Plasma cutter has arrived :)

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Simon Howes

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Jun 6, 2012, 7:48:30 AM6/6/12
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I'll be lugging it to the space tonite

Mike Pountney

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Jun 6, 2012, 7:52:29 AM6/6/12
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out of interest, what model did you get, and how much for? Was it an ebay special?

Simon Howes

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Jun 6, 2012, 8:01:50 AM6/6/12
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Yeah, it was an ebay cheapie. Cant remember the make of the top of my head.
Uk supplier tho, as I didnt feel like playing silly buggers with international shipping (finally got some LEDs I ordered in October just the other day!)

I guess we'll find out how good/bad it is soon enough.
And hopefully it'll survive the ferrets clawing and scratching and pawing and using it. Hopefully.

Simon Howes

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Jun 6, 2012, 5:31:27 PM6/6/12
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Meh. And it doesnt work. Or only works if you're really smart. Gonna bitch at the guy tomorrow.  PlasmaCutter has been left in the space,  please dont mess with it.

DomK

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just wondering is it the kind that requires an air compressor to run

On Jun 6, 10:31 pm, Simon Howes <simonhowes...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Meh. And it doesnt work. Or only works if you're really smart. Gonna bitch
> at the guy tomorrow.  PlasmaCutter has been left in the space,  please dont
> mess with it.
> On Jun 6, 2012 1:01 PM, "Simon Howes" <simonhowes...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Yeah, it was an ebay cheapie. Cant remember the make of the top of my head.
> > Uk supplier tho, as I didnt feel like playing silly buggers with
> > international shipping (finally got some LEDs I ordered in October just the
> > other day!)
>
> > I guess we'll find out how good/bad it is soon enough.
> > And hopefully it'll survive the ferrets clawing and scratching and pawing
> > and using it. Hopefully.
>

Simon Howes

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Jun 7, 2012, 4:34:40 AM6/7/12
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Yup,  we had that connected.
Made us jump out of our skins everytime it autostarted while were faffing with the plasma cutters leads, connectors or the like.

Simon Howes

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Jun 8, 2012, 5:35:36 AM6/8/12
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Hidiiiiiihiiiiiiiii peeps,

Can someone be in the workshop monday PM to hand the (failPlasma cutter) to the courier who will come to collect it?
And can they drop me an email when it's collected?

I'll box it all up and leave it by the door - they're going to do a complete replacement of the whole unit.

Herpaderpaderp.
Failplasma

Charles Yarnold

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Jun 15, 2012, 6:04:42 PM6/15/12
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Can we sort out a separate phase for the plasma asap? Its use dims all lights, but more worryingly effects the lasercutter's PC and seems to be killing coolbot. 

Squiggles

Sol

Russ Garrett

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Jun 15, 2012, 6:15:53 PM6/15/12
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We can't do this without fully replacing the dist board - which will cost more than £500 :(

Nick Bradbeer

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Jun 15, 2012, 6:22:21 PM6/15/12
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It might also be worth putting an oscilloscope over a wire loop and seeing whether there's noticeable interference in the electronics bay when the plasma is running.

Nick

Charles Yarnold

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Jun 15, 2012, 6:41:27 PM6/15/12
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The 2 units are separate, so I would hope not, but can't hurt to check!

Charles Yarnold

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Jun 15, 2012, 6:43:05 PM6/15/12
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Humm, is there a cheaper way to fix this? I'm a bit worried (with no evidence to back up my feelings) if it could effect the lasercutter tube's powersupply during use and damage the tube...

Simon Howes

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Jun 15, 2012, 6:47:32 PM6/15/12
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Dont plas and lase at the same time bro

Charles Yarnold

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Jun 15, 2012, 6:56:41 PM6/15/12
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It causes the pc to stop USB from working, and kills coolbot. (it brown outs coolbot resulting in either a reset, or as it was when I came in, scrolling gibberish on the screen and not on the network) It would require people unplugging the lasercutter when plasma cutting was talking place and plugging it back in, thats something I don't particularly trust people to do correctly.

tom

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Jun 15, 2012, 7:03:34 PM6/15/12
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Dude, you have to teach me this thing properly, its AWESOME

Peter "Sci" Turpin

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Jun 15, 2012, 7:07:26 PM6/15/12
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Don't we have a bunch of seriously powerful UPS devices in the lobby?
Surely they'd do as a power buffer between mains and plasma cutter?

