Discussion about funds allocation petition. This is not a fap.
We need an air compressor that can actually run the pile of air tools in
the basement. Grinders, cutoff wheels, vacuums, air chizel, impact wrench,
screw gun, air nailer, media blaster, paint gun.
Requirements
at least 10 CFM @ 90psi
filtered for the dust
humidity remover
easy maintenance
simple to operate
will fit into the basement and can be put in the basement
220 or less single phase preferred
Nice to have
Auto drain for main tank(accessory) ~$125
Info on air compressors
CFM - Cubic Feet per Minute - this is how much air is comong out of the end
of the hose per minute
PSI - Pounds Square Inch - This is how much pressure the air is applying
http://www2.northerntool.com/shop/tools/buyers-guides_air-compressors I know they are specifying 4x and I am basing 1 or 2 times but I am not
trying to sell air compressors and am basing it off of experience less is
fine most cases and the other cases it is only a slight delay.
(this is still not a fap)
Tank- holds the air the bigger the tank the more stable the airflow. can be
horizontal- more mobile or vertical- less space
Pump - pressurizes the air list in order of effectiveness: bladder, 1
stage, 2 stage, and screw
Regulator - controlls the flow of the air leaving the tank
water seperator/trap - first step can remove 40%-60% of moisture in the
lines
Desiccant air dryer - very good for using with sprayers and sandblasters -
used after other methods of drying and adds lots of maintenance overhead
electric autodrain for tank - performs the most overlooked air tank
maintenance automaticly
airtool oiler- not good for using with anything that expells materials. Can
be bypassed with a bottle of air tool oil in a mixed use system
(this is still not a fap)
info on water removal
http://www.centrair.ca/removing-water-from-compressed-air.html idea is to maybe place it in the dead room by the old air unit or under
the stairs.
Less noise in main room from compressor
not running pipe the entire length of the building$$$
gives distance to run the pipe in a way that will remove some moisture
before reaching tools
can't really walk in those places easily anyways
No qoutes for
circuit breaker, wire 10/3, an outlet depending if it is straight wired or
a plug
pipe - plastic, rubber, gas, pvc, copper, anything rated to hold 200psi
(this is still not a fap)
at least 10 CFM @ 90psi
i have one thats max is about the same i i believe an it wont kick over
a impact wrench
, really sucks
i know harbor freight sells Desiccant air dryer and filters as i added
those to mine , 10$ maybe i forget .
ive been looking for a bigger tank myself , i see harbor freight sells
compressor heads you could add to your own tank , found some used 80
gallon tanks fairly cheap
i dunno been tryin to weigh out buying a compressor head an tank myself
, a buddy suggested capping PVC pipe an useing it as tanks but sounds like
a bomb to me ,.
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Tim Miller <timmillert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Discussion about funds allocation petition. This is not a fap.
> We need an air compressor that can actually run the pile of air tools in
> the basement. Grinders, cutoff wheels, vacuums, air chizel, impact wrench,
> screw gun, air nailer, media blaster, paint gun.
> Requirements
> at least 10 CFM @ 90psi
> filtered for the dust
> humidity remover
> easy maintenance
> simple to operate
> will fit into the basement and can be put in the basement
> 220 or less single phase preferred
> Nice to have
> Auto drain for main tank(accessory) ~$125
> Info on air compressors
> CFM - Cubic Feet per Minute - this is how much air is comong out of the
> end of the hose per minute
> PSI - Pounds Square Inch - This is how much pressure the air is applying
> http://www2.northerntool.com/shop/tools/buyers-guides_air-compressors > I know they are specifying 4x and I am basing 1 or 2 times but I am not
> trying to sell air compressors and am basing it off of experience less is
> fine most cases and the other cases it is only a slight delay.
> (this is still not a fap)
> Tank- holds the air the bigger the tank the more stable the airflow. can
> be horizontal- more mobile or vertical- less space
> Pump - pressurizes the air list in order of effectiveness: bladder, 1
> stage, 2 stage, and screw
> Regulator - controlls the flow of the air leaving the tank
> water seperator/trap - first step can remove 40%-60% of moisture in the
> lines
> Desiccant air dryer - very good for using with sprayers and sandblasters -
> used after other methods of drying and adds lots of maintenance overhead
> electric autodrain for tank - performs the most overlooked air tank
> maintenance automaticly
> airtool oiler- not good for using with anything that expells materials.
> Can be bypassed with a bottle of air tool oil in a mixed use system
> (this is still not a fap)
> info on water removal
> http://www.centrair.ca/removing-water-from-compressed-air.html > idea is to maybe place it in the dead room by the old air unit or under
> the stairs.
> Less noise in main room from compressor
> not running pipe the entire length of the building$$$
> gives distance to run the pipe in a way that will remove some moisture
> before reaching tools
> can't really walk in those places easily anyways
> No qoutes for
> circuit breaker, wire 10/3, an outlet depending if it is straight wired or
> a plug
> pipe - plastic, rubber, gas, pvc, copper, anything rated to hold 200psi
> (this is still not a fap)
> http://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/Campbell-Hausfeld-TQ3104-Air-Comp... > 4: Craigslist $100-1000 may not be working, probably worn out, or could be
> brand new
> someone that is not me will have to organize this but it is still an
> option.
> (this is still not a fap) if you +1 this you are an idiot and i will
> mock and ridicule you even if you did it as a joke.
Never use PVC for compressed air. Ever. Get certified tanks, or
preferably a unit with a tank. An axilliary tank isn't a bad thing for
increased CFM a distance away however. If running lines, best to use black
iron or galvanized pipe.
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:20 AM, # <jasonpittman...@gmail.com> wrote:
> at least 10 CFM @ 90psi
> i have one thats max is about the same i i believe an it wont kick
> over a impact wrench
> , really sucks
> i know harbor freight sells Desiccant air dryer and filters as i added
> those to mine , 10$ maybe i forget .
> ive been looking for a bigger tank myself , i see harbor freight sells
> compressor heads you could add to your own tank , found some used 80
> gallon tanks fairly cheap
> i dunno been tryin to weigh out buying a compressor head an tank myself
> , a buddy suggested capping PVC pipe an useing it as tanks but sounds like
> a bomb to me ,.
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Tim Miller <timmillert...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> Discussion about funds allocation petition. This is not a fap.
>> We need an air compressor that can actually run the pile of air tools in
>> the basement. Grinders, cutoff wheels, vacuums, air chizel, impact wrench,
>> screw gun, air nailer, media blaster, paint gun.
>> Requirements
>> at least 10 CFM @ 90psi
>> filtered for the dust
>> humidity remover
>> easy maintenance
>> simple to operate
>> will fit into the basement and can be put in the basement
>> 220 or less single phase preferred
>> Nice to have
>> Auto drain for main tank(accessory) ~$125
>> Info on air compressors
>> CFM - Cubic Feet per Minute - this is how much air is comong out of the
>> end of the hose per minute
>> PSI - Pounds Square Inch - This is how much pressure the air is applying
>> http://www2.northerntool.com/shop/tools/buyers-guides_air-compressors >> I know they are specifying 4x and I am basing 1 or 2 times but I am not
>> trying to sell air compressors and am basing it off of experience less is
>> fine most cases and the other cases it is only a slight delay.
>> (this is still not a fap)
>> Tank- holds the air the bigger the tank the more stable the airflow. can
>> be horizontal- more mobile or vertical- less space
>> Pump - pressurizes the air list in order of effectiveness: bladder, 1
>> stage, 2 stage, and screw
>> Regulator - controlls the flow of the air leaving the tank
>> water seperator/trap - first step can remove 40%-60% of moisture in the
>> lines
>> Desiccant air dryer - very good for using with sprayers and sandblasters
>> - used after other methods of drying and adds lots of maintenance overhead
>> electric autodrain for tank - performs the most overlooked air tank
>> maintenance automaticly
>> airtool oiler- not good for using with anything that expells materials.
>> Can be bypassed with a bottle of air tool oil in a mixed use system
>> (this is still not a fap)
>> info on water removal
>> http://www.centrair.ca/removing-water-from-compressed-air.html >> idea is to maybe place it in the dead room by the old air unit or under
>> the stairs.
>> Less noise in main room from compressor
>> not running pipe the entire length of the building$$$
>> gives distance to run the pipe in a way that will remove some moisture
>> before reaching tools
>> can't really walk in those places easily anyways
>> No qoutes for
>> circuit breaker, wire 10/3, an outlet depending if it is straight wired
>> or a plug
>> pipe - plastic, rubber, gas, pvc, copper, anything rated to hold 200psi
>> (this is still not a fap)
>> http://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/Campbell-Hausfeld-TQ3104-Air-Comp... >> 4: Craigslist $100-1000 may not be working, probably worn out, or could
>> be brand new
>> someone that is not me will have to organize this but it is still an
>> option.
