This educationLevel vocabulary for the U.S. used by the ASN was developed
as part of a U.S. Department of Education project back in 1996 and has been
used consistently since in a number of projects--e.g., The Gateway for 21st
Century Skills, the ASN, and a slight variant used with the National
Science Digital Library (NSDL) [1]. Sorry, Brandt, but I am afraid I don't
recall the discussions at the level of specific terms. I do recall that
much of the development was done at Syracuse University during a awesome
snow storm.
On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Brandt Redd <bra
...@redd.org> wrote:
> To Steve's question: I included both options partly because I wanted to
> represent the work that went into #1 before I found out about #2 and also
> to see whether there's concern about the ASN branding embedded in the #2
> URLs (do we prefer something simpler and generic).
> Simon's question relates to Steve's comment that perhaps there should be
> an intermedia folder. Using Steve's proposal, the URL for the framework as
> a whole would be "http://usk12.org/EducationLevel". Using my original
> proposal it would have to be just the bare domain "http://usk12.org"
> which I think is a weakness.
> The ASN framework offers some richness which reflects the effort they put
> into this:
> http://purl.org/ASN/scheme/ASNEducationLevel - The whole scheme that
> Simon asked about.
> And for intermediate levels (or collections of levels)
> http://purl.org/ASN/scheme/ASNEducationLevel/GradesPreKto12
> http://purl.org/ASN/scheme/ASNEducationLevel/Postsecondary
> http://purl.org/ASN/scheme/ASNEducationLevel/VocationalTraining
> http://purl.org/ASN/scheme/ASNEducationLevel/LifeLongLearning
> http://purl.org/ASN/scheme/ASNEducationLevel/ElementarySchool
> http://purl.org/ASN/scheme/ASNEducationLevel/HighSchool
> http://purl.org/ASN/scheme/ASNEducationLevel/MiddleSchool
> And the base levels
> http://purl.org/ASN/scheme/ASNEducationLevel/PreK
> http://purl.org/ASN/scheme/ASNEducationLevel/K
> http://purl.org/ASN/scheme/ASNEducationLevel/1
> http://purl.org/ASN/scheme/ASNEducationLevel/2
> http://purl.org/ASN/scheme/ASNEducationLevel/3
> http://purl.org/ASN/scheme/ASNEducationLevel/4
> http://purl.org/ASN/scheme/ASNEducationLevel/5
> http://purl.org/ASN/scheme/ASNEducationLevel/6
> http://purl.org/ASN/scheme/ASNEducationLevel/7
> http://purl.org/ASN/scheme/ASNEducationLevel/8
> http://purl.org/ASN/scheme/ASNEducationLevel/9
> http://purl.org/ASN/scheme/ASNEducationLevel/10
> http://purl.org/ASN/scheme/ASNEducationLevel/11
> http://purl.org/ASN/scheme/ASNEducationLevel/12
> Perhaps Stuart can enlighten us whether they debated the merits of
> "PrimarySchool" and "SecondarySchool" vs. the elementary, middle and high
> school choices they made.
> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Simon Grant <asim...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> In each case, what would be the correct URL for the grade level framework
>> as a whole? There may be several reasons why clarity about this might be
>> helpful.
>> Thanks
>> Simon
>> On 6 November 2012 00:33, Steve Midgley <steve.midg...@mixrun.com> wrote:
>>> Hey Brandt,
>>> I like the idea of having some semi-custom (localized) definitions
>>> rooted someplace on the web as you describe.
>>> My first piece of feedback is that if you go for solution #1, that you
>>> add some folders into your path for target URL to give us some ability to
>>> add more stuff to that domain. Eg:
>>> http://usk12.org/EducationalLevel/Grade5 <http://usk12.org/Grade5>
>>> Or something like that - not sure what folders would be key just
>>> indicating what you're defining in front of the actual key seems helpful..
>>> My feedback on deciding between 1 and 2, would be just "what's wrong
>>> with solution #2?" If ASN already has this stuff defined with a long lived
>>> URL, why wouldn't we all just use that?
