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[Justin Taylor]

The black spool is out on the replicator

[Christopher Cprek]

Following up. I ordered a replacement spool, but they were out of
black so I got dark grey.

There will be more black when the Replicator donations come through.

Chris

[Tim Miller]

save the empty spool please, there is still other colors from the cupcake not on spools.

[crei...@sdf.lonestar.org]

...at least not while anyone is around.

http://defensedistributed.com/

Just sayin'

Creighton

[Tim Miller]

perfectly legal and old news. If someone has a problem with it, its their problem let them deal with it.

[crei...@sdf.lonestar.org]

First, I was mostly joking; but how is this old news? This isn't about
the lower receiver thing from last month. This is a project dedicated to
producing a file that can print out a complete firearm, smoothbore barrel
and all. Only metal parts being a nail for a firing pin & the bullet
itself.

[Tim Miller]

the lower was from last year the pistols are from last month, the "organization" is new though that is where they might run into problems. That and potentially building a zip gun which is a NFA item.

[#]

  
 tons of gunsmith forums with blueprints , cad files etc, ,       if someone is going to make those parts id assume they have proper atf licenses ,,  
    
     someone could make a gun from the internet i dont have to see one to believe it. 
still there is a skill level needed i dont see there being gangs running with cad files  but
   makeing a " project dedicated to producing a file that can print out a complete firearm, smoothbore barreland all.  Only metal parts being a nail for a firing pin & the bullet
itself. "         takes the skill out of it !        

  i picture alot of tweens shooting there eye out if made public !   lol

[Christopher Cprek]

I found out last night that the white spool was depleted on Sunday or
Monday. Please be a good LVL1 patron like Justin and let us know when
things need to be replaced!

I ordered some more white filament, but could have avoided extra
shipping charges if I'd known the other went out too.

Thanks!

Chris

[Pat McCarthy]

Since the second replicator has... rekindled... interest (Due, in no small part, to the many improvements the new model brings to the table)
Might this be a good time to consider a FAP for more then 1 or 2 spools? (I have seen the wide array of colors... might be something to consider... (OK, the Glow-In-The-Dark and Neon colors are sparking interest, as Halloween approaches.....)


Patrick McCarthy

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[Christopher Cprek]

Part of Replicator donation being worked out includes 4 extra spools
of Red, Blue, Green and Magenta. Expect those soon, once the donation
and order is processed.

I wanted to get replacement spools of the same filament ASAP, so it
does not stall the work of our U of L Makership.

If folks would like other filament colors besides the ones above, they
can donate what they prefer or use LVL1's FAP process to purchase what
they desire.

Chris

[#]

i didnt know they made glow in the dark ,, thats cool     have a link ? 

[Pat McCarthy]

http://store.makerbot.com/plastic/1-75mm-filament.html?p=2

 

Top row, middle

(Many more colors on Page 1…..)

 

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[#]

TY,        anyone tried it out yet ?    

         bet some blacklight leds embedded into it would be cool

[Raj]

Agreed, the CAD files are a non-issue.  But building a zip gun is an NFA item?  I thought that as long as you didn't sell it, and the item itself wasn't restricted (like an SBR) you could build whatever you wanted for for personal use without any paperwork or serial numbers.  There was an artist a while back who realized that NYC paid top dollar in gun buybacks, so he made a whole bunch of artsy zip guns and turned them in for profit.  http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/06/15/artsy-zip-guns/

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To: lvl1@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 5:54 PM
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[Pat McCarthy]

NFA

SBR

zip gun

 

What ARE these arcane Runes of which you speak?

 

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[#]

SBR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short-barreled_rifle
NFA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Title_II_weapon
zipgun is diy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Improvised_firearm

[Raj]

NFA -- National Firearms Act -- Created categories of restricted weapons, like machine guns, silencers, etc., created minimum requirements (such as barrel length), and imposed a tax on the sale/transfer of these items.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

SBR -- Short Barreled Rifle -- Rifles have to have a barrel >=16 inches or an overall length >= 26 inches.  You can buy one that is shorter than these requirements, but they would be considered "NFA items" and you would have to file paperwork with the ATF and pay a $200 tax on its transfer each time (When the NFA was passed, this was a huge sum of money, and therefore a deterrent).  Some people create "firearms trusts" that legally own these weapons but have designated agents of the trust who are allowed to use them so that they don't have the legal risk and expense if somebody else wants to take delivery of them or operate them.

