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Subject: RE: Adding tags from another ontology
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I think the inter-framework relationship stuff is what Jim is pointing to.
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From: lrmi@googlegroups.com [mailto:lrmi@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Brandt Redd
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 2:45 PM
To: lrmi@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Adding tags from another ontology
Good point! I agree with your description of the problem.
I've been thinking about how to use the Learning Registry for this sort of
thing. You could post records that say something like "ABC is equivalent to
XYZ" where ABC and XYZ are URLs. Other relationships might be "is a superset
of" and "is a subset of". The latter two relationships would be valuable for
the GIM-CCSS project. By using the Learning Registry, the data would be
available to all vendors -- either to support automatic retagging or
on-the-fly translation.
Of course, someone would have to define the schema for these records as the
Learning Registry only manages the transport. I believe that the ASN folks
are planning to do something like this.
Thanks,
Brandt
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Joshua Marks <jma...@curriki.org> wrote:
Brandt,
I certainly share your concern. However that does not mitigate the fact that
there are already multiple data look-up representations for the common core
that exist, and are being used by different groups and orgs. To complicate
this further, granular decomposition of the lowest level skills in the
common core seems to be needed and re-sequencing and organization is in play
as well at the state level and within the assessment consortia. But you
would have better visibility to this then I. This is why the GIM-CCSS
initiative is so important, to avoid the potential fragmentation of the
core. None the less, I see no way around the fact that there will be
multiple data sources for the CommonCore standard used by system vendors and
publishers right now. They ALL should provide and reference the canonical
(unique) URI from the CCSSO or some GIM-CCSS related service if one is
defined. How this will express the further granular decomposition and
alignment is completely unknown at this time and the goal of the GIM-CCSS
initiative as I see it.
Joshua Marks
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From: lrmi@googlegroups.com [mailto:lrmi@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Brandt Redd
Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 1:17 PM
To: lrmi@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Adding tags from another ontology
This thread is moving faster than I am :-) so sorry for responding to an
earlier message.
I'm concerned about Joshua's use case where different URLs (CoreStandards,
ASN, AcademicBenchmarks) are used to refer to the same standard and the fact
that they are the same is indicated through educationalFramework (or
educationalAuthority). We went to a lot of work to generate official IDs so
that it's the URL that disambiguates, not a combination of other properties.
That's why the ASN is in the process of augmenting their lookup so that the
published CCSS URLs can be used to look things up on their service (they'll
support the dot notation and GUID as well). I don't know what Academic
Benchmarks is doing.
The point is that while this is a URL that you can enter into your browser,
it's also a URI -- a unique identifier, and you can use it to look up the
data on other services as well. And it's intended to be THE unambiguous,
common ID.
Unambiguous, unique identifiers should be the responsibility of the standard
publisher (Educational Framework using LRMI vocabulary). It gets really
complicated if we try to solve this problem within LRMI and any "solution"
is guaranteed to be messy.
-Brandt
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Joshua Marks <jma...@curriki.org> wrote:
Stuart,
I think we are in agreement, _somewhat_. The educationaAuthority for the
framework should be CCSSO/NGA Center for the CCSS framework, regardless of
the URL provider for that framework. Jurisdiction might be an more
descriptive name then educationalAuthority. Or perhaps even more accurate
for this use is something like frameworkAuthority or frameworkPublisher as
an Organization. CCSSO does not really fit your definition of jurisdiction,
does it? The adopters of the standard are the jurisdiction, which are the
states and districts applying the CCSS. Hmmm.
Joshua Marks
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From: lrmi@googlegroups.com [mailto:lrmi@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Stuart Sutton
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:59 AM
To: lrmi@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Adding tags from another ontology
On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Joshua Marks <jma...@curriki.org> wrote:
This is where the proposed educationalAuthority as an organization entity ->
http://schema.org/Organization is still needed in the spec as an attribute
of the educaitonalAlignment or perhaps the educaitonalFramework. I had
thought you added it. This would add CCSSO/NGA center to the alignment and
together the TargetName/GUID is sufficient to match the aligned skill even
if the TargetURL is not from the CCSSO but rat the equivalent URL form AB
(http://www.academicbenchmarks.org/search/?standard_id=20962
<http://www.academicbenchmarks.org/search/?standard_id=20962&topic_id=222502
2> &topic_id=2225022) , ASN (http://asn.jesandco.org/resources/S1143480) or
any other look-up reference hosted by some system for the Common Core.
