Quiet Room bookings?

[David Sullivan]

There's a regular event that normally takes up the entire quiet room and seems like a de facto booking of the Quiet Room.

Is it reasonable to have to work round people who have decided to use three of the tables and remain in there during the event who seem to have set up their own "mini-event"?

Sully.

[Akki]

Also no where is there proper rules on this.

I think it's all informal etiquette which is a serious oversight given the hackspace membership numbers these days.

MOAR DISCUSSION ON THIS TOPIC PLS

~Akki

[Russ Garrett]

On 13 October 2012 21:32, Akki <beloved...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Also no where is there proper rules on this.

This page is the de facto policy for running events:

http://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/Guides/Planning_an_event

How do we go about making it more obvious to people?

--
Russ Garrett
ru...@garrett.co.uk

[Charles Yarnold]

During gadget geeks viewings, as the organiser I would put up signs before the time of the viewings reminding about the booking. When the time came I spoke to those in the room and explained what was happening and that it may be better to work in the other room.

Not all bookings need the whole room, but some do and should have no problems in asking those not involved to leave the room. All events have a organiser and I think this should be down to them to police.

Sol

[pad...@padski.co.uk]

What happened when they were asked to leave?
Paddy

Sent from my thing.

[David Sullivan]

On Saturday, 13 October 2012 22:06:25 UTC+1, PaddyD wrote:

What happened when they were asked to leave?

I wasn't the organizer but I believe they were politely asked if they were planning on staying. It started off quiet then ended up with a couple of people having to be in the main room instead. The lockpicking is a regular event but it's not actually shown as "quiet room booked" but it's always seemed like a defacto monthly booking,

I was largely wondering where it stands with it being a "proper" quiet room booking that everyone should be absolutely aware of and whether I can/have to be more forceful with people saying "Look, we really will need this space"

Sully.

[Charles Yarnold]

Its on the wiki events list, has its own wiki page and is on the event calender. I would say your within your rights to ask those not involved with the event to leave the room. (and to name and shame should they refuse)

Just to be clear, I don't think its just the organisers right to do this, just that its their responsibility to remind those in there about the event :)

Sol

[John Naughton]

I run the lockpicking workshop and I am did have a chat with the guys in there the room although at no point did I ask them to leave, just made it clear we were having a workshop. Idealy we would have the room for people attending the workshop only but I dont ask people to leave becase in general they are paid up members of the space where as many people taking part in the workshop are not. 

Because of that I would not feel comfortable ever asking members to move so I can accomadate non members, that being said its rare we dont fill that room so anyone that is working in there will have a hard time concentrating as its get overheated and noisey.

[tom]

>> How do we go about making it more obvious to people? 

Cast it into an aluminium knuckleduster and punch it into their faces?

*ahem*

What happened to the cheap android tablets that mark had for mounting on the quiet room doorframe as a "this room is booked for. XXX" sign?

[Akki]

There's enough paper and pens/markers and even enough tape at the moment to post signs if necessary. Apparently it is necessary.

[Russ Garrett]

I actually don't see any issue here. John didn't ask anyone to leave,
so nobody left. No need to make drama out of it.

All this complaining about people getting in each others' way is just
distracting us from the broader problem of there not being enough
space. Let's deal with the cause, and not get bogged down with the
symptoms.

--
Russ Garrett
ru...@garrett.co.uk

[Akki]

There's a bigger social problem here.

No one feels comfortable asking people to leave when they're in the right to do so politely.

It's not just a physical space issue.

~Akki

[Russ Garrett]

On 15 October 2012 10:45, Akki <beloved...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There's a bigger social problem here.
>
> No one feels comfortable asking people to leave when they're in the right to
> do so politely.

Is that a problem with the space? Or is that just a general problem
with some geeks being slightly socially awkward?

Furthermore, I didn't read John's email to mean that he didn't feel
able to ask people to leave, just that he didn't want to deprive
members of the use of the space in favour of a mostly non-member
activity. This is the kind of conflict which we shouldn't have to deal
with. It means we've outgrown the space.

--
Russ Garrett
ru...@garrett.co.uk

[tom]

a non member activity that actually got me into the space in the first place :) Oh not to mention that the activity they were partaking in was also a non-member activity...

If mark tells me where the tablets are I'll try knocking up a mount for them to stick them on the quiet room entrance. 

[Adrian Godwin]

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Russ Garrett <ru...@garrett.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Is that a problem with the space? Or is that just a general problem
> with some geeks being slightly socially awkward?
>

I think it's mostly a problem with being english.

We expect the other party to recognise the conflict and politely leave
without being asked. It tends not to work if one side doesn't see
that there's any conflict, though.

-adrian

[Mark Steward]

In my box, I fink.

[tom]

i can haz fiddle?

[Nigel Worsley]

> If mark tells me where the tablets are I'll try knocking up a mount for them

Industrial velcro!

Nigle

[tom]

nah, some sort of laser cut clear perspex arm system, if its nicely made people might make an effort to keep it nice :)

[Fuxy]

I don't see the problem here members are allowed to sit in on all workshops/events for free so as long as you explaint to all the people in the room what's about to happen it should be fine.

If they are bothered they are welcome to go to the next room and do their work there.

[David Sullivan]

On Wednesday, 17 October 2012 16:59:43 UTC+1, Fuxy wrote:

I don't see the problem here members are allowed to sit in on all workshops/events for free so as long as you explaint to all the people in the room what's about to happen it should be fine.

If they are bothered they are welcome to go to the next room and do their work there.

It's not about super sekrit meetings and disturbing them in this case, it's about the room being so busy and hot you can barely hold a cat up, let alone bounce it off anyone.

Sully.

[Charles Yarnold]

On 17 October 2012 16:59, Fuxy <ciu...@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't see the problem here members are allowed to sit in on all workshops/events for free so as long as you explaint to all the people in the room what's about to happen it should be fine.

If they are bothered they are welcome to go to the next room and do their work there.

Actually this isn't the case, small fee's can be charged for workshops, being a member doesn't remove you from this. But as Sully said, this ins't the point in this case.