Ankit Fadia visiting MNIT on the 9th of December

[Lalith Suresh]

Hey all,

As the title suggests, Ankit Fadia is visiting my campus for a talk on the 9th of December. Unfortunately, I have a flight from Delhi exactly at the same time as his talk. Always wanted to take that guy on head-to-head. Anyways, I've done my job by pointing students to these links:

http://attrition.org/errata/charlatan.html#fadia
http://attrition.org/errata/charlatan/fadia/fadia3.html

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Thanks and regards,
Lalith Suresh
Department of Computer Engineering
Malaviya National Institute of Technology, Jaipur
+91-9982190365 , lalithsuresh.wordpress.com

[Lalith Suresh]

Hey everyone,

I just got an update. Thing is, non-MNITians are allowed to attend this as well. So if any of you want to do take Fadia on face-to-face, by all means, please do drop by. Please do turn up!

[Lalith Suresh]

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 1:51 PM, Lalith Suresh <suresh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hey everyone,

I just got an update. Thing is, non-MNITians are allowed to attend this as well. So if any of you want to do take Fadia on face-to-face, by all means, please do drop by. Please do turn up!

Hey all,

How silly of me to not mention the timing. It's at 2PM on the 9th of December in MNIT (in hall LT-1). I'll be talking with the organizers again and I'll send a final confirmation by tomorrow. Stay tuned! :)

[anirudh singh shekhawat]

I just got an update. Thing is, non-MNITians are allowed to attend this as well. So if any of you want to do take Fadia on face-to-face, by all means, please do drop by. Please do turn up!

Hey all,

How silly of me to not mention the timing. It's at 2PM on the 9th of December in MNIT (in hall LT-1). I'll be talking with the organizers again and I'll send a final confirmation by tomorrow. Stay tuned! :)

Looking forward to it.

regards
Ace'

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[steve]

On 12/08/2009 04:02 PM, anirudh singh shekhawat wrote:
>
> I just got an update. Thing is, non-MNITians are allowed to
> attend this as well. So if any of you want to do take Fadia on
> face-to-face, by all means, please do drop by. Please do turn up!
>
> Hey all,
>
> How silly of me to not mention the timing. It's at 2PM on the 9th of
> December in MNIT (in hall LT-1). I'll be talking with the organizers
> again and I'll send a final confirmation by tomorrow. Stay tuned! :)
>
>
> Looking forward to it.
>

Like i mentioned to n9986 on IRC, the talk should be good for pure entertainment
value too. If you aren't the confrontational type and just want to have a good
laugh, you should bring along some pop-corn. I imagine the experience should be
similar to :

http://www.ankurb.info/2007/12/05/ankit-fadia-certified-ethical-idiot/

enjoy maadi !
- steve

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[Shakthi Kannan]

Hi,

--- On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:20 PM, steve <st...@lonetwin.net> wrote:
| I imagine the experience should be
| similar to :
|
| http://www.ankurb.info/2007/12/05/ankit-fadia-certified-ethical-idiot/

\--

Or this one?
http://tutorial.web4all.in/archives/fsf-tn/2006-April/000293.html

SK

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[steve]

On 12/08/2009 04:27 PM, Shakthi Kannan wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> --- On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:20 PM, steve<st...@lonetwin.net> wrote:
> | I imagine the experience should be
> | similar to :
> |
> | http://www.ankurb.info/2007/12/05/ankit-fadia-certified-ethical-idiot/
> \--
>
> Or this one?
> http://tutorial.web4all.in/archives/fsf-tn/2006-April/000293.html
>

Coincidentally:
http://www.mid-day.com/news/2009/dec/081209-ankit-fadia-hacker-hacked.htm
http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/ankit-fadia-website-hacked-complete-story/

Of course, like the last time around, he is blaming the server admins.

cheers,

[atul jha]

Guys,

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:36 PM, steve <st...@lonetwin.net> wrote:

On 12/08/2009 04:27 PM, Shakthi Kannan wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> --- On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:20 PM, steve<st...@lonetwin.net>  wrote:
> | I imagine the experience should be
> | similar to :
> |
> | http://www.ankurb.info/2007/12/05/ankit-fadia-certified-ethical-idiot/
> \--
>
> Or this one?
> http://tutorial.web4all.in/archives/fsf-tn/2006-April/000293.html
>

Coincidentally:
http://www.mid-day.com/news/2009/dec/081209-ankit-fadia-hacker-hacked.htm
http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/ankit-fadia-website-hacked-complete-story/

Of course, like the last time around, he is blaming the server admins.

LOLZ.

I wonder how much MNIT has paid the "Ethical Hacker" for this show.