Joshua, I may be misinterpreting what you are saying, so correct me if I am.
I disagree somewhat with how you have framed this. While I certainly agree
that educational-authority-as-organization would be good and useful
information to have available, I'd assert that the "authority" in both cases
you note would be CCSSO. The "authority" for the content of a JES&Co. data
representation of a CCSSO assertion is not JES&Co. In the ASN, this notion
of organizational authority is what is call the "jurisdiction" or
"jurisdictional authority" defined as "A legal, quasi-legal, organizational
or institutional domain of the entity mandating the use of the achievement
standard within a given context--e.g., California, Singapore, NCTM." CCSSO
is the one who has jurisdictional authority--it is the one who authored the
content of the node and exercises authority over that content. In this
regard, I would say that organizations such as JES&Co., Academic Benchmarks
and EdGate are data intermediaries that neither exercise nor assert
"authority" with regard to the CCSSO-authored content of the data they
mediate. I would even go so far as to assert that CCSSO is the final
authority as to whether the JES&Co. representation is an accurate
representation of its creation.
Now, if you want to know who the data mediator is (as opposed to promulgator
:-) that is bringing that node of CCSSO data to you or your system, that's a
different matter. But it is not a matter of "educational authority"...I
would not think.
Stuart
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</b>Brandt Redd<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 19, 2012 2:45 =
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tags from another ontology<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>Good point! =
I agree with your description of the problem.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal>I've been thinking about how to use the Learning =
Registry for this sort of thing. You could post records that say =
something like "ABC is equivalent to XYZ" where ABC and XYZ =
are URLs. Other relationships might be "is a superset of" and =
"is a subset of". The latter two relationships would be =
valuable for the GIM-CCSS project. By using the Learning Registry, the =
data would be available to all vendors -- either to support automatic =
retagging or on-the-fly translation.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Of course, someone would have to define the schema for =
these records as the Learning Registry only manages the transport. I =
believe that the ASN folks are planning to do something like =
this.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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D'>I certainly share your concern. However that does not mitigate the =
fact that there are already multiple data look-up representations for =
the common core that exist, and are being used by different groups and =
orgs. To complicate this further, granular decomposition of the lowest =
level skills in the common core seems to be needed and re-sequencing and =
organization is in play as well at the state level and within the =
assessment consortia. But you would have better visibility to this then =
I. This is why the GIM-CCSS initiative is so important, to avoid the =
potential fragmentation of the core. None the less, I see no way around =
the fact that there will be multiple data sources for the CommonCore =
standard used by system vendors and publishers right now. They ALL =
should provide and reference the canonical (unique) URI from the CCSSO =
or some GIM-CCSS related service if one is defined. How this will =
express the further granular decomposition and alignment is completely =
unknown at this time and the goal of the GIM-CCSS initiative as I see =
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<a href=3D"mailto:lrmi@googlegroups.com" =
target=3D"_blank">lrmi@googlegroups.com</a> [mailto:<a =
href=3D"mailto:lrmi@googlegroups.com" =
target=3D"_blank">lrmi@googlegroups.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brandt =
Redd<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 19, 2012 1:17 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:lrmi@googlegroups.com" =
target=3D"_blank">lrmi@googlegroups.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
Adding tags from another ontology</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>This thread =
is moving faster than I am :-) so sorry for responding to an earlier =
message.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I'm =
concerned about Joshua's use case where different URLs (CoreStandards, =
ASN, AcademicBenchmarks) are used to refer to the same standard and the =
fact that they are the same is indicated through educationalFramework =
(or educationalAuthority). We went to a lot of work to generate official =
IDs so that it's the URL that disambiguates, not a combination of other =
properties. That's why the ASN is in the process of augmenting their =
lookup so that the published CCSS URLs can be used to look things up on =
their service (they'll support the dot notation and GUID as well). I =
don't know what Academic Benchmarks is =
doing.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The point =
is that while this is a URL that you can enter into your browser, it's =
also a URI -- a unique identifier, and you can use it to look up the =
data on other services as well. And it's intended to be THE unambiguous, =