>>> Best,
>>> Steve
>>> On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Brandt Redd <bra...@redd.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi All:
>>>> I'm proposing a convention for encoding US grade levels in LRMI. In
>>>> general and in the spirit of Schema.org, I think that we can establish
>>>> conventions for things like this without the need for a formal standards
>>>> process. I'm asserting this one as a test case.
>>>> *Background:*
>>>> An early draft of LRMI had a property for “Grade Level.” It’s a useful
>>>> feature because it’s valuable to indicate the grade level that educational
>>>> content is targeted at. However, LRMI is an international standard and the
>>>> K-12 Grade system is a US convention. Instead, the EducationalAlignment
>>>> property was designated for handling grade levels (along with everything
>>>> else it does). This makes sense because EducationalAlignment is used for
>>>> alignment with any kind of taxonomy. The CCSS is a taxonomy; so are Lexiles
>>>> and other text complexity measures; and so are the 13 levels from
>>>> Kindergarten to 12th grade.
>>>> The trouble is that the LRMI TWG didn’t publish a recommendation on how
>>>> to encode US grade levels into EducationalAlignment and the people
>>>> developing tagging tools have in some cases used TypicalAgeRange as a proxy
>>>> for grade level.
>>>> TypicalAgeRange is intended to capture subject interests and
>>>> appropriateness, not levels of educational attainment. It’s a concept that
>>>> publishers call “Interest Level” and is typically coded as an age. For
>>>> example kindergarteners tend to be attracted to bright colors and simple
>>>> concepts while you need to be in teens or twenties before political debates
>>>> become interesting.
>>>> *Proposal:*
>>>> So, we need a convention for encoding grade level in LRMI. There is a
>>>> lot of wiggle room and no one approach is necessarily better than another –
>>>> what’s important is that everyone uses the same convention. Here’s an
>>>> example convention based on input from the SLC, AEP and Agilix. (Agilix is
>>>> building a tagging tool for the SLC that is being used by the AEP):
>>>> educationalAlignment:
>>>> alignmentType: educationLevel
>>>> educationalFramework: US K-12
>>>> targetName: Grade 5
>>>> targetUrl: http://usk12.org/Grade5
>>>> Under this convention, Kindergarten would have the name “Grade K” and
>>>> the URL “http://usk12.org/GradeK”. The rest are simple to derive from
>>>> the example above.
>>>> *Custodianship:*
>>>> You'll notice the "usk12.org" domain in the proposal. I grabbed that
>>>> domain to ensure it's available. SETDA <http://setda.org/> has agreed
>>>> to be the custodian and I'll hand it off shortly (assuming this convention
>>>> gains a modicum of traction).
>>>> *Alternative:*
>>>> After the SLC, AEP, Agilix and I came up with the above framework I
>>>> learned that the Achievement Standards Network<http://asn.jesandco.org/>has already developed a similar
>>>> taxonomy here<http://standards.jesandco.org/wiki/ASN_Education_Level_Vocabulary>.
>>>> And it's encoded in SKOS format here<http://s3.amazonaws.com/jestatic/purl/scheme/ASNEducationLevel#>
>>>> .
>>>> Under the ASN framework the above example looks like this:
>>>> educationalAlignment:
>>>> alignmentType: educationLevel
>>>> educationalFramework: US K-12
>>>> targetName: Grade 5
>>>> targetUrl: http://purl.org/ASN/scheme/ASNEducationLevel/5
>>>> The URLs are, of course, different.
>>>> ASN doesn't have a value for educationalFramework so I retained the one
>>>> from my original proposal. ASN uses "Kindergarten" instead of "Grade K" and
>>>> they include "Pre-Kindergarten" where my proposal doesn't include that
>>>> level. They also have values for postsecondary education dividing that into
>>>> lower-division, upper-division and graduate levels.
>>>> Please comment!
>>>> -Brandt
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