Hi all,
Is there a way of quickly getting to top of message table in mail?
When I do vo, fn shift left arrow, I get to a button called "select by date menu button". I'm still at the bottom of the message table. I can obviously arrow up but that takes a while with a large mailbox.
Any suggestions? I'm on a macbook pro hence the need for the fn key.
Hi there!
That command works here OK! I'm using a Wireless Keyboard so need the FN key as well!
So I hold the FN+VO with my left hand and do Shift+left/right arrows with my Right!
Also I've got a Keyboard shortcut to do the same thing! So all I do is press right option+1 to go to top and 2 for the bottom!
That command is set to keep me in the same column so if I start in Subject I stay in Subject!
hth Colin
PS. I'm still on Snowy Kitty!
On 20 Jun 2012, at 21:44, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
> Hi all,
> Is there a way of quickly getting to top of message table in mail?
> When I do vo, fn shift left arrow, I get to a button called "select by date menu button". I'm still at the bottom of the message table. I can obviously arrow up but that takes a while with a large mailbox.
> Any suggestions? I'm on a macbook pro hence the need for the fn key.
> Lisette
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Ok well that doesn't work for me. I wonder what I've got screwy in my mailbox. I still can't see my on my mac mailboxes. So something is very weird with mine.
How did you set up those short cuts.
> Hi there!
> That command works here OK! I'm using a Wireless Keyboard so need the FN key as well!
> So I hold the FN+VO with my left hand and do Shift+left/right arrows with my Right!
> Also I've got a Keyboard shortcut to do the same thing! So all I do is press right option+1 to go to top and 2 for the bottom!
> That command is set to keep me in the same column so if I start in Subject I stay in Subject!
> hth Colin
> PS. I'm still on Snowy Kitty!
> On 20 Jun 2012, at 21:44, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> Is there a way of quickly getting to top of message table in mail?
>> When I do vo, fn shift left arrow, I get to a button called "select by date menu button". I'm still at the bottom of the message table. I can obviously arrow up but that takes a while with a large mailbox.
>> Any suggestions? I'm on a macbook pro hence the need for the fn key.
>> Lisette
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Can you explain how you set up Right Option 1 and 2 to tho to bottom of message table and top of message table? I went into VO Utility, Keyboard Commander, chose Right Option 1, but could not find the appropriate action to assign that keystroke. Thanks.
Les
On Jun 20, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
> Hi there!
> That command works here OK! I'm using a Wireless Keyboard so need the FN key as well!
> So I hold the FN+VO with my left hand and do Shift+left/right arrows with my Right!
> Also I've got a Keyboard shortcut to do the same thing! So all I do is press right option+1 to go to top and 2 for the bottom!
> That command is set to keep me in the same column so if I start in Subject I stay in Subject!
> hth Colin
> PS. I'm still on Snowy Kitty!
> On 20 Jun 2012, at 21:44, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> Is there a way of quickly getting to top of message table in mail?
>> When I do vo, fn shift left arrow, I get to a button called "select by date menu button". I'm still at the bottom of the message table. I can obviously arrow up but that takes a while with a large mailbox.
>> Any suggestions? I'm on a macbook pro hence the need for the fn key.
>> Lisette
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I as well use control-option-shift home or shift-end. Since I'm on a macbook Air, I need the function key.
After a while, I found all these buttons annoying, so i use the trackpad commanders and set up shift-flick-down to go to top and shift-flick-up to go to the bottom. So much easier. :)
Traci
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On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
> Ok well that doesn't work for me. I wonder what I've got screwy in my mailbox. I still can't see my on my mac mailboxes. So something is very weird with mine.
> How did you set up those short cuts.
> On 21/06/2012, at 8:58 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>> Hi there!
>> That command works here OK! I'm using a Wireless Keyboard so need the FN key as well!
>> So I hold the FN+VO with my left hand and do Shift+left/right arrows with my Right!
>> Also I've got a Keyboard shortcut to do the same thing! So all I do is press right option+1 to go to top and 2 for the bottom!
>> That command is set to keep me in the same column so if I start in Subject I stay in Subject!
>> hth Colin
>> PS. I'm still on Snowy Kitty!
>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 21:44, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> Is there a way of quickly getting to top of message table in mail?
>>> When I do vo, fn shift left arrow, I get to a button called "select by date menu button". I'm still at the bottom of the message table. I can obviously arrow up but that takes a while with a large mailbox.
>>> Any suggestions? I'm on a macbook pro hence the need for the fn key.
>>> Lisette
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OK Yes there is the trackpad option as well!
But if you want the Keyboard version here it is!
I'll do it as if someone needs it from the beginning!
1, Open VoO utility with VO+f8
You should be on General scroll across to the [allow voiceover to be controlled by applescripts ] check box and checkit!
2, press command+8 and this will take you to the commanders, and go and select the Keyboard commander tab!
3, you can enable keyboard commander, then next you can choose which option key you wish to use! [it should be on the right one by default]
4, now you can go to the table of shortcuts [and there will be some already there] like option+T for the time and option+S for safari!
Next to the table is the add button select it!
5, The 1st field is where you put the key you wish to use [have the key in mind]because it must be put in 1st!
6, Next is the menu of commands you want to use!
So pick the Navigation sub menu and if you want to set the option to go to the top and stay in the same column pick the [go to most visible top or for the end most visible end!
hth colin
On 20 Jun 2012, at 22:58, Traci wrote:
> I as well use control-option-shift home or shift-end. Since I'm on a macbook Air, I need the function key.
> After a while, I found all these buttons annoying, so i use the trackpad commanders and set up shift-flick-down to go to top and shift-flick-up to go to the bottom. So much easier. :)
> Traci
> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
> On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>> Ok well that doesn't work for me. I wonder what I've got screwy in my mailbox. I still can't see my on my mac mailboxes. So something is very weird with mine.
>> How did you set up those short cuts.
>> On 21/06/2012, at 8:58 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>> Hi there!
>>> That command works here OK! I'm using a Wireless Keyboard so need the FN key as well!
>>> So I hold the FN+VO with my left hand and do Shift+left/right arrows with my Right!
>>> Also I've got a Keyboard shortcut to do the same thing! So all I do is press right option+1 to go to top and 2 for the bottom!
>>> That command is set to keep me in the same column so if I start in Subject I stay in Subject!
>>> hth Colin
>>> PS. I'm still on Snowy Kitty!
>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 21:44, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> Is there a way of quickly getting to top of message table in mail?