Zip gun -- Any sort of improvised firearm, such as using a metal tube for the barrel and a nail for the firing pin.

My understanding was that the regulations allowed for the personal creation of firearms, without paperwork or serial numbers, if they they were not to be sold.  This is what the artist in the story did and then traded for cash at a gun buyback.

Thank you for not including a "J".  ;-)

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From: Pat McCarthy <pmccarthy@humana.com>
To: "lvl1@googlegroups.com" <lvl1@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 12:42 PM
Subject: RE: {LVL1} Don't do this on our Replicator...

NFA

SBR

zip gun

 

What ARE these arcane Runes of which you speak?

 

Patrick McCarthy

 

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From: lvl1@googlegroups.com [mailto:lvl1@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raj
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 12:40 PM
To: lvl1@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: {LVL1} Don't do this on our Replicator...

 

Agreed, the CAD files are a non-issue.  But building a zip gun is an NFA item?  I thought that as long as you didn't sell it, and the item itself wasn't restricted (like an SBR) you could build whatever you wanted for for personal use without any paperwork or serial numbers.  There was an artist a while back who realized that NYC paid top dollar in gun buybacks, so he made a whole bunch of artsy zip guns and turned them in for profit.  http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/06/15/artsy-zip-guns/

 

 

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From: Tim Miller <timmillertech@gmail.com>
To: lvl1@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: {LVL1} Don't do this on our Replicator...

 

the lower was from last year the pistols are from last month, the "organization" is new though that is where they might run into problems. That and potentially building a zip gun which is a NFA item.

On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 5:43 PM, <crei...@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:

First, I was mostly joking; but how is this old news?  This isn't about
the lower receiver thing from last month.  This is a project dedicated to
producing a file that can print out a complete firearm, smoothbore barrel
and all.  Only metal parts being a nail for a firing pin & the bullet
itself.

> perfectly legal and old news. If someone has a problem with it, its their
> problem let them deal with it.
>
> On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 5:21 PM, <crei...@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
>
>> ...at least not while anyone is around.
>>

>> http://defensedistributed.com//
>>
>> Just sayin'
>>
>> Creighton
>>
>>
>

 

 

[crei...@sdf.lonestar.org]

> My understanding was that the regulations allowed for the personal
> creation of firearms, without paperwork or serial numbers, if they they
> were not to be sold.� This is what the artist in the story did and then
> traded for cash at a gun buyback.
>

Did the artist's guns work, or were they just art? Sorry, but you can't
even make one for yourself without a Federal Firearms License. If you are
caught with it, the consequences are harsh. This dispite the fact that
they are particularly easy to make.

[Pat McCarthy]

I get it... for all but the actual Barrel. From my 12.43 seconds of internet searching, I am seeing internal pressures WAY in excess of what our little lego-ABS material can take...
Lacking the actual data from the referenced site, HOW is the barrel getting constructed?

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[Sean McPherson]

That's correct. To manufacture a firearm from a non-previously-serialed receiver or bare materials, you need to be an FFL Type 7 at a minimum assuming it met all other NFA requirements, regardless of the intent to distribute. In fact, lots of dealers get in trouble for having a Dealers Type 01 and buying frames and such, putting them together with sights and other normal parts, and then reselling them. Since they did all this with the intent to sell, and the guns weren't assembled when purchased, it falls under a Type 7. Now, if you buy parts including a serial numbered received from a dealer and assemble them for personal use, neither type is needed. Replicator production is manufacturing.Type 7 runs $150 or so for 3 years, last I checked. As soon as you start doing things that're NFA controlled, you go from FFL Type 7 to Class 2 SOT, which runs $1000/year with a possible reduction to $500/year is manufacture counts stay super low.