>> (this is still not a fap) if you +1 this you are an idiot and i will
>> mock and ridicule you even if you did it as a joke.
i really would like to run hard lines around the garage , its on my
list of one day when im not broke things to do ,
cool to see you all getting bigger more industrial tools , really wish
you all had that metal mill hardly a day goes by i didnt think damn i need
access to one , be damned they cost so much !
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Jeff Johnson <jeffjohn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Never use PVC for compressed air. Ever. Get certified tanks, or
> preferably a unit with a tank. An axilliary tank isn't a bad thing for
> increased CFM a distance away however. If running lines, best to use black
> iron or galvanized pipe.
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:20 AM, # <jasonpittman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> at least 10 CFM @ 90psi
>> i have one thats max is about the same i i believe an it wont kick
>> over a impact wrench
>> , really sucks
>> i know harbor freight sells Desiccant air dryer and filters as i added
>> those to mine , 10$ maybe i forget .
>> ive been looking for a bigger tank myself , i see harbor freight sells
>> compressor heads you could add to your own tank , found some used 80
>> gallon tanks fairly cheap
>> i dunno been tryin to weigh out buying a compressor head an tank myself
>> , a buddy suggested capping PVC pipe an useing it as tanks but sounds like
>> a bomb to me ,.
>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Tim Miller <timmillert...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> Discussion about funds allocation petition. This is not a fap.
>>> We need an air compressor that can actually run the pile of air tools in
>>> the basement. Grinders, cutoff wheels, vacuums, air chizel, impact wrench,
>>> screw gun, air nailer, media blaster, paint gun.
>>> Requirements
>>> at least 10 CFM @ 90psi
>>> filtered for the dust
>>> humidity remover
>>> easy maintenance
>>> simple to operate
>>> will fit into the basement and can be put in the basement
>>> 220 or less single phase preferred
>>> Nice to have
>>> Auto drain for main tank(accessory) ~$125
>>> Info on air compressors
>>> CFM - Cubic Feet per Minute - this is how much air is comong out of the
>>> end of the hose per minute
>>> PSI - Pounds Square Inch - This is how much pressure the air is applying
>>> http://www2.northerntool.com/shop/tools/buyers-guides_air-compressors >>> I know they are specifying 4x and I am basing 1 or 2 times but I am not
>>> trying to sell air compressors and am basing it off of experience less is
>>> fine most cases and the other cases it is only a slight delay.
>>> (this is still not a fap)
>>> Tank- holds the air the bigger the tank the more stable the airflow. can
>>> be horizontal- more mobile or vertical- less space
>>> Pump - pressurizes the air list in order of effectiveness: bladder, 1
>>> stage, 2 stage, and screw
>>> Regulator - controlls the flow of the air leaving the tank
>>> water seperator/trap - first step can remove 40%-60% of moisture in the
>>> lines
>>> Desiccant air dryer - very good for using with sprayers and sandblasters
>>> - used after other methods of drying and adds lots of maintenance overhead
>>> electric autodrain for tank - performs the most overlooked air tank
>>> maintenance automaticly
>>> airtool oiler- not good for using with anything that expells materials.
>>> Can be bypassed with a bottle of air tool oil in a mixed use system
>>> (this is still not a fap)
>>> info on water removal
>>> http://www.centrair.ca/removing-water-from-compressed-air.html >>> idea is to maybe place it in the dead room by the old air unit or under
>>> the stairs.
>>> Less noise in main room from compressor
>>> not running pipe the entire length of the building$$$
>>> gives distance to run the pipe in a way that will remove some moisture
>>> before reaching tools
>>> can't really walk in those places easily anyways
>>> No qoutes for
>>> circuit breaker, wire 10/3, an outlet depending if it is straight wired
>>> or a plug
>>> pipe - plastic, rubber, gas, pvc, copper, anything rated to hold 200psi
>>> (this is still not a fap)
>>> http://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/Campbell-Hausfeld-TQ3104-Air-Comp... >>> 4: Craigslist $100-1000 may not be working, probably worn out, or could
>>> be brand new
>>> someone that is not me will have to organize this but it is still an
>>> option.
>>> (this is still not a fap) if you +1 this you are an idiot and i will
>>> mock and ridicule you even if you did it as a joke.
10CFM at 90lbs will run an 1/2" impact. if it doesn't you need to oil your
impact gun.
if you look at the kits from the air compressor retailers for running
distance lines none of them are black pipe or galvanized. Most installs are
using PEX it is cheaper easier and more flexible. Copper is pretty much
gone because of cost.There is pvc rated for this pressure but it is not
used often because it is prone to shatter if hit wrong and expensive I put
it on the list because it is an option not necessarily the best one. you
could even use clay pipe if you wanted but it has the same problem as pvc.
Using a tank that is not certified is a bad idea, there is a reason there
is a certification for them. I do not want the liability for negligence if
it goes wrong.
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:19 AM, # <jasonpittman...@gmail.com> wrote:
> yeah i agree , just sounds not safe
> i really would like to run hard lines around the garage , its on my
> list of one day when im not broke things to do ,
> cool to see you all getting bigger more industrial tools , really wish
> you all had that metal mill hardly a day goes by i didnt think damn i need
> access to one , be damned they cost so much !
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Jeff Johnson <jeffjohn...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> Never use PVC for compressed air. Ever. Get certified tanks, or
>> preferably a unit with a tank. An axilliary tank isn't a bad thing for
>> increased CFM a distance away however. If running lines, best to use black
>> iron or galvanized pipe.
>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:20 AM, # <jasonpittman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> at least 10 CFM @ 90psi
>>> i have one thats max is about the same i i believe an it wont kick
>>> over a impact wrench
>>> , really sucks
>>> i know harbor freight sells Desiccant air dryer and filters as i added
>>> those to mine , 10$ maybe i forget .
>>> ive been looking for a bigger tank myself , i see harbor freight
>>> sells compressor heads you could add to your own tank , found some used
>>> 80 gallon tanks fairly cheap
>>> i dunno been tryin to weigh out buying a compressor head an tank
>>> myself , a buddy suggested capping PVC pipe an useing it as tanks but
>>> sounds like a bomb to me ,.
>>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Tim Miller <timmillert...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> Discussion about funds allocation petition. This is not a fap.
>>>> We need an air compressor that can actually run the pile of air tools
>>>> in the basement. Grinders, cutoff wheels, vacuums, air chizel, impact
>>>> wrench, screw gun, air nailer, media blaster, paint gun.
>>>> Requirements
>>>> at least 10 CFM @ 90psi
>>>> filtered for the dust
>>>> humidity remover
>>>> easy maintenance
>>>> simple to operate
>>>> will fit into the basement and can be put in the basement
>>>> 220 or less single phase preferred
>>>> Nice to have
>>>> Auto drain for main tank(accessory) ~$125
>>>> Info on air compressors
>>>> CFM - Cubic Feet per Minute - this is how much air is comong out of the
>>>> end of the hose per minute
>>>> PSI - Pounds Square Inch - This is how much pressure the air is applying
>>>> http://www2.northerntool.com/shop/tools/buyers-guides_air-compressors >>>> I know they are specifying 4x and I am basing 1 or 2 times but I am not
>>>> trying to sell air compressors and am basing it off of experience less is
>>>> fine most cases and the other cases it is only a slight delay.
>>>> (this is still not a fap)
>>>> Tank- holds the air the bigger the tank the more stable the airflow.
>>>> can be horizontal- more mobile or vertical- less space
>>>> Pump - pressurizes the air list in order of effectiveness: bladder, 1
>>>> stage, 2 stage, and screw
>>>> Regulator - controlls the flow of the air leaving the tank
>>>> water seperator/trap - first step can remove 40%-60% of moisture in the
>>>> lines
>>>> Desiccant air dryer - very good for using with sprayers and
>>>> sandblasters - used after other methods of drying and adds lots of
>>>> maintenance overhead
>>>> electric autodrain for tank - performs the most overlooked air tank
>>>> maintenance automaticly
>>>> airtool oiler- not good for using with anything that expells materials.
>>>> Can be bypassed with a bottle of air tool oil in a mixed use system
>>>> (this is still not a fap)
>>>> info on water removal
>>>> http://www.centrair.ca/removing-water-from-compressed-air.html >>>> idea is to maybe place it in the dead room by the old air unit or
>>>> under the stairs.
>>>> Less noise in main room from compressor
>>>> not running pipe the entire length of the building$$$
>>>> gives distance to run the pipe in a way that will remove some
>>>> moisture before reaching tools
>>>> can't really walk in those places easily anyways
>>>> No qoutes for
>>>> circuit breaker, wire 10/3, an outlet depending if it is straight wired
>>>> or a plug
>>>> pipe - plastic, rubber, gas, pvc, copper, anything rated to hold 200psi
>>>> (this is still not a fap)
>>>> (this is still not a fap)
>>>> There are a few options for Air compressors that are affordable and
>>>> don't suck a lot.