>>>> When I do vo, fn shift left arrow, I get to a button called "select by date menu button". I'm still at the bottom of the message table. I can obviously arrow up but that takes a while with a large mailbox.
>>>> Any suggestions? I'm on a macbook pro hence the need for the fn key.
>>>> Lisette
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> OK Yes there is the trackpad option as well!
> But if you want the Keyboard version here it is!
> I'll do it as if someone needs it from the beginning!
> 1, Open VoO utility with VO+f8
> You should be on General scroll across to the [allow voiceover to be controlled by applescripts ] check box and checkit!
> 2, press command+8 and this will take you to the commanders, and go and select the Keyboard commander tab!
> 3, you can enable keyboard commander, then next you can choose which option key you wish to use! [it should be on the right one by default]
> 4, now you can go to the table of shortcuts [and there will be some already there] like option+T for the time and option+S for safari!
> Next to the table is the add button select it!
> 5, The 1st field is where you put the key you wish to use [have the key in mind]because it must be put in 1st!
> 6, Next is the menu of commands you want to use!
> So pick the Navigation sub menu and if you want to set the option to go to the top and stay in the same column pick the [go to most visible top or for the end most visible end!
> hth colin
> On 20 Jun 2012, at 22:58, Traci wrote:
>> I as well use control-option-shift home or shift-end. Since I'm on a macbook Air, I need the function key.
>> After a while, I found all these buttons annoying, so i use the trackpad commanders and set up shift-flick-down to go to top and shift-flick-up to go to the bottom. So much easier. :)
>> Traci
>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>> Ok well that doesn't work for me. I wonder what I've got screwy in my mailbox. I still can't see my on my mac mailboxes. So something is very weird with mine.
>>> How did you set up those short cuts.
>>> On 21/06/2012, at 8:58 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>> Hi there!
>>>> That command works here OK! I'm using a Wireless Keyboard so need the FN key as well!
>>>> So I hold the FN+VO with my left hand and do Shift+left/right arrows with my Right!
>>>> Also I've got a Keyboard shortcut to do the same thing! So all I do is press right option+1 to go to top and 2 for the bottom!
>>>> That command is set to keep me in the same column so if I start in Subject I stay in Subject!
>>>> hth Colin
>>>> PS. I'm still on Snowy Kitty!
>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 21:44, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Is there a way of quickly getting to top of message table in mail?
>>>>> When I do vo, fn shift left arrow, I get to a button called "select by date menu button". I'm still at the bottom of the message table. I can obviously arrow up but that takes a while with a large mailbox.
>>>>> Any suggestions? I'm on a macbook pro hence the need for the fn key.
>>>>> Lisette
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Okay, I set up the actions and for some reason, only one works. So in other words, I interact with the Messages Table and issue the go to top of messages list with Option-1. Then if I immediately issue the Option 2 command, I go down the list, but don't reach the bottom. What have I missed?
Les
On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
> OK Yes there is the trackpad option as well!
> But if you want the Keyboard version here it is!
> I'll do it as if someone needs it from the beginning!
> 1, Open VoO utility with VO+f8
> You should be on General scroll across to the [allow voiceover to be controlled by applescripts ] check box and checkit!
> 2, press command+8 and this will take you to the commanders, and go and select the Keyboard commander tab!
> 3, you can enable keyboard commander, then next you can choose which option key you wish to use! [it should be on the right one by default]
> 4, now you can go to the table of shortcuts [and there will be some already there] like option+T for the time and option+S for safari!
> Next to the table is the add button select it!
> 5, The 1st field is where you put the key you wish to use [have the key in mind]because it must be put in 1st!
> 6, Next is the menu of commands you want to use!
> So pick the Navigation sub menu and if you want to set the option to go to the top and stay in the same column pick the [go to most visible top or for the end most visible end!
> hth colin
> On 20 Jun 2012, at 22:58, Traci wrote:
>> I as well use control-option-shift home or shift-end. Since I'm on a macbook Air, I need the function key.
>> After a while, I found all these buttons annoying, so i use the trackpad commanders and set up shift-flick-down to go to top and shift-flick-up to go to the bottom. So much easier. :)
>> Traci
>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>> Ok well that doesn't work for me. I wonder what I've got screwy in my mailbox. I still can't see my on my mac mailboxes. So something is very weird with mine.
>>> How did you set up those short cuts.
>>> On 21/06/2012, at 8:58 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>> Hi there!
>>>> That command works here OK! I'm using a Wireless Keyboard so need the FN key as well!
>>>> So I hold the FN+VO with my left hand and do Shift+left/right arrows with my Right!
>>>> Also I've got a Keyboard shortcut to do the same thing! So all I do is press right option+1 to go to top and 2 for the bottom!
>>>> That command is set to keep me in the same column so if I start in Subject I stay in Subject!
>>>> hth Colin
>>>> PS. I'm still on Snowy Kitty!
>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 21:44, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Is there a way of quickly getting to top of message table in mail?
>>>>> When I do vo, fn shift left arrow, I get to a button called "select by date menu button". I'm still at the bottom of the message table. I can obviously arrow up but that takes a while with a large mailbox.
>>>>> Any suggestions? I'm on a macbook pro hence the need for the fn key.
>>>>> Lisette
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The only thing I can think of is you might have picked the wrong item in the menu! There is the go to End and go to most visible end!
Just check which one you have!
And if you got the right option of command I do not know why it is not working for you!
> Okay, I set up the actions and for some reason, only one works. So in other words, I interact with the Messages Table and issue the go to top of messages list with Option-1. Then if I immediately issue the Option 2 command, I go down the list, but don't reach the bottom. What have I missed?
> Les
> On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>> OK Yes there is the trackpad option as well!
>> But if you want the Keyboard version here it is!
>> I'll do it as if someone needs it from the beginning!
>> 1, Open VoO utility with VO+f8
>> You should be on General scroll across to the [allow voiceover to be controlled by applescripts ] check box and checkit!
>> 2, press command+8 and this will take you to the commanders, and go and select the Keyboard commander tab!
>> 3, you can enable keyboard commander, then next you can choose which option key you wish to use! [it should be on the right one by default]
>> 4, now you can go to the table of shortcuts [and there will be some already there] like option+T for the time and option+S for safari!
>> Next to the table is the add button select it!
>> 5, The 1st field is where you put the key you wish to use [have the key in mind]because it must be put in 1st!
>> 6, Next is the menu of commands you want to use!
