Received: by 10.204.4.211 with SMTP id 19mr363117bks.5.1348750435723; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 05:53:55 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: london-hack-space@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.205.130.9 with SMTP id hk9ls1792707bkc.7.gmail; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 05:53:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.15.209 with SMTP id l17mr362219bka.6.1348750431330; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 05:53:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.15.209 with SMTP id l17mr362218bka.6.1348750431309; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 05:53:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mail-bk0-f49.google.com (mail-bk0-f49.google.com [209.85.214.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k7si552486bks.2.2012.09.27.05.53.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 27 Sep 2012 05:53:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.214.49 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of r...@garrett.co.uk) client-ip=209.85.214.49; Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.214.49 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of r...@garrett.co.uk) smtp.mail=r...@garrett.co.uk; dkim=pass header...@garrett.co.uk Received: by mail-bk0-f49.google.com with SMTP id j4so1597371bkw.36 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 05:53:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=garrett.co.uk; s=google; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=wu8HFWu2oKUgyhqVZHSeLi76uhRG2GYJSk8EZApjSxw=; b=LTgTQNMG+XcnAjqLLvLmMMKCZtjymNH0GGQnBslHDnH2VUbipQfLeIkb5O9KoLfD0x jjFJeGkqHvqZ71ILd4AvHVYrtxO8OwY37xnCTwFg6UeW2PMVHO+jAZ9h3Ka7Dn33htTP H8jr4qJuGZ5dcSuPeLKNsJKJlEkW4NlXysFvQ= d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=wu8HFWu2oKUgyhqVZHSeLi76uhRG2GYJSk8EZApjSxw=; b=A+CHgLQsVni5Pp+nh5+CoOGi6J5Mfjpt8M8n/qzCdnQ0pqqwIZx+vD0op5+8JnYP88 ZYxnp99buWgM0eAwX82iKgRQ1X8ZIPWhi5V/CbWuov6p0rVQ6+KNFtGTtNKdUwEiCHtC deG5gIrB6imbEWkROiBO4RnYItuHXCy87Z698lwjF/6pcRzh2czmJMQgYiJqZcA3agpU Y2zMqG6Tk2PcJhT4vXVJ8rGSFngy7BoOYx0dSjh3+KqqI5blRvgCPdY9zwU4iROIgP5V zQEQTZAODtN0aaGkj4wMBtnPcHridNaS2CXDGomm7jBnrmXkQGijZvaLa+4rQzhWLR2b 62Vg== Received: by 10.112.26.10 with SMTP id h10mr1583028lbg.4.1348750431017; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 05:53:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.145.197 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Sep 2012 05:53:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [128.127.31.17] In-Reply-To: <93b9b6fe-88f1-489f-af4c-bfd194e482ee@googlegroups.com> References: <20120926182323.GG4...@csits.net> <93b9b6fe-88f1-489f-af4c-bfd194e482ee@googlegroups.com> From: Russ Garrett Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 13:53:30 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [london-hack-space] Re: Could London HackSpace purchase the Kingsway Telephone Exchange? To: london-hack-space@googlegroups.com Cc: hacksp...@norgie.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlkUuIgglZ8NBsYnvHRCIzNYT4XdfkeDOC54zzFm7/VvGujLuRpewvLNyOkUbCecauJLYjJ How about we forego making complex legal structures until we find somewhere where this is actually feasible? Russ On 27 September 2012 13:00, Steve Kelly wrote: > Hows about, > > A charitable trust is set uneqivalently unattached to the london Hackspace, > members of London Hackspace then bequeath a certain sum of money which is > tax free (to us as a donation).The amount bequeathed gives us the 25% > deposit needed for the purchace of suitable premises which is then rented to > London Hackspace at a rent equal to the mortgage repayments. Its charitable > aim could be amongst others to provide free space to 1 or 2 business > startups with the proviso that they take on a local apprentice or provide an > internship. > > The only caveat I can see with this is we will attract donations from > others.Would we accept 'fat cat' donations? er, lets see now, Yes! > Any excess monies bequeathed to the trust by others could be used to help > out other hackspaces around the country purchase their own premises so long > as they abide by the ethos of the trust. > > A trust could be set up tomorrow,appoint temporary trustees, until voted in > and set up a bank account and see what we can raise from our membership and > take it from there. If it doesn't work out we simple BACS the donations, end > of and we carry on renting. > > 'The trust will be able to take advantage of many tax benefits. Apart > from the tax relief on your own donations to the trust, it will not pay tax > on its investment income. It will not pay corporation tax or inheritance > tax, or business rates (there is mandatory relief against business rates at > 80% and a further 20% on a discretionary basis) if it eventually runs its > own office. Also the trust will not have to register for VAT, unless it is > supplying a significant amount of products or services that are subject to > VAT. This is unlikely if it is simply making grants to other charitable > organisations.' -- Russ Garrett r...@garrett.co.uk