>>>> 1: Harbour freight
>>>> for $900 this one is on back order
>>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/air-tools/air-compressors/5-hp-60-gallon... >>>> for $650 this one is available now
>>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/air-tools/air-compressors/5-hp-60-gallon... >>>> 2: there is a possibility that at a peddlers market in this area there
>>>> is a Campbell Hausfeld factory second/fell of truck
>>>> ~$500 piece it together yourself model; if you can get all the pieces
>>>> it should work
>>>> http://www.chpower.com/productdetail/5-hp-80-gallon-two-stage-air-com... >>>> 3: $1000 buy that questionable thing, as a working compressor from a
>>>> company that is an official dealer, as a note Campbell Hausfeld is in
>>>> Cincinatti, Ohio.
>>>> http://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/Campbell-Hausfeld-TQ3104-Air-Comp... >>>> 4: Craigslist $100-1000 may not be working, probably worn out, or could
>>>> be brand new
>>>> someone that is not me will have to organize this but it is still an
>>>> option.
>>>> (this is still not a fap) if you +1 this you are an idiot and i will
>>>> mock and ridicule you even if you did it as a joke.
PEX can handle the pressure, but many in the industry prefer metal pipe
for fire resistance, heat dissipation, and prevention of sags that can act
as a water collection and freeze/bust (unlikely though it may be). I don't
really have a dog in that hunt, I'm okay with whatever as long as it is not
PVC. I had a glued water connection bust and that was just 50 PSI of
water, (and yes, it was done by a professional plumber). Air can be as
high as 150 psi (or higher). depending on the compressor and regulated
setting. OSHA hates PEX for air lines (or so I've heard), but OSHA are
idiotic control freaks IMO.
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Tim Miller <timmillert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 10CFM at 90lbs will run an 1/2" impact. if it doesn't you need to oil your
> impact gun.
> if you look at the kits from the air compressor retailers for running
> distance lines none of them are black pipe or galvanized. Most installs are
> using PEX it is cheaper easier and more flexible. Copper is pretty much
> gone because of cost.There is pvc rated for this pressure but it is not
> used often because it is prone to shatter if hit wrong and expensive I put
> it on the list because it is an option not necessarily the best one. you
> could even use clay pipe if you wanted but it has the same problem as pvc.
> Using a tank that is not certified is a bad idea, there is a reason there
> is a certification for them. I do not want the liability for negligence if
> it goes wrong.
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:19 AM, # <jasonpittman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> yeah i agree , just sounds not safe
>> i really would like to run hard lines around the garage , its on
>> my list of one day when im not broke things to do ,
>> cool to see you all getting bigger more industrial tools , really wish
>> you all had that metal mill hardly a day goes by i didnt think damn i need
>> access to one , be damned they cost so much !
>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Jeff Johnson <jeffjohn...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> Never use PVC for compressed air. Ever. Get certified tanks, or
>>> preferably a unit with a tank. An axilliary tank isn't a bad thing for
>>> increased CFM a distance away however. If running lines, best to use black
>>> iron or galvanized pipe.
>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:20 AM, # <jasonpittman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> at least 10 CFM @ 90psi
>>>> i have one thats max is about the same i i believe an it wont kick
>>>> over a impact wrench
>>>> , really sucks
>>>> i know harbor freight sells Desiccant air dryer and filters as i added
>>>> those to mine , 10$ maybe i forget .
>>>> ive been looking for a bigger tank myself , i see harbor freight
>>>> sells compressor heads you could add to your own tank , found some used
>>>> 80 gallon tanks fairly cheap
>>>> i dunno been tryin to weigh out buying a compressor head an tank
>>>> myself , a buddy suggested capping PVC pipe an useing it as tanks but
>>>> sounds like a bomb to me ,.
>>>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Tim Miller <timmillert...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>> Discussion about funds allocation petition. This is not a fap.
>>>>> We need an air compressor that can actually run the pile of air tools
>>>>> in the basement. Grinders, cutoff wheels, vacuums, air chizel, impact
>>>>> wrench, screw gun, air nailer, media blaster, paint gun.
>>>>> Requirements
>>>>> at least 10 CFM @ 90psi
>>>>> filtered for the dust
>>>>> humidity remover
>>>>> easy maintenance
>>>>> simple to operate
>>>>> will fit into the basement and can be put in the basement
>>>>> 220 or less single phase preferred
>>>>> Nice to have
>>>>> Auto drain for main tank(accessory) ~$125
>>>>> Info on air compressors
>>>>> CFM - Cubic Feet per Minute - this is how much air is comong out of
>>>>> the end of the hose per minute
>>>>> PSI - Pounds Square Inch - This is how much pressure the air is
>>>>> applying
>>>>> http://www2.northerntool.com/shop/tools/buyers-guides_air-compressors >>>>> I know they are specifying 4x and I am basing 1 or 2 times but I am
>>>>> not trying to sell air compressors and am basing it off of experience less
>>>>> is fine most cases and the other cases it is only a slight delay.
>>>>> (this is still not a fap)
>>>>> Tank- holds the air the bigger the tank the more stable the airflow.
>>>>> can be horizontal- more mobile or vertical- less space
>>>>> Pump - pressurizes the air list in order of effectiveness: bladder, 1
>>>>> stage, 2 stage, and screw
>>>>> Regulator - controlls the flow of the air leaving the tank
>>>>> water seperator/trap - first step can remove 40%-60% of moisture in
>>>>> the lines
>>>>> Desiccant air dryer - very good for using with sprayers and
>>>>> sandblasters - used after other methods of drying and adds lots of
>>>>> maintenance overhead
>>>>> electric autodrain for tank - performs the most overlooked air tank
>>>>> maintenance automaticly
>>>>> airtool oiler- not good for using with anything that expells
>>>>> materials. Can be bypassed with a bottle of air tool oil in a mixed use
>>>>> system
>>>>> (this is still not a fap)
>>>>> info on water removal
>>>>> http://www.centrair.ca/removing-water-from-compressed-air.html >>>>> idea is to maybe place it in the dead room by the old air unit or
>>>>> under the stairs.
>>>>> Less noise in main room from compressor
>>>>> not running pipe the entire length of the building$$$
>>>>> gives distance to run the pipe in a way that will remove some
>>>>> moisture before reaching tools
>>>>> can't really walk in those places easily anyways
>>>>> No qoutes for
>>>>> circuit breaker, wire 10/3, an outlet depending if it is straight
>>>>> wired or a plug
>>>>> pipe - plastic, rubber, gas, pvc, copper, anything rated to hold 200psi
>>>>> (this is still not a fap)
>>>>> (this is still not a fap)
>>>>> There are a few options for Air compressors that are affordable and
>>>>> don't suck a lot.
>>>>> 1: Harbour freight
>>>>> for $900 this one is on back order
>>>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/air-tools/air-compressors/5-hp-60-gallon... >>>>> for $650 this one is available now
>>>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/air-tools/air-compressors/5-hp-60-gallon... >>>>> 2: there is a possibility that at a peddlers market in this area there
>>>>> is a Campbell Hausfeld factory second/fell of truck
>>>>> ~$500 piece it together yourself model; if you can get all the pieces
>>>>> it should work
>>>>> http://www.chpower.com/productdetail/5-hp-80-gallon-two-stage-air-com... >>>>> 3: $1000 buy that questionable thing, as a working compressor from a
>>>>> company that is an official dealer, as a note Campbell Hausfeld is in
>>>>> Cincinatti, Ohio.
>>>>> http://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/Campbell-Hausfeld-TQ3104-Air-Comp... >>>>> 4: Craigslist $100-1000 may not be working, probably worn out, or
>>>>> could be brand new
>>>>> someone that is not me will have to organize this but it is still an
>>>>> option.
>>>>> (this is still not a fap) if you +1 this you are an idiot and i will
>>>>> mock and ridicule you even if you did it as a joke.
its technically PEX-AL-PEX it is a aluminum PEX sandwich used for
compressed air and heater lines. Not the standard kitchen sink hookup
stuff. OSHA is like any other regulatory body, change means the people who
pay them off have changed and they are worried about their kickbacks. That
and now i believe they require 5 or 6 sequential 100 year studies before
anything is deemed safe.
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Jeff Johnson <jeffjohn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> PEX can handle the pressure, but many in the industry prefer metal pipe
> for fire resistance, heat dissipation, and prevention of sags that can act
> as a water collection and freeze/bust (unlikely though it may be). I don't
> really have a dog in that hunt, I'm okay with whatever as long as it is not
> PVC. I had a glued water connection bust and that was just 50 PSI of
> water, (and yes, it was done by a professional plumber). Air can be as
> high as 150 psi (or higher). depending on the compressor and regulated
> setting. OSHA hates PEX for air lines (or so I've heard), but OSHA are
> idiotic control freaks IMO.