>> So pick the Navigation sub menu and if you want to set the option to go to the top and stay in the same column pick the [go to most visible top or for the end most visible end!
>> hth colin
>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 22:58, Traci wrote:
>>> I as well use control-option-shift home or shift-end. Since I'm on a macbook Air, I need the function key.
>>> After a while, I found all these buttons annoying, so i use the trackpad commanders and set up shift-flick-down to go to top and shift-flick-up to go to the bottom. So much easier. :)
>>> Traci
>>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>> Ok well that doesn't work for me. I wonder what I've got screwy in my mailbox. I still can't see my on my mac mailboxes. So something is very weird with mine.
>>>> How did you set up those short cuts.
>>>> On 21/06/2012, at 8:58 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>>> Hi there!
>>>>> That command works here OK! I'm using a Wireless Keyboard so need the FN key as well!
>>>>> So I hold the FN+VO with my left hand and do Shift+left/right arrows with my Right!
>>>>> Also I've got a Keyboard shortcut to do the same thing! So all I do is press right option+1 to go to top and 2 for the bottom!
>>>>> That command is set to keep me in the same column so if I start in Subject I stay in Subject!
>>>>> hth Colin
>>>>> PS. I'm still on Snowy Kitty!
>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 21:44, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Is there a way of quickly getting to top of message table in mail?
>>>>>> When I do vo, fn shift left arrow, I get to a button called "select by date menu button". I'm still at the bottom of the message table. I can obviously arrow up but that takes a while with a large mailbox.
>>>>>> Any suggestions? I'm on a macbook pro hence the need for the fn key.
>>>>>> Lisette
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Okay, I think I have go to visible end selected. But here is additional info. If I go to the bottom of the message list, then Option 1 does not work. If I go to the top of the message list, then Option 2 does not work. So I am stumped. I'll have someone eyeball this and see what they notice.
Les
On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
> The only thing I can think of is you might have picked the wrong item in the menu! There is the go to End and go to most visible end!
> Just check which one you have!
> And if you got the right option of command I do not know why it is not working for you!
> On 20 Jun 2012, at 23:50, Les Kriegler wrote:
>> Okay, I set up the actions and for some reason, only one works. So in other words, I interact with the Messages Table and issue the go to top of messages list with Option-1. Then if I immediately issue the Option 2 command, I go down the list, but don't reach the bottom. What have I missed?
>> Les
>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>> OK Yes there is the trackpad option as well!
>>> But if you want the Keyboard version here it is!
>>> I'll do it as if someone needs it from the beginning!
>>> 1, Open VoO utility with VO+f8
>>> You should be on General scroll across to the [allow voiceover to be controlled by applescripts ] check box and checkit!
>>> 2, press command+8 and this will take you to the commanders, and go and select the Keyboard commander tab!
>>> 3, you can enable keyboard commander, then next you can choose which option key you wish to use! [it should be on the right one by default]
>>> 4, now you can go to the table of shortcuts [and there will be some already there] like option+T for the time and option+S for safari!
>>> Next to the table is the add button select it!
>>> 5, The 1st field is where you put the key you wish to use [have the key in mind]because it must be put in 1st!
>>> 6, Next is the menu of commands you want to use!
>>> So pick the Navigation sub menu and if you want to set the option to go to the top and stay in the same column pick the [go to most visible top or for the end most visible end!
>>> hth colin
>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 22:58, Traci wrote:
>>>> I as well use control-option-shift home or shift-end. Since I'm on a macbook Air, I need the function key.
>>>> After a while, I found all these buttons annoying, so i use the trackpad commanders and set up shift-flick-down to go to top and shift-flick-up to go to the bottom. So much easier. :)
>>>> Traci
>>>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>>> Ok well that doesn't work for me. I wonder what I've got screwy in my mailbox. I still can't see my on my mac mailboxes. So something is very weird with mine.
>>>>> How did you set up those short cuts.
>>>>> On 21/06/2012, at 8:58 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>>>> Hi there!
>>>>>> That command works here OK! I'm using a Wireless Keyboard so need the FN key as well!
>>>>>> So I hold the FN+VO with my left hand and do Shift+left/right arrows with my Right!
>>>>>> Also I've got a Keyboard shortcut to do the same thing! So all I do is press right option+1 to go to top and 2 for the bottom!
>>>>>> That command is set to keep me in the same column so if I start in Subject I stay in Subject!
>>>>>> hth Colin
>>>>>> PS. I'm still on Snowy Kitty!
>>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 21:44, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> Is there a way of quickly getting to top of message table in mail?
>>>>>>> When I do vo, fn shift left arrow, I get to a button called "select by date menu button". I'm still at the bottom of the message table. I can obviously arrow up but that takes a while with a large mailbox.
>>>>>>> Any suggestions? I'm on a macbook pro hence the need for the fn key.
>>>>>>> Lisette
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Sorry this could be my fault!
Try picking the go to top most item and the bottom most item from the Jump sub menu instead and see if that works!
Sorry about that Its been a long time since I made them!
Colin
> Okay, I think I have go to visible end selected. But here is additional info. If I go to the bottom of the message list, then Option 1 does not work. If I go to the top of the message list, then Option 2 does not work. So I am stumped. I'll have someone eyeball this and see what they notice.
> Les
> On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>> The only thing I can think of is you might have picked the wrong item in the menu! There is the go to End and go to most visible end!
>> Just check which one you have!
>> And if you got the right option of command I do not know why it is not working for you!
>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 23:50, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>> Okay, I set up the actions and for some reason, only one works. So in other words, I interact with the Messages Table and issue the go to top of messages list with Option-1. Then if I immediately issue the Option 2 command, I go down the list, but don't reach the bottom. What have I missed?
>>> Les
>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>> OK Yes there is the trackpad option as well!
>>>> But if you want the Keyboard version here it is!
>>>> I'll do it as if someone needs it from the beginning!
>>>> 1, Open VoO utility with VO+f8
>>>> You should be on General scroll across to the [allow voiceover to be controlled by applescripts ] check box and checkit!
>>>> 2, press command+8 and this will take you to the commanders, and go and select the Keyboard commander tab!
>>>> 3, you can enable keyboard commander, then next you can choose which option key you wish to use! [it should be on the right one by default]
>>>> 4, now you can go to the table of shortcuts [and there will be some already there] like option+T for the time and option+S for safari!
>>>> Next to the table is the add button select it!
>>>> 5, The 1st field is where you put the key you wish to use [have the key in mind]because it must be put in 1st!