@lalitsuresh.It be cool if by any chance you get that for us man. :D

 

cheers,

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cheers!!


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[anirudh singh shekhawat]

Hi,

> | similar to :
> |
> | http://www.ankurb.info/2007/12/05/ankit-fadia-certified-ethical-idiot/
> \--
>
> Or this one?
> http://tutorial.web4all.in/archives/fsf-tn/2006-April/000293.html
>

Coincidentally:
http://www.mid-day.com/news/2009/dec/081209-ankit-fadia-hacker-hacked.htm
http://blog.taragana.com/index.php/archive/ankit-fadia-website-hacked-complete-story/

Of course, like the last time around, he is blaming the server admins.

And one thing is common in the write-ups of guys who have actually listened to him as audience, those articles are really long, they cant stop hating him.

Ace'

[narendra sisodiya]

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:27 PM, Shakthi Kannan <shakt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> --- On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 4:20 PM, steve <st...@lonetwin.net> wrote:
> | I imagine the experience should be
> | similar to :
> |
> | http://www.ankurb.info/2007/12/05/ankit-fadia-certified-ethical-idiot/
> \--
>
> Or this one?
> http://tutorial.web4all.in/archives/fsf-tn/2006-April/000293.html

Good link.

[Lalith Suresh]

Hey people,

Guys guys, PLEASE go there and own that guy! I came to know later that the guy who invited Fadia over is one of the Microsoft Student Partners from MNIT. LOL! :P

[Nandeep Mali]

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Lalith Suresh <suresh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey people,
>
> Guys guys, PLEASE go there and own that guy! I came to know later that the
> guy who invited Fadia over is one of the Microsoft Student Partners from
> MNIT. LOL! :P

Oh boy! Who is it exactly? And is he (Ankit) getting paid for this trip? :P

@mbuf and lonetwin:
Very entertaining links! :)

Regards
Nandeep

[Jai Pandya]

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 1:14 PM, Lalith Suresh <suresh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey people,
>
> Guys guys, PLEASE go there and own that guy! I came to know later that the
> guy who invited Fadia over is one of the Microsoft Student Partners from
> MNIT. LOL! :P
>

Ah! I missed it. I wanted to attend it but couldn't get free from the
college on time. But I would certainly like to know what happened
there. I hope your batchmates took good care of him :P

-Jai

[Saurabh Pareek]

i attended that

and what to say

more interesting and learning than thought

yes a real giant of knowlwdge and also attractive way of explaining

also amm funny way to link students easily..

saurabh pareek

poornima college of engg

jaipur
hello india!!!!!!!!
east or west india is best

2009/12/9 Jai Pandya <jaip...@gmail.com>

[anirudh singh shekhawat]

Hi

i attended that

and what to say

more interesting and learning than thought

yes a real giant of knowlwdge and also attractive way of explaining

also amm funny way to link students easily..

would you care to go a bit into details and enlighten us too with the wit Mr. Ankit fadia, the great ethical hacker, enlightened your mind.
And it also makes me wonder, why havent i seen you in any of the lugj meetings even though you are subscribed to the group and know when the meetings happen, I'm sure you could have learned a lot more than what you have today from an "ethical hacker" even that term makes me laugh, dont you get it?

[steve]

Hi Saurabh,

On 12/09/2009 10:15 PM, Saurabh Pareek wrote:
> i attended that
>
> and what to say
> more interesting and learning than thought
>
> yes a real giant of knowlwdge and also attractive way of explaining
>
> also amm funny way to link students easily..
>

Just a few things that i thought I should mention for your benefit and for
others too who do not understand why this thread was basically bashing Ankit Fadia.

a. It's good to know that you learned something, however I doubt that anything
Ankit spoke about has any real world value unless you use it as a starting point
to learn the true meaning of hacking.So, if you learned something new then build
on top of it because there is so much more to learn than anything that a con man
like Ankit can teach.

b. If you think Ankit is a giant of knowledge, you have set your standards too
low. Learn and explore on your own and you'll soon realize it doesn't take much
effort to match and even surpass that level of 'giant knowledge'. I am sure
anyone with a net connection can match Ankit's skill level within a week of
learning if they really wanted to. So, choose wisely who you want to idolize.

c. Being funny and entertaining does not compensate for the fact that Ankit
distorts the meaning of hacking, uses nonsensical terms like 'ethical hacking'
to describe the basic level (and dated) cracking techniques and misleads people
into thinking that he is some sort of a wizard of dark arts which they too can
become by attending his course. By doing these things he does not only make a
fool of himself in the eyes of real hackers but also confuses gullible people
who then follow in the same path.