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Tim Miller <timmillert...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> 10CFM at 90lbs will run an 1/2" impact. if it doesn't you need to oil
>> your impact gun.
>> if you look at the kits from the air compressor retailers for running
>> distance lines none of them are black pipe or galvanized. Most installs are
>> using PEX it is cheaper easier and more flexible. Copper is pretty much
>> gone because of cost.There is pvc rated for this pressure but it is not
>> used often because it is prone to shatter if hit wrong and expensive I put
>> it on the list because it is an option not necessarily the best one. you
>> could even use clay pipe if you wanted but it has the same problem as pvc.
>> Using a tank that is not certified is a bad idea, there is a reason there
>> is a certification for them. I do not want the liability for negligence if
>> it goes wrong.
>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:19 AM, # <jasonpittman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> yeah i agree , just sounds not safe
>>> i really would like to run hard lines around the garage , its on
>>> my list of one day when im not broke things to do ,
>>> cool to see you all getting bigger more industrial tools , really wish
>>> you all had that metal mill hardly a day goes by i didnt think damn i need
>>> access to one , be damned they cost so much !
>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Jeff Johnson <jeffjohn...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> Never use PVC for compressed air. Ever. Get certified tanks, or
>>>> preferably a unit with a tank. An axilliary tank isn't a bad thing for
>>>> increased CFM a distance away however. If running lines, best to use black
>>>> iron or galvanized pipe.
>>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:20 AM, # <jasonpittman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> at least 10 CFM @ 90psi
>>>>> i have one thats max is about the same i i believe an it wont kick
>>>>> over a impact wrench
>>>>> , really sucks
>>>>> i know harbor freight sells Desiccant air dryer and filters as i added
>>>>> those to mine , 10$ maybe i forget .
>>>>> ive been looking for a bigger tank myself , i see harbor freight
>>>>> sells compressor heads you could add to your own tank , found some used
>>>>> 80 gallon tanks fairly cheap
>>>>> i dunno been tryin to weigh out buying a compressor head an tank
>>>>> myself , a buddy suggested capping PVC pipe an useing it as tanks but
>>>>> sounds like a bomb to me ,.
>>>>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Tim Miller <timmillert...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>> Discussion about funds allocation petition. This is not a fap.
>>>>>> We need an air compressor that can actually run the pile of air tools
>>>>>> in the basement. Grinders, cutoff wheels, vacuums, air chizel, impact
>>>>>> wrench, screw gun, air nailer, media blaster, paint gun.
>>>>>> Requirements
>>>>>> at least 10 CFM @ 90psi
>>>>>> filtered for the dust
>>>>>> humidity remover
>>>>>> easy maintenance
>>>>>> simple to operate
>>>>>> will fit into the basement and can be put in the basement
>>>>>> 220 or less single phase preferred
>>>>>> Nice to have
>>>>>> Auto drain for main tank(accessory) ~$125
>>>>>> Info on air compressors
>>>>>> CFM - Cubic Feet per Minute - this is how much air is comong out of
>>>>>> the end of the hose per minute
>>>>>> PSI - Pounds Square Inch - This is how much pressure the air is
>>>>>> applying
>>>>>> http://www2.northerntool.com/shop/tools/buyers-guides_air-compressors >>>>>> I know they are specifying 4x and I am basing 1 or 2 times but I am
>>>>>> not trying to sell air compressors and am basing it off of experience less
>>>>>> is fine most cases and the other cases it is only a slight delay.
>>>>>> (this is still not a fap)
>>>>>> Tank- holds the air the bigger the tank the more stable the airflow.
>>>>>> can be horizontal- more mobile or vertical- less space
>>>>>> Pump - pressurizes the air list in order of effectiveness: bladder,
>>>>>> 1 stage, 2 stage, and screw
>>>>>> Regulator - controlls the flow of the air leaving the tank
>>>>>> water seperator/trap - first step can remove 40%-60% of moisture in
>>>>>> the lines
>>>>>> Desiccant air dryer - very good for using with sprayers and
>>>>>> sandblasters - used after other methods of drying and adds lots of
>>>>>> maintenance overhead
>>>>>> electric autodrain for tank - performs the most overlooked air tank
>>>>>> maintenance automaticly
>>>>>> airtool oiler- not good for using with anything that expells
>>>>>> materials. Can be bypassed with a bottle of air tool oil in a mixed use
>>>>>> system
>>>>>> (this is still not a fap)
>>>>>> info on water removal
>>>>>> http://www.centrair.ca/removing-water-from-compressed-air.html >>>>>> idea is to maybe place it in the dead room by the old air unit or
>>>>>> under the stairs.
>>>>>> Less noise in main room from compressor
>>>>>> not running pipe the entire length of the building$$$
>>>>>> gives distance to run the pipe in a way that will remove some
>>>>>> moisture before reaching tools
>>>>>> can't really walk in those places easily anyways
>>>>>> No qoutes for
>>>>>> circuit breaker, wire 10/3, an outlet depending if it is straight
>>>>>> wired or a plug
>>>>>> pipe - plastic, rubber, gas, pvc, copper, anything rated to hold
>>>>>> 200psi
>>>>>> (this is still not a fap)
>>>>>> (this is still not a fap)
>>>>>> There are a few options for Air compressors that are affordable and
>>>>>> don't suck a lot.
>>>>>> 1: Harbour freight
>>>>>> for $900 this one is on back order
>>>>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/air-tools/air-compressors/5-hp-60-gallon... >>>>>> for $650 this one is available now
>>>>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/air-tools/air-compressors/5-hp-60-gallon... >>>>>> 2: there is a possibility that at a peddlers market in this area
>>>>>> there is a Campbell Hausfeld factory second/fell of truck
>>>>>> ~$500 piece it together yourself model; if you can get all the pieces
>>>>>> it should work
>>>>>> http://www.chpower.com/productdetail/5-hp-80-gallon-two-stage-air-com... >>>>>> 3: $1000 buy that questionable thing, as a working compressor from a
>>>>>> company that is an official dealer, as a note Campbell Hausfeld is in
>>>>>> Cincinatti, Ohio.
>>>>>> http://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/Campbell-Hausfeld-TQ3104-Air-Comp... >>>>>> 4: Craigslist $100-1000 may not be working, probably worn out, or
>>>>>> could be brand new
>>>>>> someone that is not me will have to organize this but it is still an
>>>>>> option.
>>>>>> (this is still not a fap) if you +1 this you are an idiot and i
>>>>>> will mock and ridicule you even if you did it as a joke.
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Tim Miller <timmillert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> its technically PEX-AL-PEX it is a aluminum PEX sandwich used for
> compressed air and heater lines. Not the standard kitchen sink hookup
> stuff. OSHA is like any other regulatory body, change means the people who
> pay them off have changed and they are worried about their kickbacks. That
> and now i believe they require 5 or 6 sequential 100 year studies before
> anything is deemed safe.
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Jeff Johnson <jeffjohn...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> PEX can handle the pressure, but many in the industry prefer metal pipe
>> for fire resistance, heat dissipation, and prevention of sags that can act
>> as a water collection and freeze/bust (unlikely though it may be). I don't
>> really have a dog in that hunt, I'm okay with whatever as long as it is not
>> PVC. I had a glued water connection bust and that was just 50 PSI of
>> water, (and yes, it was done by a professional plumber). Air can be as
>> high as 150 psi (or higher). depending on the compressor and regulated
>> setting. OSHA hates PEX for air lines (or so I've heard), but OSHA are
>> idiotic control freaks IMO.
>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Tim Miller <timmillert...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> 10CFM at 90lbs will run an 1/2" impact. if it doesn't you need to oil
>>> your impact gun.
>>> if you look at the kits from the air compressor retailers for running
>>> distance lines none of them are black pipe or galvanized. Most installs are
>>> using PEX it is cheaper easier and more flexible. Copper is pretty much
>>> gone because of cost.There is pvc rated for this pressure but it is not
>>> used often because it is prone to shatter if hit wrong and expensive I put
>>> it on the list because it is an option not necessarily the best one. you
>>> could even use clay pipe if you wanted but it has the same problem as pvc.
>>> Using a tank that is not certified is a bad idea, there is a reason
>>> there is a certification for them. I do not want the liability
>>> for negligence if it goes wrong.
>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:19 AM, # <jasonpittman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> yeah i agree , just sounds not safe
>>>> i really would like to run hard lines around the garage , its on
>>>> my list of one day when im not broke things to do ,
>>>> cool to see you all getting bigger more industrial tools , really
>>>> wish you all had that metal mill hardly a day goes by i didnt think damn i
>>>> need access to one , be damned they cost so much !