>>>> 6, Next is the menu of commands you want to use!
>>>> So pick the Navigation sub menu and if you want to set the option to go to the top and stay in the same column pick the [go to most visible top or for the end most visible end!
>>>> hth colin
>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 22:58, Traci wrote:
>>>>> I as well use control-option-shift home or shift-end. Since I'm on a macbook Air, I need the function key.
>>>>> After a while, I found all these buttons annoying, so i use the trackpad commanders and set up shift-flick-down to go to top and shift-flick-up to go to the bottom. So much easier. :)
>>>>> Traci
>>>>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
>>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>>>> Ok well that doesn't work for me. I wonder what I've got screwy in my mailbox. I still can't see my on my mac mailboxes. So something is very weird with mine.
>>>>>> How did you set up those short cuts.
>>>>>> On 21/06/2012, at 8:58 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi there!
>>>>>>> That command works here OK! I'm using a Wireless Keyboard so need the FN key as well!
>>>>>>> So I hold the FN+VO with my left hand and do Shift+left/right arrows with my Right!
>>>>>>> Also I've got a Keyboard shortcut to do the same thing! So all I do is press right option+1 to go to top and 2 for the bottom!
>>>>>>> That command is set to keep me in the same column so if I start in Subject I stay in Subject!
>>>>>>> hth Colin
>>>>>>> PS. I'm still on Snowy Kitty!
>>>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 21:44, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>> Is there a way of quickly getting to top of message table in mail?
>>>>>>>> When I do vo, fn shift left arrow, I get to a button called "select by date menu button". I'm still at the bottom of the message table. I can obviously arrow up but that takes a while with a large mailbox.
>>>>>>>> Any suggestions? I'm on a macbook pro hence the need for the fn key.
>>>>>>>> Lisette
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Hi again!
I've checked and that is the right command to pick from the Jump sub menu!
If you wish to check it out 1st just press!
VO+shift+J and then straight away VO+shift+down arrow and you should find yourself at the bottom of the page still in the same column as you were!
And then do the same [but adding the up arrow] and you should be at the top!
You do not need the most visible top or bottom items just the most top or bottom items from the Jump sub menu!
hth Colin
Sorry this could be my fault!
Try picking the go to top most item and the bottom most item from the Jump sub menu instead and see if that works!
Sorry about that Its been a long time since I made them!
Colin
> Okay, I think I have go to visible end selected. But here is additional info. If I go to the bottom of the message list, then Option 1 does not work. If I go to the top of the message list, then Option 2 does not work. So I am stumped. I'll have someone eyeball this and see what they notice.
> Les
> On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>> The only thing I can think of is you might have picked the wrong item in the menu! There is the go to End and go to most visible end!
>> Just check which one you have!
>> And if you got the right option of command I do not know why it is not working for you!
>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 23:50, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>> Okay, I set up the actions and for some reason, only one works. So in other words, I interact with the Messages Table and issue the go to top of messages list with Option-1. Then if I immediately issue the Option 2 command, I go down the list, but don't reach the bottom. What have I missed?
>>> Les
>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>> OK Yes there is the trackpad option as well!
>>>> But if you want the Keyboard version here it is!
>>>> I'll do it as if someone needs it from the beginning!
>>>> 1, Open VoO utility with VO+f8
>>>> You should be on General scroll across to the [allow voiceover to be controlled by applescripts ] check box and check it!
>>>> 2, press command+8 and this will take you to the commanders, and go and select the Keyboard commander tab!
>>>> 3, you can enable keyboard commander, then next you can choose which option key you wish to use! [it should be on the right one by default]
>>>> 4, now you can go to the table of shortcuts [and there will be some already there] like option+T for the time and option+S for safari!
>>>> Next to the table is the add button select it!
>>>> 5, The 1st field is where you put the key you wish to use [have the key in mind]because it must be put in 1st!
>>>> 6, Next is the menu of commands you want to use!
>>>> So pick the Navigation sub menu and if you want to set the option to go to the top and stay in the same column pick the [go to most visible top or for the end most visible end!
>>>> hth colin
>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 22:58, Traci wrote:
>>>>> I as well use control-option-shift home or shift-end. Since I'm on a macbook Air, I need the function key.
>>>>> After a while, I found all these buttons annoying, so i use the trackpad commanders and set up shift-flick-down to go to top and shift-flick-up to go to the bottom. So much easier. :)
>>>>> Traci
>>>>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
>>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>>>> Ok well that doesn't work for me. I wonder what I've got screwy in my mailbox. I still can't see my on my mac mailboxes. So something is very weird with mine.
>>>>>> How did you set up those short cuts.
>>>>>> On 21/06/2012, at 8:58 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi there!
>>>>>>> That command works here OK! I'm using a Wireless Keyboard so need the FN key as well!
>>>>>>> So I hold the FN+VO with my left hand and do Shift+left/right arrows with my Right!
>>>>>>> Also I've got a Keyboard shortcut to do the same thing! So all I do is press right option+1 to go to top and 2 for the bottom!
>>>>>>> That command is set to keep me in the same column so if I start in Subject I stay in Subject!
>>>>>>> hth Colin
>>>>>>> PS. I'm still on Snowy Kitty!
>>>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 21:44, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>> Is there a way of quickly getting to top of message table in mail?
>>>>>>>> When I do vo, fn shift left arrow, I get to a button called "select by date menu button". I'm still at the bottom of the message table. I can obviously arrow up but that takes a while with a large mailbox.
>>>>>>>> Any suggestions? I'm on a macbook pro hence the need for the fn key.
>>>>>>>> Lisette
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> Sorry this could be my fault!
> Try picking the go to top most item and the bottom most item from the Jump sub menu instead and see if that works!
> Sorry about that Its been a long time since I made them!
> Colin
> On 21 Jun 2012, at 00:08, Les Kriegler wrote:
>> Okay, I think I have go to visible end selected. But here is additional info. If I go to the bottom of the message list, then Option 1 does not work. If I go to the top of the message list, then Option 2 does not work. So I am stumped. I'll have someone eyeball this and see what they notice.
>> Les
>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>> The only thing I can think of is you might have picked the wrong item in the menu! There is the go to End and go to most visible end!
>>> Just check which one you have!
>>> And if you got the right option of command I do not know why it is not working for you!
>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 23:50, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>>> Okay, I set up the actions and for some reason, only one works. So in other words, I interact with the Messages Table and issue the go to top of messages list with Option-1. Then if I immediately issue the Option 2 command, I go down the list, but don't reach the bottom. What have I missed?