On 15/06/2012 23:15, Russ Garrett wrote:
> We can't do this without fully replacing the dist board - which will
> cost more than £500 :(
>
> On Jun 15, 2012 11:05 PM, "Charles Yarnold" <charles...@gmail.com
> <mailto:charles...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Can we sort out a separate phase for the plasma asap? Its use dims
> all lights, but more worryingly effects the lasercutter's PC and
> seems to be killing coolbot.
>
> Squiggles
>
> Sol
>
> On 8 June 2012 10:35, Simon Howes <simonh...@googlemail.com
> <mailto:simonh...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hidiiiiiihiiiiiiiii peeps,
>
> Can someone be in the workshop monday PM to hand the (failPlasma
> cutter) to the courier who will come to collect it?
> And can they drop me an email when it's collected?
>
> I'll box it all up and leave it by the door - they're going to
> do a complete replacement of the whole unit.
>
> Herpaderpaderp.
> Failplasma
>
> On Jun 7, 2012 9:34 AM, "Simon Howes"
> <simonh...@googlemail.com
> <mailto:simonh...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
>
> Yup, we had that connected.
> Made us jump out of our skins everytime it autostarted while
> were faffing with the plasma cutters leads, connectors or
> the like.
>
> On Jun 7, 2012 9:29 AM, "DomK" <dok...@gmail.com
> <mailto:dok...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> just wondering is it the kind that requires an air
> compressor to run
>
> On Jun 6, 10:31 pm, Simon Howes
> <simonhowes...@googlemail.com
> <mailto:simonhowes...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
> > Meh. And it doesnt work. Or only works if you're
> really smart. Gonna bitch
> > at the guy tomorrow. PlasmaCutter has been left in
> the space, please dont
> > mess with it.
> > On Jun 6, 2012 1:01 PM, "Simon Howes"
> <simonhowes...@googlemail.com
> <mailto:simonhowes...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Yeah, it was an ebay cheapie. Cant remember the
> make of the top of my head.
> > > Uk supplier tho, as I didnt feel like playing silly
> buggers with
> > > international shipping (finally got some LEDs I
> ordered in October just the
> > > other day!)
> >
> > > I guess we'll find out how good/bad it is soon enough.
> > > And hopefully it'll survive the ferrets clawing and
> scratching and pawing
> > > and using it. Hopefully.
> >
> > > On Jun 6, 2012 12:52 PM, "Mike Pountney"
> <mike.pount...@gmail.com

Simon Howes

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Jun 15, 2012, 7:07:33 PM6/15/12
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Ack. Thats not good.
I was pondering for a long time how we might get a long high-current wire to the welding/plasma area. What you said has just given me an idea: why dont we afix a lower current (regular 13amp) extension cable along the wall from the other side of the workshop (where the small lathe is) to the laser cutter?

Saves on expensive cable and circuitbreaker/distboard madness.

Russ Garrett

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Jun 15, 2012, 7:08:06 PM6/15/12
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We should try and work out if this is because of airborne or power-borne interference, somehow. If nothing else because of curiosity.

There shouldn't be that many people using the plasma cutter, though, so in the mean time let's make sure that all the plasma users are well aware of the interference issues :)

James Harrison

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Jun 15, 2012, 7:16:42 PM6/15/12
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Does anyone have a scopemeter or similar kicking about rated for mains voltage? That'd be the easy option... if not we could hire one in for <£150. If we're talking £500+ to replace the distro board, well worth finding out what's going on. I can probably bring down a pretty decent clampmeter on Monday if that'd help, but we'll need to splice some cables apart for that.