>>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Jeff Johnson <jeffjohn...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>> Never use PVC for compressed air. Ever. Get certified tanks, or
>>>>> preferably a unit with a tank. An axilliary tank isn't a bad thing for
>>>>> increased CFM a distance away however. If running lines, best to use black
>>>>> iron or galvanized pipe.
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:20 AM, # <jasonpittman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> at least 10 CFM @ 90psi
>>>>>> i have one thats max is about the same i i believe an it wont
>>>>>> kick over a impact wrench
>>>>>> , really sucks
>>>>>> i know harbor freight sells Desiccant air dryer and filters as i
>>>>>> added those to mine , 10$ maybe i forget .
>>>>>> ive been looking for a bigger tank myself , i see harbor freight
>>>>>> sells compressor heads you could add to your own tank , found some used
>>>>>> 80 gallon tanks fairly cheap
>>>>>> i dunno been tryin to weigh out buying a compressor head an tank
>>>>>> myself , a buddy suggested capping PVC pipe an useing it as tanks but
>>>>>> sounds like a bomb to me ,.
>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Tim Miller <timmillert...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>> Discussion about funds allocation petition. This is not a fap.
>>>>>>> We need an air compressor that can actually run the pile of air
>>>>>>> tools in the basement. Grinders, cutoff wheels, vacuums, air chizel,
>>>>>>> impact wrench, screw gun, air nailer, media blaster, paint gun.
>>>>>>> Requirements
>>>>>>> at least 10 CFM @ 90psi
>>>>>>> filtered for the dust
>>>>>>> humidity remover
>>>>>>> easy maintenance
>>>>>>> simple to operate
>>>>>>> will fit into the basement and can be put in the basement
>>>>>>> 220 or less single phase preferred
>>>>>>> Nice to have
>>>>>>> Auto drain for main tank(accessory) ~$125
>>>>>>> Info on air compressors
>>>>>>> CFM - Cubic Feet per Minute - this is how much air is comong out of
>>>>>>> the end of the hose per minute
>>>>>>> PSI - Pounds Square Inch - This is how much pressure the air is
>>>>>>> applying
>>>>>>> http://www2.northerntool.com/shop/tools/buyers-guides_air-compressors >>>>>>> I know they are specifying 4x and I am basing 1 or 2 times but I am
>>>>>>> not trying to sell air compressors and am basing it off of experience less
>>>>>>> is fine most cases and the other cases it is only a slight delay.
>>>>>>> (this is still not a fap)
>>>>>>> Tank- holds the air the bigger the tank the more stable the airflow.
>>>>>>> can be horizontal- more mobile or vertical- less space
>>>>>>> Pump - pressurizes the air list in order of effectiveness: bladder,
>>>>>>> 1 stage, 2 stage, and screw
>>>>>>> Regulator - controlls the flow of the air leaving the tank
>>>>>>> water seperator/trap - first step can remove 40%-60% of moisture in
>>>>>>> the lines
>>>>>>> Desiccant air dryer - very good for using with sprayers and
>>>>>>> sandblasters - used after other methods of drying and adds lots of
>>>>>>> maintenance overhead
>>>>>>> electric autodrain for tank - performs the most overlooked air tank
>>>>>>> maintenance automaticly
>>>>>>> airtool oiler- not good for using with anything that expells
>>>>>>> materials. Can be bypassed with a bottle of air tool oil in a mixed use
>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>> (this is still not a fap)
>>>>>>> info on water removal
>>>>>>> http://www.centrair.ca/removing-water-from-compressed-air.html >>>>>>> idea is to maybe place it in the dead room by the old air unit or
>>>>>>> under the stairs.
>>>>>>> Less noise in main room from compressor
>>>>>>> not running pipe the entire length of the building$$$
>>>>>>> gives distance to run the pipe in a way that will remove some
>>>>>>> moisture before reaching tools
>>>>>>> can't really walk in those places easily anyways
>>>>>>> No qoutes for
>>>>>>> circuit breaker, wire 10/3, an outlet depending if it is straight
>>>>>>> wired or a plug
>>>>>>> pipe - plastic, rubber, gas, pvc, copper, anything rated to hold
>>>>>>> 200psi
>>>>>>> (this is still not a fap)
>>>>>>> (this is still not a fap)
>>>>>>> There are a few options for Air compressors that are affordable and
>>>>>>> don't suck a lot.
>>>>>>> 1: Harbour freight
>>>>>>> for $900 this one is on back order
>>>>>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/air-tools/air-compressors/5-hp-60-gallon... >>>>>>> for $650 this one is available now
>>>>>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/air-tools/air-compressors/5-hp-60-gallon... >>>>>>> 2: there is a possibility that at a peddlers market in this area
>>>>>>> there is a Campbell Hausfeld factory second/fell of truck
>>>>>>> ~$500 piece it together yourself model; if you can get all the
>>>>>>> pieces it should work
>>>>>>> http://www.chpower.com/productdetail/5-hp-80-gallon-two-stage-air-com... >>>>>>> 3: $1000 buy that questionable thing, as a working compressor from a
>>>>>>> company that is an official dealer, as a note Campbell Hausfeld is in
>>>>>>> Cincinatti, Ohio.
>>>>>>> http://www.aircompressorsdirect.com/Campbell-Hausfeld-TQ3104-Air-Comp... >>>>>>> 4: Craigslist $100-1000 may not be working, probably worn out, or
>>>>>>> could be brand new
>>>>>>> someone that is not me will have to organize this but it is still an
>>>>>>> option.
>>>>>>> (this is still not a fap) if you +1 this you are an idiot and i
>>>>>>> will mock and ridicule you even if you did it as a joke.
I had thought about those but I think the retractable ones will be a better
solution. The main reason why is the electric cords. people already are
leaving them unwound laying across the floor and tables. I just don't see
people hand winding an air hose which is harder to do. One reason is that
hand wound reels need to be where people can reel them in and can't be
placed out of the way on the ceilings. The other reason is we have one of
those reels in the basement it is pretty much useless.
The main most important decision in this email is which compressor. I'm
leaning towards the 3rd option. It is a local company. It has a real
warranty. The company has a good reputation. The acceptable reviewed
Harbour freight one is out of stock and only $100 cheaper. I am not sure a
seek and find DIY compressor from questionable sources is a good idea for
liability reasons.
On Jul 7, 2012 12:17 PM, "Jeff Johnson" <jeffjohn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Tim Miller <timmillert...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> its technically PEX-AL-PEX it is a aluminum PEX sandwich used for
>> compressed air and heater lines. Not the standard kitchen sink hookup
>> stuff. OSHA is like any other regulatory body, change means the people who
>> pay them off have changed and they are worried about their kickbacks. That
>> and now i believe they require 5 or 6 sequential 100 year studies before
>> anything is deemed safe.
>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Jeff Johnson <jeffjohn...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> PEX can handle the pressure, but many in the industry prefer metal pipe
>>> for fire resistance, heat dissipation, and prevention of sags that can act
>>> as a water collection and freeze/bust (unlikely though it may be). I don't
>>> really have a dog in that hunt, I'm okay with whatever as long as it is not
>>> PVC. I had a glued water connection bust and that was just 50 PSI of
>>> water, (and yes, it was done by a professional plumber). Air can be as
>>> high as 150 psi (or higher). depending on the compressor and regulated
>>> setting. OSHA hates PEX for air lines (or so I've heard), but OSHA are
>>> idiotic control freaks IMO.
>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Tim Miller <timmillert...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> 10CFM at 90lbs will run an 1/2" impact. if it doesn't you need to oil
>>>> your impact gun.
>>>> if you look at the kits from the air compressor retailers for running
>>>> distance lines none of them are black pipe or galvanized. Most installs are
>>>> using PEX it is cheaper easier and more flexible. Copper is pretty much
>>>> gone because of cost.There is pvc rated for this pressure but it is not
>>>> used often because it is prone to shatter if hit wrong and expensive I put
>>>> it on the list because it is an option not necessarily the best one. you
>>>> could even use clay pipe if you wanted but it has the same problem as pvc.
>>>> Using a tank that is not certified is a bad idea, there is a reason
>>>> there is a certification for them. I do not want the liability
>>>> for negligence if it goes wrong.
>>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:19 AM, # <jasonpittman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> yeah i agree , just sounds not safe
>>>>> i really would like to run hard lines around the garage , its
>>>>> on my list of one day when im not broke things to do ,
>>>>> cool to see you all getting bigger more industrial tools , really
>>>>> wish you all had that metal mill hardly a day goes by i didnt think damn i
>>>>> need access to one , be damned they cost so much !
