Bins

[Paddy Duncan]

I am removing all the recycling bins from the space. Too few people know how they work.

Don't try to stop me, you will end up covered in fishy oil, mayonnaise, and milk like I am..

They will be replaced when the Oyster card access system is commissioned, and you will be allowed to use them after undergoing the appropriate training.

Paddy

[tim_n]

nasty

[Martin]

would better labeling of the bins help?

[Sam Kelly]

I suspect that if we can't manage something as simple and everyday as
putting recycling in the right bin without a label, labelling them
won't help. I think the kitchen labels have reduced the occurrence of
domestic-raege-inducing incidents in there, but they haven't
eliminated them, and recycling more or less relies on everyone getting
it right.

We may just have to give up and accept that we work in an untidy,
wasteful, unhealthy, and unsustainable pigsty. [/troll]

--
Sam Kelly, http://www.eithin.co.uk/

That's it. We're not messing around anymore, we're buying a bigger
dictionary. - Tibor Fischer, The Thought Gang.

[marc - HackTheMedia]

As 1 of the people who set up the recycling bins, I can say this has unfortunately be a real mess.

We've tried labelling the bins but the labels have been either ignored or removed. 

I think the less worst solution is going back to the 2 general waste bins.

I prefer emptying 2 times a day the bins than dealing with dirty plastic/paper bins that 

we can't actually recycle without sorting out each item.

[Tweaker]

Sad state of affairs...Probably a new generation with different conditioned values/mindset,i.e. education about global/national/local basic human issues and on how all things are interconnected might work?The current(or previous,even) doesn't seem to have "got it".And that's not a criticism of the generation as such,but rather their predecessors who let this slip.This is not an isolated hackspace thing,rather generic.I'm not an angel,but do try to"be the change you want to see".But what's the point,"if the horse doesn't want to drink the water".....?
Improvements has been made,especially in the kitchen area.Still chased cockroaches on the wall in the kitchen the other day,though!
Still have some troubleshooting on that one to do.
Perhaps that's an "unsolvable" one?

T

P.S. There's not always the separated waste stream being processed properly after collection.But rather been counted to meet targets for EU directives and continued funding,and then thrown together again and discarded the usual way.Waste is an "industry" now,where a value has become attached to it,thereby affected by profit/margin/gain/target paradigm,opening itself to corruption.Not sure where Hackney's status are on this...and probably not easy to find out,unless some investigative journo could be led to believe there's a story,and do some discreet enquiries,hmmm...
                                                                                                                                                                D.S.

On Friday, August 17, 2012 3:43:14 PM UTC+1, PaddyD wrote:

On Friday, August 17, 2012 3:43:14 PM UTC+1, PaddyD wrote:

On Friday, August 17, 2012 3:43:14 PM UTC+1, PaddyD wrote:

On Friday, August 17, 2012 3:43:14 PM UTC+1, PaddyD wrote:

[Akki]

Uh. What? Wall of Text.

Shorter summary:
Recycling only works if everyone knows that bin is definitely recycling only. The second someone screws up and throws in ONE ITEM that isn't recycling in there (or something that is questionably not recyclable) the whole concept collapses into it being a rubbish bin.

Since not everyone reads the mailing list, wiki, or even simple signage while in the Space, I have to agree with Paddy's actions. It's not working even though we have an obviously large output of glass bottles and cans which is probably the least we should be recycling.

~Akki

[marc - HackTheMedia]

Thanks for the summary Akki. 

Plus I should mention that the glass recycling container in the 2nd entrance of the Business Centre has been removed months ago for some reason, which means 

we have no easy way to recycle the club mate bottles. They go how in the general waste as the recycling container downstairs is only for paper and plastic.

So I'm up for removing the recycling bins too, though we should think of new solution (involving Arduino and LED hopefully...)

[Dylan Beattie]

> So I'm up for removing the recycling bins too, though we should think of new
> solution (involving Arduino and LED hopefully...)

Or an automatic rubbish-sorter... spectrometer, induction coil +
magnamometer, couple of mechanical arms... you throw the rubbish into
the Official Hackspace Refuse Ingestion Hopper and the machines do the
rest...

[Adrian Godwin]

Shouldn't the recycling bins upstairs exactly match the ones downstairs ?
I can't see it working otherwise.

-adrian

[Adrian Godwin]

>
> So I'm up for removing the recycling bins too, though we should think of new
> solution (involving Arduino and LED hopefully...)
>

Easy : Arduinos and LEDs go in the 3-week bin.

-adrian

[Peter "Sci" Turpin]

Downstairs.. hmm.
What if we cut a hole in the floor and put a fake bin on top of it?

[Clare Greenhalgh]

People put the wrong things in the ones downstairs too though....

I don't think it will help hugely. Sadly some people just don't care about the potentials of recycling.

Maybe we can have some that have lids, and a picture on the lid of what can go into it at some point in the future and general waste only goes into ordinary shaped bins....

This will be at a point after the current bins have gone as otherwise it will just add to the confusion I think.

Just an idea!

Noko

[Mark Steward]

How about green bin bags (so people realise they're going somewhere else, and don't have to decant the bins), and lids like these:

  http://www.homerecycling.co.uk/office-recycling-bins/60-litre-slim-jim-recycling-bin/prod_37.html

Mark

[Paddy Duncan]

Great! Get a least 2 though so pizza boxes can be stacked up on top.

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[Simon]

I have seen automatic sorters of recyclable bottles/cans in German supermarkets that had an entrance chute which then spun the bottle/can to read the original barcode and the would either reject it or direct it to the correct waste bin, crushing it on the way.  I imagine there were bins out back that were full of crushed alumium cans, steel cans, PET plastic, clear glass etc etc

The main thing getting in the way of implementing such a solution for hackspace would be access to an extensive product library of all the barcodes

[Simon]

Unfortunately I think I have to agree with Paddy on this

Use of the recycling bins does seem to have broken down - as someone said elsewhere in this thread, it only takes one bit of non-recylcable rubbish in the recycling bins to turn it into a general purpose bin :-(  It's not the odd can or bottle in the workshop bins that's the main problem.

As someone else pointed out, bis that match the bins downstairs outside would work best, and if the recycling bins have a lid on them that is labelled accordingly then it might stand a better chance of working