Cheers,
James Harrison



On 16/06/2012 00:08, Russ Garrett wrote:
>
> We should try and work out if this is because of airborne or power-borne interference, somehow. If nothing else because of curiosity.
>
> There shouldn't be that many people using the plasma cutter, though, so in the mean time let's make sure that all the plasma users are well aware of the interference issues :)
>
> On Jun 15, 2012 11:57 PM, "Charles Yarnold" <charles...@gmail.com <mailto:charles...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> It causes the pc to stop USB from working, and kills coolbot. (it brown outs coolbot resulting in either a reset, or as it was when I came in, scrolling gibberish on the screen and not on the network) It would require people unplugging the lasercutter when plasma cutting was talking place and plugging it back in, thats something I don't particularly trust people to do correctly.
>
> On 15 June 2012 23:47, Simon Howes <simonh...@googlemail.com <mailto:simonh...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
>
> Dont plas and lase at the same time bro
>
> On Jun 15, 2012 11:43 PM, "Charles Yarnold" <charles...@gmail.com <mailto:charles...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Humm, is there a cheaper way to fix this? I'm a bit worried (with no evidence to back up my feelings) if it could effect the lasercutter tube's powersupply during use and damage the tube...
>
> On 15 June 2012 23:15, Russ Garrett <ru...@garrett.co.uk <mailto:ru...@garrett.co.uk>> wrote:
>
> We can't do this without fully replacing the dist board - which will cost more than £500 :(
>
> On Jun 15, 2012 11:05 PM, "Charles Yarnold" <charles...@gmail.com <mailto:charles...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Can we sort out a separate phase for the plasma asap? Its use dims all lights, but more worryingly effects the lasercutter's PC and seems to be killing coolbot.
>
> Squiggles
>
> Sol
>
> On 8 June 2012 10:35, Simon Howes <simonh...@googlemail.com <mailto:simonh...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hidiiiiiihiiiiiiiii peeps,
>
> Can someone be in the workshop monday PM to hand the (failPlasma cutter) to the courier who will come to collect it?
> And can they drop me an email when it's collected?
>
> I'll box it all up and leave it by the door - they're going to do a complete replacement of the whole unit.
>
> Herpaderpaderp.
> Failplasma
>
> On Jun 7, 2012 9:34 AM, "Simon Howes" <simonh...@googlemail.com <mailto:simonh...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
>
> Yup, we had that connected.
> Made us jump out of our skins everytime it autostarted while were faffing with the plasma cutters leads, connectors or the like.
>
> On Jun 7, 2012 9:29 AM, "DomK" <dok...@gmail.com <mailto:dok...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> just wondering is it the kind that requires an air compressor to run
>
> On Jun 6, 10:31 pm, Simon Howes <simonhowes...@googlemail.com <mailto:simonhowes...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
> > Meh. And it doesnt work. Or only works if you're really smart. Gonna bitch
> > at the guy tomorrow. PlasmaCutter has been left in the space, please dont
> > mess with it.
> > On Jun 6, 2012 1:01 PM, "Simon Howes" <simonhowes...@googlemail.com <mailto:simonhowes...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Yeah, it was an ebay cheapie. Cant remember the make of the top of my head.
> > > Uk supplier tho, as I didnt feel like playing silly buggers with
> > > international shipping (finally got some LEDs I ordered in October just the
> > > other day!)
> >
> > > I guess we'll find out how good/bad it is soon enough.
> > > And hopefully it'll survive the ferrets clawing and scratching and pawing
> > > and using it. Hopefully.
> >
> > > On Jun 6, 2012 12:52 PM, "Mike Pountney" <mike.pount...@gmail.com <mailto:mike.pount...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > >> out of interest, what model did you get, and how much for? Was it an ebay
> > >> special?
> >
> > >> On 6 Jun 2012, at 12:48, Simon Howes wrote:
> >
> > >> I'll be lugging it to the space tonite
>
>
>
>

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Simon Howes

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Jun 15, 2012, 7:18:23 PM6/15/12
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Hmm. Also, we could probably also replace the deathtrap socket next to the laser cutter (the faceplate hangs at an angle and you can touch live wires inside) with a proper socket for the high current plasma.

Trying to look online if one could be found that was also key-lockable. Hate to have to give the safety-bear talk but we're prolly gonna want to restrict access to the plasm0r to peeps that have been trained. Its not very difficult to use, but the type of damage you can do yourself/others is pretty high up there on the list when you have a machine that can effortlessly slice 1/2" steel.