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Jeff Johnson <jeffjohn...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>> Never use PVC for compressed air. Ever. Get certified tanks, or
>>>>>> preferably a unit with a tank. An axilliary tank isn't a bad thing for
>>>>>> increased CFM a distance away however. If running lines, best to use black
>>>>>> iron or galvanized pipe.
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:20 AM, # <jasonpittman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> at least 10 CFM @ 90psi
>>>>>>> i have one thats max is about the same i i believe an it wont
>>>>>>> kick over a impact wrench
>>>>>>> , really sucks
>>>>>>> i know harbor freight sells Desiccant air dryer and filters as i
>>>>>>> added those to mine , 10$ maybe i forget .
>>>>>>> ive been looking for a bigger tank myself , i see harbor freight
>>>>>>> sells compressor heads you could add to your own tank , found some used
>>>>>>> 80 gallon tanks fairly cheap
>>>>>>> i dunno been tryin to weigh out buying a compressor head an tank
>>>>>>> myself , a buddy suggested capping PVC pipe an useing it as tanks but
>>>>>>> sounds like a bomb to me ,.
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Tim Miller <timmillert...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>> Discussion about funds allocation petition. This is not a fap.
>>>>>>>> We need an air compressor that can actually run the pile of air
>>>>>>>> tools in the basement. Grinders, cutoff wheels, vacuums, air chizel,
>>>>>>>> impact wrench, screw gun, air nailer, media blaster, paint gun.
>>>>>>>> Requirements
>>>>>>>> at least 10 CFM @ 90psi
>>>>>>>> filtered for the dust
>>>>>>>> humidity remover
>>>>>>>> easy maintenance
>>>>>>>> simple to operate
>>>>>>>> will fit into the basement and can be put in the basement
>>>>>>>> 220 or less single phase preferred
>>>>>>>> Nice to have
>>>>>>>> Auto drain for main tank(accessory) ~$125
>>>>>>>> Info on air compressors
>>>>>>>> CFM - Cubic Feet per Minute - this is how much air is comong out of
>>>>>>>> the end of the hose per minute
>>>>>>>> PSI - Pounds Square Inch - This is how much pressure the air is
>>>>>>>> applying
>>>>>>>> http://www2.northerntool.com/shop/tools/buyers-guides_air-compressors >>>>>>>> I know they are specifying 4x and I am basing 1 or 2 times but I am
>>>>>>>> not trying to sell air compressors and am basing it off of experience less
>>>>>>>> is fine most cases and the other cases it is only a slight delay.
>>>>>>>> (this is still not a fap)
>>>>>>>> Tank- holds the air the bigger the tank the more stable the
>>>>>>>> airflow. can be horizontal- more mobile or vertical- less space
>>>>>>>> Pump - pressurizes the air list in order of effectiveness:
>>>>>>>> bladder, 1 stage, 2 stage, and screw
>>>>>>>> Regulator - controlls the flow of the air leaving the tank
>>>>>>>> water seperator/trap - first step can remove 40%-60% of moisture in
>>>>>>>> the lines
>>>>>>>> Desiccant air dryer - very good for using with sprayers and
>>>>>>>> sandblasters - used after other methods of drying and adds lots of
>>>>>>>> maintenance overhead
>>>>>>>> electric autodrain for tank - performs the most overlooked air tank
>>>>>>>> maintenance automaticly
>>>>>>>> airtool oiler- not good for using with anything that expells
>>>>>>>> materials. Can be bypassed with a bottle of air tool oil in a mixed use
>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>> (this is still not a fap)
>>>>>>>> info on water removal
>>>>>>>> http://www.centrair.ca/removing-water-from-compressed-air.html >>>>>>>> idea is to maybe place it in the dead room by the old air unit or
>>>>>>>> under the stairs.
>>>>>>>> Less noise in main room from compressor
>>>>>>>> not running pipe the entire length of the building$$$
>>>>>>>> gives distance to run the pipe in a way that will remove some
>>>>>>>> moisture before reaching tools
>>>>>>>> can't really walk in those places easily anyways
>>>>>>>> No qoutes for
>>>>>>>> circuit breaker, wire 10/3, an outlet depending if it is straight
>>>>>>>> wired or a plug
>>>>>>>> pipe - plastic, rubber, gas, pvc, copper, anything rated to hold
>>>>>>>> 200psi
>>>>>>>> (this is still not a fap)
>>>>>>>> (this is still not a fap)
>>>>>>>> There are a few options for Air compressors that are affordable and
>>>>>>>> don't suck a lot.
>>>>>>>> 1: Harbour freight
>>>>>>>> for $900 this one is on back order
>>>>>>>> http://www.harborfreight.com/air-tools/air-compressors/5-hp-60-gallon... >>>>>>>> for
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Tim Miller <timmillert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I had thought about those but I think the retractable ones will be a
> better solution. The main reason why is the electric cords. people already
> are leaving them unwound laying across the floor and tables. I just don't
> see people hand winding an air hose which is harder to do. One reason is
> that hand wound reels need to be where people can reel them in and can't be
> placed out of the way on the ceilings. The other reason is we have one of
> those reels in the basement it is pretty much useless.
> The main most important decision in this email is which compressor.
> I'm leaning towards the 3rd option. It is a local company. It has a real
> warranty. The company has a good reputation. The acceptable reviewed
> Harbour freight one is out of stock and only $100 cheaper. I am not sure a
> seek and find DIY compressor from questionable sources is a good idea for
> liability reasons.
> On Jul 7, 2012 12:17 PM, "Jeff Johnson" <jeffjohn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:08 PM, Tim Miller <timmillert...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> its technically PEX-AL-PEX it is a aluminum PEX sandwich used for
>>> compressed air and heater lines. Not the standard kitchen sink hookup
>>> stuff. OSHA is like any other regulatory body, change means the people who
>>> pay them off have changed and they are worried about their kickbacks. That
>>> and now i believe they require 5 or 6 sequential 100 year studies before
>>> anything is deemed safe.
>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Jeff Johnson <jeffjohn...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> PEX can handle the pressure, but many in the industry prefer
>>>> metal pipe for fire resistance, heat dissipation, and prevention of sags
>>>> that can act as a water collection and freeze/bust (unlikely though it may
>>>> be). I don't really have a dog in that hunt, I'm okay with whatever as
>>>> long as it is not PVC. I had a glued water connection bust and that was
>>>> just 50 PSI of water, (and yes, it was done by a professional plumber).
>>>> Air can be as high as 150 psi (or higher). depending on the compressor and
>>>> regulated setting. OSHA hates PEX for air lines (or so I've heard), but
>>>> OSHA are idiotic control freaks IMO.
>>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Tim Miller <timmillert...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>> 10CFM at 90lbs will run an 1/2" impact. if it doesn't you need to oil
>>>>> your impact gun.
>>>>> if you look at the kits from the air compressor retailers for running
>>>>> distance lines none of them are black pipe or galvanized. Most installs are
>>>>> using PEX it is cheaper easier and more flexible. Copper is pretty much
>>>>> gone because of cost.There is pvc rated for this pressure but it is not
>>>>> used often because it is prone to shatter if hit wrong and expensive I put
>>>>> it on the list because it is an option not necessarily the best one. you
>>>>> could even use clay pipe if you wanted but it has the same problem as pvc.
>>>>> Using a tank that is not certified is a bad idea, there is a reason
>>>>> there is a certification for them. I do not want the liability
>>>>> for negligence if it goes wrong.
>>>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 11:19 AM, # <jasonpittman...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> yeah i agree , just sounds not safe
>>>>>> i really would like to run hard lines around the garage , its
>>>>>> on my list of one day when im not broke things to do ,
>>>>>> cool to see you all getting bigger more industrial tools , really
>>>>>> wish you all had that metal mill hardly a day goes by i didnt think damn i
>>>>>> need access to one , be damned they cost so much !
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Jeff Johnson <jeffjohn...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>> Never use PVC for compressed air. Ever. Get certified tanks, or
>>>>>>> preferably a unit with a tank. An axilliary tank isn't a bad thing for
>>>>>>> increased CFM a distance away however. If running lines, best to use black
>>>>>>> iron or galvanized pipe.
>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 10:20 AM, # <jasonpittman...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>> at least 10 CFM @ 90psi
>>>>>>>> i have one thats max is about the same i i believe an it wont
>>>>>>>> kick over a impact wrench
>>>>>>>> , really sucks
>>>>>>>> i know harbor freight sells Desiccant air dryer and filters as i
>>>>>>>> added those to mine , 10$ maybe i forget .
>>>>>>>> ive been looking for a bigger tank myself , i see harbor freight
>>>>>>>> sells compressor heads you could add to your own tank , found some used
>>>>>>>> 80 gallon tanks fairly cheap
>>>>>>>> i dunno been tryin to weigh out buying a compressor head an tank
>>>>>>>> myself , a buddy suggested capping PVC pipe an useing it as tanks but
>>>>>>>> sounds like a bomb to me ,.