 

There's a second issue, in regards to ITAR, which is State Dept and not ATF. From working w/ folks who do this daily, due to modern 'readings' of the regs, all type 7 manufacturing theoretically requires the minimum $2500/year State Dept tax due to ITAR (not ATF), but luckily if you make under 50 a year you don't have to pay the *additional* excise taxes on top of that. I will say that the ATF hasn't latelky stuck their hands into the ITAR issues and I have no IDEA how people deal with that on top of ATF regs.

*I AM NOT A LAWYER. CONSIDER ALL OF THIS A BEST GUESS. DO NOT ACT BASED ON THIS INFORMATION*

 

I seldom say crap like that but this topic *requires* lawyerese be involved, as the rules are all intertwined and ugly.

 

Sean

[Raj]

The artist's guns were fully functional.  I looked up the issue and confirmed what I thought.  It is perfectly legal to make your own gun for personal use without a federal license, although the state laws may vary.  It's covered by 18 USC Chapter 44, which you can read here: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-44 

Conveniently, the ATF covers this question in their FAQ:  http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearms-technology.html

The relevant portion is: "For your information, per provisions of the Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968, 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, an unlicensed individual may make a “firearm” as defined in the GCA for his own personal use, but not for sale or distribution.

The GCA, 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3), defines the term “firearm” to include the following:

… (A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may be readily converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive: (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon; (C) any firearm muffler or silencer; or (D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm."

The emphasis and italics are theirs.

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From: "creighto@sdf.lonestar.org" <creighto@sdf.lonestar.org>
To: lvl1@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 1:51 PM

Subject: Re: {LVL1} Don't do this on our Replicator...

[Sean McPherson]

Raj,

 

The Q that's from is "Q: Is it legal to assemble a firearm from commercially available parts kits that can be purchased via internet or shotgun news?"

That FAQ page doesn't address issues w/ required serialization, and in truth is in regards to manufacture or assembly from pre-existing parts.

 

Sean

[Pat McCarthy]

Waaaait a sec… that makes no sense…

That looks like it is OK to make my own silencer? (No, NOT a potato-on-a-ruger)

 

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From: lv...@googlegroups.com [mailto:lv...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Raj
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 2:12 PM
To: lv...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: {LVL1} Don't do this on our Replicator...

 

The artist's guns were fully functional.  I looked up the issue and confirmed what I thought.  It is perfectly legal to make your own gun for personal use without a federal license, although the state laws may vary.  It's covered by 18 USC Chapter 44, which you can read here: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-44 

 

Conveniently, the ATF covers this question in their FAQ:  http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearms-technology.html

 

The relevant portion is: "For your information, per provisions of the Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968, 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, an unlicensed individual may make a “firearm” as defined in the GCA for his own personal use, but not for sale or distribution.

The GCA, 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3), defines the term “firearm” to include the following:

… (A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may be readily converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive: (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon; (C) any firearm muffler or silencer; or (D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm."

The emphasis and italics are theirs.

 

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From: "creighto@sdf.lonestar.org" <creighto@sdf.lonestar.org>
To: lvl1@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: {LVL1} Don't do this on our Replicator...

> My understanding was that the regulations allowed for the personal
> creation of firearms, without paperwork or serial numbers, if they they
> were not to be sold.� This is what the artist in the story did and then
> traded for cash at a gun buyback.
>

Did the artist's guns work, or were they just art?  Sorry, but you can't
even make one for yourself without a Federal Firearms License.  If you are
caught with it, the consequences are harsh.  This dispite the fact that
they are particularly easy to make.

The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed
and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error,
please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information.

[crei...@sdf.lonestar.org]

> I get it... for all but the actual Barrel. From my 12.43 seconds of
> internet searching, I am seeing internal pressures WAY in excess of what
> our little lego-ABS material can take...
> Lacking the actual data from the referenced site, HOW is the barrel
> getting constructed?
>

Well, these guys have gotten a bit of education about the chamber
pressures involved in a 22LR round. I'm personally one of several people
to suggest a change to a reduced recoil 12 gauge round, as a normal 12
gauge round peaks around 8K PSI compared to a 22LR's 25K PSI. The
difference is mostly attributed to the diameter of the chamber. Also,
there isn't really going to be much of a barrel, as accuracy is not
realisticly possible. This is the equivilant of a 'Liberator'
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FP-45_Liberator) or a 'nose-gun' just to
make a point, not to make a practical defensive weapon.