Any ideas on connectors? Maybe we could make a little plastic cover with a lock that covers the socket and afix a sticker regarding training?

James Harrison

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Jun 15, 2012, 7:20:48 PM6/15/12
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Sodding great big relay and an ACnode in a box inline with the socket? Replacing the socket sounds like an idea if we're going to end up revamping that area's power distro.

Cheers,
James Harrison



On 16/06/2012 00:18, Simon Howes wrote:
>
> Hmm. Also, we could probably also replace the deathtrap socket next to the laser cutter (the faceplate hangs at an angle and you can touch live wires inside) with a proper socket for the high current plasma.
>
> Trying to look online if one could be found that was also key-lockable. Hate to have to give the safety-bear talk but we're prolly gonna want to restrict access to the plasm0r to peeps that have been trained. Its not very difficult to use, but the type of damage you can do yourself/others is pretty high up there on the list when you have a machine that can effortlessly slice 1/2" steel.
>
> Any ideas on connectors? Maybe we could make a little plastic cover with a lock that covers the socket and afix a sticker regarding training?
>
> On Jun 16, 2012 12:08 AM, "Russ Garrett" <ru...@garrett.co.uk <mailto:ru...@garrett.co.uk>> wrote:
>
> We should try and work out if this is because of airborne or power-borne interference, somehow. If nothing else because of curiosity.
>
> There shouldn't be that many people using the plasma cutter, though, so in the mean time let's make sure that all the plasma users are well aware of the interference issues :)
>
> On Jun 15, 2012 11:57 PM, "Charles Yarnold" <charles...@gmail.com <mailto:charles...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> It causes the pc to stop USB from working, and kills coolbot. (it brown outs coolbot resulting in either a reset, or as it was when I came in, scrolling gibberish on the screen and not on the network) It would require people unplugging the lasercutter when plasma cutting was talking place and plugging it back in, thats something I don't particularly trust people to do correctly.
>
> On 15 June 2012 23:47, Simon Howes <simonh...@googlemail.com <mailto:simonh...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
>
> Dont plas and lase at the same time bro
>
> On Jun 15, 2012 11:43 PM, "Charles Yarnold" <charles...@gmail.com <mailto:charles...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Humm, is there a cheaper way to fix this? I'm a bit worried (with no evidence to back up my feelings) if it could effect the lasercutter tube's powersupply during use and damage the tube...
>
> On 15 June 2012 23:15, Russ Garrett <ru...@garrett.co.uk <mailto:ru...@garrett.co.uk>> wrote:
>
> We can't do this without fully replacing the dist board - which will cost more than £500 :(
>
> On Jun 15, 2012 11:05 PM, "Charles Yarnold" <charles...@gmail.com <mailto:charles...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Can we sort out a separate phase for the plasma asap? Its use dims all lights, but more worryingly effects the lasercutter's PC and seems to be killing coolbot.
>
> Squiggles
>
> Sol
>
> On 8 June 2012 10:35, Simon Howes <simonh...@googlemail.com <mailto:simonh...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hidiiiiiihiiiiiiiii peeps,
>
> Can someone be in the workshop monday PM to hand the (failPlasma cutter) to the courier who will come to collect it?
> And can they drop me an email when it's collected?
>
> I'll box it all up and leave it by the door - they're going to do a complete replacement of the whole unit.
>
> Herpaderpaderp.
> Failplasma
>
> On Jun 7, 2012 9:34 AM, "Simon Howes" <simonh...@googlemail.com <mailto:simonh...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
>
> Yup, we had that connected.
> Made us jump out of our skins everytime it autostarted while were faffing with the plasma cutters leads, connectors or the like.
>
> On Jun 7, 2012 9:29 AM, "DomK" <dok...@gmail.com <mailto:dok...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> just wondering is it the kind that requires an air compressor to run
>
> On Jun 6, 10:31 pm, Simon Howes <simonhowes...@googlemail.com <mailto:simonhowes...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
> > Meh. And it doesnt work. Or only works if you're really smart. Gonna bitch
> > at the guy tomorrow. PlasmaCutter has been left in the space, please dont
> > mess with it.
> > On Jun 6, 2012 1:01 PM, "Simon Howes" <simonhowes...@googlemail.com <mailto:simonhowes...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Yeah, it was an ebay cheapie. Cant remember the make of the top of my head.
> > > Uk supplier tho, as I didnt feel like playing silly buggers with
> > > international shipping (finally got some LEDs I ordered in October just the
> > > other day!)
> >
> > > I guess we'll find out how good/bad it is soon enough.
> > > And hopefully it'll survive the ferrets clawing and scratching and pawing
> > > and using it. Hopefully.
> >
> > > On Jun 6, 2012 12:52 PM, "Mike Pountney" <mike.pount...@gmail.com <mailto:mike.pount...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > >> out of interest, what model did you get, and how much for? Was it an ebay
> > >> special?
> >
> > >> On 6 Jun 2012, at 12:48, Simon Howes wrote:
> >
> > >> I'll be lugging it to the space tonite
>
>
>
>