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Tim Miller <timmillert...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Discussion about funds allocation petition. This is not a fap.
>>>>>>>>> We need an air compressor that can actually run the pile of air
>>>>>>>>> tools in the basement. Grinders, cutoff wheels, vacuums, air chizel,
>>>>>>>>> impact wrench, screw gun, air nailer, media blaster, paint gun.
>>>>>>>>> Requirements
>>>>>>>>> at least 10 CFM @ 90psi
>>>>>>>>> filtered for the dust
>>>>>>>>> humidity remover
>>>>>>>>> easy maintenance
>>>>>>>>> simple to operate
>>>>>>>>> will fit into the basement and can be put in the basement
>>>>>>>>> 220 or less single phase preferred
>>>>>>>>> Nice to have
>>>>>>>>> Auto drain for main tank(accessory) ~$125
>>>>>>>>> Info on air compressors
>>>>>>>>> CFM - Cubic Feet per Minute - this is how much air is comong out
>>>>>>>>> of the end of the hose per minute
>>>>>>>>> PSI - Pounds Square Inch - This is how much pressure the air is
>>>>>>>>> applying
>>>>>>>>> http://www2.northerntool.com/shop/tools/buyers-guides_air-compressors >>>>>>>>> I know they are specifying 4x and I am basing 1 or 2 times but I
>>>>>>>>> am not trying to sell air compressors and am basing it off of experience
>>>>>>>>> less is fine most cases and the other cases it is only a slight delay.
>>>>>>>>> (this is still not a fap)
>>>>>>>>> Tank- holds the air the bigger the tank the more stable the
>>>>>>>>> airflow. can be horizontal- more mobile or vertical- less space
>>>>>>>>> Pump - pressurizes the air list in order of effectiveness:
>>>>>>>>> bladder, 1 stage, 2 stage, and screw
>>>>>>>>> Regulator - controlls the flow of the air leaving the tank
>>>>>>>>> water seperator/trap - first step can remove 40%-60% of moisture
>>>>>>>>> in the lines
>>>>>>>>> Desiccant air dryer - very good for using with sprayers and
>>>>>>>>> sandblasters - used after other methods of drying and adds lots of
>>>>>>>>> maintenance overhead
>>>>>>>>> electric autodrain for tank - performs the most overlooked air
>>>>>>>>> tank maintenance automaticly
>>>>>>>>> airtool oiler- not good for using with anything that expells
>>>>>>>>> materials. Can be bypassed with a bottle of air tool oil in a mixed use
>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>> (this is still not a fap)
>>>>>>>>> info on water removal
>>>>>>>>> http://www.centrair.ca/removing-water-from-compressed-air.html >>>>>>>>> idea is to maybe place it in the dead room by the old air unit or
>>>>>>>>> under the stairs.
>>>>>>>>> Less noise in main room from compressor
>>>>>>>>> not running pipe the entire length of the building$$$
>>>>>>>>> gives distance to run the pipe in a way that will remove some
>>>>>>>>> moisture before reaching tools
>>>>>>>>> can't really walk in those places easily anyways
>>>>>>>>> No qoutes for
>>>>>>>>> circuit breaker, wire 10/3, an outlet depending if it is straight
>>>>>>>>> wired or a plug
>>>>>>>>> pipe - plastic, rubber, gas, pvc, copper, anything rated to hold
>>>>>>>>> 200psi
>>>>>>>>> (this is still not a fap)
Personally, I do not care if it is a hose, a fitting, or an air tool.
If it is from Harbor Freight, I really do not want it in any LP Air set that is operational…..
Their hammers make good Hammers
Their Wrenches make good hammers
Their Screw Drivers make good hammers
.
.
.
Their Air Hose Couplings make good missiles… (which will strike like a good hammer)
From: lvl1@googlegroups.com [mailto:lvl1@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Aaron VerDow
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 2:38 PM
To: lvl1@googlegroups.com
Subject: {LVL1} Re: Discussion - Air Compressor
I like option 3, I think for the risk/savings ratio is too high for some of the other options.
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> Personally, I do not care if it is a hose, a fitting, or an air tool.****
> If it is from Harbor Freight, I really do not want it in any LP Air set
> that is operational…..****
> ** **
> Their hammers make good Hammers****
> Their Wrenches make good hammers****
> Their Screw Drivers make good hammers****
> .****
> .****
> .****
> Their Air Hose Couplings make good missiles… (which will strike like a
> good hammer)****
> ** **
> *From:* lvl1@googlegroups.com [mailto:lvl1@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf
> Of *Aaron VerDow
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 07, 2012 2:38 PM
> *To:* lvl1@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* {LVL1} Re: Discussion - Air Compressor****
> ** **
> I like option 3, I think for the risk/savings ratio is too high for some
> of the other options.****
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On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 9:16 AM, Tim Miller <timmillert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> proof or conjecture?
> On Jul 10, 2012 10:02 AM, "Pat McCarthy" <pmccar...@humana.com> wrote:
>> Personally, I do not care if it is a hose, a fitting, or an air tool.***
>> *
>> If it is from Harbor Freight, I really do not want it in any LP Air set
>> that is operational…..****
>> ** **
>> Their hammers make good Hammers****
>> Their Wrenches make good hammers****
>> Their Screw Drivers make good hammers****
>> .****
>> .****
>> .****
>> Their Air Hose Couplings make good missiles… (which will strike like a
>> good hammer)****
>> ** **
>> *From:* lvl1@googlegroups.com [mailto:lvl1@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf
>> Of *Aaron VerDow
>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 07, 2012 2:38 PM
>> *To:* lvl1@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* {LVL1} Re: Discussion - Air Compressor****
>> ** **
>> I like option 3, I think for the risk/savings ratio is too high for some
>> of the other options.****
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Yes, it is a logical fallacy to argue to the general case from examples (Dicto Simpliciter)
BUT, us Alarmists & Safety engineers live by that one..........
So, I have not SEEN a harbor freight air tool go left
But I have some cool tools made by them... Box wrench with a bent jaw
Open ended wrench with a missing end (Yes, snapped off)
Torque wrench with a bent handle
From: lvl1@googlegroups.com [mailto:lvl1@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Miller
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 10:17 AM
To: lvl1@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: {LVL1} Re: Discussion - Air Compressor
proof or conjecture?
On Jul 10, 2012 10:02 AM, "Pat McCarthy" <pmccar...@humana.com<mailto:pmccar...@humana.com>> wrote:
Personally, I do not care if it is a hose, a fitting, or an air tool.
If it is from Harbor Freight, I really do not want it in any LP Air set that is operational.....
Their hammers make good Hammers
Their Wrenches make good hammers
Their Screw Drivers make good hammers
.
.
.
Their Air Hose Couplings make good missiles... (which will strike like a good hammer)
From: lvl1@googlegroups.com<mailto:lvl1@googlegroups.com> [mailto:lvl1@googlegroups.com<mailto:lvl1@googlegroups.com>] On Behalf Of Aaron VerDow
Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 2:38 PM
To: lvl1@googlegroups.com<mailto:lvl1@googlegroups.com>
Subject: {LVL1} Re: Discussion - Air Compressor
I like option 3, I think for the risk/savings ratio is too high for some of the other options.
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From personal experience, I don't buy anything from HB that I am not
willing to see break under use. Drills, wrenches, screwdrivers, pulleys,
anything welded, painted or plastic :) So, I'd be happier if we pay a few
extra bucks for stuff that might last a lot longer ad avoid missile-like
properties (I've had their air equipment come apart on my on *low* presure
use).
> Personally, I do not care if it is a hose, a fitting, or an air tool.****
> If it is from Harbor Freight, I really do not want it in any LP Air set
> that is operational…..****
> ****
> Their hammers make good Hammers****
> Their Wrenches make good hammers****
> Their Screw Drivers make good hammers****
> .****
> .****
> .****
> Their Air Hose Couplings make good missiles… (which will strike like a
> good hammer)****
> ****
> *From:* lvl1@googlegroups.com [mailto:lvl1@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf
> Of *Aaron VerDow
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 07, 2012 2:38 PM
> *To:* lvl1@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* {LVL1} Re: Discussion - Air Compressor****
> ****
> I like option 3, I think for the risk/savings ratio is too high for some
> of the other options.****
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I have seen one of the Harbor Freight connectors break; I dropped a 5 lb
impact on it and it bent and sheered off. Hoses break usually because of
being left laying out and are trampled on, which is why I picked out auto
winding spools. Only air tool i have seen fail catastrophically was from
Sears it was a grinder that had the angled neck come off. Luckily the parts
missed my face because I wasn't wearing any eye protection.