>>>> Les
>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>>> OK Yes there is the trackpad option as well!
>>>>> But if you want the Keyboard version here it is!
>>>>> I'll do it as if someone needs it from the beginning!
>>>>> 1, Open VoO utility with VO+f8
>>>>> You should be on General scroll across to the [allow voiceover to be controlled by applescripts ] check box and checkit!
>>>>> 2, press command+8 and this will take you to the commanders, and go and select the Keyboard commander tab!
>>>>> 3, you can enable keyboard commander, then next you can choose which option key you wish to use! [it should be on the right one by default]
>>>>> 4, now you can go to the table of shortcuts [and there will be some already there] like option+T for the time and option+S for safari!
>>>>> Next to the table is the add button select it!
>>>>> 5, The 1st field is where you put the key you wish to use [have the key in mind]because it must be put in 1st!
>>>>> 6, Next is the menu of commands you want to use!
>>>>> So pick the Navigation sub menu and if you want to set the option to go to the top and stay in the same column pick the [go to most visible top or for the end most visible end!
>>>>> hth colin
>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 22:58, Traci wrote:
>>>>>> I as well use control-option-shift home or shift-end. Since I'm on a macbook Air, I need the function key.
>>>>>> After a while, I found all these buttons annoying, so i use the trackpad commanders and set up shift-flick-down to go to top and shift-flick-up to go to the bottom. So much easier. :)
>>>>>> Traci
>>>>>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>>>>> Ok well that doesn't work for me. I wonder what I've got screwy in my mailbox. I still can't see my on my mac mailboxes. So something is very weird with mine.
>>>>>>> How did you set up those short cuts.
>>>>>>> On 21/06/2012, at 8:58 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi there!
>>>>>>>> That command works here OK! I'm using a Wireless Keyboard so need the FN key as well!
>>>>>>>> So I hold the FN+VO with my left hand and do Shift+left/right arrows with my Right!
>>>>>>>> Also I've got a Keyboard shortcut to do the same thing! So all I do is press right option+1 to go to top and 2 for the bottom!
>>>>>>>> That command is set to keep me in the same column so if I start in Subject I stay in Subject!
>>>>>>>> hth Colin
>>>>>>>> PS. I'm still on Snowy Kitty!
>>>>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 21:44, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>> Is there a way of quickly getting to top of message table in mail?
>>>>>>>>> When I do vo, fn shift left arrow, I get to a button called "select by date menu button". I'm still at the bottom of the message table. I can obviously arrow up but that takes a while with a large mailbox.
>>>>>>>>> Any suggestions? I'm on a macbook pro hence the need for the fn key.
>>>>>>>>> Lisette
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Hi there!
OK When you open the menu to select which command you wish to use instead of going to the navigation sub menu at or near the bottom should be the Jump sub menu!
If it is not there maybe Apple have removed or renamed it!
It should also turn up if you call up VO commands with VO+H+H
hth Colin
> I am using Lion and in the Keyboard Commanders table, I do not see an option for Jump Submenu.
> Les
> On Jun 20, 2012, at 7:25 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>> Sorry this could be my fault!
>> Try picking the go to top most item and the bottom most item from the Jump sub menu instead and see if that works!
>> Sorry about that Its been a long time since I made them!
>> Colin
>> On 21 Jun 2012, at 00:08, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>> Okay, I think I have go to visible end selected. But here is additional info. If I go to the bottom of the message list, then Option 1 does not work. If I go to the top of the message list, then Option 2 does not work. So I am stumped. I'll have someone eyeball this and see what they notice.
>>> Les
>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>> The only thing I can think of is you might have picked the wrong item in the menu! There is the go to End and go to most visible end!
>>>> Just check which one you have!
>>>> And if you got the right option of command I do not know why it is not working for you!
>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 23:50, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>>>> Okay, I set up the actions and for some reason, only one works. So in other words, I interact with the Messages Table and issue the go to top of messages list with Option-1. Then if I immediately issue the Option 2 command, I go down the list, but don't reach the bottom. What have I missed?
>>>>> Les
>>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>>>> OK Yes there is the trackpad option as well!
>>>>>> But if you want the Keyboard version here it is!
>>>>>> I'll do it as if someone needs it from the beginning!
>>>>>> 1, Open VoO utility with VO+f8
>>>>>> You should be on General scroll across to the [allow voiceover to be controlled by applescripts ] check box and check it!
>>>>>> 2, press command+8 and this will take you to the commanders, and go and select the Keyboard commander tab!
>>>>>> 3, you can enable keyboard commander, then next you can choose which option key you wish to use! [it should be on the right one by default]
>>>>>> 4, now you can go to the table of shortcuts [and there will be some already there] like option+T for the time and option+S for safari!
>>>>>> Next to the table is the add button select it!
>>>>>> 5, The 1st field is where you put the key you wish to use [have the key in mind]because it must be put in 1st!
>>>>>> 6, Next is the menu of commands you want to use!
>>>>>> So pick the Navigation sub menu and if you want to set the option to go to the top and stay in the same column pick the [go to most visible top or for the end most visible end!
>>>>>> hth colin
>>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 22:58, Traci wrote:
>>>>>>> I as well use control-option-shift home or shift-end. Since I'm on a macbook Air, I need the function key.
>>>>>>> After a while, I found all these buttons annoying, so i use the trackpad commanders and set up shift-flick-down to go to top and shift-flick-up to go to the bottom. So much easier. :)
>>>>>>> Traci
>>>>>>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ok well that doesn't work for me. I wonder what I've got screwy in my mailbox. I still can't see my on my mac mailboxes. So something is very weird with mine.
>>>>>>>> How did you set up those short cuts.
>>>>>>>> On 21/06/2012, at 8:58 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi there!
>>>>>>>>> That command works here OK! I'm using a Wireless Keyboard so need the FN key as well!
>>>>>>>>> So I hold the FN+VO with my left hand and do Shift+left/right arrows with my Right!
>>>>>>>>> Also I've got a Keyboard shortcut to do the same thing! So all I do is press right option+1 to go to top and 2 for the bottom!
>>>>>>>>> That command is set to keep me in the same column so if I start in Subject I stay in Subject!
>>>>>>>>> hth Colin
>>>>>>>>> PS. I'm still on Snowy Kitty!
>>>>>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 21:44, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>> Is there a way of quickly getting to top of message table in mail?
