected display is running and my assumption was that with nothing connected the Mac polls continually for that information but never gets it. It's hard to tell whether this happens at a hardware level or some other API call which fails to return quickly because it is waiting on the sense pin results which never come.
> CB
> On 11/26/12 11:54 AM, - wrote:
>> It is interesting that a monitor without power previntes the mac system slowdown. This sounds as though the mac does a form of a ping to query from time to time what is attached. If it doesn't recieve a return signal instantly it does it again and/or waits for a determined time before allowing an application to resume activity.
>> If this is the case, any return signal is not being generated by the monitor but the circuit is made at the socket and passes it back to the mac. It would then in principle be possible to find the wire pairs in the vga socket and make the return circuit absent a monitor.
>> XB
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I don't have a printer anywhere on the network. I have tried to use the activity monitor, but the computer is so constantly busy, that I can't get anything understandable from speech. It breaks up after a syllable or two.
I do appreciate the continued suggestions.
Kristeen
On Nov 26, 2012, at 11:12 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
> Ok, let's try this. Again, go to your utilities folder and open activity monitor. Is anything in there consuming a large amount of processor resources? Sometimes left over print jobs can do this.
> On Nov 26, 2012, at 3:29 PM, Kristeen Hughes <khwi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Mike and all,
>> As you suggested, Mike, I opened up system information.app and my Mac Mini shows that it has a monitor connected. It's the same monitor that was connected before I tried running without one. I am totally at a loss. Today when I rebooted the system it ran even poorer than it did yesterday. Even with just finder running, it is slow and the speech can't say a single sentence without breaking up.
>> Kristeen
>> On Nov 26, 2012, at 3:35 PM, Chris Blouch <cblo...@aol.com> wrote:
>>> This was my conclusion as well and in my old post I provided links to some wiring schematics to make a VGA terminator. All the places I could find which sold VGA terminators seem to no longer have them in stock. The sense pins indicate what resolution the connected display is running and my assumption was that with nothing connected the Mac polls continually for that information but never gets it. It's hard to tell whether this happens at a hardware level or some other API call which fails to return quickly because it is waiting on the sense pin results which never come.
>>> CB
>>> On 11/26/12 11:54 AM, - wrote:
>>>> It is interesting that a monitor without power previntes the mac system slowdown. This sounds as though the mac does a form of a ping to query from time to time what is attached. If it doesn't recieve a return signal instantly it does it again and/or waits for a determined time before allowing an application to resume activity.
>>>> If this is the case, any return signal is not being generated by the monitor but the circuit is made at the socket and passes it back to the mac. It would then in principle be possible to find the wire pairs in the vga socket and make the return circuit absent a monitor.
>>>> XB
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wow,
I have a mac mini mid 2010 is this still one that runs with the fake monitor adaptor thing? I find it works ok for me but now I am wondering if I would get better performance if I hooked up a real monitor. Does anyone know with which version of mini this changes/
> Right, I never turn the monitor on that attached to either of my mac minis, still, it's annoying that it requires that. Fortunately I already had these monitors, it would be difficult to justify buying a monitor that I would not use.
> On Nov 25, 2012, at 7:07 PM, "Jesus Garcia" <jesusga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> No the cable alone is not sufficient the machine needs to see a monitor at
>> the other end of the connection. However it does not have to be turned on so
>> far as I have been able to determine.
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>> With the older minis, there was an adapter you could get that allowed the
>> mini's dvi port to connect to a regular TV. If this adapter was connected,
>> the mini would work fine. That doesn't work on the newer minis though.
>> Depending on what mini you have, it probably has a mini display port, and
>> either a mini dvi port or HDMI port. With these, the only way I have found
>> to make this work is to connect a monitor of some kind, I don't think just
>> the cable is sufficient, I could be wrong there though.
>> On Nov 25, 2012, at 2:43 PM, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am way too nice and let a friend have my vga cable. I now have no
>> monitor hooked up to my Mini, which is running 10.8.2, and said mini would
>> be glaring at me if it could. It is slow to do just about everything, and
>> nothing is running now that was not running when I shut down a couple days
>> ago. So, for me at least, a monitor is indeed essential. Now I just have to
>> pray for a vga cable to fall out of the sky...
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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