common ID.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Unambiguous,=
unique identifiers should be the responsibility of the standard =
publisher (Educational Framework using LRMI vocabulary). It gets really =
complicated if we try to solve this problem within LRMI and any =
"solution" is guaranteed to be =
messy.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-Brandt<o:p>=
</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Thu, Oct =
18, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Joshua Marks <<a =
href=3D"mailto:jma...@curriki.org" =
target=3D"_blank">jma...@curriki.org</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Stuart,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I think we are in agreement, _<i>somewhat</i>_. The =
educationaAuthority for the framework should be CCSSO/NGA Center for the =
CCSS framework, regardless of the URL provider for that framework. =
Jurisdiction might be an more descriptive name then =
educationalAuthority. Or perhaps even more accurate for this use is =
something like frameworkAuthority or frameworkPublisher as an =
Organization. CCSSO does not really fit your definition of jurisdiction, =
does it? The adopters of the standard are the jurisdiction, which are =
the states and districts applying the CCSS. Hmmm. =
</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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Joshua Marks</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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CTO</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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target=3D"_blank">lrmi@googlegroups.com</a> [mailto:<a =
href=3D"mailto:lrmi@googlegroups.com" =
target=3D"_blank">lrmi@googlegroups.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stuart =
Sutton<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:59 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
<a href=3D"mailto:lrmi@googlegroups.com" =
target=3D"_blank">lrmi@googlegroups.com</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: =
Adding tags from another ontology</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p><=
/o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Thu, Oct =
18, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Joshua Marks <<a =
href=3D"mailto:jma...@curriki.org" =
target=3D"_blank">jma...@curriki.org</a>> =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><blockquote =
style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5=
.0pt'><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>This is where the proposed =
educationalAuthority as an organization entity -> </span><a =
href=3D"http://schema.org/Organization" =
target=3D"_blank">http://schema.org/Organization</a> <span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>is still needed in the spec as =
an attribute of the educaitonalAlignment or perhaps the =
educaitonalFramework. I had thought you added it. This would add =
CCSSO/NGA center to the alignment and together the TargetName/GUID is =
sufficient to match the aligned skill even if the TargetURL is not from =
the CCSSO but rat the equivalent URL form AB (</span><a =
href=3D"http://www.academicbenchmarks.org/search/?standard_id=3D20962&=
;topic_id=3D2225022" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.academicbenchmarks.org/search/?standard_id=3D=
20962&topic_id=3D2225022</a>) , <span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>ASN (<a href=3D"http://asn.jesandco.org/resources/S1143480" =
target=3D"_blank" =
title=3D"http://asn.jesandco.org/resources/S1143480">http://asn.jesandco.=
org/resources/S1143480</a>) </span><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>or any other look-up reference =
hosted by some system for the Common Core. =
</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br>Joshua, =
I may be misinterpreting what you are saying, so correct me if I =
am. I disagree <u>somewhat</u> with how you have framed =
this. While I certainly agree that =
educational-authority-as-organization would be good and useful =
information to have available, I'd assert that the "authority" =
in both cases you note would be CCSSO. The "authority" =
for the <u>content</u> of a JES&Co. data representation of a CCSSO =
assertion is not JES&Co. In the ASN, this notion of =
organizational authority is what is call the "jurisdiction" or =
"jurisdictional authority" defined as "A legal, =
quasi-legal, organizational or institutional domain of the entity =
mandating the use of the achievement standard within a given =
context--e.g., California, Singapore, NCTM." CCSSO is the one =
who has jurisdictional authority--it is the one who authored the content =
of the node and exercises authority over that content. In this =
regard, I would say that organizations such as JES&Co., Academic =
Benchmarks and EdGate are data intermediaries that neither exercise nor =
assert "authority" with regard to the CCSSO-authored content =
of the data they mediate. I would even go so far as to assert that =
CCSSO is the final authority as to whether the JES&Co. =
representation is an accurate representation of its =
creation. <br><br>Now, if you want to know who the data =
mediator is (as opposed to promulgator :-) that is bringing that node of =
CCSSO data to you or your system, that's a different matter. But =
it is not a matter of "educational authority"...I would not =
think.<br><br>Stuart<br> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
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