So, do not be gullible and taken advantage of by the charm and wit of frauds
like Fadia. If you do, that 'ethical hacker' certificate which you get will only
be seen as a piece of paper certificating that you are a gullible idiot in the
eyes of people who know what Ankit does.

HTH,
cheers,

[शिशिर शर्मा [ Shishir Sharma ]]

> hello india!!!!!!!!
Hello, so lots of energy I appreciate.

> east or west india is best

East or West India is India, best is relative. ;)

[atul jha]

2009/12/10 शिशिर शर्मा [ Shishir Sharma ] <mail.ma...@gmail.com>

What does that mean?

[शिशिर शर्मा [ Shishir Sharma ]]

> What does that mean?
India is best.

Apologies for going off topic

[atul jha]

2009/12/10 शिशिर शर्मा [ Shishir Sharma ] <mail.ma...@gmail.com>

> What does that mean?
India is best.

Apologies for going off topic

:D

cheers!!

[TechnoBrat]

Hey Guys!!

Looks like you people are having fun out there. Damn, why I've to miss
all this stuff.
Would have been great scene when the LUG-J guys taking Ankit head-on.

Way to go guys. When are we gonna have a meet next ??

Cheerzz

TechnoBrat

[anirudh singh shekhawat]

Way to go guys. When are we gonna have a meet next ??

when do you suggest?

Ace' 

[Saurabh Pareek]

ya surely ace

actually i am eager to meet u people asap 

even i say plz try to arrange a meet so that i can discuss what i want to from last 2 months

and i m in contact to lalith but wasnt able to attendd any meet 

or to be precise havnt read mails so not got info due to certain circumstances/

i apologize for that/

yes talking abt ankit fadia

a 24 yr old what i can say a teacher+ a guide

inspiring person

he has sound knowledge of this field as per me

and his way oh

""" good to see better to discuss and best to adopt"""

 thats how i can describe him
basically he discussed ip adddress wan and these in starting

how to find our locations and others

what the cyber crime is

how easy is to do a perfect cyber crime

using some trozans to control pc

how to make mails from others id

how to easily crack passwords using tools(made by others obviously)

then some proxy servers how to use

how to manage 

cookie management

then what he said

"shameless promotion for relience"

and some live demos

thats it

so ace were'nt u there??y

i thought will be able to meet lugj there surely

??

no probs

plz mail me the no of yrs

mine is 9529005859(oh rubbish relience!!!)

saurabh pareek

poornima college of engg jaipur

2 yr ece 

hello india!!!!!!!!
east or west india is best

2009/12/9 anirudh singh shekhawat <shekhawa...@gmail.com>

[Saurabh Pareek]

hmm nice way

let me make my side clear sir

a}

i wrote giant of knowledge

anybody can be that is known to all but this is not like that other wise all will be same

and there will be no difference

and need not to worry abt my standards sir,actually my sense was the insipiration that i got that how easy it is to be on track of an hacker or being ethical wwwas clear

and u said like him in 7 days..

its showing your dreamy standards sir

may be u r so extraordinary that can learn what a person did in 5-8 years

???

sound s intresting really and i hope if its like that u bill be guru of all like bill gates shashi tharoor in providing short cuts to success @@@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry but i dont agree with u

and

being funny and entertaining matters a lot

i dont know is he a fraud or not

yes if u say a business man a fraud then yes he is simply

this is rule sir..everybody is getting money centered

then if he is going to then y u blaming him

i dont know him nor u but the way matters

it is needed to keep all active atleast i feel for students

as i have seen and stiill feeling

the way of explaining matter and alot

so can i know who r u and how extraordinary u r actually????sir

means u challenged a person and said to be like him in  7 days

like english classes say angrezi seekhyie matra 20 ghanto mai!!!!

saurabh pareek

hello india!!!!!!!!
east or west india is best

2009/12/10 steve <st...@lonetwin.net>

[शिशिर शर्मा [ Shishir Sharma ]]

Fan boy please read http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html before
using term "Hacker" anywhere controversially.

[शिशिर शर्मा [ Shishir Sharma ]]

Come on irc://freenode/lug-jaipur

[Saurabh Pareek]

oh so u r mr. steve fernandes

not expected sir

a knowledgeble person like u making such low class comments

what i heard(great ) of u really feels amm ..........

reallly a surprize 

but sorry 4 wht i wrote but that was by heart and i dont feel sorry for what i wrote 

but

for reason that i havnt read who made that statement>.....

 
hello india!!!!!!!!
east or west india is best

2009/12/10 Saurabh Pareek <saurabhp...@gmail.com>

[steve]

Hi Saurabh,

I just got back to my system and replied to you on IRC before I read the mails.
So, just to set things clear:

a. The mail below is *not* a personal attack. I know and understand that you
wrote what you thought was right and I am sure there might be least a few other
people think who think the same. So, I am addressing all such people.

b. It doesn't make a difference to me what you think of me or about Ankit or
about anything discussed here for that matter. My mails earlier and now is only
to express and opinion and possibly educate.

that said, let me get on with the response ...