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Paddy Duncan

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Jun 16, 2012, 3:10:38 AM6/16/12
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It can have its own 32a spur as wires already go there, I think I said before..

It requires finding a suitable backwards compatible breaker for the dist box.

And it could have a lockable C-form socket on the end.

But.. a lot of the interference is bound to be air-borne, being an arc thing, so may not help much.

The cheap way to put the lasercutter on another phase of course is to move it out of the workshop..

Paddy

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Adrian Godwin

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Jun 16, 2012, 11:10:58 AM6/16/12
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I have a few high current contactors that could be used to provide a
3-phase AC-node controlled outlet. In fact, there's probably something
suitable on the fake switch panel by the kitchen door.

Coolbot can probably be fixed - I suspect it just needs a better
quality power supply to stop it browning out, and maybe some filtering
on any long wires (like the temp sensors). This is a useful exercise
EMC awareness and well worth doing. Also a good opportunity to get a
watchdog working properly on it.

I think I've got a line-regulating transformer somewhere that might
sort out the PC - but if it's losing USB, the chances are it's picking
up some rubbish on the USB wiring and doesn't like it. USB is a
desktop bus, not a machine bus. Make sure it hasn't got any extender
cables, hubs etc. between PC and any peripherals.

I do support moving the laser cutter. I think the workshop is far too
dirty for it these days. Have a look at the PCB tank - it was fairly
filthy for months because users are too lazy to clean it up, but it's
now got a black coating over everything, probably from welding fumes.
It's worst, because it's nearest, but the laser cuter isn't much
further away.

Put the lasercutter in the quiet room and keep the materials in the
workshop - it might be easier to keep tidy that way.

-adrian

James Harrison

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Jun 16, 2012, 7:37:21 PM6/16/12
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+1 to moving the cutter. Not sure about the quiet room though, but
unsure where else it could go.

Cheers,
James Harrison
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Peter "Sci" Turpin

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Jun 16, 2012, 10:47:07 PM6/16/12
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When I went to leave tonight found some arc and TIG welding cables left
of one of the workbenches with some pouches. Presumed they were for the
new plasma machine (didn't know it was multi-purpose!).
I put them on the welding table.

By the by.. using a projector screen as a welding screen?? WTF??
Seriously, even if we don't partition off the whole area, please let's
get those proper welding curtains before someone's blinded or something
catches on fire.

Adrian Godwin

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Jun 17, 2012, 4:08:09 AM6/17/12
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On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 3:47 AM, Peter "Sci" Turpin <s...@sci-fi-fox.com> wrote:

> By the by.. using a projector screen as a welding screen?? WTF?? Seriously,
> even if we don't partition off the whole area, please let's get those proper
> welding curtains before someone's blinded or something catches on fire.
>

Yes, I put the screen up once, some time back, to supplement the doors
(which are too low) when someone was welding on a tuesday night. It
was separated from the welding by the wooden doors and some distance
away, so only blocking excessive flash.

However, it seems now to be in use regularly, much closer to the
welder. It's really not suitable for that.

-adrian

Filthy hipster scum

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Simon Howes

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This looks like a lovely mill/lathe project.
I might knock this up when I'm done with my dancing rig...

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