>>>>>>>>>> When I do vo, fn shift left arrow, I get to a button called "select by date menu button". I'm still at the bottom of the message table. I can obviously arrow up but that takes a while with a large mailbox.
>>>>>>>>>> Any suggestions? I'm on a macbook pro hence the need for the fn key.
>>>>>>>>>> Lisette
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Hi Thanks to you for trying to help us figure this out.
When I follow the steps to set a short cut key to move to top of email list, it still takes me to the "sort by date" button. vo down arrow takes me to the top of the message list, even though I've set it to go to the visible end.
Could my inbox be set to really small size? I've pressed the zoom button but don't actually know how big it is or should be.
Is there a way to set mail to go back to defaults, preferably without losing my accounts and messages?
> Hi there!
> OK When you open the menu to select which command you wish to use instead of going to the navigation sub menu at or near the bottom should be the Jump sub menu!
> If it is not there maybe Apple have removed or renamed it!
> It should also turn up if you call up VO commands with VO+H+H
> hth Colin
> On 21 Jun 2012, at 05:17, Les Kriegler wrote:
>> I am using Lion and in the Keyboard Commanders table, I do not see an option for Jump Submenu.
>> Les
>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 7:25 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>> Sorry this could be my fault!
>>> Try picking the go to top most item and the bottom most item from the Jump sub menu instead and see if that works!
>>> Sorry about that Its been a long time since I made them!
>>> Colin
>>> On 21 Jun 2012, at 00:08, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>>> Okay, I think I have go to visible end selected. But here is additional info. If I go to the bottom of the message list, then Option 1 does not work. If I go to the top of the message list, then Option 2 does not work. So I am stumped. I'll have someone eyeball this and see what they notice.
>>>> Les
>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>>> The only thing I can think of is you might have picked the wrong item in the menu! There is the go to End and go to most visible end!
>>>>> Just check which one you have!
>>>>> And if you got the right option of command I do not know why it is not working for you!
>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 23:50, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>>>>> Okay, I set up the actions and for some reason, only one works. So in other words, I interact with the Messages Table and issue the go to top of messages list with Option-1. Then if I immediately issue the Option 2 command, I go down the list, but don't reach the bottom. What have I missed?
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>>>>> OK Yes there is the trackpad option as well!
>>>>>>> But if you want the Keyboard version here it is!
>>>>>>> I'll do it as if someone needs it from the beginning!
>>>>>>> 1, Open VoO utility with VO+f8
>>>>>>> You should be on General scroll across to the [allow voiceover to be controlled by applescripts ] check box and check it!
>>>>>>> 2, press command+8 and this will take you to the commanders, and go and select the Keyboard commander tab!
>>>>>>> 3, you can enable keyboard commander, then next you can choose which option key you wish to use! [it should be on the right one by default]
>>>>>>> 4, now you can go to the table of shortcuts [and there will be some already there] like option+T for the time and option+S for safari!
>>>>>>> Next to the table is the add button select it!
>>>>>>> 5, The 1st field is where you put the key you wish to use [have the key in mind]because it must be put in 1st!
>>>>>>> 6, Next is the menu of commands you want to use!
>>>>>>> So pick the Navigation sub menu and if you want to set the option to go to the top and stay in the same column pick the [go to most visible top or for the end most visible end!
>>>>>>> hth colin
>>>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 22:58, Traci wrote:
>>>>>>>> I as well use control-option-shift home or shift-end. Since I'm on a macbook Air, I need the function key.
>>>>>>>> After a while, I found all these buttons annoying, so i use the trackpad commanders and set up shift-flick-down to go to top and shift-flick-up to go to the bottom. So much easier. :)
>>>>>>>> Traci
>>>>>>>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ok well that doesn't work for me. I wonder what I've got screwy in my mailbox. I still can't see my on my mac mailboxes. So something is very weird with mine.
>>>>>>>>> How did you set up those short cuts.
>>>>>>>>> On 21/06/2012, at 8:58 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi there!
>>>>>>>>>> That command works here OK! I'm using a Wireless Keyboard so need the FN key as well!
>>>>>>>>>> So I hold the FN+VO with my left hand and do Shift+left/right arrows with my Right!
>>>>>>>>>> Also I've got a Keyboard shortcut to do the same thing! So all I do is press right option+1 to go to top and 2 for the bottom!
>>>>>>>>>> That command is set to keep me in the same column so if I start in Subject I stay in Subject!
>>>>>>>>>> hth Colin
>>>>>>>>>> PS. I'm still on Snowy Kitty!
>>>>>>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 21:44, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a way of quickly getting to top of message table in mail?
>>>>>>>>>>> When I do vo, fn shift left arrow, I get to a button called "select by date menu button". I'm still at the bottom of the message table. I can obviously arrow up but that takes a while with a large mailbox.
>>>>>>>>>>> Any suggestions? I'm on a macbook pro hence the need for the fn key.
>>>>>>>>>>> Lisette
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I'm a bit confused as to how you're viewing your mail.
I find Classic View to be simplest and I get rid of the preview pane. In this way, I have the list of my mailboxes on the left and a list of messages on the right. I press Return to open a message and VO reads it straight through. Command-w closes the message again.
To set up Mail in this way, go to Mail Preferences (Command-Comma) and select Viewing in the toolbar. Then check the Use classic layout check box. Press Command-w to close the preferences.
If your mailboxes are not visible, try pressing Command-Shift-m.
I have gone through all 13 categories and I can not locate the option you reference. I will check again. Apple definitely removed the Jump option, as it is not in the category list, I also checked with VO H-H.
Les
On Jun 21, 2012, at 1:58 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
> Hi there!
> OK When you open the menu to select which command you wish to use instead of going to the navigation sub menu at or near the bottom should be the Jump sub menu!
> If it is not there maybe Apple have removed or renamed it!
> It should also turn up if you call up VO commands with VO+H+H
> hth Colin
> On 21 Jun 2012, at 05:17, Les Kriegler wrote:
>> I am using Lion and in the Keyboard Commanders table, I do not see an option for Jump Submenu.
>> Les
>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 7:25 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>> Sorry this could be my fault!
>>> Try picking the go to top most item and the bottom most item from the Jump sub menu instead and see if that works!
>>> Sorry about that Its been a long time since I made them!
>>> Colin
>>> On 21 Jun 2012, at 00:08, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>>> Okay, I think I have go to visible end selected. But here is additional info. If I go to the bottom of the message list, then Option 1 does not work. If I go to the top of the message list, then Option 2 does not work. So I am stumped. I'll have someone eyeball this and see what they notice.