Air and power tools are extremely dangerous no matter who makes them that
is why we have gloves, aprons, glasses, shields, and dust masks.
Also I ripped the head off of a harbor freight hammer. There is different
qualities of tools you can get from them. Some things you don't buy unless
you plan on tossing it, some things last years because the cheapest way to
make it was the same way everyone else does.
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Sean McPherson <sean...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From personal experience, I don't buy anything from HB that I am not
> willing to see break under use. Drills, wrenches, screwdrivers, pulleys,
> anything welded, painted or plastic :) So, I'd be happier if we pay a few
> extra bucks for stuff that might last a lot longer ad avoid missile-like
> properties (I've had their air equipment come apart on my on *low* presure
> use).
> Sean
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Pat McCarthy <pmccar...@humana.com>wrote:
>> I have proof on the first 3****
>> ** **
>> Yes, it is a logical fallacy to argue to the general case from examples (
>> *Dicto Simpliciter*)****
>> ** **
>> BUT, us Alarmists & Safety engineers live by that one……….****
>> ** **
>> So, I have not SEEN a harbor freight air tool go left ****
>> But I have some cool tools made by them… Box wrench with a bent jaw****
>> Open ended wrench with a missing end (Yes, snapped off)****
>> Torque wrench with a bent handle ****
>> ** **
>> ** **
>> ** **
>> ** **
>> ** **
>> *From:* lvl1@googlegroups.com [mailto:lvl1@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf
>> Of *Tim Miller
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 10, 2012 10:17 AM
>> *To:* lvl1@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* RE: {LVL1} Re: Discussion - Air Compressor****
>> Personally, I do not care if it is a hose, a fitting, or an air tool.****
>> If it is from Harbor Freight, I really do not want it in any LP Air set
>> that is operational…..****
>> ****
>> Their hammers make good Hammers****
>> Their Wrenches make good hammers****
>> Their Screw Drivers make good hammers****
>> .****
>> .****
>> .****
>> Their Air Hose Couplings make good missiles… (which will strike like a
>> good hammer)****
>> ****
>> *From:* lvl1@googlegroups.com [mailto:lvl1@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf
>> Of *Aaron VerDow
>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 07, 2012 2:38 PM
>> *To:* lvl1@googlegroups.com
>> *Subject:* {LVL1} Re: Discussion - Air Compressor****
>> ****
>> I like option 3, I think for the risk/savings ratio is too high for some
>> of the other options.****
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> I have seen one of the Harbor Freight connectors break; I dropped a 5 lb
> impact on it and it bent and sheered off. Hoses break usually because of
> being left laying out and are trampled on, which is why I picked out auto
> winding spools. Only air tool i have seen fail catastrophically was from
> Sears it was a grinder that had the angled neck come off. Luckily the parts
> missed my face because I wasn't wearing any eye protection.
> Air and power tools are extremely dangerous no matter who makes them that
> is why we have gloves, aprons, glasses, shields, and dust masks.
> Also I ripped the head off of a harbor freight hammer. There is different
> qualities of tools you can get from them. Some things you don't buy unless
> you plan on tossing it, some things last years because the cheapest way to
> make it was the same way everyone else does.
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Sean McPherson <sean...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> From personal experience, I don't buy anything from HB that I am not
>> willing to see break under use. Drills, wrenches, screwdrivers, pulleys,
>> anything welded, painted or plastic :) So, I'd be happier if we pay a few
>> extra bucks for stuff that might last a lot longer ad avoid missile-like
>> properties (I've had their air equipment come apart on my on *low* presure
>> use).
>> Sean
>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Pat McCarthy <pmccar...@humana.com>wrote:
>>> I have proof on the first 3****
>>> ** **
>>> Yes, it is a logical fallacy to argue to the general case from examples (
>>> *Dicto Simpliciter*)****
>>> ** **
>>> BUT, us Alarmists & Safety engineers live by that one……….****
>>> ** **
>>> So, I have not SEEN a harbor freight air tool go left ****
>>> But I have some cool tools made by them… Box wrench with a bent jaw****
>>> Open ended wrench with a missing end (Yes, snapped off)****
>>> Torque wrench with a bent handle ****
>>> ** **
>>> ** **
>>> ** **
>>> ** **
>>> ** **
>>> *From:* lvl1@googlegroups.com [mailto:lvl1@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf
>>> Of *Tim Miller
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 10, 2012 10:17 AM
>>> *To:* lvl1@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* RE: {LVL1} Re: Discussion - Air Compressor****
>>> Personally, I do not care if it is a hose, a fitting, or an air tool.***
>>> *
>>> If it is from Harbor Freight, I really do not want it in any LP Air set
>>> that is operational…..****
>>> ****
>>> Their hammers make good Hammers****
>>> Their Wrenches make good hammers****
>>> Their Screw Drivers make good hammers****
>>> .****
>>> .****
>>> .****
>>> Their Air Hose Couplings make good missiles… (which will strike like a
>>> good hammer)****
>>> ****
>>> *From:* lvl1@googlegroups.com [mailto:lvl1@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf
>>> Of *Aaron VerDow
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 07, 2012 2:38 PM
>>> *To:* lvl1@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* {LVL1} Re: Discussion - Air Compressor****
>>> ****
>>> I like option 3, I think for the risk/savings ratio is too high for some
>>> of the other options.****
>>> ** **
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Pat, stop being chicken little. :-) I would never use HFT for anything to
its design limits, but I've been using the air stuff for years and have had
no problems. Their air nailer skips occassionally, but for half price I
can live with that.
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:35 AM, # <jasonpittman...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Tim Miller <timmillert...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> I have seen one of the Harbor Freight connectors break; I dropped a 5 lb
>> impact on it and it bent and sheered off. Hoses break usually because of
>> being left laying out and are trampled on, which is why I picked out auto
>> winding spools. Only air tool i have seen fail catastrophically was from
>> Sears it was a grinder that had the angled neck come off. Luckily the parts
>> missed my face because I wasn't wearing any eye protection.
>> Air and power tools are extremely dangerous no matter who makes them that
>> is why we have gloves, aprons, glasses, shields, and dust masks.
>> Also I ripped the head off of a harbor freight hammer. There is different
>> qualities of tools you can get from them. Some things you don't buy unless
>> you plan on tossing it, some things last years because the cheapest way to
>> make it was the same way everyone else does.
>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Sean McPherson <sean...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> From personal experience, I don't buy anything from HB that I am not
>>> willing to see break under use. Drills, wrenches, screwdrivers, pulleys,
>>> anything welded, painted or plastic :) So, I'd be happier if we pay a few
>>> extra bucks for stuff that might last a lot longer ad avoid missile-like
>>> properties (I've had their air equipment come apart on my on *low* presure
>>> use).
>>> Sean
>>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 10:32 AM, Pat McCarthy <pmccar...@humana.com>wrote:
>>>> I have proof on the first 3****
>>>> ** **
>>>> Yes, it is a logical fallacy to argue to the general case from examples
>>>> (*Dicto Simpliciter*)****
>>>> ** **
>>>> BUT, us Alarmists & Safety engineers live by that one……….****
>>>> ** **
>>>> So, I have not SEEN a harbor freight air tool go left ****
>>>> But I have some cool tools made by them… Box wrench with a bent jaw****
>>>> Open ended wrench with a missing end (Yes, snapped off)****
>>>> Torque wrench with a bent handle ****
>>>> ** **
>>>> ** **
>>>> ** **
>>>> ** **
>>>> ** **
>>>> *From:* lvl1@googlegroups.com [mailto:lvl1@googlegroups.com] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Tim Miller
>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 10, 2012 10:17 AM
>>>> *To:* lvl1@googlegroups.com
>>>> *Subject:* RE: {LVL1} Re: Discussion - Air Compressor****
>>>> Personally, I do not care if it is a hose, a fitting, or an air tool.**
>>>> **
>>>> If it is from Harbor Freight, I really do not want it in any LP Air set
>>>> that is operational…..****
>>>> ****
>>>> Their hammers make good Hammers****
>>>> Their Wrenches make good hammers****
>>>> Their Screw Drivers make good hammers****
>>>> .****
>>>> .****
>>>> .****
>>>> Their Air Hose Couplings make good missiles… (which will strike like a
>>>> good hammer)****
>>>> ****
>>>> *From:* lvl1@googlegroups.com [mailto:lvl1@googlegroups.com] *On
>>>> Behalf Of *Aaron VerDow
>>>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 07, 2012 2:38 PM
>>>> *To:* lvl1@googlegroups.com
>>>> *Subject:* {LVL1} Re: Discussion - Air Compressor****
>>>> ****
>>>> I like option 3, I think for the risk/savings ratio is too high for
>>>> some of the other options.****
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