I'd also be a single use weapon, so once fired the chamber & whatever
barrel is present is destroyed. Maybe it could be melted back down into a
filimant, maybe not. If this isn't possible, a short section of 3/4 inch
EMT conduit added to it to function as the chamber & barrel, with a casing
of ABS plastic for additional expansion resistance, would do the trick.

[Sean McPherson]

Here's the issue:

 

If you manufacture a single firearm from raw stock, the problem historically has been that the government wants you to prove the improvable: that you never intend to sell it or transfer it, etc. The laws as written  made it possible to do so, but the ATF even took down their documents on how to do it, once there were several cases in which people lost in court. Yes, it's crazy. Yes, it's the problem w/ the interwoven laws, statutes, policies, etc.

 

Sean

[Raj]

Yeah, the Q got cut off from what I pasted.  It seems they were trying to answer the question of whether it's okay to buy a bunch of existing, commercially-available parts and assemble your own gun.  But since the lower receiver is the gun itself, I took it to mean that it was okay to buy the parts necessary to create a lower receiver, thereby creating your own firearm, and not buying a pre-made lower receiver.  It didn't help that in their answer they used the word "make" and not "assemble".

There are several companies that sell partially-completed lower receivers, like this one: http://www.tacticalmachining.com/80-lower-receiver.html In their FAQ, they state that they have a determination letter from the ATF noting that this was not considered a firearm.  I took the ATF's FAQ section to mean that someone could order this, finish machining it, add everything else necessary and build their own firearm without an FFL or SOT license.

For something that carries such harsh penalties, it amazes me that there is such a large hobbyist community that makes their own firearms.  Thanks for your input, Sean.  It was quite enlightening. 

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From: Sean McPherson <seanmcp@gmail.com>
To: lvl1@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 2:22 PM

Subject: Re: {LVL1} Don't do this on our Replicator...

Here's the issue:

 

If you manufacture a single firearm from raw stock, the problem historically has been that the government wants you to prove the improvable: that you never intend to sell it or transfer it, etc. The laws as written  made it possible to do so, but the ATF even took down their documents on how to do it, once there were several cases in which people lost in court. Yes, it's crazy. Yes, it's the problem w/ the interwoven laws, statutes, policies, etc.

 

Sean

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Sean McPherson <sea...@gmail.com> wrote:

Raj,

 

The Q that's from is "Q: Is it legal to assemble a firearm from commercially available parts kits that can be purchased via internet or shotgun news?"

That FAQ page doesn't address issues w/ required serialization, and in truth is in regards to manufacture or assembly from pre-existing parts.

 

Sean

On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Raj <rgsh...@yahoo.com> wrote:

The artist's guns were fully functional.  I looked up the issue and confirmed what I thought.  It is perfectly legal to make your own gun for personal use without a federal license, although the state laws may vary.  It's covered by 18 USC Chapter 44, which you can read here: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/part-I/chapter-44 

Conveniently, the ATF covers this question in their FAQ:  http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearms-technology.html

The relevant portion is: "For your information, per provisions of the Gun Control Act ( GCA) of 1968, 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, an unlicensed individual may make a “firearm” as defined in the  GCA for his own personal use, but not for sale or distribution.

The  GCA , 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3), defines the term “firearm” to include the following:

[Tim Miller]

To answer Pat, yes you can make and NFA item (supressor) but you have to get your form 4 sign off both local and federal and pay your $200 tax before you make your first tool mark on the material. This can get complicated depending on your local sheriff but that is where firearms trust entities come in.

[Christopher Cprek]

FYI, a new 1KG spool of Slate Grey ABS is loaded in the Replicator.
Delivery of the White ABS should be either tomorrow or Monday.

Chris

[Christopher Cprek]

New spool of white abs is now available as well.