>>>> Les
>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>>> The only thing I can think of is you might have picked the wrong item in the menu! There is the go to End and go to most visible end!
>>>>> Just check which one you have!
>>>>> And if you got the right option of command I do not know why it is not working for you!
>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 23:50, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>>>>> Okay, I set up the actions and for some reason, only one works. So in other words, I interact with the Messages Table and issue the go to top of messages list with Option-1. Then if I immediately issue the Option 2 command, I go down the list, but don't reach the bottom. What have I missed?
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>>>>> OK Yes there is the trackpad option as well!
>>>>>>> But if you want the Keyboard version here it is!
>>>>>>> I'll do it as if someone needs it from the beginning!
>>>>>>> 1, Open VoO utility with VO+f8
>>>>>>> You should be on General scroll across to the [allow voiceover to be controlled by applescripts ] check box and check it!
>>>>>>> 2, press command+8 and this will take you to the commanders, and go and select the Keyboard commander tab!
>>>>>>> 3, you can enable keyboard commander, then next you can choose which option key you wish to use! [it should be on the right one by default]
>>>>>>> 4, now you can go to the table of shortcuts [and there will be some already there] like option+T for the time and option+S for safari!
>>>>>>> Next to the table is the add button select it!
>>>>>>> 5, The 1st field is where you put the key you wish to use [have the key in mind]because it must be put in 1st!
>>>>>>> 6, Next is the menu of commands you want to use!
>>>>>>> So pick the Navigation sub menu and if you want to set the option to go to the top and stay in the same column pick the [go to most visible top or for the end most visible end!
>>>>>>> hth colin
>>>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 22:58, Traci wrote:
>>>>>>>> I as well use control-option-shift home or shift-end. Since I'm on a macbook Air, I need the function key.
>>>>>>>> After a while, I found all these buttons annoying, so i use the trackpad commanders and set up shift-flick-down to go to top and shift-flick-up to go to the bottom. So much easier. :)
>>>>>>>> Traci
>>>>>>>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ok well that doesn't work for me. I wonder what I've got screwy in my mailbox. I still can't see my on my mac mailboxes. So something is very weird with mine.
>>>>>>>>> How did you set up those short cuts.
>>>>>>>>> On 21/06/2012, at 8:58 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi there!
>>>>>>>>>> That command works here OK! I'm using a Wireless Keyboard so need the FN key as well!
>>>>>>>>>> So I hold the FN+VO with my left hand and do Shift+left/right arrows with my Right!
>>>>>>>>>> Also I've got a Keyboard shortcut to do the same thing! So all I do is press right option+1 to go to top and 2 for the bottom!
>>>>>>>>>> That command is set to keep me in the same column so if I start in Subject I stay in Subject!
>>>>>>>>>> hth Colin
>>>>>>>>>> PS. I'm still on Snowy Kitty!
>>>>>>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 21:44, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a way of quickly getting to top of message table in mail?
>>>>>>>>>>> When I do vo, fn shift left arrow, I get to a button called "select by date menu button". I'm still at the bottom of the message table. I can obviously arrow up but that takes a while with a large mailbox.
>>>>>>>>>>> Any suggestions? I'm on a macbook pro hence the need for the fn key.
>>>>>>>>>>> Lisette
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Okay, at least for the moment, I can go to the top and bottom of the message list! It works under Navigation, Go to Beginning for Option 1, and Go to End with Option 2. Thanks for working this through with me; it kept me going until I finally nailed it.
Les
On Jun 21, 2012, at 1:58 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
> Hi there!
> OK When you open the menu to select which command you wish to use instead of going to the navigation sub menu at or near the bottom should be the Jump sub menu!
> If it is not there maybe Apple have removed or renamed it!
> It should also turn up if you call up VO commands with VO+H+H
> hth Colin
> On 21 Jun 2012, at 05:17, Les Kriegler wrote:
>> I am using Lion and in the Keyboard Commanders table, I do not see an option for Jump Submenu.
>> Les
>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 7:25 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>> Sorry this could be my fault!
>>> Try picking the go to top most item and the bottom most item from the Jump sub menu instead and see if that works!
>>> Sorry about that Its been a long time since I made them!
>>> Colin
>>> On 21 Jun 2012, at 00:08, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>>> Okay, I think I have go to visible end selected. But here is additional info. If I go to the bottom of the message list, then Option 1 does not work. If I go to the top of the message list, then Option 2 does not work. So I am stumped. I'll have someone eyeball this and see what they notice.
>>>> Les
>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>>> The only thing I can think of is you might have picked the wrong item in the menu! There is the go to End and go to most visible end!
>>>>> Just check which one you have!
>>>>> And if you got the right option of command I do not know why it is not working for you!
>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 23:50, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>>>>> Okay, I set up the actions and for some reason, only one works. So in other words, I interact with the Messages Table and issue the go to top of messages list with Option-1. Then if I immediately issue the Option 2 command, I go down the list, but don't reach the bottom. What have I missed?
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>>>>> OK Yes there is the trackpad option as well!
>>>>>>> But if you want the Keyboard version here it is!
>>>>>>> I'll do it as if someone needs it from the beginning!
>>>>>>> 1, Open VoO utility with VO+f8
>>>>>>> You should be on General scroll across to the [allow voiceover to be controlled by applescripts ] check box and check it!
>>>>>>> 2, press command+8 and this will take you to the commanders, and go and select the Keyboard commander tab!
>>>>>>> 3, you can enable keyboard commander, then next you can choose which option key you wish to use! [it should be on the right one by default]
>>>>>>> 4, now you can go to the table of shortcuts [and there will be some already there] like option+T for the time and option+S for safari!
>>>>>>> Next to the table is the add button select it!
>>>>>>> 5, The 1st field is where you put the key you wish to use [have the key in mind]because it must be put in 1st!
>>>>>>> 6, Next is the menu of commands you want to use!
>>>>>>> So pick the Navigation sub menu and if you want to set the option to go to the top and stay in the same column pick the [go to most visible top or for the end most visible end!
>>>>>>> hth colin
>>>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 22:58, Traci wrote:
>>>>>>>> I as well use control-option-shift home or shift-end. Since I'm on a macbook Air, I need the function key.
>>>>>>>> After a while, I found all these buttons annoying, so i use the trackpad commanders and set up shift-flick-down to go to top and shift-flick-up to go to the bottom. So much easier. :)
>>>>>>>> Traci
>>>>>>>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ok well that doesn't work for me. I wonder what I've got screwy in my mailbox. I still can't see my on my mac mailboxes. So something is very weird with mine.