On 12/10/2009 10:21 PM, Saurabh Pareek wrote:
> hmm nice way
> let me make my side clear sir
>
> a}
> i wrote giant of knowledge
>
> anybody can be that is known to all but this is not like that other wise
> all will be same
>
> and there will be no difference
>

My "giant of knowledge" comment and the bit about setting your standards too low
was only another way of saying Ankit is not really special. It is not even like
you have to be a dedicated single minded
'sitting-in-your-room-learning-for-24-hours-straight' type of person to match
that level of understanding.

I did not mean to imply that /all/ 'hacking' (even to use ankit's term) is
easily grasped in the matter of a few days.

I meant to say, what you learned at the event (ie: the stuff you wrote in the
reply to acedip's mail) is not the result of years of study and research. Anyone
serious about security learns these things as the basics !

Maybe some links will help you understand that even in the field of cracking and
computer security, there are much better resources to learn than Mr. Fadia:

http://www.hackerhighschool.org/
http://www.hackthissite.org/
http://www.phrack.org/ (seems to be down at the moment)

real world computer security is not some dark glamorous dark art. It is hard
work and you need to have an inclination towards it. Using tools to break known
security vulnerability that somebody else made is easy. Actually securing your
system or from the other side trying to break well secured systems is a totally
different matter. I suggest that you subscribe for a few days to the bugtraq
mailing list at:

http://www.securityfocus.com/

...to get a feel of what real world computer security world is like.

Let me offer an example: lock picking is an art, and your local key maker in the
market can certainly open most common locks and build keys from them but if you
think he is a 'giant of knowledge' in the business of creating locks, you are
totally mistaken. Get the parallel ?

Now, speaking of Mr. Fadia I don't know if you read the other links sent in this
thread, but I'll just paste it here for convenience sake:

http://www.ankurb.info/2007/12/05/ankit-fadia-certified-ethical-idiot/
http://tutorial.web4all.in/archives/fsf-tn/2006-April/000293.html

To understand why, we as Indians should *not* be 'proud' of people like Ankit read:

http://attrition.org/errata/charlatan.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ankit_Fadia#Controversy
http://itsallpartoftheplan.wordpress.com/2009/09/26/demolishing-ankit-fadia-v-0-01/

Like i said, choose your idols wisely.

If you are interested in computer security, besides learning from the links
above, joining this group would be more beneficial than any 'ethical hacking'
course:

http://null.co.in/

All that said, if you want to learn more about what hacker/cracker culture see:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5464925144369700635
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7707585592627775409
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-349822824541574597

also read the link Shishir pointed out.

If you want to get a feel of what the 'underground' cracking scene is (or rather
was) like read:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~suelette/underground/justin/contents.html

Now, coming to the age bit, if you think at age Ankit is some sort of genius at
age 24 although he doesn't have even a *single* line of code publicly available,
how does he compare to:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mwKq7_JlS8

HTH
cheers,
- steve

PS: Just in passing, you questioned my credentials to speak in such a manner
about this guy you are so obviously impressed by. Well, do I really need to have
any ? Why is it that you want to judge the value of an opinion not so much on
the /facts/ expressed but on /who/ is expressing it ? chew on that for a while.

[Saurabh Pareek]

yes sir (steve) i agree

my intentions were right but way of presentation was totally wrong

i read a few links and will surely cover them asap

and yes what he told there were just like games and fun  if not understood/

saurabh pareek

hello india!!!!!!!!
east or west india is best

2009/12/11 steve <st...@lonetwin.net>

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[Jai Pandya]

On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:06 AM, steve <st...@lonetwin.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Saurabh,
>
[snip]
>
> HTH
> cheers,
> - steve

That was a print quality post. Awesome. :)

-Jai

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[Lalith Suresh]

Hey,

On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 2:06 AM, steve <st...@lonetwin.net> wrote:

Hi Saurabh,
...
[snip]
...

HTH
cheers,
- steve

PS: Just in passing, you questioned my credentials to speak in such a manner
about this guy you are so obviously impressed by. Well, do I really need to have
any ? Why is it that you want to judge the value of an opinion not so much on
the /facts/ expressed but on /who/ is expressing it ? chew on that for a while.

Talk about getting pwnd! :P