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Subject: Re: Adding tags from another ontology
From: Stuart Sutton <stuartasut...@gmail.com>
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On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Joshua Marks <jma...@curriki.org> wrote:
> This is where the proposed educationalAuthority as an organization entity
> -> http://schema.org/Organization is still needed in the spec as an
> attribute of the educaitonalAlignment or perhaps the educaitonalFramework.
> I had thought you added it. This would add CCSSO/NGA center to the
> alignment and together the TargetName/GUID is sufficient to match the
> aligned skill even if the TargetURL is not from the CCSSO but rat the
> equivalent URL form AB (
> http://www.academicbenchmarks.org/search/?standard_id=20962&topic_id=2225022)
> , ASN (http://asn.jesandco.org/resources/S1143480) or any other look-up
> reference hosted by some system for the Common Core.
>
Joshua, I may be misinterpreting what you are saying, so correct me if I
am. I disagree *somewhat* with how you have framed this. While I
certainly agree that educational-authority-as-organization would be good
and useful information to have available, I'd assert that the "authority"
in both cases you note would be CCSSO. The "authority" for the
*content*of a JES&Co. data representation of a CCSSO assertion is not
JES&Co. In
the ASN, this notion of organizational authority is what is call the
"jurisdiction" or "jurisdictional authority" defined as "A legal,
quasi-legal, organizational or institutional domain of the entity mandating
the use of the achievement standard within a given context--e.g.,
California, Singapore, NCTM." CCSSO is the one who has jurisdictional
authority--it is the one who authored the content of the node and exercises
authority over that content. In this regard, I would say that
organizations such as JES&Co., Academic Benchmarks and EdGate are data
intermediaries that neither exercise nor assert "authority" with regard to
the CCSSO-authored content of the data they mediate. I would even go so
far as to assert that CCSSO is the final authority as to whether the
JES&Co. representation is an accurate representation of its creation.
Now, if you want to know who the data mediator is (as opposed to
promulgator :-) that is bringing that node of CCSSO data to you or your
system, that's a different matter. But it is not a matter of "educational
authority"...I would not think.
Stuart
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On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Joshua Marks <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:jma...@curriki.org" target=3D"_blank">jma...@curriki.org</a>>=
;</span> wrote:<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
">
<div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" lang=3D"EN-US"><div><span style=3D"font=
-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#=
1f497d"></span><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color=
:#1f497d">This is where the proposed educationalAuthority as an organizatio=
n entity -> </span><a href=3D"http://schema.org/Organization" target=3D"=
_blank">http://schema.org/Organization</a> <span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
color:#1f497d">is still needed in the spec as an attribute of the educaiton=
alAlignment or perhaps the educaitonalFramework. I had thought you added it=
. This would add CCSSO/NGA center to the alignment and together the TargetN=
ame/GUID is sufficient to match the aligned skill even if the TargetURL is =
not from the CCSSO but rat the equivalent URL form AB (</span><a href=3D"ht=
tp://www.academicbenchmarks.org/search/?standard_id=3D20962&topic_id=3D=
2225022" target=3D"_blank">http://www.academicbenchmarks.org/search/?standa=
rd_id=3D20962&topic_id=3D2225022</a>) , <span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">ASN =
(<a href=3D"http://asn.jesandco.org/resources/S1143480" title=3D"http://asn=
.jesandco.org/resources/S1143480" target=3D"_blank">http://asn.jesandco.org=
/resources/S1143480</a>) </span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;color:#1f49=
7d">or any other look-up reference hosted by some system for the Common Cor=
e. </span></p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br>Joshua, I may be misinterpreting what you=
are saying, so correct me if I am.=C2=A0 I disagree <u>somewhat</u> with h=
ow you have framed this.=C2=A0 While I certainly agree that educational-aut=
hority-as-organization would be good and useful information to have availab=
le, I'd assert that the "authority" in both cases you note wo=
uld be CCSSO.=C2=A0 The "authority" for the <u>content</u> of a J=
ES&Co. data representation of a CCSSO assertion is not JES&Co.=C2=
=A0 In the ASN, this notion of organizational authority is what is call the=
"jurisdiction" or "jurisdictional authority" defined a=
s "A legal, quasi-legal, organizational or institutional domain of the=
=20
entity mandating the use of the achievement standard within a given context=
--e.g., California,=20
Singapore, NCTM."=C2=A0 CCSSO is the one who has jurisdictional author=
ity--it is the one who authored the content of the node and exercises autho=
rity over that content.=C2=A0 In this regard, I would say that organization=
s such as JES&Co., Academic Benchmarks and EdGate are data intermediari=
es that neither exercise nor assert "authority" with regard to th=
e CCSSO-authored content of the data they mediate.=C2=A0 I would even go so=
far as to assert that CCSSO is the final authority as to whether the JES&a=
mp;Co. representation is an accurate representation of its creation.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0 <br>
<br>Now, if you want to know who the data mediator is (as opposed to promul=
gator :-) that is bringing that node of CCSSO data to you or your system, t=
hat's a different matter.=C2=A0 But it is not a matter of "educati=
onal authority"...I would not think.<br>
<br>Stuart<br>=C2=A0</div></div><br><br>
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