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 More options May 23 2012, 9:25 am
From: TAG <gillespiema...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 06:25:37 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Wed, May 23 2012 9:25 am
Subject: Synth chips from Commodore 64 and old Soundblasters for Soundbuilders
The Soundbuilders are working on a couple synth modules based on chips
from the Commodore 64 and mid to late '90s soundcards that use the
Yamaha OPL3, and we could use some help finding parts.

The Commodore 64 utilized a MOS Technology SID (Sound Interface
Device) chip (it was also used in the  CBM-II, Commodore 128 and
Commodore MAX Machine home computers).  The SID was actually a
digitally controlled analog synth in a chip.

There are two different SID derivatives: the 6581 (first version,
initially used by C64 in the "brown breadbox case"), and the 8580
(later version, used by C64 in the flat gray case). There is also a
6582, which was sold as replacement for defective 8580s.

The Yamaha OPL3 was an FM synthesis chipset used on Sound Blaster Pro
2.0 and later cards until it was ousted by wavetable synth chips in
the late 90s.  Specifically we am looking for the YMF262 sound chip
and YAC512 DACs.  The following soundcards are known to use these
chips:

Creative Soundblaster Pro II (or Soundblaster Pro 2)
Creative Soundblaster 16 (not the VALUE version!)
Creative Soundblaster Pro SCSI
Creative Soundblaster 16 SCSI (CT1770)
Creative Vibra 16 (CT2260)
Creative Vibra 16 (CT2800)
Creative Vibra 16 (CT2810)
Creative Vibra 16 PnP (CT2890)
Creative SB16 MCD (CT1750)
Media Vision Pro AudioSpectrum 16
Media Vision Jazz 16
Media Vision PAS16 LMSI 1992 (IXW-PAS16P)
Media Vision PROAUDIO 3D
Turtle Beach Tropez Rev 2.0
Turtle Beach Monte Carlo (P/N 500.2)
ESS AudioDrive
Aztech Sound Galaxy
Aztech Sound Galaxy Washington 16
Aztech Sound Galaxy Nova 16
Aztech AZT2316-S
Mozart ISA
Mediamagic ISP-16
TeleVideo teleWave Q32=/SRS (Rev.C)
Televideo Telesound Pro16
Adlib Gold 1000
Windows SOUNDSYSTEM (rev B.)
OPTi 930 Soundsystem (S0930S0010)

Thanks!


 
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Discussion subject changed to "{LVL1} Synth chips from Commodore 64 and old Soundblasters for Soundbuilders" by creig...@sdf.lonestar.org
creig...@sdf.lonestar.org  
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 More options May 23 2012, 1:58 pm
From: creig...@sdf.lonestar.org
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 17:58:38 -0000
Local: Wed, May 23 2012 1:58 pm
Subject: Re: {LVL1} Synth chips from Commodore 64 and old Soundblasters for Soundbuilders

> The Soundbuilders are working on a couple synth modules based on chips
> from the Commodore 64 and mid to late '90s soundcards that use the
> Yamaha OPL3, and we could use some help finding parts.

I'm dying to know what you are using these recycled chips for!

Creighton


 
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Tim Gillespie  
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 More options May 23 2012, 2:04 pm
From: Tim Gillespie <gillespiema...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 14:04:38 -0400
Local: Wed, May 23 2012 2:04 pm
Subject: Re: {LVL1} Synth chips from Commodore 64 and old Soundblasters for Soundbuilders
Connect them to a microcontroller, use a UART for MIDI and you can
access all the goodies inside and build whatever kind of control
surface you want to tweak all the settings and parameters.


 
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 More options May 23 2012, 2:27 pm
From: Ben Hibben <the.blens...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 14:27:16 -0400
Local: Wed, May 23 2012 2:27 pm
Subject: Re: {LVL1} Synth chips from Commodore 64 and old Soundblasters for Soundbuilders

That sounds fun.  I'll dig through my collection and see what I have.  If I
have 2 maybe I can talk someone into showing me how to do that with one and
give them the other?