>>>>>>>>> How did you set up those short cuts.
>>>>>>>>> On 21/06/2012, at 8:58 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi there!
>>>>>>>>>> That command works here OK! I'm using a Wireless Keyboard so need the FN key as well!
>>>>>>>>>> So I hold the FN+VO with my left hand and do Shift+left/right arrows with my Right!
>>>>>>>>>> Also I've got a Keyboard shortcut to do the same thing! So all I do is press right option+1 to go to top and 2 for the bottom!
>>>>>>>>>> That command is set to keep me in the same column so if I start in Subject I stay in Subject!
>>>>>>>>>> hth Colin
>>>>>>>>>> PS. I'm still on Snowy Kitty!
>>>>>>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 21:44, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a way of quickly getting to top of message table in mail?
>>>>>>>>>>> When I do vo, fn shift left arrow, I get to a button called "select by date menu button". I'm still at the bottom of the message table. I can obviously arrow up but that takes a while with a large mailbox.
>>>>>>>>>>> Any suggestions? I'm on a macbook pro hence the need for the fn key.
>>>>>>>>>>> Lisette
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Now that I can reliably go to the top and bottom of the message list in my inbox, I offer the following suggestion. You must make certain you are interacting with the messages table for this to work. If you hear something like "sort by date", it is likely you are not interacting with the table. Another quirk I have seen is even when I am in a messages list and I interact with what I think is the Messages Table, on occasion, VO reports that I am interacting with the Sender of the highlighted message, even though I am supposedly in a messages list. I don't know why this occurs, but thought I'd pass it on. As long as VO reports that you are interacting with the Messages Table, you should get reliable results when moving to the top and bottom of the messages list. My thanks to Colin for alerting me to use the keyboard commander, as I'd much rather use Option 1 and Option 2 than VO-Shift-Up arrow or Down Arrow which is the default keystroke in Lion to go to the top and bottom of the messages list. BTW, those default keystrokes also only work if you interact with the messages table.
Les
On Jun 21, 2012, at 1:58 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
> Hi there!
> OK When you open the menu to select which command you wish to use instead of going to the navigation sub menu at or near the bottom should be the Jump sub menu!
> If it is not there maybe Apple have removed or renamed it!
> It should also turn up if you call up VO commands with VO+H+H
> hth Colin
> On 21 Jun 2012, at 05:17, Les Kriegler wrote:
>> I am using Lion and in the Keyboard Commanders table, I do not see an option for Jump Submenu.
>> Les
>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 7:25 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>> Sorry this could be my fault!
>>> Try picking the go to top most item and the bottom most item from the Jump sub menu instead and see if that works!
>>> Sorry about that Its been a long time since I made them!
>>> Colin
>>> On 21 Jun 2012, at 00:08, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>>> Okay, I think I have go to visible end selected. But here is additional info. If I go to the bottom of the message list, then Option 1 does not work. If I go to the top of the message list, then Option 2 does not work. So I am stumped. I'll have someone eyeball this and see what they notice.
>>>> Les
>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:55 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>>> The only thing I can think of is you might have picked the wrong item in the menu! There is the go to End and go to most visible end!
>>>>> Just check which one you have!
>>>>> And if you got the right option of command I do not know why it is not working for you!
>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 23:50, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>>>>> Okay, I set up the actions and for some reason, only one works. So in other words, I interact with the Messages Table and issue the go to top of messages list with Option-1. Then if I immediately issue the Option 2 command, I go down the list, but don't reach the bottom. What have I missed?
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 6:31 PM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>>>>> OK Yes there is the trackpad option as well!
>>>>>>> But if you want the Keyboard version here it is!
>>>>>>> I'll do it as if someone needs it from the beginning!
>>>>>>> 1, Open VoO utility with VO+f8
>>>>>>> You should be on General scroll across to the [allow voiceover to be controlled by applescripts ] check box and check it!
>>>>>>> 2, press command+8 and this will take you to the commanders, and go and select the Keyboard commander tab!
>>>>>>> 3, you can enable keyboard commander, then next you can choose which option key you wish to use! [it should be on the right one by default]
>>>>>>> 4, now you can go to the table of shortcuts [and there will be some already there] like option+T for the time and option+S for safari!
>>>>>>> Next to the table is the add button select it!
>>>>>>> 5, The 1st field is where you put the key you wish to use [have the key in mind]because it must be put in 1st!
>>>>>>> 6, Next is the menu of commands you want to use!
>>>>>>> So pick the Navigation sub menu and if you want to set the option to go to the top and stay in the same column pick the [go to most visible top or for the end most visible end!
>>>>>>> hth colin
>>>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 22:58, Traci wrote:
>>>>>>>> I as well use control-option-shift home or shift-end. Since I'm on a macbook Air, I need the function key.
>>>>>>>> After a while, I found all these buttons annoying, so i use the trackpad commanders and set up shift-flick-down to go to top and shift-flick-up to go to the bottom. So much easier. :)
>>>>>>>> Traci
>>>>>>>> Sent by Macbook Air Mail
>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Ok well that doesn't work for me. I wonder what I've got screwy in my mailbox. I still can't see my on my mac mailboxes. So something is very weird with mine.
>>>>>>>>> How did you set up those short cuts.
>>>>>>>>> On 21/06/2012, at 8:58 AM, Red.Falcon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi there!
>>>>>>>>>> That command works here OK! I'm using a Wireless Keyboard so need the FN key as well!
>>>>>>>>>> So I hold the FN+VO with my left hand and do Shift+left/right arrows with my Right!
>>>>>>>>>> Also I've got a Keyboard shortcut to do the same thing! So all I do is press right option+1 to go to top and 2 for the bottom!
>>>>>>>>>> That command is set to keep me in the same column so if I start in Subject I stay in Subject!
>>>>>>>>>> hth Colin
>>>>>>>>>> PS. I'm still on Snowy Kitty!
>>>>>>>>>> On 20 Jun 2012, at 21:44, Lisette Wesseling wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a way of quickly getting to top of message table in mail?
>>>>>>>>>>> When I do vo, fn shift left arrow, I get to a button called "select by date menu button". I'm still at the bottom of the message table. I can obviously arrow up but that takes a while with a large mailbox.
>>>>>>>>>>> Any suggestions? I'm on a macbook pro hence the need for the fn key.
>>>>>>>>>>> Lisette
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