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Brandt Redd  
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 More options Oct 19 2012, 4:16 pm
From: Brandt Redd <bra...@redd.org>
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:16:56 -0400
Local: Fri, Oct 19 2012 4:16 pm
Subject: Re: Adding tags from another ontology

This thread is moving faster than I am :-) so sorry for responding to an
earlier message.

I'm concerned about Joshua's use case where different URLs (CoreStandards,
ASN, AcademicBenchmarks) are used to refer to the same standard and the
fact that they are the same is indicated through educationalFramework (or
educationalAuthority). We went to a lot of work to generate official IDs so
that it's the URL that disambiguates, not a combination of other
properties. That's why the ASN is in the process of augmenting their lookup
so that the published CCSS URLs can be used to look things up on their
service (they'll support the dot notation and GUID as well). I don't know
what Academic Benchmarks is doing.

The point is that while this is a URL that you can enter into your browser,
it's also a URI -- a unique identifier, and you can use it to look up the
data on other services as well. And it's intended to be THE unambiguous,
common ID.

Unambiguous, unique identifiers should be the responsibility of the
standard publisher (Educational Framework using LRMI vocabulary). It gets
really complicated if we try to solve this problem within LRMI and any
"solution" is guaranteed to be messy.

-Brandt

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Joshua Marks <jma...@curriki.org> wrote:
> Stuart,****

> ** **

> I think we are in agreement, _*somewhat*_.  The educationaAuthority for
> the framework should be CCSSO/NGA Center for the CCSS framework, regardless
> of the URL provider for that framework. Jurisdiction might be an more
> descriptive name then educationalAuthority. Or perhaps even more accurate
> for this use is something like frameworkAuthority or frameworkPublisher as
> an Organization. CCSSO does not really fit your definition of jurisdiction,
> does it? The adopters of the standard are the jurisdiction, which are the
> states and districts applying the CCSS. Hmmm. ****

> ** **

> Joshua Marks****

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> *From:* lrmi@googlegroups.com [mailto:lrmi@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf
> Of *Stuart Sutton
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 18, 2012 11:59 AM
> *To:* lrmi@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: Adding tags from another ontology****

> ** **

> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Joshua Marks <jma...@curriki.org> wrote:
> ****

> This is where the proposed educationalAuthority as an organization entity
> -> http://schema.org/Organization is still needed in the spec as an
> attribute of the educaitonalAlignment or perhaps the educaitonalFramework.
> I had thought you added it. This would add CCSSO/NGA center to the
> alignment and together the TargetName/GUID is sufficient to match the
> aligned skill even if the TargetURL is not from the CCSSO but rat the
> equivalent URL form AB (
> http://www.academicbenchmarks.org/search/?standard_id=20962&topic_id=...)
> , ASN (http://asn.jesandco.org/resources/S1143480) or any other look-up
> reference hosted by some system for the Common Core. ****

> Joshua, I may be misinterpreting what you are saying, so correct me if I
> am.  I disagree *somewhat* with how you have framed this.  While I
> certainly agree that educational-authority-as-organization would be good
> and useful information to have available, I'd assert that the "authority"
> in both cases you note would be CCSSO.  The "authority" for the *content*of a JES&Co. data representation of a CCSSO assertion is not JES&Co.  In
> the ASN, this notion of organizational authority is what is call the
> "jurisdiction" or "jurisdictional authority" defined as "A legal,
> quasi-legal, organizational or institutional domain of the entity mandating
> the use of the achievement standard within a given context--e.g.,
> California, Singapore, NCTM."  CCSSO is the one who has jurisdictional
> authority--it is the one who authored the content of the node and exercises
> authority over that content.  In this regard, I would say that
> organizations such as JES&Co., Academic Benchmarks and EdGate are data
> intermediaries that neither exercise nor assert "authority" with regard to
> the CCSSO-authored content of the data they mediate.  I would even go so
> far as to assert that CCSSO is the final authority as to whether the
> JES&Co. representation is an accurate representation of its creation.

> Now, if you want to know who the data mediator is (as opposed to
> promulgator :-) that is bringing that node of CCSSO data to you or your
> system, that's a different matter.  But it is not a matter of "educational
> authority"...I would not think.

> Stuart
>  ****

> ** **


 
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