Blenster

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 More options May 23 2012, 3:44 pm
From: Tim Gillespie <gillespiema...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 15:44:37 -0400
Local: Wed, May 23 2012 3:44 pm
Subject: Re: {LVL1} Synth chips from Commodore 64 and old Soundblasters for Soundbuilders

Even if you only find one we can show you.  Here are the details for the FM
chip:
http://www.ucapps.de/midibox_fm.html


 
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 More options May 23 2012, 6:02 pm
From: creig...@sdf.lonestar.org
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 22:02:15 -0000
Local: Wed, May 23 2012 6:02 pm
Subject: Re: {LVL1} Synth chips from Commodore 64 and old Soundblasters for Soundbuilders

> Even if you only find one we can show you.  Here are the details for the
> FM
> chip:
> http://www.ucapps.de/midibox_fm.html

I feel stupid right now.  I don't really even understand what I'm looking
at.  Is this like a homebrew synthiszer like one would buy with a set of
piano like keys?

Creighton


 
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 More options May 23 2012, 6:57 pm
From: Tim Gillespie <gillespiema...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 23 May 2012 18:57:20 -0400
Local: Wed, May 23 2012 6:57 pm
Subject: Re: {LVL1} Synth chips from Commodore 64 and old Soundblasters for Soundbuilders

Yes, only without the piano keys, you need a midi controller of some sort
to turn notes on and off.  It could be a midi keyboard, sequencer, PC, etc.


 
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 More options May 24 2012, 7:31 am
From: Jason Dodd <jason.s.d...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 07:31:19 -0400
Local: Thurs, May 24 2012 7:31 am
Subject: Re: {LVL1} Synth chips from Commodore 64 and old Soundblasters for Soundbuilders

Seems related enough:
http://hackaday.com/2012/05/23/jeri-builds-a-c64-bass-keytar/

On 05/23/2012 03:44 PM, Tim Gillespie wrote:


 
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 More options May 24 2012, 8:34 am
From: jesco w <jasonpittman...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 07:34:48 -0500
Local: Thurs, May 24 2012 8:34 am
Subject: Re: {LVL1} Synth chips from Commodore 64 and old Soundblasters for Soundbuilders

im pretty sure i have a creative labs soundblaster pro sound card around
somewhere ,
    looked though some box's allready ..      im still looking !


 
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 More options Jul 9 2012, 1:33 pm
From: Tim Gillespie <gillespiema...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:33:14 -0400
Local: Mon, Jul 9 2012 1:33 pm
Subject: Re: {LVL1} Synth chips from Commodore 64 and old Soundblasters for Soundbuilders

I found a distributor that had NOS of the yamaha chips for a few bucks
each.  Chris and I bought several sets.  I should have a board running soon
to test them out.


 
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 More options Jul 9 2012, 1:35 pm
From: Pat McCarthy <pmccar...@humana.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:35:13 +0000
Local: Mon, Jul 9 2012 1:35 pm
Subject: RE: {LVL1} Synth chips from Commodore 64 and old Soundblasters for Soundbuilders

Off topic... new term? What does NOS mean?

From: lvl1@googlegroups.com [mailto:lvl1@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Gillespie
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 1:33 PM
To: lvl1@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: {LVL1} Synth chips from Commodore 64 and old Soundblasters for Soundbuilders

I found a distributor that had NOS of the yamaha chips for a few bucks each.  Chris and I bought several sets.  I should have a board running soon to test them out.

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 8:34 AM, jesco w <jasonpittman...@gmail.com<mailto:jasonpittman...@gmail.com>> wrote:
im pretty sure i have a creative labs soundblaster pro sound card around somewhere ,
    looked though some box's allready ..      im still looking !

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Jason Dodd <jason.s.d...@gmail.com<mailto:jason.s.d...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Seems related enough: http://hackaday.com/2012/05/23/jeri-builds-a-c64-bass-keytar/

On 05/23/2012 03:44 PM, Tim Gillespie wrote:
Even if you only find one we can show you.  Here are the details for the FM chip:
http://www.ucapps.de/midibox_fm.html

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From: Christopher Cprek <paxtita...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:36:16 -0400
Local: Mon, Jul 9 2012 1:36 pm
Subject: Re: {LVL1} Synth chips from Commodore 64 and old Soundblasters for Soundbuilders
New Old Stock.


 
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 More options Jul 9 2012, 1:39 pm
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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:39:45 -0500
Local: Mon, Jul 9 2012 1:39 pm
Subject: Re: {LVL1} Synth chips from Commodore 64 and old Soundblasters for Soundbuilders

reminds me i need to look for that soundblaster card.     im 99% sure i
didnt junk it

   allthough the wifey  did conspire with familly  and  have a "
Intervention " to tell me i was hoarding, lol        im like     " what ?
ill need those someday  ! "

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Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:39:56 +0000
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Subject: RE: {LVL1} Synth chips from Commodore 64 and old Soundblasters for Soundbuilders
Cool... new thing learned. I can go home now


 
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 More options Jul 9 2012, 1:43 pm
From: Pat McCarthy <pmccar...@humana.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 17:43:30 +0000
Local: Mon, Jul 9 2012 1:43 pm
Subject: RE: {LVL1} Synth chips from Commodore 64 and old Soundblasters for Soundbuilders

Can you use a soundblaster? What kinda chip are you looking for?

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To: lvl1@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: {LVL1} Synth chips from Commodore 64 and old Soundblasters for Soundbuilders

reminds me i need to look for that soundblaster card.     im 99% sure i didnt junk it

   allthough the wifey  did conspire with familly  and  have a " Intervention " to tell me i was hoarding, lol        im like     " what ?  ill need those someday  ! "

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 12:33 PM, Tim Gillespie <gillespiema...@gmail.com<mailto:gillespiema...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I found a distributor that had NOS of the yamaha chips for a few bucks each.  Chris and I bought several sets.  I should have a board running soon to test them out.

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 8:34 AM, jesco w <jasonpittman...@gmail.com<mailto:jasonpittman...@gmail.com>> wrote:
im pretty sure i have a creative labs soundblaster pro sound card around somewhere ,
    looked though some box's allready ..      im still looking !

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Jason Dodd <jason.s.d...@gmail.com<mailto:jason.s.d...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Seems related enough: http://hackaday.com/2012/05/23/jeri-builds-a-c64-bass-keytar/

On 05/23/2012 03:44 PM, Tim Gillespie wrote:
Even if you only find one we can show you.  Here are the details for the FM chip:
http://www.ucapps.de/midibox_fm.html

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Ben Hibben <the.blens...@gmail.com<mailto:the.blens...@gmail.com>> wrote:

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 More options Jul 9 2012, 1:43 pm
From: Jonathan Clark <jdc...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:43:41 -0400
Local: Mon, Jul 9 2012 1:43 pm
Subject: Re: {LVL1} Synth chips from Commodore 64 and old Soundblasters for Soundbuilders

OH NO! I must have thrown out close to 3 huge boxes of SoundBlaster Pro II
cards not 3 months ago.  I had kept them forever thinking "One day someone
will use these for something awesome".  That'll teach me not to hoard!
 I'll look around at the few boxes of sound cards I didn't toss and see if
I can come up with any on the list.


 
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 More options Jul 9 2012, 1:51 pm
From: Christopher Cprek <paxtita...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 13:51:08 -0400
Local: Mon, Jul 9 2012 1:51 pm
Subject: Re: {LVL1} Synth chips from Commodore 64 and old Soundblasters for Soundbuilders
This is what we could use, from the original thread. I went through
the boneyard stock about 6 months ago and found 1 Soundblaster card
that had a YMF252, but no corresponding DAC.

""""
The Yamaha OPL3 was an FM synthesis chipset used on Sound Blaster Pro
2.0 and later cards until it was ousted by wavetable synth chips in
the late 90s.  Specifically we am looking for the YMF262 sound chip
and YAC512 DACs.  The following soundcards are known to use these
chips:

Creative Soundblaster Pro II (or Soundblaster Pro 2)
Creative Soundblaster 16 (not the VALUE version!)
Creative Soundblaster Pro SCSI
Creative Soundblaster 16 SCSI (CT1770)
Creative Vibra 16 (CT2260)
Creative Vibra 16 (CT2800)
Creative Vibra 16 (CT2810)
Creative Vibra 16 PnP (CT2890)
Creative SB16 MCD (CT1750)
Media Vision Pro AudioSpectrum 16
Media Vision Jazz 16
Media Vision PAS16 LMSI 1992 (IXW-PAS16P)
Media Vision PROAUDIO 3D
Turtle Beach Tropez Rev 2.0
Turtle Beach Monte Carlo (P/N 500.2)
ESS AudioDrive
Aztech Sound Galaxy
Aztech Sound Galaxy Washington 16
Aztech Sound Galaxy Nova 16
Aztech AZT2316-S
Mozart ISA
Mediamagic ISP-16
TeleVideo teleWave Q32=/SRS (Rev.C)
Televideo Telesound Pro16
Adlib Gold 1000
Windows SOUNDSYSTEM (rev B.)
OPTi 930 Soundsystem (S0930S0010)


 
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